>evangelical
>Atheist

Wut?

I guess retards think they're edgy for watching this shit.

People like to hear what they already know. It's a validation circle jerk.

>>5576768
Because two magicians think their opinions matter and it gives Libertarians a chance to say, "See? We're right."

>>5576797
So this show is the same as TheAmazingAtheist's crap?

>evangelical
>Atheist
Murphy we got a problem.

>>5576797
>>5576797
>>5576797
>>5576797

>my girl
>evangelical Atheist

This thread is even bigger bullshit than Penn & Teller's show.

IT'S BECAUSE THEY CUSS AND THERE'S TITS!

>>5576788
>>5576806
Evangelical meaning zealous, guys.

No more greentext+reaction samefagging, alright? Look it up and stop shitting up the thread.

It's pretty entertaining and informative and seeing these guys make fun of annoying people doesn't get old.

>>5576797
pretty much

>>5576797
>Implying Americans actually know the obvious which is why we need these shows to educate the dumb masses.

people are fucking retarded and actually believe a magician and his dummy

>>5576816
Evangelicals is a group of religious fanatics you idiot. Learn the fuck moar.

>>5576816
>no

you know, they do basically admit THIS IS JUST US YELLING ABOUT OUR OPINIONS FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF ENTERTAINMENT, yet everyone bitches as if they're trying to be scientists or some shit. seeing people take easy shots at dumb/annoying people is entertaining. watching penn be an asshole is entertaining. ENTERTAINMENT!

>>5576797
Yes, that is true, but only if the person is agreeing with their opinion. Otherwise, it's good for the opposing or neutral side to see what they have to argue. For instance, I was neutral on the topic of recycling, but after watching their episode on recycling, I have sided with them.

>>5576768
It's kind of like Michael Moore. He ties everything up into a little bow and gives answers supported by 'facts'. They just take complex questions and give easy answers

>>5576857
Isn't that going to be their final episode?
The Bullshit of Bullshit?

for as different as my concept of 'god' is from that of the judeo-christian view, even I get sick and tired of how any medium penn is on he likes to rant about how "how there is no god". any fucking thing he's in that's all he says over and over and over, ad infinitum

>>5576857
Sadly, I know some people who have become hardcore libertarians because of this show

Now look, I'm as much of a rational atheist as they come, but these guys piss me off. Through careful editing, ad hominems, straw men, selective facts and a condescending tone, you can make any concept/group look stupid. This show is nothing more than political propaganda to push their "libertarian" views. It's like irl South Park.

>>5576768
>evangelical atheist

>>5576934
>Implying you need to hear the other side's argument despite the fact it's all over the place.
You're just butthurt because they proved you wrong. I bet you're not even an atheist. Eat shit.

itt butthurt

Your girlfriend sounds like she is very suggestible.

>>5576934

But they often admit that they don't have the answers. In fact, all the time.

They just like to point out that these people are idiots. Which they often are.

An example would be the porn episode where those women were claiming that porn predisposes men to rape. Penn and Teller refuted their claim and then proceeded to point out that there was really no evidence either way. And their insistence that there was was idiotic.

>>5576902
>I'm a nigger lover who refuses to admit this country would be far better off with Ron Paul than the nigger we have now.

>>5576973
(OP) What does evangelical mean douche?

She's not suggestible, she was hard headed and refused to believe anything that she deemed untrue.

However, this show did the impossible and actually changed her beliefs and now she always picks shit out as being bullshit even in fiction. It's annoying.

>>5576974
This.

That's what I enjoy about it. They sometimes come out and totally destroy things, like the lie detector, but with some subjects they pretty much say "both sides can be made to look like idiots, very few people who talk on it are armed with all the facts, we don't have them, you don't have them, so why take sides?"

>evangelical atheist

Hey, Teller, lets go interview random people on the street and ask them questions about complicated and extremely broad issues like the environment, welfare and the free market and whenever someone gives an uneducated or naive answer, we'll put it in our show and without giving them a chance to respond, refute them in a condescending way to prove how dumb liberals are. We'll just edit out all the educated people's responses and we won't bother asking experts/scientists/professors about the subjects we discuss.

>turn on the Penn & Teller show
>wait
>wait
> the show ends
>no magic

>>5576996
Not even P&T supports Ron Paul, wtf? Wait, do they support them?

>evangelical atheist

You or your girlfriend need to die.

>>5577024
They also mentioned a Michael Moore edit and said they don't do that shit there. Seeing as this was brought up earlier in the thread.

>>5577037
>we won't bother asking experts/scientists/professors about the subjects we discuss
Except, you know, they have scientists and doctors appear on the show.

>>5577043
Penn made a whole bunch of video blog things about the election season and he almost never mentioned Ron Paul, and I don't recall him ever mentioning Libertarian Party candidates. He only talked about how he hated all of the major candidates - I only heard him mention Ron Paul once and he seemed to support him.

>>5577037
>We'll just edit out all the educated people's responses and we won't bother asking experts/scientists/professors about the subjects we discuss.
No, they don't edit those out. The show uses those people on their side of the argument.

>>5577037
........ ~Teller

>>5577037

They interview "experts" all the time. I use quotation marks because it is debatable whether or not these people should be labelled experts on anything, but they aren't people from the street.

In all honesty, what they do is no different from Michael Moore or most anyone who is making documentaries nowadays.

Except Louis Theroux. And that's because he offers no opinion whatsoever in any of his shows.

>>5577037
>without giving them a chance to respond
Those people are interviewed, which means they are asked questions and given a chance to respond. The only thing Penn and Teller do is make fun of their responses.

>>5577085
Didn't he also say he has never seen an episode of Bullshit because he never reads anything with his name in it or watches himself on television? Also wtf? An Atheist supports an extremists Christfag?

>>5577084
>Except, you know, they have scientists and doctors appear on the show.
Who all work for the Cato Institute.

Shits entertaining. That's why I watch it.

Does Teller ever fucking talk?!!!

>>5577037
Next time, you should actually watch the show before you blurt out an ignorant response.

>>5577118
>In all honesty, what they do is no different from Michael Moore or most anyone who is making documentaries nowadays.

Well, I agree with you there.

>>5577124
They also make it abundantly clear which position they will be taking on the issue before the interviewees sign the waiver.

You want proof that there is no God?

Men could achieve orgasm in two minutes while it takes woman twenty.

>>5577085

Penn's video blog about Rapelay was the most intelligent commentary on the whole situation I have seen.

This stupid argument always comes up in these threads.

As has been said a hundred times, the people that agree to come on the show know full well what type of show it is. They have their own idiocy to blame for... well looking like idiots.

Also, they don't try to make anyone believe in anything. They just like proving stupid people wrong and leave it at that. And its entertaining.

Why is Penn trying to play-god and be a fictional Jesus?

>>5577177
I know exactly which one you're talking about and I agree completely.

ITT butthurt Christfags

>>5577185
>the people that agree to come on the show know full well what type of show it is.

How do you know? It doesn't seem like it

they totally burned those DOLPHIN ASSISTED CHILDBIRTH people

get the word out about a dangerous practice, while showing off your doctor assisted childbirth acumen

brilliant show

>>5577214
Because it came up in an early episode and they explained it.

It's entertaining the same way watching Bill Oreilly and Glenn Beck is. Oh and Olberman. Lol at distorted realities

I'm an evangelical evangelionists.

>>5576797
>>5576805

yes and yes

Your "girl" is a a dumb cunt if she has ever used the phrase evangelical athiest.

I think their best job was finding out that PETA buys industrial freezers and released an obscure press release that stated that sometimes the most human thing to do to animals is to euthanize them (aka the same shit they scream at local pounds for doing).

>>5577904
>Implying that Atheists can't be evangelical.

/co/ uses this phase regularly not to mention Sir Richard Dawkins is an evangelical.

>>5577992

"evangelical atheism" can't really mean anything more than "trying to convince other people atheism is the correct belief", in which case you could apply evangelical to almost anything (liberal, conservative, furry, /b/tard, etc).

"evangelical Christian" means something more than just that, it is more particular in terms of belief and behavior.

penn and teller both work for the cato institute, which is a front for corporations including Exxon Mobil. they are paid propagandists, nothing more

it's a shame because they were brilliant in the 80s. they are nothing but pathetic sellouts now

>>5578035
That is the sense in which it was used, and you can apply it to anything.

Product evangelist for Microsoft from 2001-2002 here, btw.

>evangelical Atheist

How is it 'good news' that we are not loved by an omnipotent being and that when we die; we just rot in the ground?

>>5577919
and that one of the VP's uses medicine derived from animal research, and validates it with "The ends justify the means"

>>5577992

Evangelicalism is a Protestant Christian movement.

>The term evangelical has its etymological roots in the Greek word for "gospel" or "good news": ευαγγελιον (evangelion), from eu- "good" and angelion "message."

>>5578035
Congratulation, you just discovered that the term doesn't belong to any one word.

Also, it still holds the same meaning for Christians as well dummyhead.

>>5578063

Only hippy-faggots like you(for example) rot in the ground, warriors and drunken madmen like me go to Valhalla.

>>5576788
>>5576806
>>5576811
>>5576954
>>5577025
>>5577059
>>5577904
All of you are idiots.

>>5578092
Let's go bash some niggers and gays for being the way they were when they were born.

>>5578092
ODHINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!

>>5578137

Go to bed, OP.

>>5578063
saves you time

>>5578142

Infantile and stupid, without any kind of real self-awareness?

I like when they swear about crazy people

Anyone against this show is just mad.

the shows format is simple
>get the dumbest person on the side of the opposing argument
>get the smartest scientist we could find for our argument
thats how they make it seem like their opinion is better

>>5577214
because the show is entitled "bullshit"

>>5578181
Because you know, it's so easy doing a reverse situation where the dumb side hardly has any smart people.

>this thread

>>5578137

Evangelicalism is, as has been pointed out before in this topic, a Christian movement.

While you can be an Evangelist of Microsoft's products or an Evangelist of Gay Rights, being Evangelical implies something completely different. Which is membership to said Christian denomination.

This is really quite basic. I hope OP's first language isn't English.

>>5578214
i could give examples of smart people, name an episode

>>5578181
>porn predisposes men to rape
>watching lots of porn will eventually lead to watching child porn
>guns are awesome, but shooting games are wrong in teaching kids that shooting is fun

What is the intelligent side to these arguments?

Penn & Teller attack unfounded beliefs. You'd be surprised how many people believe shit like that. The whole point of the show is to attack stupid and unfounded arguments.

>>5578181
They interviewed and argued against Noam Chomsky. They frequently go with qualified interviewees with a somewhat-devoted following as their opposition.

>>5578268
in the death penalty episode they have the father of polly klaas who said the death penalty wouldve prevented the murder of their daughter and all penn could say is
>i dont know what this guy could be going through

>>5578314

I'm sorry, but without the context, that means nothing to me.

>>5578268
....with unfounded and almost equally stupid arguments...

I like this show but sometimes it is offensive. They cherry-pick their information to provide a heavily biased view -- something they freely admit to doing, I mean fuck it is their show after all.

For the most part Penn & Teller have pretty cool, liberal viewpoints about the world. But some of their stuff like legalizing drugs and prostitution was fucked up IMO, and they deliberately stayed away from the 'reality' of those things and focused on sort of a fantasy viewpoint that is true in some places, but not for the majority of America.

Their bashing of people who see Mary in a piece of toast or wood grain panel was fucking priceless.

I love the show but the one episode which bothered me most was Immigration. I felt like they completely missed the point of why people are opposed to illegal immigration. They didn't even MENTION public services.

>>5578379
You do understand that it's so great in those places because it's legal and regulated right? It sucks everywhere else because it isn't.

>>5578345
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAz3gpqi7Rg

jump to 3:30

>>5578379
Dumbass detected.

>>5578379

What are you saying? Prostitution is legal in Australia and I am sure it is better for the country than the US's stance.

Not the least from the male perspective. The whores have to at least be hot to have a chance. Plus they are taken care of and catered for in brothels. Not beaten around and ripped off by pimps.

it's a 30 minute commercial for cato's funders:

* Altria (the report identifies Altria Corporate Services as the contributor)
* American Petroleum Institute
* Amerisure Companies
* Amgen
* Chicago Mercantile Exchange
* Comcast Corporation
* Consumer Electronic Association
* Ebay Inc
* ExxonMobil
* FedEx Corporation
* Freedom Communications
* General Motors
* Honda North America
* Korea International Trade Association
* Microsoft
* National Association of Software and Service Companies
* Pepco Holdings Inc.
* R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company
* TimeWarner
* Toyota Motor Corporation
* UST Inc
* Verisign
* Verizon Communications
* Visa USA Inc
* Volkswagen of America
* Wal-Mart Stores
* Castle Rock Foundation (Formerly Coors Foundation)
* Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation
* Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation
* Earhart Foundation
* JM Foundation
* John M. Olin Foundation, Inc.
* Koch Family Foundations
* Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation
* Scaife Foundations (Sarah Mellon Scaife, Carthage)

hardcore right wing propagandists all

>>5578417
Because correlation = causation.

>>5578379
Because you know, there are girls who want this profession that you are depriving them of, plus many of them work without "pimps" (lol) and set their own hours as that one lady said in the episode. You're just a retard who needs to be burnt at the stake.

I have your IP address by the way.

>>5578438
penn thinks killing a convicted felon murderer is the same as killing an innocent person

Anyone who hates this show is a dumbass and butthurt that they've been proven wrong.

Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw = EPIC!

>>5578057

This.

They also work with the Hudson Institute. They prompted Penn & Teller to make the pro-GMO episode.

>>5578599
anyone who likes this show is a dumbass who doesn't recognize propaganda and stupid fallacious arguments

>>5578549
It doesn't matter retard, you're still killing a human being. Oh wait, you're still protesting on stopping the murder of babies.

>>5578643
>Butthurt

Sorry you can't point out the obvious, are you the villain of the captain?

>>5578656
I wonder what it's like to be an innocent man on death row. Is it a nightmare? Would you even put up a fight?

>>5578656
oh great a bleeding heat liberal
yes it does matter do you know how many murderers in prison can still order hits inside and outside of the prison?

>>5578710
WOW! Way to change the subject there guy.

>>5578710
How do you know he didn't know anyone who was murder faggot?

>>5578643

The thing is, who gives a shit?

The harsh truth is that in journalism, documentary, news, etc, there is usually a bias. It's all essentially propaganda, just that some are more subtle than others.

It's just a case of whether you agree with them or not.

>>5578724
Welcome to the Conservatives World!

>>5578710
>I can't answer this without changing the topic.

I watch this show when I'm feeling grouchy and want to feel superior.

I know it's flawed and their arguments are often full of holes but sometimes I just want to see some dumbasses get made fun of.

>>5578750
>It's just a case of whether you agree with them or not.

And agree with the wrong party would make one a retard and labeled a retard.

>>5578724
how? Richard Davis influences people while on the inside, what if he kills a guard while hes on death row?

>>5578710
^isnt a conservative

>I always fucking hear about it from my girl

BULLSHIT!

>>5578765
Still trying to say that a murder justifies deathrow when we're past the sentencing phase huh? It won't matter, he's already on deathrow, but he should have been locked up in some cellar in the prison where only the experienced guards would come by and drop food down the slot of his cell door.

>>5578750
you're an idiot

there's a huge difference between propaganda (like Bullshit!), biased but accurate reporting, and objective documentary filmmaking. if you really can't tell the difference you're a fucking moron.

>>5578792
>should have been locked up in some cellar in the prison where only the experienced guards would come by and drop food down the slot of his cell door

thats what death row is

>>5578797
Michael Moore supporter detected.

>>5578824
Then what is the fucking point of the death part? That's torture enough and death is too good for them.

>>5576805
TAA is a faggot on a whole other level. At least this shit can be entertaining.

>>5578879
michael moore is annoying and biased but as far as i can tell he doesn't outright lie, and he isn't paid by corporations to pretend to have opinions