MAKE FILM DENOUNCING CAPITALISM
EARN MILLIONS

Don't be that guy. There are plenty of sites out there that break down inaccuracies and his manipulation tactics are front and center. I agree with the guy on most issues but he's a left wing Bill O'Reilly and is rightfully mocked.

>>5415214
HAVE NO IDEA WHAT CAPITALISM IS
TALK ABOUT IT ONLINE

Nobody's gone ad hominem about his weight yet?

>>5415225
BE A BUTTHURT LIBERAL
LOOK LIKE A FUCKING FAGGOT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hn6ad4_FzM

>>5415225
I think we have enough of an idea to avoid commercial bullshit on the internet.

>>5415221
The difference is that Moore is right and people agree with him but only about 5 years too late.

O'Reilly is just a twat.

>>5415214
>>5415225
>>5415238

USE BLOCK MEME
FORGET IMAGE

An American Carol is the best movie ever

>>5415221
uhm...how? In just about all the interviews I've seen him he comes off as a really nice and humble guy.

I agree with green text guy

>>5415214
DON'T QUESTION THE CURRENT STATE OF CAPITALISM THAT IS CRITICIZED BY ALL ECONOMISTS

WATCH FOX NEWS

>>5415252
Moore tells half-truths

>>5415221
I couldn't find a site that wasn't run by right wing wackos

>>5415221

I've been to most of those sites, and they seem to be run by butthurt conservatives.

All the criticisms against him seem to be based on how he edits his movies, and even if they are done to incite emotion this doesn't take away from any of his overarching points. Also, all the counter arguments to the facts and figures he gives in his movies are "this isn't true." or "this is false." and then no citations.

Besides, if he was outright lying and making shit up, then he would be sued for slander.

Seems like conservatives are just pissed off that they finally have to compete with a liberal who uses republican tactics against them by breaking everything down into easy to digest soundbites

Yes, he's exactly like glenn beck or bill oriely in terms of presentation, but he puts them to absolute shame in terms of content.

>>5415198
Your side of the argument seems to be flawed. See you state what he says in his movies as facts when in fact (lol) they are just theories that some random conspiracy fag has spouted out and try to play off as facts, that are then ramped up as facts even further by imbeciles and retards such as yourself.

Watch movie
Feel outraged
Go home
Return to your regular routine until next Michael Moore movie debuts

>>5415221
LOL bullshit.
Sicko, for instance. Everything was fucking spot on, and now look at our health care. NOBODY
with an IQ over 16 disputes that we need major reform.

No one but 17 year old kids take this guys seriously, even the left think hes a total moron

>>5415300
this is what uninformed retards actually believe

>>5415320
uh, what? Nobody takes Republicans seriously, bro.

He's just the opposite side of the spectrum.

Here is a little rule to follow:

A political figure makes a documentary* = Don't see it.

(*by political figure I mean anyone who makes a living on their opinions without actually doing or creating anything. Glen Beck, Ben Stien (lately), Direct TV, That guy who made 'religulous', Rush Limbaugh all fall into this shithole classification.)

>>5415214

What a horrible thread.

ITT: Trolls trolling trolls.

>>5415323
this is what wikipedia-informed retards think about people who look past uninformed-retard information databases on the internet.

you know I bet if he had on his DVDs a feature that cited every source he used in his filmed, superimposed at the bottom of the screen while it's being spoken, people would shut the fuck up more.

His bullshit is as thick as the cholesterol in his arteries but sometimes shit speaks for itself. $5 medicine in cuba? You think that was set up?

>>5415261
Seriously? The guy is passive aggressive to anyone who opposes his opinion and far from humble. When he speaks he speaks with a tone that says he knows more than you.

>>5415330
>political figure makes a documentary* = Don't see it.

But..He's right.

Don't be a fucking retard

Dispute what he said in Sicko.

Like I said earlier, he made a movie that showed how flawed our health care system is, and a few years later shit is REALLY starting to hit the fan and just about everybody agrees that we need major reform.

>>5415300

this is what republicans actually believe

why don't you just use point form next time

>BUSH GOOD, BLOW UP BROWN PEOPLE, PROTECT AMERICA

>NIGGER BAD, TAKE MONEY, GIVE TO OTHER NIGGERS

>CAPITALISM SUPERIOR, OTHER COUNTRIES JUST JEALOUS OF FREEDOM

>MCDONALDS AWESOME I LOVE MCRIBS

>GOD BLESS AMERICA, SPACE JESUS WILL PROTECT US FROM THE RAPTURE

>>5415355
not at all. He was very, very humble in all the interviews i've seen him in.

not saying that i go out and watch his interviews or whatever, but when watching CNN or something i'll see him on and go 'oh okay i wonder what he has to say' and i was blown away by how cool and calm he is.

You're either slightly mentally retarded or doing a half assed trolling job.

ive seen a alex jones movie and he wanted to talk with him and michael moore was running away and shit and alex jones was like OMGGGFF DUURR HE IS THE BILDENBERGER WE HAVE TO BURN THIS FAT BASTARD.. thats all i remember sry

>>5415314

>>Sicko
>>Everything was fucking spot on

>>5415349
you make yourself out to be a 14 year old by your god awful syntax.

elevate your intelligence and try discussing politics.

>>5415386
>I'm an idiot that believes America's health care is fine xD

>>5415383
Alex Jones believes 9/11 is an inside job.

>>5415394
what's so broken about it

watch film

laugh at fat guy using highly theatrical tactics which undermines any valid points he makes

continue to not vote and generally not give a shit about politics as it's all a stream of misinformation and manipulation.

>>5415314

The treatment Moore and the rescue workers receive in the film was done specifically for them, because they [the Cubans] knew it would make great propaganda,” Dr. Julio Cesar Alfonso, a Miami doctor who practiced medicine in Cuba for four years, said in a June 22 interview with The Miami Herald.

“The medical centers in Cuba that treat tourists and government officials and VIPs are very different than the ones that treat the general population,” Alfonso said. “If you’re a Cuban citizen and need a prescription drug, most doctors either tell you to ask your relatives in the U.S. to ship it to you or recommend alternative herbal remedies. That’s the degree of scarcity on the island.”

>>5415394

Do I think our health care could use reform? Absolutely. Do I think the government taking control of it is the answer? Absolutely not.

>>5415389
I gave that shit up when nobody listened to anything anyone said and then people started going "omg stop arguing!!1"

I don't think my written syntax has any bearing on my credibility in an argument on the internet, using proper grammar shouldn't make a difference as to the value of my contribution.

ITT: Virgin Conservative fags who are butthurt about a fat neck bread and his movies.

>>5415433
neck bread is nutritious and essential to dietary needs

>>5415420
Okay? He still gave solid arguments as to why our health care needs major reform. Honestly, you'd be slightly mentally retarded if you think he wrong in Sicko. You don't have to believe in a single payer method, but the objective, inarguable fact remains that he highlited how our health care is fucking sick and essentially everybody save for the hardcore conservatives accepts this.

Michael Moore is just Noam Chomsky for the average american IQ < 100

They both make the exact same points, except Chomsky uses big words, and moore uses cartoons and pop up books

either way, they are both awesome finally shoving all this evangelical neoconservative imperialism horseshit back in their faces.

Conservatives are ruining, or have ruined america. They should all be hung for treason.

>>5415420
The goverment wouldn't be in control, dumbfuck

>>5415442


The healthcare system does need reform,but the current bill is a huge pile of shit

>>5415198
>implying that michael moore isn't a lying dumbass hack

>>5415444
Chomsky is great.

on the topic of Fox News - Daily Show 29/10/09
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-october-29-2009/for-fox-sake-

Its not actually news you stupid fucks, its commentary disguised as "news".

SFW midget porn meets a political thread.

>>5415458

>implying thats not the ultimate goal of the left

>>5415458

Really? Because I'm pretty sure they would be under the current bill.

So the guy troll capitalism which make him profit with the idiocy of liberals

Cool business bro

>>5415515

this thread is tl;dr

michael moore makes propaganda to fight propaganda. fuck propaganda.

>>5415536
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk

>>5415484


chomsky wrote the propaganda model in 1988.

fox news today must make him want to die just so he could roll around in his grave

>>5415420

why not? Government already controls police, schools and many other social services, and nobody complains.

I'm not going to argue if his facts or right or wrong. It's the way he presents them. Completely 1 sided and biased. He really is nothing more than a glorified propagandist.

>>5415559

um yes they do. not so much police, but the public school system and social services? both are total failures

>>5415559
public schools are garbage.

>>5415359
Everyone who has no idea what free healthcare really implies.

Like you, dumbfuck.

>>5415573

Compairing to what?

>>5415559
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Social healthcare does not automaticly negates commercial healthcare, just provides alternative. I really don't see the problem here.

Moore's right about the healthcare system being imperfect, but everyone knows about it already.

The things he proposed in his film is just loony.

>>5415642

*negate

>>5415508
>implying you're not brainwashed by the Right

>>5415359
I hate ignorant liberals.

>>5415515
That's because you don't know anything about the bill

>>5415664
>I hate informed people and their facts! ;_;

>>5415677
>implying liberals posses any logic or intelligence whatsoever

>>5415708
>>5415664

You're eather a troll or a moron.

t>>5415642

You are a complete idiot if you think private health insurers would be able to compete with a government subsided system.

If they truly wanted to promote competition between insurers, they would allow health care insurance to be sold across state lines, I bet you didn't know that do to government regualtion there are many states who only have 1 or 2 private healthcare insures. just that one simple change could make a drastic difference in healthcare cost.

You really need to read the bill and find out what is actually happening. The bill will eventually get passed will not completely socialize the current healthcare system, but it is a giant step towards making it happen. Obama himself is on record saying it could take years before the a full universal government run single payer system would be fully in effect.

>>5415708
>implying liberals aren't obvbiously the superior intellectuals

>>5415735
>You are a complete idiot if you think private health insurers would be able to compete with a government subsided system

tell me how that's a bad thing.

It's blatantly evident you have no idea why our health care industrty is in the shitter.

>>5415749

>pot meet kettle

>>5415749
It's clear you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Just leave.

>>5415760
Coming from a guy who thinks health insurance companies are a good thing

why haven't you shot yourself yet?

>>5415766
>durr I'm utterly unversed in the topic, I think i'll tell people who are informed to leave!

typical retard

>>5415368
oh shit do they still have the McRib? I got to get in on that

>>5415774
>continually making it obvious that I have no idea what I'm talking about and then trying to play it off by calling others stupid

>>5415808
>i'll still try to call the informed people uniformed, it'll really help out my self esteem ;_;

>>5415842
>Maybe if I continue to say I know what I'm talking about, people will actually believe me.

even if you dont agree with his methods or even his solutions at least moore is upset about the right things and brings attention to them?

that being said a lot of the attention is from people in other countries that aren't fucked.

even though i dont live in america i like to follow your debates and politics because its absolutely hilarious.
"death panels" lol

I love how kids nowadays want to be conservatards because the President is now a Democrat. It's like the fucking 90s all over again. Maybe the music will get better.

ITT: trolls trolling trolls, while being trolled by other trolls and troll in return.

>>5415940
hopefully, mainstream rocked sucked dick for the most part in the 2000s

Good message, bad spokesperson.

>>5415953
Yeah man it's been horrible.

I don't really like Michael Moore's films because they seem too much like politically opinionated documentaries, nowhere near entertaining enough. I like documentaries, but I really prefer an entertainment-oriented movie when I go to the theater.

I haven't watched any and I have no idea of what the fuck you are all on about.

It seems absolutely alien to me that health care isn't free in your country.

To be honest, I've never really looked into it, but does it work like this: You're sick but have no money, therefore you get no treatment?

If so, that seems a little backwards.

>>5415508
It isn't. If it were, they'd say they wanted a single payer system.... which works wonders

I hope for a German system someday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tdgk-JFVhvk&feature=player_embedded

>>5416062
Actually, it's more "if you're sick and have no insurance or government-provided health care (for the sick, poor, disabled, unemployed, etc.), you get no treatment." But that's the general idea, yes.

It's a bit more complicated, because depending on your policy, you might *still* not get treated because they will do absolutely anything to ensure no money is spent on someone's well-being. It's a pretty bad system. If you aren't rich enough to afford the treatment for your ills out of pocket, you can't be *really* sure that your insurance company won't find a way to screw you over.

Not to mention that you can't get approved by anyone for pre-existing conditions. The more I read online, the more dedicated I become to turning into a serial killer and murdering politicians and corporate sharks until change happens, without leaving so much as a clue of what it is that I as a homicidal maniac want.

if any of you have actually been keeping track of the bills:

you would have to buy insurance or pay a $1000 fine. non-negotiable.

companies would be penalized if any of their employees used the "public option." however, employees would be penalized if they used the public option but their employer provided "affordable" insurance.

basically the government decides what you can and can't afford.

It saddens me to read this thread and to think some of you fucking botched abortions are the future of America (yes, even the trolls). You dislike the guy because hes an annoying fat fuck and end up disregarding his opinions and are to stubborn to realize HES FUCKING RIGHT.

I enjoy my fucking awesome free health care. It is my understanding that both United States neighbors have it too. Canada and ass backwards Mexico.

I can't believe how fucking retarded you guys are.

>>5416112

So, if you are born with, say, heart problems, you can be denied insurance?

Michael Moore is so fat that 90% of this documentary's budget went towards fast food bills.

>>5416112
so you want to force insurance companies to take clients that they know will lose them money and raise premiums for their other clients?

>>5416194
You're virtually guaranteed to be denied insurance.

http://www.livestream.com/porkchopsandwiches <-- streaming

>>5416190

>I can't believe how fucking retarded you guys are.

> /tv/

failed school system -> retards

be glad you live in europe

LOL, Obama's "public option" is nether optional or beneficial to the public.

>>5416277
>hurr durr i'm a fucking retard who believes our shitty ass health care industry is doing just fine durrr

>>5416277
>>5416277
>>5416277

>>5416280

>>If I'm against a flawed solution, I must support the status quo.

This logic is why there is so much fail in America.

OP here. I can't believe the other thread is winning 2 to one, and it started as a fucking missfire.

What poppycock. Well at least the Ron Paul drones missed the chance to hijack this thread, much like AMDG hijacks R9K threads with his raging protestant bullshit

>>5416302
>if we can't give a perfect solution we shouldn't do anything

>>5416303
>AMDG

wuts that?

>>5416313

How would I know the quality of the proposal? No one has enough time to actually read it through.

>>5416303
OP of other thread, you are a hypocrite of your own post and not addressing anything. Have fun, fag.

>>5415221
>implying he's anything like Bill and not Rush Limbaugh as they are both fat and should be compared as opposite forces because they are fat

>>5416323
You just said it was a flawed solution, dumb shit.

>>5415394
It's fine for me but that's because I have a job that provides care.

Why don't some poor pieces of shit get a job with benefits?

>>5416344

>>Implying that I have to read the entire bill before finding a major problem.

>>5416330
You believe our health industry is A-OK. Have fun being slightly mentally retarded, dumbfuck

>>5416323

I know you're trolling but, that is the kind of mentality that got your country so fucked up. That so distinctly American pride in ignorance.

>>5415198
If he shaved his head, he'd be bald

>>5416390
no, really, even most of the people voting on these measures don't have time to read them because of their length and density

>>5416390

>>implying it's okay to pass laws without letting the general public take a serious look

>>5416390

>>5416417
yes, that is an accurate representation of Americans and why those who question the ability of a nationalized healthcare system to suit our needs do so. Because Jesus said so.

>>5416412
>implying you have a say in anything after criticizing singlepayer and believing championing deregulation

>>5416490

>>implying that every possible implementation of single payer is good and every implementation of deregulation is bad

>>5415419
Like a butthurt Cuban living in the US is a source to be trusted.

>>5416544
like a communist regime in a closed society is to be trusted.

I suppose Kim Jong-il really is god.

>BAWWWWWWWW HE EDITS FOOTAGE TO MAKE THINGS LOOK A CERTAIN WAY

...You mean like every single film director that has ever and will ever live?

>>5416623
yeah, but people believe it like it's the gospel truth.

it's like if Stone went around using JFK as a campaigning tool, treating it like it was objectively, historically accurate.

oh, and a disclaimer on my use of the "gospel truth" cliche: I am an atheist, don't give me crap for being a christfag

>>5416544

Mexico fag here.

I know for a fucking fact that Hospitals in Cuba are top notch. Say what you will about Fidel, if theres one thing those fuckers can do (besides roll cigars) is fucking make good doctors. It's a cultural point of pride to the government to have hospitals and med schools in tip top shape, seeing as their murdering Argentinian martyr was a doctor and all.

second>>5416648

>>5416643 yeah, but people believe it like it's the gospel truth.

I don't know anyone who thinks that.

>>5416681
that's an appeal to ignorance if ever there was one.

>>5416557
If it was a third party, I'd give it some thought. The Cubans who live in Florida are pretty much scum who got asspained that their racketeering got cracked down under castro. I mean the assholes are just waiting for the day he dies so they can have a week long celebration.

It's like asking a KKK member to testify about the character of an African, it's flawed and biased to the point of being useless.

>>5415214
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>>5415214

hi! I am a complete fucking retard.

I believe whatever the news (except what "faux news") tells me to believe.

I believe that corporatism = capitalism

I believe that conservatism always equals republicans

I believe that reform requires bigger and more powerful government.

I believe more government is always the answer.

if crony-ism in the government hasn't yielded the expected results, obviously the reason is that there wasn't more government rules and regulations. ( so long as they are bought and paid for by the people the rules dictate to)

also anyone who doesn't believe what I do is obviously a retarded inbred uberchristian rightwing conservative repbulican racist.

that is all.

>>5416730
You do realize Moore encouraged people to pirate his films and has released them for free on the internet in order to get more people to see them. Or make a free on-line movie on the 2004 college election movement?

Yup, he's really in it for the money.

>>5416719
aren't there a few felons among them, after Fidel opened up the prisons in the 80s?

>>5416907
lol, he actually believes micheal moore's bullshit. suuuuuuuure he's not in it for the money...

>>5416907
still in that reviled top 1% of income earners

I just hate him because his movies are about him as much as his subject.

It's like if Buckley made a documentary: "I'm sane and civil when you're silly and loud"

The best documentaries are the ones that don't need a single word of commentary

>>5416907
>>has released them for free on the internet

Bull.

Where's the link on his homepage to download if? If he doesn't care why isn't it in big flashing red text on his website?

He's just saying that to make you feel like he doesn't care, but would he turn down another million dollars? No. And neither would you.

It's just clever marketing, sort of a reverse psychology

>>5416943
never seen any Moore film, but your criticism reminds me of An Inconvenient Truth.

it was as much an Al Gore biopic as it was about global warming. still don't know what his daughter getting sick and him losing the 2000 election has to do with carbon emissions.

>>5416829
totally saving this as copypasta.

>this thread

>>5416959
Google it, you can find them all on-line now.

Only thing he's against is camrips since they are A. Crap quality B. trying sell a product that Moore is giving out for free. (Although connies in their infinite wisdom, try to paint him as a hypocrite for that one)

>>5416995
I'm flattered. but please. change this

>that there wasn't more government rules and regulations.

to:
>that there weren't more government rules and regulations

I'm kicking myself in the ass for not catching that. stupid whiskeys.

>>5417028
that subjunctive... motherfucker is a tricky mood in English I tell you what

>>5417042
derp?

singular vs plural imperfect tense...

>>5417028
To bad Republicans define conservatives now. Funny how the Goldwater Republicans of old, are basically the Blue Dog Democrats of today.

Capitalism will always turn into cooperate cronyism

Government CAN do right, but with those who hate government being in power, the self-fulfilling prophecy of a government being useless is fulfilled.

Rugged Individualism is the greatest lie perpetrated on the American people in the past 50 years.

>>5417070
>Funny how the Goldwater Republicans of old, are basically the Blue Dog Democrats of today.

Most retarded thing said all night, congrats.

>>5417070
oh, you! Keep swallowing that spoon full of media medicine with it's sweet, sweet sugar of ignorance.

There are conservatives that are not even close to the party line of the republicans.

In fact, i dare say, (and i beleive alot of people would agree with me) that the republican party is FAR from conservative. Look at Bush's spending record, as well as his vast amplification of government and presidential powers.

Doesn't seem too conservative to me.


and as far as corporatism and capitalism, read a damn book on the subject. I don't have nearly enough room to school you on that one. But I will tell you that you are wrong.

In a true free market, there is no room for crony-ism, and special favors for some, and regulation for others. There are also far far fewer large corporations on a fair and equal playing field.

>>5417084
Blue Dogs don't demand the government to be smaller and spend less? The Whigs didn't turn into Republicans?

Also, where are those goldwater Republicans? They either jumped to the libertarians party and have become completely marginalized, created the blue dog cacus and now hold considerable power over Obama. or are RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL.

>>5417106
>In a true free market, there is no room for crony-ism
And here in my society of angels the stalinist muslim theocracy that is run entirely by mentally challenged poor black men and constantly angry disabled lesbians works excellently.

>>5417120
>implying Ron Paul isn't god tier

>>5417153
we;ll since you put it that way...
I can see that you are a complete jackass, and are not even worth the time and effort to "debate".

grow up, kid.

>>5417106
the only thing the Neocons are is socially conservative.

they'll fuck your rights, they'll expand the breadth of the federal government, all to serve Jesus and kill the sandniggers.

there's a good deal of Republicans that are closer to Libertarians, and frankly I don't know why they don't defect from a party that's obviously gone far off base.

>>5417153
I don't even understand what you're trying to convey here

>>5417161
Ron Paul, is incorruptible. However he should have refused federal aid when hurricane Ike leveled his district. Fucking hypocrite.

Also his ideals will fall just like socialism. Fall pray to human nature.

>>5417201

Because libertarians kill babies

>>5417201

Because libertarians kill babies

>>5417201
exactly my point. republicans are not conservative anymore, but their loyalty base still doesn't get it.

I am completely shocked that more people AREN'T supporting more true fiscal conservatives like RP, or Bob Barr.

(full disclosure, I'm a libertarian, and live in RP's district.)

>>5417106
Times change, you best start forming a third party or taking back the Republicans since they still claim to be champion of conservative values.

Also Capitalism is a flawed system that has fallen pray to human nature, it's only under the great delusion that the workers think they will one day reach the top themselves if they work hard enough, it ain't going to happen and the table is so tilted against them, it's a Greek tragedy.

INB4 you claim our current system is corporatism. Of course it is, but it was born from CAPITALISM.

Go back to regurgitating Ayn Rand

>>5417218
I think he should have as well.

but he said before that when money is already allocated like this, it either gets spent on what it's supposed to be spent on, or it gets pushed into someone's pet project budget. Not given back to the people.

his reasoning was that he would rather it actually go to help the people who's money it rightfully belonged to, than see it go into the hands of someone else to remodel an office.

>>5417186
For the record, I wasn't the guy you were responding to previously. I just find it hilarious how conservatives and "libertarians" always revert to the magical "true free market" that has never existed, but explains all flaws and could show up any day now.

Also you're association of conservatism with small budgets is hilarious.

>>5417218
How sensable!

I myself believe in balance. RP is all about black and white

>>5417255
and virtually every alternative to capitalism negates any incentive to perform, and falls prey to human nature.

>>5417258
It shows the chinks in his armor, he'd pay into the government out of obligation, but then expect nothing from it.


Also, lol libertarians.

>>5417272
So we're damned if we do, damned if we don't

Fuck it, let's just murder all the rich people and keep burning coal.

>>5417281
capitalism is the worst economic system, except for everything else.

>>5417218
This little talking point is bullshit, it was debunked, Im sure if you google it you can find the specifics, also he wanted funds to go directly to communities in katrina and not funneled through fema and all its mismanagment bullshit

>>5417278
If I had more faith in humanity, I'd be a min-archist. but then I come here, and see there are too many fools with a sense of entitlement and a holier-than-thou attitude.(meaning you know better than me what i should do with my own body, life, money, property, time, what have you)


those are the people that screw it up for the rest of us.

>Michael Moore thread

>170 posts and 10 image replies omitted.


troll level 4 unlocked

So capitalism rewards hard working people? No, it gives a majority of the wealth to heirs and rewards people who figure out how to manipulate the system to their gain. A few rags to riches stories might happen but they are FAR from the norm.

>>5417298

>>5417281
>So we're damned if we do, damned if we don't
I agree. Humans have just become too selfish for their own good. The way human society is a cycle. We have reached the pinacle of our capability to survive cooperatively. We will eventually destroy ourselves and the survivals will simply restart the cycle over again.

>>5417306
so what do you suggest, good sir?

>>5417218
>>5417270

Paul voted for the Disaster Tax Relief Act of 2008 that will help individuals affected by Hurricane Ike take expanded IRS tax deductions, and allow businesses to write off demolition expenses, among other things.

When Ike hit, he voted to deny federal aid to his own disaster-struck district, here is a quote from a houston chronicle interview:
"In several disasters that have befallen my Gulf Coast district, my constituents have told me many times that they prefer to rebuild and recover without the help of federal agencies like FEMA, which so often impose their own bureaucratic solutions on the owners of private property." - 2005

"Is bailing out people that chose to live on the coastline a proper function of the federal government? Why do people in Arizona have to be robbed in order to support the people on the coast?"

Also, why dont you little weasels ever tell the full story, like how he wanted funds to go new orleans but directly to the hands of the people and not Fema.

Michael Moore would be great if he toned down a bit. He has some points, but he blows them up so they can't really be taken serious anymore, and people immediately become aggressive towards it. That's not the way to argue for things. Obviously, though, it IS the way to sell movies.

>>5417306
Capitalism rewards those who have the power and connections to amass great amounts of wealth. Wealth that they horde and pass on to children through inheritance. There's no way that Paris Hilton earned the wealth she enjoys so lavishly.

There is no true competition in a world where the richest 10% of the world control 85% of the wealth. That hording of wealth puts those without that power and wealth at a disadvantage. They can't compete.

>>5417365
ok, now you be trollin nigga

>>5417410
How is that trolling? It's the sad truth about it all. It's the nature direction of capitalism itself. There's no even equal distribution of wealth and power. Capitalism naturally rewards to huge corporate conglomerates. The same principle applies to anything really. A large, collected military force is more powerful than small independent militias. Power and wealth are naturally amassed simply because it makes sense in a capitalist system.

This is merely how it works. I don't like the way capitalism works, but its the most stable system we've got because it atleast takes mankinds selfish, greedy nature into account.

>>5417483
again, corporatism. You've never read a book on free market capitalism, have you?

It's rhetorical, I can tell you haven't. You've never even bothered to read anything about economics in general, either.

>>5415214
He drives a minivan. My parents live in a house worth 40,000 more than his and they are by no means wealthy. During an interview with Howard Stern a few weeks ago he said he has a net worth of about a million dollars. He's well off but he sure as fuck isn't earning millions, it's a goddamn indie documentary he funded out of pocket.

>>5417504
Admittedly my knowledge is somewhat limited. What I know I learned in college.

I really don't see where your argument is coming from. You're delusional if you don't see that large corporate conglomerates have the most wealth, power, and advantage in a capitalist system. A free market system is simply one that is free of government interference. That won't prevent growth of corporations.

>>5417539
Micheal Moore has a networth of over 50 million dollars US.

try again.

>>5417572
Please post source, oh god I want to lol.

>>5417572
yes please do.
want to lol hard.

>>5417583
>Moore himself is one of these ultra-wealthy few, with a net worth exceeding $50 million. On November 1, 2005, World Net Daily reported that the anti-capitalist Moore -- who had proudly declared "I don't own a single share of stock!" -- in fact owned tens of thousands of shares in U.S. stocks. Most notably, Moore owned more than 2,000 shares in Halliburton -- the gas and oil company he excoriated in his film Fahrenheit 9/11.

>>5417583
>>5417591
Why would that make you laugh out loud?

>>5417624
because it shits all over the idea that michael moore is any kind of common man or at all humble in the purest sense of the word. it does tarnish his credibility a bit wouldnt you think?

also, it totally refutes a comment somebody made earlier about moore having ~ 1 million.

>>5417616
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Net_Daily

World Net Daily sounds like a hella reliable source bro.

someone found one of the sources before I could post it.

I will admit, it is hard to find an unbiased link when talking about Micheal Moore.

But considering he has made FOUR of the HIGHEST GROSSING DOCUMENTARIES of ALL TIME, which is easier to believe?

he is worth over 50 million, or he is barely worth a lousy mill? Use a bit of common sense on this one.

>>5417616
Conservatives calling someone else a hypocrite.

Is that the same as dividing by zero?

>>5417638
That website is run by birther tea party fags, your argument is invalid.

>>5417616
>Implying that conservative blog copypasta is a legitimate source.

Finds me a legitimate news agency reporting what you claim or GTFO

>>5417638
I'm laughing out loud at you through the internet.

REPUBLICANS DO NOT FUCKING EQUAL CONSERVATIVES! WHY CANT YOU DUMB BITCHES GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK GODDAMNED SKULLS
RRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEE

Hey guys is it too late me to join in focusing on Moores income (or his weight amirite) and ignore the content of his film?

>>5417684
Semantics, you're raging over semantics. The Venn diagram for people that identify as "republican" and people that identify as "conservative" is probably a perfect circle.

>>5417666
>VENICE (Fortune) -- If anyone has profited from the free-enterprise system in the past 20 years, it's Michael Moore. Since 1989, when his "Roger & Me" pioneered the docu-comedy form of nonfiction film, Moore's movies, TV shows and best-selling books have given him an eight-figure net worth.

also 666 get

Here's the thing. Most people go and watch a Michael Moore film and go "hmm that's interesting" and then move on.

Michael Moore haters on the other hand watch his films and then keep a detailed point form list of every fallacy that he's said and then argue years later with people, on the INTERNET. For this reason they are fags who should not be listened to.

Moore is a millionaire? No shit, he released popular books and movies for the past 25 years. I'm sure he gives most of it away because just look at him, it's obvious he doesn't spend it on himself.

>>5417695
Nah bro, this is the U S A. It's always a good time to let petty shit define discourse.

>>5417715
i refer you to his gut

>>5417715
>implying he should be able to spread lies to the american public and have no one call him out on his bullshit.

inb4 hanity

>>5417710
A google search produced no article on Fortune's website, just alot of copypasta on anti-Micheal Moore blogs and websites.

Again, looking for a legitimate source, STRAIGHT from the horses mouth. Anybody can write and article and slap Fortune or Reuters in it and have idiots believe it as truth.

>>5417704
as someone who is fiscally conservative, and socially liberal, it is not just semantics. I fucking hate it when I get lumped in with some mouth breather republican jesusfreak, because of my economic views.

especially when republicans are not even fiscally conservative.

so semantics to some, except the ones who are getting cornholed into a stereotype.

>>5417729
>Implying that spending large amounts of money on himself made him fat.

You do realize that shitty fattening food is actually the CHEAPEST to buy?

Michael Moore enjoys the fruits (or Big Mac anyway) of his labor, this is exactly what is put forward by those who promote democracy, anarcho-syndicalism, libertarian socialism, etc.
That is the whole point of Workers Self-Management yes?

There seems to be a confusion here that a criticism of craven greed and a criticism of the pathological immortal entity known as The Corporation is also a rejection of the aforementioned ideal.

>>5417729
so he hides the money in his stomach!

>>5417740
Well shit man, I do feel sorry for you. Woman trapped in a man's body feeling. Maybe you lot should come up with another name for yourselves, like, I dunno, Libertarian maybe?

>>5417748
If he has earned it all, which he has I think, why does he shy away from discussing his earnings when thats been brought up in recent interviews for his film, or act nervous or try avoid the question, it makes him look ridiculous

>>5417762
the American concept of Libertarian is diseased, it is for big business.
It has nothing to do with its left-marxist, anarchist, socialist roots.

>>5417768
No, the question is ridiculous not his response.