By that logic, if I lived in Micronesia I'd be immortal.

ha ha what

I hate it when people use hyperbole

Clips please. I need to see this retard for myself.

>US 307,018,000
>CAN 33,729,000

Moar liek 9.3 tiems

He's right though but you're too stupid to see it. It's the same with swedes/norwegians and fins. Big countries, many natural resources, small number of people to spread the wealth under. No wonder they can afford healthcare without too much trouble

The video:
http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=3060320

There is logic too it you faggots just don't want to believe it.

Obviously he could have phrased it better but considering the sheer amount of people in the United States healthcare becomes very hard to maintain control of. Especially when you consider the vast number of illegals and poor people.

But go ahead, be a faggot.

>>4247889
AHAHAHAHA FUCKING OP GOT PWNED BY O RLY

WATTA STUPID FAGGOT

>>4247895

Population size has nothing to do with it. Our per capita income is on par with Norway and Sweden. We have just as much wealth to spread around as they do for each of our citizens. We actually have slightly MORE than they do.

But not only is that irrelevant, it's wrong. And what O'Reilly said is just retarded. He said that mortality rates are proportionally linked to population size in a nation, which they are not.

>>4247915
>defending a known bigot and obvious retard

>>4247895
>>4247915
Why couldn't your health care system be proportional?

Canada spends less on health care — socialized, everyone gets treated, no bills — than the US, per capita.

>>4247915

So you're admitting that our health care system is a failure? I agree. No one in the world wants American health care. That's why socialized health care is superior. It leads to longer life expectancy and healthier people.

>>4247915
Illegal aliens could contribute to healthcare costs, but population couldn't. You are a silly goose if you claim it can.

THERE'S NO WORDS ON IT

>>4247921
They not only have a absurdly small amount of unemployment but the tax income of a single global corporation like Ikea or some oil fields suffices for the whole government financed health care

>>4247895
haha butthurt conservatard, too bad that wasn't the point he was making. He said it means we have 10x the accidents and crimes. fucking retards

http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=3060320&ref=fpblg

>>4247934
doesn't change the fact that
>>"Of course Canada has longer life expectancy than the U.S. -- we have 10 times more people."

is correct. Thanks for playing faggot

Population density affects quality of life, FOX news at 10.

>>4247923

All socialized health care systems are more efficient and cheaper than privatized health care. And even though they cost less, they deliver more care to more people.

But in America we have this propaganda machine that tells us that private industry is always the answer to everything even when it sucks at what it does. And the politicians in Washington don't care because they all have free health care provided by the tax payers. They got theirs and they don't care if we get it too.

>>4247932
Producing something to pay for your way of life? What an absurd concept. Go back to egypt you commie pig.

>>4247934
So the proportion of accidents and clumsiness increases with the population?

ITT American schools stopped teaching proportion?

>>4247939

No it's not correct. How can you be that stupid? Did you drop out of high school math? Do you not understand even basic statistics? What O'Reilly said was wrong in every way. Not even one basic fact in his comments was correct.

we have a shorter life expectancy than Jordan

what a fucking shithole of a country I live in

ITT: Average life expectancy directly affects an individual's health.

>>4247955
I can think of 10-15 countries I'd rather live in than the US, if I was going to be kicked out of Canada.

I hear Somalia has a low life expectancy...

>>4247950

If you have ten times the population and ten times the number of accidents and crime, the per capita rate of crime and accidents remains the same, thus life expectancy averages are not affected in the slightest, which logically means that life expectancy is not in any way related to the size of the population. Which means there is another reason for Canada's greater life expectancy and that reason is better health care.

>hurr he was really talking about population density even though he didn't mention land mass at all

>>4247965
lol wut?
nobody is suggesting that. If anything they are suggesting that health affects life expectancy, and not the other way around

SOCIALIZED MEDICINE WORKS WONDERS!!!! oh wait...

>Russian life exectancy
>male 59.12 years
>female 73.03 years

>British life expectancy
>male 76.23 years
>female 81.03 years

>American life expectancy
>male 75.15 years
>female 80.97 years

>>4247965

>People never die for health-related reasons.

Yeah... you can stop talking now.

>>4247921
too bad the USA have to import most of its resources from countries like Canada.

Seriously, the $ the Canadian government earns on US oil imports alone must be enough to run a functioning healthcare system for 30 million people

>>4247950
Actually it's true. It's called more fish in the sea syndrome or something, I forget.

The fact that we have more people makes dangerous activities seem less risky. If we lived in a community of ten people, we wouldn't even think about doing something like skydiving or consuming things we know are extremely unhealthy.

However because there are so many of us, we subconsciously have lost that fear of our people going extinct. Are 300 million strong community thus engages in far more frequent life endangering activities than our 30 million strong neighbors.

China is well known to possess some of the riskiest behavior known on earth including recreational consumption of lead, as well as practicing Falun Gong, which has been proven to be extremely fatal.

>>4247966
I'm moving to canada

It's cool because I have a post-graduate degree. All I have to do is work for a year

>>4247991
Not at all; our income tax is higher, our sales taxes are higher.

>>4247993

Then explain why Europe with twice as many people as America and several times the population density has a higher life expectancy.

>>4247993
no, the community of ten people wouldn't try it because they don't have enough people to put on a television show glorifying it

>>4248002
Europeans still identify more with their individual countries. Over the next several generations, if children grow up identifying more as Europeans, their life expectancy will go down.

>>4248002
Because we don't smother all our food with butter and cheese.

Also, it's not considered strange to walk more than 20 yards.

>>4247989

The point, you missed it.

>>4247985
Russia is practically the Mexico of Asia in terms of quality of life.

>>4248009
What a crock of shit

>>4248011
your point was idiotic
health care affects life expectancy almost by definition

>>4248007
Thank you for agreeing with me and contributing further to my argument.

Of course, none of the libtards in this thread explained how the tiny difference in life expectancy automatically means that Canada's health care is better. It could be caused by different diet, cleaner air, water, different genetic makeup of the population, etc.

>Factors affecting a given death rate

> * Age of country's population
> * Nutrition levels
> * Standards of diet and housing
> * Access to clean drinking water
> * Hygiene levels
> * Levels of infectious diseases
> * Social factors such as conflicts and levels of violent crime
> * Amount and quality of health care available


Note that population size is not listed because it does not affect the mortality rate in any significant way.

>>4248026
we probably never explained it because nobody said it

>>4248018
Name one country who's people tend to identify closer with being European than they do with being of their own country.

I'll save you time, there isn't one.

>>4248026
maybe because that's not the topic.
the topic is that O'reilly is an idiot and his point was idiotic

>>4248002
The average life expectancy in the EU overall is only 5-6 months longer than it is the United States. Talk about making a big deal out of nothing.

>>4248029

Americans work harder, and work longer hours, they are more driven.

Why would you not include work ethic in your failed list?

>>4248035

WAM! Out of nowhere an irrelevant fact that doesn't address the central question in any way!

>>4247978
>Which means there is another reason for Canada's greater life expectancy and that reason is better health care.
Because it's [i]obviously[/i] not due to, say, better environment, a different proportion of racial and cultural backgrounds, or some other thing.

>>4248029
That study is flawed and full of baseless claims. Population is the largest (although not the only) contributor to a nations life expectancy. Harvard concluded this irrefutably.

>>4248046
>implying minorities are dragging down our life expectancy rates

Oh, you silly racists.

>>4248044
>Americans work harder, and work longer hours, they are more driven.

Cite your sources.

I thought this thread was about how retared oreilly is
if someone wanted to show that canada has better health care, all they would have to do is point to the lists that say that canada has better health care

>>4248051

What study? The hell are you even talking about? Do you even know?

>>4248035
Everyone except Ireland. The people of Europe have time after time voted to give up their national sovereignty in favour of handing more power to the EU and weakening their own governments.

>>4248033
see
>>4247978

>>4248051
stanford irrefutably proved that america is the shittiest country on the planet

>>4248044
living to work is worse than working to live, yes.

>>4248045
It directly addresses the post I was responding to, but you would know that if you weren't lazy and stupid.

Notice that the highest life expectancy is in countries with socialized medicine. The lowest life expectancy is in countries with almost no medical services at all. The middle life expectancies are from private health care countries and poor countries.

>>4248062
You're projecting and diverting. The facts speak for themselves.

You're missing the point. The point is that Bill Orly, Sean "Fuck Your Country" Hannity, and Mike Savage are all partof the posion that is killing Murika

>>4248070

No it doesn't, you retard. He said something about the average life expectancy in Europe. Then you came back with an irrelevant bullshit about Europeans whether or not they identify themselves as European or if they're more nationalistic. That was irrelevant and stupid.

fuck longer life expectancies
the world is not ready for billions of 80+ year-olds soaking resources and giving nothing but outdated complaintive "advice"

>>4248068
This may be true, but that's irrelevant to the discussion. The discussion is about life expectancy and how population affects it. China is well known to have the worst life expectancy rate due to it's large population.

>>4248071

Wow, go Australia :|

>>4248070
>It directly addresses the post I was responding to

No it doesn't. All it does is prove that you know nothing more about the people of Europe than Fox News tells you.

Why can't you guys have both private AND socialized health care? No one seems to consider this alternative. Socialized up to a certain point, with the option of private care.

>>4248075

No, I'm pointing out that you don't know what you're talking about because those facts didn't come from a single study. You just made something up out of the air and thought you had a legitimate point, which you didn't.

That's become a very typical right wing tactic lately. To just make up facts out of thing air and peddle them as if they were true. And to ignore all real science because it proves you wrong.

>>4248058
It is a well known fact that half of the UK is on the dole. The French strike anytime a 40 hour work week is brought up, the Germans get like 2 months paid vacation a year.

Read a book.

>>4248035

Stop trolling, you're hurting my brain. As an Irishfag I enjoy semi-private, semi-public health care. If I want slightly better heathcare and slightly faster provision of care for non-fatal heath matters, than I can pay for private healthcare, if I can't or don't want to I still get public healthcare. It doesn't impact on my access to emergency or life saving treatment.
This is as an Irish citizen, whether I'm employed or unemployed, young or old. We have it pretty awesome, as does the rest of Europe. There's a reason why Irish workers are seen as some of the most productive workers in the world, get sick less often because of healthcare, don't have to stress about health care etc etc.
Healthcare is seen as a right in Europe, not as a priveledge. Also anyone want to bring population density into the discussion look at Japan.
p.s. our government just purchased Swine flu immunization for the entire population, to be completed in 6 months... hows the piggy flu treating ye in the US?

>>4248051
I'd ask you to cite the source, but I know you don't have one.

>>4248009
>Over the next several generations, if children grow up identifying more as Europeans, their life expectancy will go down.

Mother of God.

>>4248089

Obama is trying to make a public insurance options, which is a crappy half-assed form of social medicine for the poor but the Republicans and Democrats who are owned by the insurance industry won't allow even that much. They really do hate America and they're only working for the insurance industry, even though they know the insurance industry is killing people and 12,000 people per day are losing their insurance coverage.

>>4248080
It is NOT irrelevant. It's the only thing that matters! The population in each of the countries of Europe individually are much lower than the population of America. The lower population of the group (their country) that they identify with contributes directly to their higher life expectancy.

If they all identified primarily as Europeans, their life expectancy would drop.

>>4248071
If that were true, then why is the US so high on the list. Shouldn't its lack of socialized health care put it down with the African countries?

>>4248061

Canada has better health care.

If you're wondering why America isn't on the list, it's because it's health coverage is so bad that it didn't even show up on the screen for the screencap. It's all the way down at #38, just behind Costa Rica.

>>4248020

Lrn 2 read, average life expectancy affects an individual's health the same way the fatass from down the street affects my cholestrol levels.

>>4248089
yes
nobody is considering that, except for our entire country

>>4248069 living to work is worse than working to live, yes.

Not when you enjoy what you do.

Working to live is a stagnant shitty existence.

This is an American mindset, and what makes us better than you.

>>4248103
>If you identify yourself as a European, you will die sooner.

lol wut?

>>4248093

UK unemployment rate 5.5%
US unemployment rate 7.2%
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/uk.html
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html

>>4248089
Thats what is trying to be pushed through in the US right now. You wouldn't know it after hearing about it.

I also don't get how the 10-15% uninsured in America is going to clog up the system until it becomes unworkable like has been argued time and again.

>>4248113
The problem with these studies is that the definition of "better health care" is very political and biased.

>>4248113
What number is Canada on that list?

>>4248117
but I'm telling you that nobody in this thread said it affected you

we were saying that health care affects life expectancy

nobody said anything about you

>>4248133

Canada is #30.

>>4248123
Well, unless the population of Europe goes way down, then the life expectancy will go up again.

>>4248122
the "live" in "working to live" means having fun outside of your job you moran

>>4248131

No it's not biased or political. They measure how many people have access to health care and what the mortality rate of the nation is and other objectively measurable facts. Then they rank the countries based on those facts.

And based on those facts, America's health care industry is one of the worst in the developed world.

>>4248131
>The problem with these studies is that they don't come out how I want them to

fixed for what you really meant

>>4248140
So we might have a better health care system than the US, but over all it's not that great.

>>4248124

Different countries report labor stats throught different methods? I am shocked!

>>4248113
The WHO is a leftist organisation. Cite something a little less biased, please.

I see that we've concluded that O'Reilly is indeed an idiot and now people are trying to distract from that

>>4248131

Yeah, there's a total bias towards 'facts' like a good health system is when the most people get treated for illnesses faster, cheaper and quicker which equals a lower death rate.

Fuck, how can you even argue the US healthcare system is better, I know one lady in the US (this was when I was in Montana) while she was having a heart attack she was afraid to ring the ambulance because she couldn't afford the thousands of dollars the hospital would bill her for.. Now, that's fucked up.

>>4248146
It also means you are a slave to your work.

>>mortality rate of the nation is and other objectively measurable facts

HAHAHAHAHA

>The WHO is a leftist organisation.

Haha, oh wow.

>>4248124
Americans take less vacation hours and work more hours during the week than any other nation besides Japan. But I suppose I should say thats only for people who are actually employed, though I assumed that would be obvious.

>>4248160
I don't know if he's an idiot or not, he comes off like one a lot of the times but it could be a character, however I have not once wavered in my defense of the words he said that the OP posted.

Population directly affects life expectancy. It is not the only factor, AIDS and crime can also affect life expectancy, but the larger a nations population is, the shorter they tend to live.

>>4248168
>I claim mortality rates aren't objective facts because they make my Republican leaders look stupid when they fight against health care reform.

fixed

>>4248148
Just because they have "access" to health care, it does not mean that the health care they get is not worse than in the US.

>>4248150
> The problem with these studies is that the criteria is selected to support the agenda of the political group sponsoring it.

FIXED

ITT: Idiots who sit in front of the TV all day debate health care policy. There's a reason why all your "arguments" are one or two short sentences. 3 guesses why.

>>4248157
Reality has a well known left wing bias.

>>4248188
> Stupidity has a well known left wing bias.

fixed

Faggatron makes me ashamed of being a tripfag. What a retarded faggot.

>>4248164
Some people find a purpose in their job. Some people fine a purpose outside of their work that needs to be funded through a job. I don't know why people are arguing.

>>4248185
1. We are good at summing things up

2. The issue isn't as complex as it's made out to be

3. Tacos are delicious

If you believe in evolution than you shouldn't support socialized medicine. You are doing mankind a disservice by allowing the weak and helpless to live and pass on their genes. If you support abortion because you think that it is a good form of "population control" then you should also not support socialized medicine, which only makes the situation worse.

I hate both parties. They dont seem to realize that trolling the population with polar opposite viewpoints and attacking eachother with lulzy insults and hypocritical bullshit does nothing to better the country. All it does is divide.

Im all for socialised health care. A person should not have to pay to survive. But I can see how it would not work in the U.S. The illegal immigration problem is waaay more serious for us than the rest of the world. Thats one of the reasons our social security system is so fucked up. If we manage to get the immigration problem fix'd, AND do something about the ones that are already here, AND get the tards from the Libtards and Conservafags to stfu and stuff their outdated opinions up their asses, then maybe it can work. But since this is the country where nothing ever sensible happens, I'm pretty much just blowing hot air and pissing off alot of hippies and fascists.

>>4248184

So you're saying that giving people access to health care is not necessarily better than denying them any health care at all?

lol wut?

Where do you loons come up with this shit? UHC countries have the same medicines and treatments and equipment as America does, but they make it available to everyone. That's why their health care systems are superior. And their economies aren't being destroyed by health care either, because in America 50% of all bankruptcies are caused by medical bills. That danger has been eliminated in UHC nations. Which is another obvious benefit.

>>4248195
>implying that all tripfags aren't retarded faggots

>>4248194
>fixed

Because you are a better writer than Mr. Stephen Colbert, right?. I don't see you booked for the White House Correspondents Dinner.

>>4248211
>Implying Faggatron isn't even more retarded than regular tripfags

>>4248205
>the Dems and Repubs have polar opposite views

OH GOD I'M LAUGHING TOO HARD OH SHIT OH OH FUCK CAN'T BREA

>>4248201
No matter what we do, we have removed ourselves from the natural process of evolution. Any evolving we do from here on out will have to be technological.

>>4248201

That's retarded. We don't need to kill people to keep the forces of evolution going. Sexual selection does that for us. The weak and unworthy remain life long virgins because no woman would have sex with them. Thus only the strong and powerful mate and continue the species.

Universal Health Care won't end darwinism. It will just improve the quality of society and protect people from bankruptcy when they get sick.

>>4248206
No. I'm saying that it doesn't matter how many people have access to health care, if the quality that health care is shit.

>>4248182

>>A nation's healthcare system can be measured in one number.

What kind of fantasy world do you live in?

>>.4248205
>illegal immigration problem is waaay more serious for us than the rest of the world
lol'd

even if this were true (and it's not) there's such a thing as ID and a database.

SHIT THREAD LADS

>>4248227
soylent green ends darwinism. you know that. not that we'll live to see it.

>>4248226

Wrong. Evolution among humans is moving faster today than it ever has before. Primarily because of the large populations, which means more mutations, which means more chance for positive mutations. And people are breeding with new ethnic groups, which spreads around new mutations faster across the globe. Evolution among humans is accelerating.

http://www.physorg.com/news116169889.html

Is there anyone in this thread who isn't trolling?

you guys are fags

>>4248231

please tell me what other english speaking country you come from that has a worse immigration problem?

>>4248228

Socialized medicine will provide the same quality of health care to more people for less money. The only people who lose are the asshole insurance company CEOs who fucked up our health care system in the first place.

Enjoying dying younger because of your retarded shitty healthcare system Amerifags.

Love,
Europe.

P.s. pic related.

>>4248242
Evolution doesn't work the way you think it works.

>>4248258

Yes it does because I learned that from evolutionary biologists. They're the guys who know how it works and that's what they see happening when they do their studies. They're a lot more reliable than you, some random douchebag on the internet.

>>4248246
have you been to the UK in the last 5 years?

>>4248243

I, for one, am here just for the trolling.

>>4248201
umm believing evolution is real doesn't have anything to do with believing that evolution should dictate the future of the species.

>>4248277
That evolutionary biologist was probably a christfag trying to spread disinformation for jesus.

>>4247859
>>4248236
>>4248243
>>4248244
>>4248257

>>4248277
>anecdotal evidence
>reliable

>>4248227
Yeah, its not like moronic red necks and their equivalents don't have the most kids or anything. Only the smart and strong procreate.

>>4248292

You don't know what anecdotal evidence is, do you?

>In the study, researchers analzyed genomes from 270 people belonging to four disparate ethnic groups: Han Chinese, Africa’s Yoruba tribe,
Japanese and Utah Mormons. By comparing areas of difference and similarity, they determined that about seven percent of the genome has undergone significant change since the end of the last Ice Age.

>If human beings had always evolved at such a rapid clip, said the researchers, genetic differences between people and chimpanzees would be 160 times greater than they are.

>Driving the changes are environmental fluctuations and population growth. As the number of people swells, so do the number of mutations generated by random chance. Further selecting for disparate genetic inheritances are the diverse terrains, climates and social structures inhabited since the glaciers retreated.

>The findings contradict the hypothesis that evolution must be slowing down because people who once would have died are sustained by modern medicine and social safety nets. They also suggest that genetic differences between different ethnic groups can be significant.
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2007/12/humans-evolving/

>>4248301
Sure looks like studies and raw data in here...

>>4248296

Dumb rednecks have to breed more kids because their kids are less successful and they die out more easily. It's the only safety net they have to ensure their genes survive. Smart people breed more slowly because their kids are more successful and don't have such a high mortality rate.

Dumb people will always outnumber smart people but smart people will usually be more successful at surviving and flourishing in society.

USA has Glau. USA wins.

>>4248318
Okay, but that doesn't change anything I said. You implied that evolution would weed out the "inferior" or whatever you were on about, yet you admitted yourself they would always be the majority.

ITT: Hippies and socialists brag about saving money by paying the government to pay for their $20 asprins and $350 checkups.

>>4248318
Access to education for women is connected to fewer births and later in life. Smart people have fewer kids because *they* have more opportunities early on. Dumb people don't. Their job out of high school is likely how they'll spend the rest of their adult life, they don't have another 4-12 years of school ahead of them before getting a career and then settling down.

>>4248345

Evolution DOES weed out those who can't survive. It weeds out babies that are too deformed to live. Even though those rednecks are comparatively inferior to a white college educated liberal, they're still good enough to live technically. If they can eke out an existence on their farm, fucking pigs and drinking Jack Daniels, then they're fit to live as far as evolution is concerned. Evolution doesn't give a shit about anything other than whether or not you can survive long enough to breed and raise the next brood of uneducated Republican voters.

>>4248354

PROTIP: Private health care will charge you $100 for Aspirin. Seriously, they do it all the time. And they'll charge you $2,000 a night in the hospital plus whatever other useless procedures and disposable sterile goods they can tack onto your bill.

That's what happens when you let people make a profit off of health care. They exploit the patient for every last penny they have.

>>4248354
I'm happier with the 10k dollar.

some of you guys are conflating evolution and natural selection

evolution still occurs; natural selection, less so

>>4248425

But sexual selection will always occur. Unless the Republicans ever institute a mandatory breeding program and outlaw abortion again because God supposedly says that sex is only for procreation.

If you are privately insured, and you develop a chronic illness, insurance companies have an incentive for you to die

also, what they'll do sometimes is tell you not to get a drug for a condition, citing possible dangers of interactions with other drugs. But once the drug goes generic (and therefore costs a lot less), those interactions will suddenly not be a problem

privatized health care is a monstrosity

>>4248391

>>Doctors, Insurance companies, Drug companies are all t3h evilz!!!!!!

Among the many reasons why American healthcare is shit expensive is because American consumers end up paying the amount of money companies need to recover after research and marketing while the rest of the world have price controls.

>>4248403
10k dollar surgery I mean. Damn.

>>4248471

We told you earlier ITT, research money paid to pharmaceuticals will not be affected by UHC. The problem is not the pharmaceutical companies, they're okay even if they do sometimes overcharge to make huge profits. The problem is also not the doctors, no one ITT is blaming doctors. The problem is the insurance industry which makes a profit by denying people life saving operations. Every time they can deny a claim or turn down someone's service, they make money. They have entire departments with people whose job it is to think up new ways to stop people from getting treated for their illnesses.

If you don't see the obvious flaw in that system, then you're retarded.

>>4248455
Yeah. Except then the drug companies just release a new similar drug at an even higher price that does the same thing and keep raking in the dough.

Of course when Obama mentioned that using a matrix reference, he was decried for attacking the industry like a bully, or something.

/tv/ is the new /n/
do americans actually listen to o'reilly? guy's the biggest jackass in newscasting history

Europe > Asia > America > Rest of first world > Third world > Canada

>>4248499
this

also, what they'll do, is rescind your insurance after you've paid for it for decades, because of innaccuracies on the insurance form

of course they don't check this while you are paying. Only at the moment of your need do they decide to investigate the minutiae of your form and claim.

You pay companies, for years, and they have absolutely no intention of paying for your claims. It is their duty to try to avoid doing so. How can anyone defend a system like that

>>4248521
he has the highest rated show on cable news, though I'm sure half of those just watch to laugh at him

Big Pharma in the USA: advertise like mad "if you have a symptom, any symptom at all, ask your doctor about Pill-X", then 'encourage' doctors with gifts and payola to prescribe Pill-X to every patient who asks. Pill-X causes all kinds of problems in just about everyone, but why pay for real testing and improve the product when you can shift the onus to doctors and the public, while in effect field-testing it on humans?

>>4248521
forgot mah sage

also
insurance is a form of socialization

>>4248543
>asking a question while using sage

>>4248521
Hannity is a much bigger asshole. Oreilly has calmed down considerably the last couple years. He still makes outrageous claims and gives them as fact, but he isn't an outright asshole about things like Hannity.

>>4248455
Privatized health care has come up with every single bit of medicine and medical procedure that has ever existed. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

>>4248566
You got a problem with that?

Why are we arguing about how old people expect to live?

Bill O'Reilly does have a point, considering how diverse our population is and how everyone in Canada is an anglo saxon of European decent.

>>4248499

If you think insurance overhead is the sole or even the biggest source of avoidable costs you are sadly mistaken.

>>4248455
Even if the current Privatized health care system is bad, it does not mean the socialized health care system will be better. The only reason this is being put forward is that the alternative would be a clusterfuck of arguing over how to properly reform and moderate insurance companies so they can still profit without dicking over people. Even still, once the companies become fucked over by Socialized health care, guess who's getting fucked? Not the corporation heads. Not the share holders, the CEOs and any of the higher ups, it's the workers. The anal dildo gets passed down to them instead. Good job taxing business owners and those who dictate payroll. Good job.

>>4248585
pathetic
also, I'm talking about the insurance companies, and the system by which they are the arbiters of your health care

fuck this thread.

>>4248595 how everyone in Canada is an anglo saxon of European decent
not sure if troll

>>4248602

Way to entirely miss the point. People ITT were right when they said you were retarded.

ITT: old /n/

>>4248605
yes
it's your average joe insurance broker

whatever will he do?

O'Reilly is hilarious.
He tells it like it is and isn't afraid to get in someone's face. You could call him a bully, but he is so much better than Hannity and Glenn Beck.

>>4248455
seriously you guys can't even defend this
and you know it to be true

why not just accept that that is an outright immoral way to have health care in any country?

>>4248595
>Bill O'Reilly does have a point, considering how diverse our population is and how everyone in Canada is an anglo saxon of European decent.

Canada is more diverse. You only think you're diverse because you have so many blacks and Mexicans. We have actual diversity thanks to refugee and immigration policies.

>>4248605

The system is broken because companies profit by keeping people sick and not treating them. That is not the intended purpose of a health care system. Socialized health care has been such an amazing success because no one profits from other people's sickness. They only profit by treating patients. That's why it works so well.

Socialized health care doesn't hurt the common person, that's a myth that literally comes from the mouth of insurance company CEOs. They put out the lies and you eat them up because you want to believe. But the facts demonstrate the error of their statements. Socialized medicine works better and delivers better treatment for less money to more people.

>>4248535
>>4248499
>>4248455
fucking /thread guys
America is shit and you assholes are fighting to keep it shit