[Return]
Posting mode: Reply
Name
E-mail
Subject []
Comment
File
Password(Password used for file deletion)
  • Supported file types are: GIF, JPG, PNG
  • Maximum file size allowed is 3072 KB.
  • Images greater than 250x250 pixels will be thumbnailed.
  • Read the rules and FAQ before posting.
  • このサイトについて - 翻訳
  • Blotter updated: 01/01/09


  • File :1240573944.gif-(11 KB, 373x367, Vault Boy.gif)
    11 KB Anonymous 04/24/09(Fri)07:52 No.30366958  
    Something occurred to me on the way home earlier.

    The Fallout game series could possibly be considered to be one of the better examples of a game series being art. Now bare with me for a moment as I explain where my thoughts led me.

    It is said that for something to be art it has to exist for nothing more then itself. To deliberately be made in whatever medium the artist desires to express certain emotions or ideals. It doesn't have to exactly look good, modern art has plenty of ugly pieces of work that exist to bring out certain emotions and nothing else.

    To apply this to each of Bethesda's games we have to keep in mind that they didn't program Fallout with us in mind, thye designed their games based entirely on what they wanted out of a non-traditional RPG, their ideal FPSRPG. They made it entirely for that purpose and then went on to show others to see if they would feel the same way. They have kept the series close to their art and done all the work theirselves, the art, the music, the programming, all Bethesda's to make what they want to express.

    Granted, it can be argued it's not quite art. After all, it still serves the purpose of a game to many and doesn't stand alone on it's own to just be looked at and enjoyed, but I feel it comes closer then many. It's work a lone studio put effort into not to make money, but because they wanted a game exactly to their specifications. Each further game follows their whims and desires. I'd say it's a pretty close example.

    Picture related, it's Bethesda's soul on paper. I for one think it's beautiful.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/09(Fri)07:53 No.30366973
    tl;dr: Pretention bullshit.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/09(Fri)07:53 No.30366993
    games != art
    art=art
    >> Anonymous 04/24/09(Fri)07:53 No.30366994
    Too fucking bad that Morrowind had more soul than Fallout 3 ever could hope to have.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/09(Fri)07:54 No.30367002
    DID YOU MEAN BLACK ISLE?!
    >> Anonymous 04/24/09(Fri)07:54 No.30367010
    >>30366993
    You're hilarious.

    And what is art? Paintings? Sculptures? Architecture? Music? Theater? Cinema? Poetry? Books?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/09(Fri)07:54 No.30367012
    8/10
    pretty tricky
    >> Anonymous 04/24/09(Fri)07:55 No.30367023
    This is totally pretention.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/09(Fri)07:56 No.30367036
    If you go by the "anything that's an expression of authors thoughts = art" definition then you'll get nowhere and won't create a stable argument.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/09(Fri)07:56 No.30367040
         File :1240574190.jpg-(27 KB, 480x360, todd.jpg)
    27 KB
    >>30366994
    morrowind was art.

    fallout 3 was a ripoff and poor recreation of 1940's-1960's art style.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/09(Fri)07:56 No.30367048
    Suda 51 is that you?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/09(Fri)07:57 No.30367052
    Fallout was art.
    Fallout 2 was a game.
    Fallout 3 is a product.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/09(Fri)07:57 No.30367054
    The Burger King ad with Sir Mix Alot pimping square-assed shawties is technically art too. What do you want us to do about it?
    >> Anonymous 04/24/09(Fri)07:57 No.30367077
    >>30367054
    Youtube link kthx
    >> Anonymous 04/24/09(Fri)07:57 No.30367079
    >Picture related, it's Bethesda's soul on paper
    >Fallout series created by Black Isle
    >Fallout 3 being a corporate shit-out

    hilariousreactionimage.jpg
    >> Anonymous 04/24/09(Fri)07:58 No.30367086
         File :1240574303.jpg-(46 KB, 704x396, anime girl cries.jpg)
    46 KB
    >>30366958

    >THEY'RE COMING TO TAKE ME AWAY
    >HAHA
    >THEY'RE COMING TO TAKE ME AWAY
    >HO HO
    >HEE HEE
    >HA HA
    >TO THE HAPPY HOME
    >> Anonymous 04/24/09(Fri)07:59 No.30367096
    Morrowind was decent back in the day. Now, it's shit. Everything it did, Oblivion did better.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/09(Fri)07:59 No.30367102
    From /jp/ with love.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/09(Fri)07:59 No.30367105
    >>30367096

    Bite your tongue, naive.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/09(Fri)07:59 No.30367106
    >>30367052
    I thought that the OP was talking about Fallout.
    Then I read Bethesda, and realized that he was trolling.

    ALSO OP
    >for something to be art it has to exist for nothing more then itself.
    >nothing more then itself.
    >then itself.
    >then
    dohoho
    reactionimage.jpg
    >> Anonymous 04/24/09(Fri)08:00 No.30367122
    >>30367096

    You are an idiot, who clearly hasn't played Morrowind.

    Or you haven't played Oblivion, in which case you're lucky.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/09(Fri)08:00 No.30367132
         File :1240574436.jpg-(133 KB, 432x458, reaction.jpg)
    133 KB
    >this thread
    >> Anonymous 04/24/09(Fri)08:01 No.30367150
    >>30367052

    And here I thought all of /v/ bought into Fallout 3. Fallout 3 trivialized and stepped on what made Fallout and Fallout 2's world impressive.

    I know this will make people dismiss me, but I was done with Fallout 3 the moment I heard it was to be made on Oblivion's engine. And yes, I played the game through to the end, it was ridiculous. Most of the side missions I ended up doing were boring as well.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/09(Fri)08:01 No.30367155
    >*bear with me
    >> Anonymous 04/24/09(Fri)08:01 No.30367159
    >>30367102
    The bastard stole my idea.
    The Touhou version would have been better because more idiots, namely the ones incessantly spouting "weeaboo", would have taken the bait.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/09(Fri)08:02 No.30367173
    >>30367105

    >knave

    Just in case you meant a fool, rather than poorly expressing that he's naive.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/09(Fri)08:03 No.30367193
    >>30367150
    I liked Fallout 3 for what it was, but I really would prefer if it wasn't called "Fallout".

    It just wasn't the same. And I don't miss the gameplay from old Fallouts.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/09(Fri)08:03 No.30367201
         File :1240574635.png-(600 KB, 1280x720, 1235423765273.png)
    600 KB
    video games are not art.

    stop trying to pretend it is, if you want to argue that then you might as well say a game of football is art.

    there is a goal, an objective, a process of winning and losing , it provides a story along the way but only to justify and make the process more enjoyable / more immersive.

    faggots like you should be brought into the streets and shot, just because you are the fucking cancer

    the only reason you came to believe video games might be art is because you most likely read some bullshit article on it.

    the only reason developers want video games to be considered art, is because :

    A) video games is a new industry, its highly debated only because of this reason
    B) developers want it classified as art so they can bypass the many laws that restrict sales to minors and certain countries as well as not be subjected to the varying degrees of non-art product tax
    C) the only reason its being debated so much now is because the intellectual property issue due to copyright claims by publishers such as EA.
    As per all the "warnings" and "EULA" agreements you go through when installing a game, you do not actually OWN the game, only you purchased the right to play it.

    stop trying to debate it, just stop trying to act smart. you are a mindless consumer just like all the rest of the people here. your "discussions" and "debates" are really quite mundane and out of your league, you will never be able to effect the industry in any way shape or form.

    Its not art, and only companies like EA are trying to push this bullshit into the spotlight for the reasons listed above. They are money hungry pieces of shits that want to rehash the madden franchise on a yearly basis, then buy up every developer and churn out second rate garbage on a daily basis.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/09(Fri)08:03 No.30367202
         File :1240574636.jpg-(43 KB, 361x365, 1200746894490.jpg)
    43 KB
    >>bear with me
    >> Anonymous 04/24/09(Fri)08:04 No.30367211
    From /po/ with love.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/09(Fri)08:05 No.30367238
    >>30367193

    I can agree with this. It's Oblivion with guns, and Oblivion wasn't a bad game. I find it boring as hell, but that's just me.
    >> Anonymous 04/24/09(Fri)08:06 No.30367255
    >>30367201

    I can understand your point about publishers wanting games to be seen as art, but you aren't giving any reason to the contrary. So, until you do, you are a troll, and will be ignored.



    Delete Post [File Only]
    Password
    Style [Yotsuba | Yotsuba B | Futaba | Burichan]
    Watched Threads
    PosterThread Title
    [V][X]Anonymous
    [V][X]Anonymous
    [V][X]Anonymous
    [V][X]Anonymous
    [V][X]Anonymous
    [V][X]Anonymous
    [V][X]AnonymousBayonetta (PS3 ...
    [V][X]Anonymous
    [V][X]Anonymous
    [V][X]Anonymous
    [V][X]Anonymous
    [V][X]Anonymous ...How do I organi...