>having four friends, one of which is a female, to hang out, eat take-away and watch movies with
i jelly

This is my new favorite show

>That 70s Show with one less girl and no parents.

>>21314367
bazinga

Best girl, if you disagree you are a faggot

also
>dem tits

>>21314382

No, no bazinga, I'm being serious

>>21314392
>obnoxious voice
>short and stumpy
>ugly face

The punchline of a joke could literally be "i'm playing mario kart" and everyone would shit themselves over how hilarious it is.

>>21314409
>ugly face
>implying she isn't cute as FUCK

>>21314409
>implying you wouldn't bang

lol

>>21314392
ugly, woudn't bang

>>21314409

The writers should commit sudoku, Billy.

>that feel when everyone pretends to hate TBBT but watches it anyway

xd

basinga

>>21314631
where's your god now

>>21314668
Everything that is new and popular will be hated on /tv/, no matter the quality.

>>21314329
Fine, I'll say it. It's anti-intellectual and portrays intelligent people as socially retarded, scatter brained clowns. When you consider programs like IT Crowd or Fraiser which had characters that could be considered "very intelligent" or "nerds" they were not the but of every joke.

In those shows EVERYONE from Jen Barber to Martin Crane could be the butt of a joke as where in Big Bang Theory it will be one of the four male supporting cast. Penny while has some short falls (usually those displaying she doesn't get computers and science like the guys), will be portrayed as a responsible adult who works while the work the four male "nerds" do is belittled.

The only time a "nerd" in the Big Bang Theory has a chance of escaping some sort of one negative stereotype is when they're female.

In conclusion The Big Bang Theory is a horrible show that paints a negative picture of the "intelligent" characters as a means to comfort the viewer who is likely not as smart and the referential humor (one of the lowest kinds of humor) is rarely correct.

>>21314765
You are awesome,have a Tobias.

>>21314846
Thank you. I accept this Funke.

>>21314765
I bet you would think chinese or nigger stereotypes in comedy are hilarious.

You don't really think this about the show, you just want to fit in with the /tv/-crowd who think their taste is more refined if they hate everything that is popular. You then try to conjure up reasons for why you would hate the show, so that people can't point you out as a pretentious dummy.

pathetic
Go watch some black and white movies, turd.

>>21314874
You are everything I hate in /tv/

>>21314356
I wish I had nerdy friends like me who I could have vintage video game nights and such with, too. ;__;

>>21314874
>>21314874
a million times this
>>21314874
>>21314874

>>21314765
If I had to choose between Frasier and TBBT, I would undoubtedly and unhesitatingly choose Frasier every single time.

Having that said, I disagree with everything you said, and I believe you to be a jackass.

>>21314874
The best I can give you is a 1 out of 10 on account of my responding. I see you've offered nothing to counter the valid points I've made though.

Since the focus of your post is my character and you offer no counter arguments to what I said, I can only assume you care a great deal more about me than the discussing TBBT. It's flattering, thank you. If you like I can give you a way to contact me so you no longer need to post in this thread.

>>21314974

How so? What he said is accurate. Whether or not its done intentionally we'll never know but he's spot on about the treatment of the intellegent cast members.

Add yeah, I watch it because my sister watches it and sometimes I watch it with her.

>>21314673
photoshop outta/10

>>21314974
You're entitled to your opinion. I've only watched about ten episodes of the Big Bang Theory and had gotten all I needed from it. People don't need to eat a whole plate of something to know it tastes bad (or watch several seasons in this case).

Was anything I said incorrect though?

>>21314392
>dat voice

NOPE

>>21314392
>>21314392
>>21314392
Fuck yes... More of her!

>>21314765
Agreed but I don't like Frasier.

>>21314892
>TFW I have 2 roommates I can do this with.

>>21315014
Imagine if a downie walked up to you, drooling, with fresh warm shit in his pants, and told you that butterflies are actually potatos, and that potato chips were made from boiling butterflies in his taintsweat.

You would probably cock back your head and think his proposal was frivolous.

You would not try to "offer counterarguments" to his "valid points", you would only think and probably express that his identity as a sub60 IQ downie probably makes his ability to draw conclusions from observation quite bad.

You would not focus on his reasoning, you would focus on the stench of his shit, and the drool dripping out of his mouth staining your cape and boots with saliva.

>>21315098
>Oh, as if men never try to use sex to get what they want.
>How could we POSSIBLY use sex to get what we want? SEX IS WHAT WE WANT!
You have no taste

>>21315124
No, I just don't find Frasier funny.

>>21314392
>>21315090
>>21314485
>>21314673
shes ugly as fuk

i bet youre attracted to ugly betty

>>21315154
Speaking of which, what happened to that show?

>>21315154
I would post the fat pimple face nerd saying "wouldn't bang" and imply that it was you but I do not have that imagine saved

> a show about nerds
>they have friends and attractive girlfriends
>they go out and do stuff

>>21315124
Oh sweet
This is not a Frasier thread

>>21315154
I'm attracted to a wide variety of females, none of which look alike to a discernible mold.

>>21315162
It got canned

>>21315204
*this is NOW

>>21315162
She brished her hair and everyone realised she wasn't ugly

Not even trolling, she fixed her hair and all of a sudden she got a job in London and her boss was in love with her

>>21315061
Well, I mostly disagree with it because Frasier and Niles were not nerds. They weren't the butt of the joke because they were classy gentlemen who enjoy the finer things life has to offer. That's not to say they were never the butt of the jokes. They certainly were on many occasions, but only in a light and very humours way that plays on their particular personalities rather than intelligent people as a whole.

Also, in TBBT, not everyone is the butt of the joke. Leonard is an intelligent nerd but he's still a very normal, likeable guy. Sheldon is very eccentric and intelligent, and is only the butt of many jokes because he is an annoying and obnoxious person to anyone who doesn't quite understand him. Howard is looked down on by everyone because he's a creepy, perverted little nerd who treats women very poorrly. The writers have screwed up Raj's character so much that I'm not even going to issue it (seriously, stop pushing all the homosexual shit).

The two sitcoms aren't very similar. So I don't even know why you're comparing them. I think you're trying to force the stereotype that all intelligent people are also nerds. Am I wrong?

>>21315220

>quality writing

>>21314765
this so much this
Internet high five bro!

also i spotted the same thing (but on a different level) with the show King Of Queens.
This was the first show i noticed that (slightly) intelligent/educated person is portrayed as an social awkward person. You have to be an stupid uneducated guy like the King himself to be loveable, everything else is just shit.

Oh, by the way, i think because of your post i am going ti check out Fraiser. Never saw it yet.

>>21315285
Oh, and I wanted to say, the latest seasons of TBBT have been pretty awful compared to the first three seasons. I don't know which ten episodes you might have seen, but if they were ten episodes from the fourth and fifth seasons, then you're not really entitled to much of an opinion. Give it a try from the very beginning. See how you feel then.

>>21315117
The difference is I'm discussing the topic posted and made semiotic analyses of the episodes I viewed. If you feel my points have as little worth as the crude analogy you offered, I can refer you to the specific episodes and what part in the plot would communicate anti-intellectual messages to the viewer. I don't think that's necessary though.

If you're the same Anon as before, which I believe you are your analogy is a insult lacking in subtlety, revealing once again you care almost obsessively about a stranger on the internet simply because they don't share your opinion. I'm sorry you feel that way.

As it is though you'll just try and excuse your abnormal behavior as "trolling" or make an effort to "derail" the thread with the hopes I'll keep responding. I won't. I've placed an AIM sn in the e-mail field since you really seem to want to talk about me. You're welcomed to message me, friend. Just replace the underscore with a space.

>>21315302
I don't remember anyone being educated/smart in that show.

>>21315361
That's because no one really was. I'm not even sure why he's bringing up King of Queens.

>>21315285

He wasn't saying intelegent people are nerds, just that both shows deal with intellegent people. What their particular interests are don't matter, they are still supposedly in the same IQ bracket.

>
Also, in TBBT, not everyone is the butt of the joke. Leonard is an intelligent nerd but he's still a very normal, likeable guy. Sheldon is very eccentric and intelligent, and is only the butt of many jokes because he is an annoying and obnoxious person to anyone who doesn't quite understand him. Howard is looked down on by everyone because he's a creepy, perverted little nerd who treats women very poorrly. The writers have screwed up Raj's character so much that I'm not even going to issue it (seriously, stop pushing all the homosexual shit).

You just went off on a tangent here. You said that not everyone is the butt of the joke (which wasn't even his argument, he said the male characters, not all characters) then described each character's personality. Neither have anything to do with each other. You haven't actually pointed out how Leonard isn't the butt of every joke, just what he's supposed to be in the show. Seriously, that entire paragraph is fucking sloppy.

>>21315380
Arthur was so intelligent that he was moronic

>>21315351
Excuse me sir, you are drooling on my cape.

>>21315361
once in a while they meet some.
Some old friends from school are the try to educate themselves, and start reading books. And meet other people who "read". But at the and of the episode they notice that reading/beeing educated is for faggots.
>that's the joke

And what i got from these thread about Fraiser, being smart but not a nerd.
That's exactly what i am talking about:
Shows like TBBT or KoQueens portray smart = nerds
In this shows there is no possibility to be educated and a cool guy.

>>21315404
When I say 'everyone' I was referring to the main leads. He was talking about the male supporting cast, and I'm not sure how he sees them as being regarded in a negative light to comfort viewers who aren't as smart as them. That is just an idiotic description of the show.

This coming from a guy who has only seen ten episodes, which may have actually been ten of the worst episodes of the series. Then based off those ten episodes, says the entire show is horrible.

>>21315285
You are incorrect with the idea that I'm trying to push a stereotype. I used Fraiser as one of the examples because the relevance of Fraiser's and Niles' intelligence juxtapose everyone else (as seen in the relationship they have with Martin). This is comparable to how Penny may not understand computers just as Martin may be oblivious to something his sons are passionate about.

As a result of Fraiser and Niles being the more intelligent and two of the most used characters in the show, I felt it was useful since one making an erroneous semiotic analysis might think Fraiser was anti-intellectual. It wasn't. It's humor made constant use of misunderstandings in most case.

In the case of the Big Bang Theory, as I stated it's referential humor and the comparison of the four nerds to everyone else paints a very negative image. Even Leonard isn't painted in a very kind light from the episodes I saw. I switched between TBS to a local channel so my selection was from varied seasons. Raj was more or less there to remind the viewer he was from India every chance he spoke. So there's another iota of cultural ignorance TBBT promotes.

I notice you didn't try to counter my using IT Crowd as an example.

>>21315302
It might take time getting into. It's very much character driven and once you understand them you get right into the rhythm.

>>21315495
>This coming from a guy who has only seen ten episodes

i saw all episodes
and i agree with him

>inb4 why do you watch them if you hate them
first i dont hate the show. I just dont like how they portray educated people
2nd i am bored and have nothing better to too
3rd must of the other shows out there are even wors
4th there are also some funny moments in it, sometimes

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YAH WELL IF U SPENT LESS TIME COLLECTING STAIRS AND SAVING A LIL PRINCE LIKE ME MAYBE WED HAV SACKS

SACKS YOU SAY

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*LAFF TRAP*

>>21315558
thx for the hint
and thx for this nice Natalie pic

people like you are the reason i still come back to /tv/

>>21315601
I felt 10 episodes from at least 2 different seasons was a fair selection for viewing. It's silly to tell someone their opinion means nothing because they didn't consume ALL of the product.

I should add though; I do not hate The Big Bang Theory. I'm indifferent to it and at worst, dislike it. I dislike it for the negative ideas it encourages in the audience, the fact the detrimental messages are so eagerly consumed they're lucrative and the fact it's standard, sitcom shit.

>>21315558
Well I might have spoken a bit rash previously when I said I disagreed with everything you said. I'm at least in agreement with your opinion on Frasier.

I don't agree with your opinion on the characters in TBBT, though. How are they being regarded in a negative light, exactly? Also, Leonard is probably the nicest guy I've seen in a television series in a long time. I have tremendous respect for his character and I respect his intelligence.

There was that one episode where Penny is dating some really stupid guy and the four main guys insult and bully on his lack of intelligence, but they feel guilty and apologize for it afterwards. Also that was an episode from season 5, so forget about that shit because it doesn't count.

The writers are seriously messing up. I tend to pretend that there is no season 4 and 5. Especially a season 5. They're pretty awful seasons. I'm not blind to that. I'm thinking the episodes you DID watch may have been from those two seasons. It seems very likely that they were.

In the end, the four of them, along giving each other a hard time most of the time (it's what friends do), care about each other. Penny loves them and they love Penny. They're like family. try watching it from the beginning, you'll probably have a better attitude towards it.

I have not watched IT Crowed.

Since this is a Frasier thread now:
I have never seen the show, but heard good stuff about it: Should I just watch it or would it be better if I first watched Cheers? Does the show hold up or is it not worth watching anymore?

>>21315725
>>21315725
like i already said
I saw all episodes and I endorse your opinion.

to me it seams like BrBa is the only show that shows education and being educated is an advantage

Having not watched this show in over a year I decided to catch up. Why have the last two seasons begun to focus more on these girls than the original cast?

The majority of episodes seem to be about one or more of the female characters getting upset and the males having to perform some task/ learn some lesson on how to manipulate/be manipulated to make them happy again. Insert a few references to "Nerd culture" and the episodes complete.

Also in watching almost 50 episodes in quick succession highlighted to me that there's not a single likeable character. Everyone is selfish, lying, untrustworthy and mocking of every other character.

>>21315419

an example of Arthur being intellectual: www[dat]youtube[dat]com/watch?v=tQdWBsGE6uY

>when he says "I'd rather die"
>His face when he smashes the chips

Funniest dude on TV

>>21315871
>Gale was killed for being too educated.

>>21315846

I'd say that Cheers and Frasier are two entirely different things. Cheers would hold up for people who watched it at the time and would still be funny today, but Frasier is on a different level.

With very few exceptions most episodes have great plots that intermingle perfectly, often resulting in superb payoffs.

>>21315772
>There was that one episode where... it doesn't count.
It counts if part of the show and it use the same underlying theme and subconscious themes for viewer gratification.

Because like with standard sitcoms, they aren't characters so much as they're stereotypes or archetypes. In one episode Penny berates Leonard because the time machine they've bought makes her late for work. The meaning communicated is that as you so helpfully pointed out Leonard who is the "good" nerd the viewers should like is the one who wants to get rid of all his hobbies to better conform to what Penny might like (despite her having someone). This tells the viewer "Be like Leonard and don't be yourself!"

In another episode this idea that Leonard having an actual character is immediately cast aside when a new girl moves in and she uses all the guys (even Leonard) for favors. Whats horrible about that episode is that its resolved when Penny physically fights the new girl and so she can take care of the four intelligent characters to needing to be babied and taken care of by the responsible, normal Penny. Intelligence isn't what determines someone will be used, it's confidence.

Do you see how it goes? This is how semiotic analysis works. Look at your conclusion of it, you view them as a family and its warmly generalized as pleasant but they aren't a real family. They are fictional characters WRITTEN to do things.

Without having seen all the seasons I'm willing to bet that Penny, who is supposed to be the character the viewer relates to, is the one who brings them all together and validates them and resolves the conflicts if she's relevant to the plot.