Alien VS Predators:

Suddenly, it only takes a few minutes for aliens to come bursting out of hosts after impregnation...

That was retarded.

Does anyone out there actually like the idea of mixing predators and aliens? I personally HATE movies about "this VS that" but AVP, the first one, wasn't TOO bad, and it made an effort to make sense, ancient aliens theory and the likes, although all this shit tends to demystify the alien creature, which is too bad. By Alien 4, it has become simply an animal.

>>20731040
>At the end, Ripley finds the alien, which moves, and then doesn't attack her. Why is this? In my opinion, the creature was asleep and simply moved during its sleep; this would explain why Ripley sings a lullaby afterwards (not just to encourage herself, but to make it explicit that she wants the creature to keep sleeping).

Nigga is you serious? The Xeno didn't attack her because it knew it needed her to survive. It doesn't know how to operate the escape pod, so killing her would only fuck it over. That's why it was so reluctant to go after her.

>>20731088
AvP the vidya games are very good, the movies suck

reported for spoilers you fucking idiot

didn't like Alien and Aliens because they had happy endings.

if the entire cat of Prometheus doesn't die I'll rage.

>They've colonised that subplanet where they found the derelict and have been there for over 20 years: is it possible that nobody knew there was a giant alien spaceship in there? Hardly believable, therefore the company must have known and encouraged the colonisation for that exact purpose, which seems to be further indicated by the fact that this company guy was the one to send the colons to the derelict. Why wait 20 years to do this, though?
did you even pay attention to the movie? nobody knew it was there until Ripley told Burke about it, who told the colonists to go into the ship.

>>20731100

Even when it became obvious she was about to blow it away?

Besides, if you are correct, why did the creature move when it was in hiding? Wouldn't it make more sense to stay hidden, unbeknownst to her?

And what about the lullabye she sings to it?

>>20731129

It's a thread about DISCUSSIONS on the alien movies; it's expected that spoilers will abound... Just don't read the thread if you haven't seen these movies and go watch them immediately.

>>20731149
So edgy.

>>20731100
The queen could use the elevator but c'mon, a thought process like this in a simple alien warrior ?

i'm pretty sure you're trolling but what i don't get is in alien 3 how did the pods get into their space shuttle?

>>20731149

You haven't paid attention to either this movie or the previous one:

>even in Alien, the company already knew of the derelict and the alien species, since they changed the ship's doctor for the android, whose mission it was to bring back the alien

You're welcome.

>crew expendable

There's a reason for that

Prometheus also makes it clear the company, Weyland-Yutani, knew of it beforehand.

>>20731149
>happy ending
>nearly everyone dead

EDGY N DARK CRAWLING IN MY SKIN

>>20731129
if you haven't seen the alien movies yet you shouldn't be on /tv/.

spoilers are for movies that have been made in the last 20 years.

The xenomorph in Alien was already hibernating, but then he got disturbed, so it took him some time to start moving. At least that's what I always assumed.

>>20731114
>20mm cannon
>Rockets
>Flamethrower
>Laser

Fuck you aliens.

>>20731191

Not the anon you're answering, but by the first movie, there was no "warrior" alien; the alien was the only form of it beside the facehugger, and the alien wrapped its victims in gooey stuff which turned them into eggs, directly. That queen stuff and antlike system was a later addition.

You can check the outtake on YouTube where Ripley finds Dallas cocooned and slowly turning into eggs.

The alien creature, in the first movie, might very well have been capable of intelligent reasoning beyond what the aliens of the second movie did.

Besides, even then, the aliens are never shown to be stupid.

>>20731248

Hibernating? What makes you think aliens even hibernate?

>Aliens

>Why wait 20 years to do this, though?

At the beginning of the movie the guy explains that terraforming takes decades. They wouldn't immediately go to the alien ship as soon as they land, that's what they did in the first movie. Plus the time it takes to ship everything to the planet.

Alien 3:

>How many eggs in the shuttle?

Two. One to impregnate Ripley and set the fire that killed Newt and Hudson, and one to impregnate the dog. A better question is how did the queen manage to get those eggs there when she separated her egg laying organ from herself clearly at the end of the last movie?

>>20731324

No, Burk explicitly says "There have been people on this planet for over 20 years."

If you're going to colonise a planet, you'd notice a derelict like this; we didn't wait to colonise Mars to map it.

>At the end, Ripley finds the alien, which moves, and then doesn't attack her. Why is this?

It was to emphasize the alien-ness of the creature. Its behaviour isn't supposed to be normal. For example, when it rapes Lambert.

>Why wait 20 years to do this, though?

57 years, more like. They were waiting for the Nostromo to get back. The colonists were their backup plan.

And your last question can be answered with:

>plothole caused by problems in production

>>20731248
i thought she hurt it with gas or something like that so it wasn't 100%

>>20731324

>A better question is how did the queen manage to get those eggs there when she separated her egg laying organ from herself clearly at the end of the last movie?

I wondered the same, and one possible answer is that the apparatus isn't required to lay eggs, just facilitates mass production of eggs.

>>20731181
>>20731224
what the fuck is this 'edgy' crap?

>>20731218
because Cameron is a fucking idiot who can't even get the name of Weylan-Yutani right.

the only likely explanation is that it was forgotten in the bureaucracy in the 50+ years after Alien.

>>20731374

The gas comes afterwards.

>>20731381

Weyland-Yutani. I doubt the name even appears in the first movie, but I could be wrong.

>>20731410
>Weyland-Yutani. I doubt the name even appears in the first movie, but I could be wrong.
yes it does appear in the first film, and it's Weylan-Yutani.

Has Cameron given any credible explanation as to the change of aliens? What's with that new cranium design and all?

It seems to me Cameron turned a mysterious, powerful creature into an ant-like army of drones.

I'm not sure the alien was supposed to be easily disposed of with just guns.

>>20731450

Why does every movie afterwards write it Weyland?

>>20731278
I don't know, it just seems like something they would do. As I said, this is my opinion and I'm not forcing it on anyone.
For all I know, it was a decision by filmmakers to give Ripley a chance to do something. If the alien sprung to action as soon as he was disturbed, Ripley would be dead.

the only reason how the eggs could have gotten onto the pod was because bishop made it so.
keep away from dem droids y'all

>>20731460
because Cameron is fucking retarded. and they wonder why some consider it to be a separate canon.

hell, Aliens works better a standalone film.

>>20731154

Yea it would have made sense to stay hidden, but like another anon said, she probably unwittingly disturbed it and its hand shooting out was a reflex action.

My point still stands though, that it doesn't immediately kill Ripley because it knows it needs her alive to survive. Why do you think it does that little show of extending it's second mouth and shit to her? It was a way of saying "hey bitch, I could have already murdered you, so don't fuck with me and I won't fuck with you."

The lullaby is something she sings to herself, to calm herself down. Considering the actions of the alien throughout the rest of the film, do you really think that Ripley's plan would be to sing it to sleep? It murdered her entire crew in cold blood. She's not stupid, and neither is the Alien for that matter.

Honestly I'm just astounded you actually got this idea in your head in the first place. I always thought the mechanics of this scene were painfully obvious. Or you could be trolling, in which case 10/10.

>>20731452

I think it's mentioned on the dvd that the ones in Aliens are a the warrior species or some crap like that.

>>20731324
>>20731376
i always assumed "The Company" placed the eggs there in route, and the crash was just an accident.

>>20731478

Bishop took some eggs? Sounds plausible, after all, he's made by the company, although in that movie and the next, he seems a cool dude.

>>20731462

The alien hardly ever sprung into action in the first movie. One time it was just sitting at the bottom of some stairs. Another it was just standing there while two people screamed and waited for it to kill them. Another time it was staring at a light. Another time it was staring at a cat.

>>20731515
>Another it was just standing there while two people screamed and waited for it to kill them

It was too busy thinking about what way it was going to rape Lambert.

>>20731514
Perfect alibi
First droid -> an asshole
second droid -> cool motherfucker
It could also explain why she hates the creator of bishop in the third movie

>In my opinion, the creature was asleep and simply moved during its sleep

The alien tumbled out onto the floor.

Then it stood up.

Yeah, definitely sleeping.

>>20731505

Singing a lullabye isn't something I thought of as a "plan", but just as a gut-reaction intended to calm herself through (in her imagination) calming or keeping the creature asleep, the same way you encourage your bowling ball to "turn left a little more" when it's on its way. That's not a plan, just a remnant of magic thinking.

If the creature is as smart as you claim, it probably knows the ship is on cruise-control and Ripley won't pilot it at all, so she's not required and it can kill her.

If anyone has the script, I'd love to read that part.

Also this:

>just because someone has ideas you never thought of doesn't mean you're more intelligent for it

>>20731577

I think he's talking about when its arm raised up in the air.

>>20731547

What is that about raping Lambert? Explain.

>cat
>on a spaceship
>smell of catpiss on everything for years
Seriously fuck that. Cats fucking stink.

Also, did they have little cat-sleepers or something?

>>20731569

She hates Weyland because they're trying to use the alien creature as a bioweapon and made her crew expendable and sacrificed hundreds in the process and etc.

>>20731606

I'm just talking about the way the Aliens tail rises up between her legs. It was like it was about to fuck her with it. I'm pretty sure it didn't but I think they way it looked was intentional.

>>20731626
She didn't hate bishop in the 2nd movie she had complete trust in him.

>>20731577

It stretched its arm, it never stood up or anything. You're remembering wrong, sir.

>>20731633

Skip to 1:20 if you need your memory refreshed on what I'm talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzRXrPl-OoA

>>20731633

Yes, that was intentional. Alien's head is originally a penis; alien's double-jaw is a penis meant to penetrate; the facehugger is oral rape. Everything is intended.

The writer even said he was "going for the males" in the audience. The irony is that women are far more scared of the alien because of these things; my mother cannot watch it at all because it reminds her too much of childbirth and rape and all that stuff.

Sexist writer failed. It's also why the sole human survivor is a female.

>>20731686

I rewatched it a few weeks ago, I remember now.

>>20731615
Wasn't the cat sleeping together with Ripley?

>>20731585

>If the creature is as smart as you claim, it probably knows the ship is on cruise-control and Ripley won't pilot it at all, so she's not required and it can kill her.

Doubtful. It probably only equated "human = ship control," without getting much more specific than that. Even if you go with your assumption that the xeno knew about the cruise control, then it would also be legit to assume that it knew about docking procedures, etc. Which is pretty ludicrous if you ask me.

The xeno simply reasoned that Ripley alive was better than Ripley dead. Again, the actions of the xeno in this scene are so out of character compared to the rest of the film (in which it did not hesitate to kill) that the only logical conclusion is that it wanted Ripley alive.

>just because someone has ideas you never thought of doesn't mean you're more intelligent for it

I never thought of it because it makes no sense.

>>20731721

Yeah, it's Jones. He appears in Aliens for a bit.

Question: how much time between Alien 2 and 3?

57 years between the first and second, I think.

>>20731737

It makes no sense that a creature might occasionally sleep?

It makes no sense that a creature might move in its sleep?

It makes sense that the creature would reveal its hiding without doing anything about it?

No. Your ideas make no sense here.

Question one: I haven't even thought about that til now, maybe it was "well I'm in the pod now I'll show my food I'm here, might as well since she's the last one"

Question two: That has allot of logic, still cameron states that the basis of the script was an earlier script (or draft) he wrote called mother. So basically he was thinking make my own movie who cares about logic between the first and this one, besides he didn't envision alien to become a franchise and even if he did I don't think it matters really (just to us fanboys). The bottom line is to make money.

Last question: part A: 2 eggs, all of the eggs where in the sulaco one facehugger got to rippley and the other wanted to get to newt but could not but it did manage to get into the escape pod, what I didn't get was that rippleys criotube was not disturbed like newts, how the hell did the face hugger get her. Part B: that really bugged me when I saw it in theaters I was like "how the hell did eggs get to the locker room when the queen didin't even leave the cargo hold, the how did it lay them with no egg sack didn't bother me, since in ants you destroy the eggsac you kill the queen.

>>20731452
Cameron liked the workings under the dome so he used it instead of the original...

>>20731737

>xeno

Fuck off. Xenomorphs can be ANYTHING if you know the meaning of the word. It's only Cameron fanboys who call the alien that.

>>20731777

They changed the skull because the smooth version would get too dirty during the action; that's the official explanation, but it explains very little.

Another explanation might be that huggers "choose" what type of alien to impregnate hosts with depending on the situation.

>slightly fucked by the "super facehugger" theory, though

>>20731699
original script only had men.

Anyone interested in what Alien 3 might have been? I found a script for it that was given up, in which Hicks survives.

>>20731767

see >>20731505
>My point still stands though, that it doesn't immediately kill Ripley because it knows it needs her alive to survive. Why do you think it does that little show of extending it's second mouth and shit to her? It was a way of saying "hey bitch, I could have already murdered you, so don't fuck with me and I won't fuck with you."

>>20731779
I use the term out of convenience, calm down. It's easier to type than "the creature" or "the alien" and is more descriptive than "it."

>>20731842

Did you hear about the one that was going to be set on a wooden planet created by monks?

>>20731842
Alien 3 is widely regarded as the biggest clusterfuck of a production in recent history. there was a lot of things it was intended to be. at one point it was going to take place on a planet made entirely out of wood.

>>20731853

Yes. Lol'd a bit, although that's almost exactly what it ended up being. I wish alien 3 had had more religious stuff, they're supposed to be monks, you don't even see a cross in the movie, except in OP's pic, and it's only a suggested cross, not a real one.

Too bad, they missed many opportunities to have a unique medieval-sci-fi movie, and deep dialogues about God and the nature of the alien and the meaning of life and death and everything, and sex also. Too bad.

>>20731863

Yes, Fincher even left at one point, and they shot the rest without him, with a wholly different crew, in California.

Crunchy trivia:

The original egg was supposed to have a slit opening, resembling that of a vagina. But when the production team saw it, they decided against it. Giger, to take the piss, decided to turn the vulva opening into a cross opening, as a snicker at the comment that "many of the countries where we'll sell the movie are Catholic nations".

"I'll give them the cross they like so much."

Anyone else a little sad that the space jockey will no longer be a mystery? I'm excited for Prometheus but still it'll be sad to have an answer to arguably one of the biggest mysteries in film.

>>20731949

I'm really excited to find out, and somewhat concerned. I hope it won't be stupid. I'd rather a mystery than a stupid ass explanation. Either way, the original space jockey was MEANT to be a mystery, so even with the explanation, you still know it was made up afterwards.

The aliens WILL appear in Prometheus, but not much.

My question is this: considering the "eggs" in the movies, which are more like artificially made vials and such, what is the connection? What are the fucking aliens? Bioweapons designed by the space jockey's civilisation? What is the derelict?

Prometheus is the titan who gave mankind divine fire. So I guess there'll be a lot of Ancient Aliens theory in that movie, but where do the aliens fit in this?

Maybe the alien is the "snake" Adam and Eve were warned about?

Maybe trying to learn new technology from it is like biting the apple? Maybe Ripley was a saint?

>>20731890
You just pulled this out of your ass.

>Ripley
>Ridley

>>20732055

No, I'm dead fucking serious. Production wasn't happy with the movie as it was and much of it was missing; they finished shooting it in California, whereas 70% of it was shot in England with Fincher.

They even made a wig for Ripley because she didn't want to shave her head again. All this is documented and I watched a documentary on all of it on YouTube. Not hard to find.

>>20732058

>>20731949
the space jockey?

>>20732226

Anyone have a comparison picture between the original and "new" xenos?

>>20732254
the hell is that?

>>20732082
on the documentaries in the quadrilogy set they made a bald cap because they changed the ending, they even shoot more stuff?

>>20732268

The space jockey.

>>20732330
useful.

>>20732339

You've already read >>20731949. Notice the word >mystery

>>20732371
There's gotta be more to it than just some random drawn picture, though? I can't imagine even the most rabid fanboy would bother with something that had no more information than some random art.

>>20732404
>random drawn picture
>random art

What? It's in the movie. Have you watched Alien?

>>20732430
Oh it's in the movie? yeah I've watched Alien, don't remember that though.

>>20732495

Oh I see. There is actually a lot of people who forget about him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMPXIcB1huM

>>20732326

Yes, the "assembly cut" had an ox and not a dog to be the host; there are scenes that got cut where they capture the alien and one of the prisoners free it. There are many loose ends in the movie as it came out because they cut off stuff from the "original" which wasn't meant to be a finished movie, but just a version to show the studio how far they were.

After that, they decided new things and reshot scenes and such in California. Fincher got mad and left.