www.votingisworthless.com

>>2043958
Yes but 2 pepsis > 1 coke.

who is the coke and who is the pepsi?

>>2043958
D:

>>2043957
Lies.

OP is only voting for McCain because he's white. If you don't vote for Obama you have to be a racist. His polices have no room for argument.

>>2043963
Not really. Pepsi is horrible.

pepsi does suck. coke is way better

Thanks for saving me a fuckload of money Obama.
I look forward to taking a cruise to Hawaii.
Picture very related.

>>2044013
Enjoy when you are laid off by your employer because they don't have the means to pay you.

>>2043971
Truth, all McCain supporters are backwater white trash who have no perspective whatsoever on the situation in America

>>2044015
Yes, because he had to pay more tax your boss laid you off so he could still aford a marble bathroom for the guesthouse.

>>2043966
McCain is a glass of water from the Gulf of Mexico, Obama is chocolate milk. Chocolate milk is fucking awesome.

>>2044015
>>Enjoy when you are laid off by your employer because they don't have the means to pay you.

How many small businesses are still considered SMALL when they make OVER HALF A MILLION DOLLARS annually, which is the point at which they will be taxed higher by Obama?

Don't fuck around with the facts. Obama's tax plan taxes the RICH. Only the wealthiest of small business would be affected, and even then a slight bump in the taxes sure as shit won't make them lay anyone off.

D: SWEEPING GENERALIZATION!
R: STRAW MAN
I: ntfsa...

>>2044013
Someone explain this to me, I'm not up to date with the candidates. What does that graph mean?

>>2044067
I think this is more accurate.

>>2044067
Pick your income on the left column. I make $22K, so my bracket is $18m982 to $37,595.

Now look to the right. The red column shows you how much of a tax reduction McCain will give you. For me, it is -0.5%. That isn't a lot.

Keep going right. The blue column shows you how much of a tax reduction Obama will give you. For me that is -3.6%. That is a huge fucking improvement.

Notice that only the richest, people making over $600,000 yearly, get increased taxes. That isn't socialism, that is just taxing a segment of the population that can afford it.

Also notice near the bottom, that the smallest incomes make up 60% of taxpayers. That is most of us. We get the biggest tax break from Obama.

McCain is hardly touching taxes for the poor and middle class, and giving huge tax cuts to the rich.

There is an online calculator too:
http://alchemytoday.com/obamataxcut/

>>2044067

Obama's tax plan boasts a tax cut for 95% of America, with $250,000 a year being the cut-off line for cuts. Those lowest in income will receive the biggest cuts. After $250,000 Obama will increase tax rates which are currently at 36%, and will slightly increase them to 39%. Small business owners aren't all that informed about the tax increases and are freaking out about having to pay more, even though the huge majority of small businesses don't even make more than $250,000 a year.

What about the War on Iraq? Both of them will still stay in the country.

Obama: Will drag it's feet via gradual withdrawal until 2011
McCain: He's explicitly stated that troops will stay in Iraq for at least 100 years. He might as well annex Iraq and offer Iraqi's American citizenship.

(inb4 lesser of two evils argument)

I want Obama to win so when this country pummeled to the ground, the black people wouldn't have to blame whitey.

>>2044067

>>2044112

I'm an Obamafag and even I think that 100 years statement was taken waaay out of context. He wasn't saying he would make our troops stay there for literally 100 years, he was simply making a point about how he would keep them until he absolutely felt it was the right time to pull them out.

Obama is proposing a 16 month withdrawal timetable that the Iraqi prime minister has supported, and has even been consistent with Gen. Petraeus' recommendation for withdrawal.

>>2044113
But Obama is half white.

>>2044113
Obama is half white. The black community would just disown him or something.

>>2044112
Exactly right. John McCain says we will not leave Iraq until we are the winners - but you can't win an occupation.

All you can do is count your losses and go home, or prolong it and waste more American lives and taxpayer dollars. McCain's goal of winning means prolonging the war indefinitely.

Iraq will be a bloody fucking civil war and/or invasion whenever we leave, whether it be in four years or in fourteen. We might as well leave sooner rather than later. I don't know what the fuck John McCain is thinking.

>>2044121
They always find a way.

NET NEUTRALITY WOO

American politics... You're running up a huge deficit, your economy is tanking hard and your answer is to give out tax breaks lol. How long before toilet paper is worth more than your dollar and a cup of coffee takes $10000 to purchase?

I'm mostly voting Obama to keep Palin as far away from the presidency as possible.

I'm mostly voting McCain to keep Obama as far away from the presidency as possible.

>>2044160
You sir, are a wise american.

>>2044160

This. Would it really be that strange if McCain had a heart attack within the next for years?

Imagine GOSH WE GOTTA FIGHT'N WIN THIS WAR Y'ALL as president. No fucking way.

>>2044208
Why are you people such pessimists?

>>2044175
I am never putting a FUCKING WHORE in the White House. NOT EVER. I would give up everything I had before some cocksucking cum dumpster slathered in makeup who can't keep her legs closed long enough to stop having children becomes the fucking President of the United States.

BROS BEFORE HOES.

I'll take a black man over Grandpa and his primped up slut ANY FUCKING DAY. Do you have any fucking idea what kind of ideas having a female VP will give women?

>>2044226

Fucking Bush and his mob for 8 years. I always expect the worst.

Hell if anyone is going republican this year, give the option to vote Bush. At least you will know what you are getting.

>>2044244
>>Hell if anyone is going republican this year, give the option to vote Bush.

You can check "McCain" on the ballot if you want that option.

i might've voted mccain but palin broke the camel's back, seriously, she's as dumb as a sack of hammers. and the way things have been going with his campaign and the rest of the country i just voted straight democrat to punish republicans because they're straight up dumbfucks.

Why vote? The popular vote isn't what votes in the President. It is only the Electoral Vote that counts and you have nothing to do with that in the Presidential election.

well thats a relief, seeing as how the electorate favors obama, its a good thing all the backwater un-educated white trash that support mccain dont get a voice in politics

actually it might be useful to convince conservative retards that bush can serve a 3rd term if they do a write-in vote. that'll do a good job wasting votes that would've gone to mccain.

fact if the american people would stop being jews and all pay the 8% tax without right offs country would balance itself out in 5 years

personally i blame evangelicals for the whole retarded McCain situation, it was obvious from the start that Mitt Romney had the economy credentials and that would have been a huge advantage for him but because the butthurt super-christ fags couldn't handle a mormon he lost out and repubs were left with the pile of crap that is the mccain palin ticket, hell even i would have voted for romney if i thought he could run america's business effectively

>>2044274
In 2000, I voted for Al Gore. Gore won the popular vote, but lost the Electoral vote. It seems the people's votes doesn't count.

I'll never fucking vote again. There's no fucking point at all.

So by early November can we just go ahead and rename this board "Politics"?

>>2044295
after the election no one will care. why dont we just rename it politics till Nov. 5th?

>>2044295
I'm down with that.

3/4 of this thread is fucking retarded and knows nothing about the history of either candidate, but then I remembered I was in /tv/.

>>2044274
Because people have to be heard, whether they're going to change anything, or even if they're right or wrong.

>>2044291
It isn't that your vote didn't count, it is that there was widespread voting fraud at the hands of the GOP. They deliberately defrauded hundreds of thousands of votors. Minorities, the elderly, young voters. They are trying to do the same thing this time with ACORN, but the Supreme Court told them to go fuck themselves.

Your vote DOES count. We Americans have to be vigilant in voting and protecting our vote. I will be first to say not enough has still yet been done to fix the problem, but we can't stop voting just because some conservative faggots threw it for Bush using tactics that landed their own people in jail.

This is not a Democracy! This is a Socialist Republic!

I'll just let that sink in for a while.

>>2044291
Some states changed that and have it so the winner of the popular vote gets the electoral votes.

I find it retarded that people are not voting for Obama because they do not TRUST him.

I get you each have morals and blah blah blah

but whether you trust him or not is not the issue here. The issue is do you think, i know i know Americans don't think, he would be a good president. Can his policies actually hold up to scrutiny unlike Mc. Cain's?
fact: people are afraid of nice people, it's kind of retarded

>>2044324
>>Your vote DOES count.

What does it count for? It shows who we like, and nothing else, because we aren't the ones who decide it, in the end. This is not defeatism, its the procedure.

>>2044335
No, actually they passed a law that says the Electoral is supposed to vote for the same as their state's popular vote, but they don't have to and when they don't all they get is a fine. A rather small fine and threats to not get certain aid for certain things. But, if they're anti-vote wins then they don't get fined.

Shit still sucks.

ITT: People that didn't listen in high school and can't tell between the popular vote and the electoral vote.

>>2044348
The people tell the states who they want, and then the states tell the federal government who they want.

I don't care what people say, I don't care who wins. The fact we still have an Electoral college is GOOD.

>>2044366
>they're.... their

fixed :/

>>2044348
>>2044291
Go back to fucking middle school, nigger.

>>2044383
shit troll 0/10

>>2044390
They are correct, sadly.

It's defeatism shit like this that put Bush in the White House and allowed Nader to suck up votes.

Vote. Do what is right for your country. Pick the lesser of two evils. But if you sit on your ass and do nothing, or vote for some third-party fucker who will never win, you are just throwing your votes away.

I can't stress this enough for Democrats. If you feel you got fucked in the last two elections (we all did) sitting this one out is just aiding McCain. Don't fucking let that happen again.

>>2044366
Oh damn, I thought it was a requirement that they align with the popular vote. Didn't know they had leeway there. That does suck.

>>2043957

Barack Obama stars in "Shades of Grey" directed by John Woo.

Lines blur. Justice doesn't.

My fellow Americans:

As your future President I want to thank my supporters, for your mindless support of me, despite my complete lack of any legislative achievement, my pastor's relations with Louis Farrakhan and Libyan dictator Moamar Quadafi, or my blatantly leftist voting record while I present myself as some sort of bi-partisan agent of change.

I also like how my supporters claim my youthful drug use and criminal behavior somehow qualifies me for the Presidency after 8 years of claiming Bush's youthful drinking disqualifies him. Your hypocrisy is a beacon of hope shining over a sea of political posing.

I would also like to thank the Kennedy's for coming out in support of me. There's a lot of glamour behind the Kennedy name, even though JFK started the Vietnam War,his brother Robert illegally wiretapped Martin Luther King, Jr. and Teddy killed a female employee with whom he was having an extra marital affair and who was pregnant with his child. And I'm not going anywhere near the cousins, both literally and figuratively. And I'd like to thank Oprah Winfrey for her support. Her love of meaningless empty platitudes will be the force that propels me to the White House.

Americans should vote for me, not because of my lack of experience or achievement, but because I make people feel good. Voting for me causes some white folk to feel relieved of their imagined, racist guilt.
I say things that sound meaningful, but don't really mean anything because Americans are tired of things having meaning. If things have meaning,then that means you have to think about them. Americans are tired of thinking. It's time to shut down the brain, and open up the heart. So when you go to vote in the fall election, remember don't think, just do. And do it for me.

>>2044424

My fellow AmericHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGH!

>>2044409
HOLY FUCKING SHIT! Dude, were you even fucking there for the 2000 election!? Al Gore fucking WON More people voted for him than Bush.

AL GORE FUCKING WON THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION!

WAIT! My bad, Al Gore only won our votes. The people's votes, you, me, your family, who ever voted for him that is. But, that doesn't count. Your vote doesn't actually count. why? Because the Electoral Colleges' votes are the only thing that actually count. They decide who is elected.

Here, read this:

"Rather than directly voting for the President and Vice President, United States citizens cast votes for electors. Electors are technically free to vote for anyone eligible to be President, but in practice pledge to vote for specific candidates[2] and voters cast ballots for favored presidential and vice presidential candidates by voting for correspondingly pledged electors.[3] " - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)

This image is from here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2000

>>2044414
I guess you missed the 2000 election huh? People were PISSED. In the eyes of many people, the government lost a great deal of integrity. Oh, but that was changed during 9/11.

>>2044424
YES, EXACTLY. THIS THIS THIS THIS.

LET'S VOTE FOR MCCAIN. WE NEED A CROTCHETY OLD MAN WHO FOUGHT IN YESTERDAY'S WAR AND IS NOW PLAYING ON OUR FEARS, IGNORANCE AND HATRED.

stop the nazi argument, you parrot fuck

>>2044424
ok so he does not have experience been noted.

wait he's friends with countries that currently hate us, dear god we don't want good relations with other countries, FUCKING OBAMA!!! RAGESKANDIAIDAS.

I vote for Obama because he at least gives some facts, where as all of Mc. Cain's plans are just some bullshit idealist thing to appeal to the common simpleton who do not understand how economics works

>>2044425
And then Palin becomes president right?

Don't worry folks, the only people backing mccain on /tv/ are underage neo-nazis who can't actually vote.

>>2044430
If you understood how our democracy worked this wouldn't blow your mind. Also, Bush was not the first president to win this way. We do this so that the majority can't always dictate to the minority.

>>2044444
>he at least gives some facts

No, he just tell's sheep like you want he thinks you WANT to hear.

>>2044451

First she poses for Playboy. THEN she becomes president..

That damn 9/11.

>>2044459

And McCain doesn't?

>>2044456
>our democracy

BZZZTTTT! This is a republic actually. Enjoy flipping burgers with that education.

>>2044430
No, the Supreme Court decided that. Yes, I was there, and I was very fucking upset.

>>2044470
True that. Had it not happened I'm 100% sure Bush wouldn't have had a second term.

>>2044459
>>No, he just tell's sheep like you want he thinks you WANT to hear.

And McCain wrapping himself in the Flag, the Bible, using the fear of 9/11, of "foreigners" and "terrorism" isn't telling the Conservatives exactly what they want to hear?

Seriously dude, compared to Obama, McCain has been speaking in generalities like crazy. Have you noticed that not ONE of his advertisements say why he is better than Obama, just that we should be afraid of Obama? Did you notice in all the political discussions, McCain supporters can never say WHY McCain is better, just that Obama is worse?

>>2044459
actually economic experts choose OBama's plan over Mc. Cain's by a landslide; let me go find the article


Experts > you

"They say a liberal is just a conservative that's never been mugged"

The only thing I've heard from McCain is, "I'm right, he's wrong, let me tell you about the time I stood on the bank's of the Delaware River and tossed a wooden nickle across it for the hope of the common people and Joe the Simpleton. Some time after than in 1804 I decided too....ZZZZzzzzzZZZzzzzzzzzZZZZzzz"

>>2044489
they say that they support Mc. Cain because they can't trust Obama

>>2044494
Don't forget his senior moment opening to that statement:

"MY FELLOW PRISONERS!"

McCain is losing his marbles.

>>2044475
We have a democratic republic, we practice democracy, thus, our democracy.

>>2044430
So essentially, whichever party manages to get the largest number of elector moles across the country wins?

And why is there even a popular vote if it doesn't do anything? For the lulz?

>>2044499
>>they say that they support Mc. Cain because they can't trust Obama

Stop reverse trolling, I already fucking said that. You keep making posts that miss the point or state something that is already said. Are Republicans really this stupid?

>>2044512
It guides the electors. They aren't going to go against the popular vote if the election isn't really close. If you recall, the 2000 election was a close race.

>>2044430
Yeah, that's how the electoral college works, fuckface. One of the things it's there for is to safeguard against some dickeater (see:Gore) from getting too many votes from too few states. Being 10 states behind, Gore shouldn't have even gotten as close to winning as he did.

>>2044511
Socialist Republic. Go back to high school.

>>2044499
Why would anyone not be able to trust Obama?

>>2044512
The popular vote is to guide (Not determine) the electoral vote.
See >>2044528

>>2044517
Biggest bunch of horseshit I've heard on /tv/.

10/10 I'd rage again.

America, where votes don't count because some states are smaller than others.

>>2044517
Keyword being "guides", as I understand it they're still free to do whatever the fuck they want. Say Obama wins the popular vote 80 to 20, but the electors still vote McCain, what are you gonna do then?

"Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating state or collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and the creation of an egalitarian society.[1][2] "

Government buying up debt and taking control of banks? Yup, socialist republic.

lol america.

you fail at having a coherent election system, yet you force every other country you don't like to use your fail version of 'democracy'.

>>2044534
His ties to Terrorists lol

they believe he's muslim, GO 4chan !! anyone have that copy pasta by the way

-they think he's fake, too nice = not being real while if your a total dick your normal GO MC. CAIN

and that's it as far as i can see

>>2044542
BAWWW hard is what. lol

>>2044528
The people voted, he won. It's pretty cut and dry. Some states have a lot of electoral votes, some don't. Some have more people, some don't. Your logic is flawed.

>>2044552
why don't just let everybody who can vote to do so, and at the end count the total votes?

what is wrong with that!?

I can hear the sound of people rifling through google searches and wikipedia articles to come up with ammo for this thread.

>>2044561
because then the government couldn't elect who they want and make it seem legit

Notice the republicans care about the popular vote and not the electoral college this time?

Yeah.....

>>2044561
>why don't just let everybody who can vote to do so, and at the end count the total votes?

That's the way it was for a long time. Then for some reason they decided to make the electoral colleges.

>>2044534
Still waiting for troll to respond.

>>2044456
>We do this so that the majority can't always dictate to the minority

Way to fucking miss the whole point of VOTING. Holy shit, did you get dropped on your head when your were hatched?

Electoral College is outdated. It was good back in the day when it actually protected smaller states. Now, all it does is penalize the popular opinion of the nation.

More people in your state vote for A than B, and you voted for B, your vote doesn't count.

>>2044569
DING! DING! DING!

Its really sad how it works now. You have a state full of voters. Do the candidates go there? No, they go next door to the state with more electoral votes but less people.

The whole system makes some people worth more based solely on where they live.

Now that is fucking Un-American.

Let's vote for McCain.

So when he has a heart attack we get President MOM!

And when shit goes down it'll be hilarious to see how she handles it!

Coming to a theater near you.

>>2044595
>the state with more electoral votes but less people.

It doesn't work that way, Jim.

>>2044595
ELECTORAL VOTES ARE BASED ON POPULATION COUNT

>>2044608
>>2044604

Are you surprised that we might be this stupid?

/tv/ or maybe /obama/

Either way have of you collegefags that vote for this guy will eventually vote for the Republican party, probably when you have people that depend on you to provide for them. Then again, this is /tv/, you'll all die alone and Democrat.

<-Palin vs. Miyamoto

>>2044596
Those shoes were a prop. He's never walked a day in his life.

>>2044625
He actually floats about an inch above the ground

>>2044623
Palin isn't fucking educated

>>2044626
He's Fenchurch?

>>2044626

Crafty, anon.

>>2044622

BAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWW

>>2044631

Shes got a BA, what do you have?

>>2044649
Man, BAs are awesome.

know whats better than a BA? any other four year degree

>>2044655
Yes because BA's are hard to get

2 party system, inderect voting, biased media .... way to fail america, suppostly the most democratic world in the world, HAHAHA .

Palin transfered around to something like 5 or 6 schools before she copped out with a Journalism degree.

The whole time she was doing beauty pageants.

This is the woman you want as VP?

I'm not politically...literate. What is a "straw man".

>>2044702
a man made out of straw, see wizard of oz

I've been listening to NPR lately. It seems the media is really bashing McCain over several things. Not biased bashing, but showing facts about things that McCain seems to have lied about during his campaign. i've never really heard that before on NPR.

NPR = National Public Radio, fyi.

>>2044672
The amount of devotion the core Republican base (ie idiot hicks) heap on her is astounding.

>>2044702

Every see soldiers training on dummy's or straw men? Thats what a straw man attack is in politics. You basically make up something similar or close to your opponents views, and attack that instead of attacking the person on the real facts. Then you basically claim victory on that.

>>2044717
This is the first campaign I can remember that has attacked the media and repeated easily verified lies so consistently. After a while, I think that starts to piss journalists off.

>>2044721
]: I hate America. HATE it. Well, I hate the people. Most of them. It's like they don't know they are as bad as they are.

>>2044717
well it is NPR. They did a short teen speak thing call " what is what" or something like that last month when Supreme Court say DC can't ban guns any more. And that eps have teens say that killing is the new what since D.C. is now gun free and kill is now hip and all that.
I RAGED HARD in my car when i heard it.

>>2044662
I think you've confused a BS with a BA

>>2044736

They're working off the whole "If we say it enough times, the idiots will think its true" doctrine.

The sad thing is there are actually people out there that it works on. Take that woman at the McCain rally that believed Obama was a Muslim.

This is what I see when I imagine a McCain supporter.

>>2044750
I don't understand what you're trying to communicate there.

>>2044764
I see nigras cutting up women when I think of Obama supporters.

>>2044764
That's close, all you're missing is like 200 pounds of fat.

>>2044750
Your NPR is not my NPR. The people in my area donated to different things than what yours did. So, we have different programming than what you do.

THANKFULLY

>>2044764
Oh god, there's a couple near here that are meth users and have done time for making meth. They are HUGE McCain supporters. They named their dogs Palin and McCain.

I about shit myself when I heard them calling them outside.

I made this face.

>>2044765
ok, NPR have this show call day to day around 10am to 11am. they have this weekly segment that allow teen to speak with is on their mind and what is hip and new. The week D.C.'s gun ban was removed by the Supreme Court, the segment with teens was about how shooting and killing is all fine now and it is now hip ad perfect normal.
It literal imply that with the Court's decision now teen can go around shooting and killing each other. And that is what is in today.
Now, you tell me what the hell is going on with the head of program producers when they made that segment.

>>2044793
Dear god I'm glad I don't have that on NPR here. LOL I'd rage too.

>>2044721

Neither will be able to get anything done. LOL BIPARTISANSHIP

PALIN HAS A DEGREE IN SPORTS JOURNALISM

>>2044793
Wow. I don't listen to Day to Day (I stick with This American Life and Radio Lab mostly), but I can see why that would piss you off.

That White Guilt

>>2044596

It is so easy to be spendthrift & look fantastic. I'll bet you could go to kohls and find a jacket that is indistinguishable from that one. hell, she could have even brought it up in one of her stump speeches.

Imagine the effect it would have on her whole "i'm like you campaign" if she was like "i understand the hardships you're going through. hell i bought this jacket on sale at kohls and donchya know i still feel a million bucks"

it's like they don't even care. the gop is just too lazy

>>2044811
Is that true? :/

Palin is a dunderhead

McCain picked her to get a bounce in the polls, not because he actually thinks she could be a good president

FYI: Some morbid actuary went and crunched the numbers regarding McCain (age, previous cancer, time as POW, etc.), and found there's about a 1/3 chance he wouldn't survive a full term in office.

I absolutely refuse to vote to put that woman anywhere near the White House.

>>2044820

You listen to This American Life?

Kill yourself.

>>2044835
Yes. And it took her six years at five colleges to get the thing.

>>2044847
whats this american life and whats wrong with it

>>2044855
>>2044847
Twelve year olds. Seriously.

Haha americans. IM VOTING FOR X BECAUSE Y SUCKS

>>2044841
I can picture it

" now the next president of the United States is BARRACK OBAMA, JUST KIDDING IT'S PRESIDENT MC CAIN. THIS IS FOX NEWS SAYING FUCK YEAH"

"Someone go get John and tell him the good news, he's sleeping in the room 3rd from the top of the stairs"

5 minutes later

"guys i gots bad news; Mc Cain died"

"so that means I get to president now, coolio"

Russia, China, and Iran ally and take over the USA

Barrak gets elected, gets us out of Iraq and we experience peace because all other world leaders love him