I think they would. It does have a pretty high budget from all the original locations i hear about. If this second season shows even a threat of low ratings, the budget will go to crap, and that would probably mean the end of the show.

Also, if you download the show, and genuinely come to like it. BUY IT. Think of your money, like dollar votes. The only way they truly know that you like it, is if you buy it.

Ok Ben.

>300 replies
This thread is about to prove how awesome Parks and Rec is.

You say that, but you haven't read the books. There is a book with no battles and only a few one on one fights. I don't think viewers would have patience.

I DON'T EVEN CARE IF THIS IS A P & R THREAD SORTA, I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR A GOT THREAD ALL DAY.

HBO already said that they'll continue the show as long as they have material from GRRM, so that's 6 seasons+.

It's much more likely to happen than you think. The show's got a colossal budget, and if the next season underperforms even by the slightest amount HBO will probably have enough reason to say that the show isn't earning enough to justify the amount spent on it and can it.

They did the same with Rome, so don't think they're beyond it.

>>18904069

i didn't even know it was a p&r thread. I barely watch tv.... :(

>>18904119

It's a reference to a GOT reference on P&R.

>>18904119

Puddle Racers

>>18904098
Seriously?!

This would be the best news ever.

>>18904098

That was probably to placate fans. Money speaks louder than words... or the lack of money.

>>18904028
i would if i knew when the damn dvds are being released

>>18904157
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT7LDfx7S3w

the dvd selection menu has already been leaked

>>18904109

>The show's got a colossal budget

How about you research this shit before you talk out of your ass?

>>18904198
GoT's looks better spent

>batman's crying

>>18904198

That's not exactly and insignificant number, though.

It'll get cancelled once it gets into the insufferable AFFC & ADWD material.

Unless HBO's writers can butcher it into something enjoyable.

>>18904198

Add to that the fact that GoT finale got better ratings than any episode of Boardwalk Empire season 2 has gotten and the fact that that chart lists "PER EPISODE" costs, and GoT had two episodes less in it's season than Boardwalk Empire and Rome, so the cost difference is larger than what the chart shows.

>>18904270

sorry, *an

>>18904198
John Adams had 7 episodes. GoT is going to have more and the budget will grow with each season as new locations are added

>>18904098
Was that HBO or D&D? What D&D wanna do doesn't matter if HBO isn't willing to give them the money.

But even if they DO cancel it, lets look at the bright side. At the very least we've got a faithful adaptation of the first book, and most likely the second.

>>18904281
>insufferable
Its necessary stuff that ties up loose ends and lays the ground for the next act in the story.

Or are you one of those people who thought Luke on Dagobah was boring and insufferable?

>>18904305

You were supposed to compare it to Boardwalk Empire and Rome, not John Adams.

>Clash of Kings is being marketed as "Game of Thrones Season 2"

That's like saying "The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring Part 3"

Castle actually made a direct reference to GoT a few episodes ago.

>>18904329
lrn2advertising

>>18904281
I doubt it will be as good as ASoS part 2, but there is some really enjoyable material in AFFC. It's only shitty because half the book is in Cersei's POV, and it's coming right off the heels of the insane shit that went down in the previous book.

>>18904281

>insufferable AFFC & ADWD material.

You have absolutely no taste and you should stop it before it gets worse.

The rope is a trusty tool, but a 9mm will do the job as well.

>>18904328
Well my point that the budget will grow still stands. But believe me, I would love to be wrong and see HBO but every book in the series on screen

>>18904196
What the fuck is that?

>>18904329
It's still incredibly faithful to the books. And book 1's title is arguably the most series-relevant one. The phrase "game of thrones" is referenced even up to book 4.

I am so excited for the next season!

>>18904399

Fake DVD screen?

>>18904315

Are you really comparing Luke training with Yoda on Dagobah to Brienne walking around doing nothing for hundreds of pages and Dany ignoring her dragons so she can gush her teenybopper twat over a pirate with a golden tooth for hundreds of pages?

>Are you really doing that?
>Are you really
>Are you
>mfw

>>18904381

Even if it were to grow by 50%, which is humongous growth that is hardly even conceivable, it would still only reach the budget of Boardwalk Empire season 1, and GoT is already commercially more successful than Boardwalk in certain ways.

>>18904109
>They did the same with Rome

But HBO regrets cancelling Rome big time. I'm confident that they will keep that in mind with GoT, and not make the same mistakes.

>>18904448

>Brienne walking around doing nothing

But she was doing something.

>Dany ignoring her dragons so she can gush her teenybopper twat over a pirate with a golden tooth

But that's not what those chapters were about.

Try harder, retard.

>>18904448
Are you really so irritated by character and plot development?

>mfw the filmed series makes everyone appreciate the Dornish to the extent I do

>>18904423
That haircut is the cutest fucking thing holy shit.

So... Do you think the SanSan is gonna kill ratings or increase them, or uh. I dunno, not affect them at all?

>>18904486
Hopefully they don't simply the Dornish into "vaguely middle eastern people in a desert" instead of the truly diverse group they really are.

From the pale Stony Dornish to the olive-skinned Salty Dornish and dark Sandy Dornish.

Clear analogue to medieval Spain, with its mixed Germanic, Latin/Grecian, and Moorish population.

>>18904448

>he actually thinks the "plot" is primary
>he still doesn't realize the "plot" is just a means of telling us about characters and ideas, not an entity by itself

>>18904028
I'll buy it if the DVDs have some good extras. HBO Go lets me rewatch the series as much as I want (which is a lot).

>>18904550
lol it looks like she's about to kiss someone

>>18904380
>>18904315

Do you guys like the Stars Wars prequels too? Because they're on that level of bad and you could make similar arguments for them.

>>18904586
>grasping for straws
0/10

>>18904586
Actually it's the other way around: the people who liked the prequels would probably be bored with AFFC/ADWD because they're "boring".

Looks like you just told yourself. Good job.

>>18904567

Eh, considering they've got plenty of other cultures to do that with on Dany's side, I'm sure the Dornish will be alright.

I mean, so far the series has been fairly faithful. [Apart from suddenly-Summer-Islander-but-not Xaro, which I really don't have too much of a problem with.]

>>18904586

Well, that is a whole new level of empty bullshit.

>>18904485

Absolutely not, I loved Game of Thrones.

>>18904098
>HBO already said that they'll continue the show as long as they have material from GRRM, so that's 6 seasons+.

Yeah, they also told us they weren't really canceling Deadwood and that'd we get a couple mini-movies to wrap up the series.

You stupid, gullible fuck.

>>18904624
A good amount of the characters don't fit the physical descriptions in the books, I could care less about making a character black.

Are many people who have no interest in reading the books watching the show? Is this really just running on the book readers?

>mfw sheeple can't name anything entertaining about AFFC or ADWD

>>18904624

Salladhor Saan is suddenly a Summer Islander too.

>>18904696
>implying they've been asked

They canceled Carnivale and Deadwood, and these two had the lowest budget a show can have.

>>18904696

>sheeple

It's not wise to use this word on the internet if you ever hope to be taken seriously.

>>18904686

I'd find it hard to believe if someone said that the majority of the audience read the books.

>>18904686
Yeah there's a good amount of people who watched the show with no prior knowledge of the books, many of whom started reading after watching the first season.

>>18904696

So whoever likes AFFC and ADWD are sheeple now? The fuck?

>>18904662

I always pictured the Unsullied as completely black. I don't know how much precedence there is to that, however.

>>18904624
>>18904700
Eh, Xaro and Saan I'm not so concerned about. They're singular characters.

Odds are they'll either choose to represent Dorne as diverse or homogeneous, and I hope they do diverse. More interesting, and the vague middle eastern stereotype would get old.

>>18904718

Here is the marvel equivalent of AFFC & ADWD fans.

>>18904696

>best PoV structure in the series (mostly AFFC)
>most beautifully written chapters in the series (Brienne, Theon/Reek)
>Septon Meribald's speech
>Cersei chapters
>Victarion chapters
>Sansa improving from her ASoS counterpart
>Arya improving from her ASoS counterpart
>Samwell improving from his ASoS counterpart

>>18904662

Yeah, that's what I said. I don't really mind. I mean, I guess I'd be really disappointed if, say, they changed things really important to the cultures like.. I dunno, they made the House of the Undying and their warlocks just.. like.. a temple of the Red God? I dunno, wouldn't happen.. But I'd be really butt beleaguered.

>>18904740
>>18904735

Well, I read the books, but I barely like the show. But I'm still going to buy the dvd's just because I'm wanna see something love being brought to life. This is probably the only chance. But that's just me. You're right, it seems unlikely that many people who never read the books genuinely likes the show.

>>18904772
All good points, except I hated Cersei chapters. And I'm not the only one who cringed reading Sam's sex scene am I?

Where does the season 1 leave off book-wise?

>>18904747

Well, they are pretty diverse.

I mean, you're got your Salty Dornish, I'd think they're more Grecian... Your Sandy Dornish, which I'd give a bit of leeway for 'desert ppls' stereotype, and then your Stony Dornish.. uh. White people. Sorta.

>>18904835
I cringe at nearly every sex scene, to be honest

>>18904835
not as much as arya's in SoS

Gendry could hold back no longer. He started to pound her cunt, using long, deep strokes, slapping her ass with his stomach as he fucked her. She moaned hard and louder. Arya didn't want the feeling to end, but she hated Gendry penetrating her at will. 'I could do better than him,' she thought.
She reached back and slapped his balls as he fucked her pussy harder. Gendry stroked her clit, bringing her closer and closer as well. She was afraid she would cum first. 'Fear cuts deeper than swords.' She wouldn't let him win. He would cum first.
"All you're good at is polishing your helmet!" Arya screamed as she slapped his balls again. At that moment Gendry came, filling her tight cunt up and making her shudder with pleasure, and she climaxed with him.
'No,' she thought. 'That's so little cum. I could do it better than him.'
As Arya tried to hide her gasping and shaking from the pleasure, she turned around to Gendry and squealed, "You call that ringing my bells, Gendry?"

>>18904745

GRRM: It was necessary to devote nearly 2000 pages of material following ASOS with mind-numbingly dull depictions of the state of war-torn ruin that westeros is in, and developing the character of an adolescent dragon queen that wants to play doctor with a pirate, I call this little gem the meereenese knot!

BRAVO GEORGE!

>>18904835

>All good points

Well that's...

>except I hated Cersei chapters

No. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck you.

>>18904862
Season 1 covers the first book.

>>18904862

The first Arya chapter from ACOK (second book) is in Season 1 to resolve a cliffhanger, but besides that they followed AGOT exactly. It will get sketchy after season 2, but for now if you just read the first book you're caught up.

>>18904696

Alright then nigger if you want to be like that.

AFFC:
Cersei's madness and everything unraveling around her.
Pretty much any LF/Sansa scene.
Most of the Jaime chapters

ADWD:
Drogon roasting motherfuckers.
All of the Davos chapters
Most of the Jon chapters
The last few Tyrion chapters
Cersei's walk of shame.


Sure they aren't as good as ACoK and ASoS, but to say they don't have their moments is just plain faggotry.

>>18904862
At the same place as the first book, with a couple of scenes from book 2 moved chronologically to fit in Season 1 (Arya's final scene, Cat's conversation with Jaime)

>>18904835

I loved Cersei chapters, because she was a crazy bitch and I loved to see what was behind it. [And running herself into the ground.]

Sam's sex scene I liked.. a lot less.

>my face and GRRM's face when

>>18904920

>Sure they aren't as good as ACoK and ASoS

They are though. Atleast AFFC is.

Reek, Frey Pies, the North remembers, Septon Meribald's speech and Jaime's redemption make books 4 and 5 worth the read, even if you think everything else was mediocre

>>18904835
>>18904879
>>18904929
He drank her fucking milk. HE DRANK HER FUCKING MILK

>>18904881

Wait, wait, wait.

That's... that's not really in the books, is it?

>>18904772
This is pretty true. Sansa and Arya and Sam DID improve as characters. Sam did in leaps and bounds.

I actually wrote a list of important things that happened in Dance with Dragons, but I can't find it and I am too tired to think. I won't lie. The last 2 books were the less interesting ones but they WERE good and important. Jaime developed a lot.

But a few important things:
-a new Targaryean is coming and bringing hell
-Theon is brought back and does shit
-Greyjoys are off doing crazy shit

>>18904772

Place whatever hollow awards you wish on the material, there is no question that the story as a whole drops off the face of the earth after ASOS, and instead of putting it back together again, George as been doddling and spitting out one inane turn after another.

>>18904981
trolledsoftly.jpeg

>>18904981

No.

>>18904862
Season 1 ends a little bit into the second book but you should just read starting from book 2.

>>18904412
I haven't read the books so I wouldn't really know about how relevance of the title after that, but when the book series already has a name why didn't they just name it that instead of after ONE installment? Was it just something like GOT was considered a "catchier" title?

>>18904963
>HE DRANK HER FUCKING MILK
I know, pretty hot.

>that feel when Deadwood was cancelled in its third season, abruptly
>that didn't stop HBO from making two Sex and the City movies, filming the most expensive pilot ever
>Also starting Game of Thrones
Fuck you, HBO.

>>18904988
Yeah but I think aDwD left room for one hell of a story in The Winds of Winter

>>18904881
dat grin

>>18904988

But there is "question" and your empty bullshit isn't going to convince anyone otherwise.

>mfw "Edd, fetch me a block"

>>18904911
THIS. Why did they resolve Arya's cliffhanger?

>>18905034

I don't think they wanted it to look like Arya was dragged of for some good 'ole fashioned backalley rape from Yoren.

>>18905034
Well if it didn't get renewed for a second season, then that scene would have given Arya closure

>>18905052
not to sound gross, but i am sort of surprised that arya managed to canter through a warzone and avoid being raped even once

i was really anxious in all her chapters, and hoped gendry would protect her

>>18905052
They shouldn't have resolved it. When I read the book, I was completely worried. Everyone should suffer because I did.

But seriously, it was interesting that they brought in bits of the next book

>>18904988

Man, Empire Strikes Back is such shit. They blow up the death star at the end of SW, then what do they do? Sit around in an igloo arguing about who Leia likes more. Luke trains with Yoda for the entire movie, then he just goes and gets his hand chopped off? What the fuck was that? And Han just sits around on the Falcon trying to fix the hyperdrive and arguing with C-3PO, then the end he gets frozen and disappears. George has been doddling and spitting out one inane turn after another.

>>18905082
She looks like a boy. Very few boy fuckers in Westeros.

I'm wondering who Sansa will lose her maidenhead to. I doubt Martin will let her.

>>18905087

>>18905087

> thinks they can stop the GOT train

>>18905082

Yeah man, I know that feeling.

> dat feel when Gendry abandons her and joins the Brotherhood without Banners[/spoilers]

;__;

>>18905098

Lets be honest, she's probably gonna lose it to Ser Robert fucking Strong.

And it will be horrible, really fucking horrible.

>>18905142
Yeah, that was strange.

Oh god, nostalgia. Back then, I thought the series would end with Gendry taking his father's place on the throne. I mean, why else bring him in?

>>18905082
You'll like this:
http://eleventhbastard.tumblr.com/post/7925082762

It's a POV chapter written from Gendry's point of view at Acorn Hill

>>18905175
You think Gregor lives? I mean... Qyburn could of saved him I guess...

>that feel when Sandor will never get his revenge

>>18905228
tfw sandor needs to get over it, they were just kids

>>18905183

I... Still kinda want this to happen. With Queen Arya. ;__; I wonder, however, what sort of role he'll get to play in the future. A look into Lady Stoneheart's shit as a POV character? Possibly as a way to bring back Arya's humanity?

Anyway, him or Edric Storm, on the Iron Throne... And I wouldn't complain.

>this thread brought to you by sad batman

>>18904920

Excellent post, I agree with much of what you say 100%.

>AFFC:
>Cersei's madness and everything unraveling around her.

This bit about Cersei is probably my only dispute. I haven't read AFFC since it was released, so it's been awhile, but the memory is still fresh that Cersei was the only part of AFFC that came close to Brienne's level of dull.

>Pretty much any LF/Sansa scene.
Agreed.
>Most of the Jaime chapters
Jaime had amazing character development. Everybody was wowed by how their perception of him was twisted around by George.

These are still small parts of an otherwise dull book. It suffers a lot because of how great the previous 3 books were.

>ADWD:
>Drogon roasting motherfuckers.
This is true, and makes the Dany chapters (a massive portion of the book) all the more painful to read as she ignores her dragons through the vast majority of the book. Instead George bombards us with chapter after chapter of her swooning over Daario.

>All of the Davos chapters
Agreed
>Most of the Jon chapters
Possibly the most frustrating part of the book, as George is nothing but a cocktease about what's brewing in the far north. Of course there is plot development here, but it is unnecessarily stretched out and truncated.
>The last few Tyrion chapters
Tyrion, my most beloved character. Yet a complete disappointment in every part of ADWD except when he was Jorah's prisoner. The last few chapters with Penny were awful.
>Cersei's walk of shame.
Felt very out-of-place. It was like a trailer for Winds of Winter within ADWD.

>>18905254
Cersei being all paranoid and tearing the kingdom apart was my favourite part of that book. Brienne was definitely boring though, I like the character but why would I care about a quest I know isn't going to go anywhere.

>>18905228

They're both alive. He can still get his revenge

>>18905228

After ADWD, there can be no question that Gregor is nothing more than Victor Qyburnstein's Monster.

I'm holding out hope that Sandor will show his beautiful face again.

>>18905235

> just kids

> implying you would forgive a horrible person who shoved your face into the fire for toy when you were a child, and has shown no sign of redemption at all.

>>18905254
Tyrion's chapters were a bit of a disappointment. They were still fun and great but not as fucking amazing as he was in the previous books.

IF HE MARRIES PENNY, MARTIN WILL SUFFER.

>>18905235

It's implied that Gregor killed the rest of the Clegane family, it's probably even harder to "get over" that than it is to forget half your face is burned off...

>>18905286
Really... you think both live? I mean, I love the Hound but... you think he lives? I don't think so... also Gregor should have died from poison, though Qyburn saving him is possible...

>>18905298
>>18905303
Considering he's living in that sept place now, I'm sure he's grown up a bit and can learn to forgive and forget.

>>18905303

I can't believe anyone bought the 'hunting accident' bit.

I mean, really. Hunting accident seems to be the most popular way for noble people to get killed by their own family.

>>18905327

Dude who do you think Ser Robert Strong is?

>>18905087

Empire had the largest reveal of the entire series -- Vader is Luke's father.

AFFC, not so much.

>>18905327

> didn't notice the grave digger
> SOMEHOW THINKS GREGOR ISN'T SER ROBERT STRONG????

ADWD was the tits.

The North Remembers
Frey Pies
Rickon on Skagos
"Edd, fetch me the block."
BARRISTAN POVS
DROGON STYLIN
Victarion hating monkeys
Victarion's smoking hand
Victarion's sacrifices to DG + R'hllor
Motherfuckin Wun Wun
Cersei's walk
Jon v RattleMance
Kevan prologue
Aegon reveal
Greyscale reveal
Jaime. All of Jaime's chapters.
Blackfish escape.
BLOODRAVEN IS ALIVE
WEIRWOOD INTERNET
HODOR WARGING
Robert Strong is obviously Gregorstein. Also "He took a vow of silence. LMAO
"Oh."
The letter (just who really sent that shit).
Jon = Azor Ahai.
REEK REEK IT RHYMES WITH WEAK.
Reek bent to his task.
My name is Theon. You have to remember your name. (One GRRM's best lines).

>>18904835
>Sam's sex scene.
One of the funniest things I've ever read in a book. Absolutely hilarious.

>>18905254

>but the memory is still fresh that Cersei was the only part of AFFC that came close to Brienne's level of dull.

Because you can't find entertainment if there's not a flashing sign next to it.

>These are still small parts of an otherwise dull book.

It's not a dull book.

>It suffers a lot because of how great the previous 3 books were.

No it doesn't.

>Instead George bombards us with chapter after chapter of her swooning over Daario.

Those chapters were about Dany's struggle with ruling, anyone who mentions Daario as if that part was prominent or of particular focus is talking bullshit.

>Possibly the most frustrating part of the book, as George is nothing but a cocktease about what's brewing in the far north.

Again, those chapters were about Jon's struggle with ruling. It's called a theme, maybe you've heard of it.

>Tyrion, my most beloved character.

It all makes sense, you like the shittiest characters too.

>>18905351
A convienent giant. I'll believe he's Gregor.

But Sandor?

MARTIN, STOP KILLING PEOPLE AND TELLING ME THEY LIVE LATER. SEAWORTH WAS ALREADY TOO MUCH

>mfw Ned is alive and the top sparrow

>>18905383

Woah dude, I agree with you on most of those points but...

Tyrion ehs a cool guy, eh make fahny joke and doesn't afraid of anything.

>>18905392

HOW DO I READING COMPREHENSION.

Sandor's the gravedigger, you should learn though. Unless you see a character physically die, there's... always a strong chance.

And even then.

>>18905327

I KNOW they both live. Sandor is in the Quiet Isle, Gregor is Robert Strong

Pay attention faggot.

>>18905302

It was the most crushing part of ADWD for me to read. I loved Tyrion. I've read the first three books more times than I can remember, and I've read through just his POV's more still.

However, I'm in no way claiming that the series is lost because of my poor feelings about AFFC & ADWD. Like most here are saying, they were largely character & plot development. I just say that George has gone on far too long with that, and a great portion of what he's written there was unnecessary.

Tyrion can shine bright once he finally reaches Dany.

>>18905366
What are the other theories regarding the letter? Who could have sent it besides Ramsay?

>>18905366
>Jaime
>Blackfish
These two by themselves redeem ADWD

>>18905418

It is only speculation that Sandor is still alive there. As much as many of us would love to believe it (he's one of my favorites), there isn't enough evidence.

>>18905357

Feast and Dance are act two of ASOIAF, the first three books had a lot of action but most of it is of little relevance to the main plot with the Others and the return of the Targaryens (Fire & Ice) that will presumably happen in 6 and 7. Besides a shitton of character development, the baby Aegon reveal was important and will have ramifications on most of the other plot threads. So much shit happened in ADWD that we forgot that Westeros has already been invaded and most of the Stormlands have fallen, which in itself is more significant than the total effect of the War of 5 Kings on the power balance. The same dynasty is still in control, but likely not for long.

your face when this happens

>>18905439

GRRM says he's alive. Christ.

>>18905439

GRRM let it slip in a convention he "looks forward to finishing his story" while talking about Sandor.

>>18905418
>>18905415
Well, I have missed alot of the subtly of this series
>Renly is gay
>Arstan is Barristan

Why would Sandor join the monastary?

>>18905452
>So much shit happened in ADWD that we forgot that Westeros has already been invaded and most of the Stormlands have fallen, which in itself is more significant than the total effect of the War of 5 Kings on the power balance.
I agree with your intent, but that statement is off.

The War of the 5 Kings had a more significant effect of the balance of power because it made such an invasion possible.
Without it, the lord of Storm's End could have tossed the invasion back single-handed.

>>18905357

>he actually thinks "large reveals" affect the quality of a book in any substantial manner

I bet you also think the "amount of shit that goes down" equates to a better book. Fucking retard.

Septum Meribold's speech...
What are you guys talking about? Which one of his talks are we talking about?

>>18905366

I notice you didn't mention much of what Dany & Tyrion did, apart from Tyrion being a companion of Aegon's for a bit and the greyscale. Yet these two make up a massive part of the book.

It wasn't a great part of the overall story. Didn't pull you along like the others. George just continued to set up the board, with a handful of entertaining points.

>>18903944
>Read first few posts in thread.
>>They did the same with Rome, so don't think they're beyond it
>mfw

Rome had so much potential, the first season was so fucking amazing. It would be a shame to see GoT go the same way.

I miss Rome everyday. Spartacus just didn't cut it, and only til GoT have I started to feel better (about premium dramatic miniseries).

>>18905493
The one about how the common people suffer while the great lords play the game of thrones. It put the whole first 3 books into perspective

>>18905483

Everyone was weaker, but the balance is more or less the same. The point is that all of the Five Kings besides Stannis are dead and that the war was inconsequential to the endgame of the series besides its side effects, i.e. lots of people died and most of those alive probably won't survive the winter.

You know what I look forward to in Game of Thrones?

<--- This guy here.

To me one of the best parts of ADWD.

>>18905533
Varys says that in the first book.

THE SEPTON IS ONE OF HIS SPIES!

>>18905493

The one about the difference between "broken men" and "outlaws"

>>18905549
how many pairs of gloves is that guy wearing, holy shit

>>18905555

That would make an awesome monologue.

The entire speech was heartbreaking.

>>18905546
The war wasn't inconsequential to the ending, though.
What if Stannis had won at Blackwater?
What if Robb was still king in the north?
etc

20,000 northmen went south, maybe a quarter came back.
The war is hardly inconsequential to the end game.

>>18905549
Yeah, Barristan is badass. His actor might be perfect, but I'll decide once he grows a cool beard.

>>18905488

I probably worded that poorly, I apologize. It was a great climax to a great story, and the climax was only powerful because of how great the story, character and the tension between them had been developed.

This is why Tyrion shooting his father was such an epic moment. It wasn't great because 'LOLZ HE MAED HIS DAD DIED, HURRRRRRRRRR', but because of how well Tyrion a tortured figure Tyrion was crafted into being, what role his father played in that, and again what a pillar of strength his father was built up to.

That better?

Why does Tyrion care about the whore? She's soiled goods

>>18905632
He's a little cross. Short temper. He doesn't have a nose for nice ladies.

>>18905610

Yep.

If they show the part where Barristan escapes the Gold Cloaks, I will be incredibly incredibly happy.

>>18905645

>>18905593

What I'm trying to get across is that it ended up not mattering, i.e. Jaime brought the last of the Stark loyalists back to the King's peace in AFFC/ADWD and the realm is now back under the Baratheons same as at the start of AGOT (well, minus the Greyjoys). Sure there have been a lot of tweeests on a character level but from a wide perspective (or a peasant's narrow one) everything that's happened so far has been a setup for whoever conquers Westeros in act 3, be it the Others or Aegon or Dany somehow.

>>18905645

>What are the other theories regarding the letter? Who could have sent it besides Ramsay?

Ramsay could be bluffing.

Or it was Mance who wrote the letter, following Melisandre orders in order to goad Jon into action to fullfil her visions.

Should I watch the show first or read the book?

I figured that the show would be better to watch first since it'll give me a basic gist of the story then I can go into the book and have everything explained fully.

>>18905693
It ending up not mattering doesn't mean the war itself didn't. Had things gone different the current situation could be massively different.

>>18905732

If you haven't been spoiled on what happens, the show.

>>18905732
Hard to say. Read first and then the show. The fact is, the book is subtle and you'll miss certain things. The show makes things obvious, too much so.

Honestly, your best bet is to read all 5 books, watch the show, and THEN join these threads. We are talking about the books in reality. So avoid to avoid spoilers

>human stories

Nah, between Ned's
>here Cersei, go ahead and kill my family. It's not like we're enemies or anything.
and the Kaleesi's brother
>I look down on everyone, I've somehow been alive for decades without making a friend

the people are less believable than the dragons and snowmen.

>>18905732

I wish that I could've experienced what the show would be like without any prior knowledge of the story.

I think I would have definitely enjoyed the show much more, but then I'd worry about how it would affect my enjoyment of the books, which are superb.

>>18905826
Oh god this. While I do wonder what the show would have been without knowledge of the books, I would worry what the show would have done to my enjoyment of the books which are phenomenal. I don't regret reading the books first, thats for sure

>>18905803
you don't know anything about those characters

>>18905803

>here Cersei, go ahead and kill my family. It's not like we're enemies or anything.

You clearly don't understand the character you fucking mongoloid.

>I look down on everyone, I've somehow been alive for decades without making a friend

What does this even mean?

>>18905803

Oh boy, here we go..

>>18905705
My new favorite crackpot theory is the writer is Manderly. There was no battle as Roose and Ramsay have now locked themselves up inside Winterfell. His host has collapsed as the northmen know Arya is Jeyne.

Wyman hopes that Jon + wildlings will break the siege.

>>18905732
Show and then continue with the books.

>>18905752

You said the tweests are the most important part of the series, I say the overall plot is what matters. Debating hypotheticals is stupid: the way the War of Five Kings turned out ended up not mattering at all to the main plot of the series, though the fact it happened matters. Do you get it yet?

>>18905911
I suppose it's just your confused belief that it matters but didn't end up mattering.
It did end up mattering, since any different ending would have changed everything.

>>18905911

>implying the "plot" is anything more than the means of telling about characters and concepts

>>18905853
The wannabe-dragon is a dick to everyone we see him interact w/. Anybody in real life, particularly with an exiled-prince background like his, would have friends and allies, people he's not a jerk to. The character has no depth, he's just a villain we're supposed to hate.

As to Ned Stark, his response to finally having an advantage over his mortal enemies is to reveal it to them so they can counter him. No one favors his enemies over himself and his family that much.

>>18905979

>would have friends and allies, people he's not a jerk to

He did have for the first few years in exile, but then he became the "beggar king". Illyrio took him in because he saw profit in it.

>The character has no depth, he's just a villain we're supposed to hate.

He's a victim of circumstances, his whole life has been a shitfest from the time he was a young boy. To his detriment he was told he was a god when he was young, that he was special and everyone should bow down to him.

His behaviour is completely realistic when you consider this, and thus, has "depth".

>As to Ned Stark, his response to finally having an advantage over his mortal enemies

"Mortal enemies" ? He found out a secret about Cersei, no act of aggression had been made from either party at that point.

>No one favors his enemies over himself and his family that much.

He didn't "favor" his enemies over his family you stupid cunt, he just DIDN'T WANT TO HURT INNOCENT CHILDREN.

>>18905968

This really isn't a hard distinction to make. The War ended status quo ante bellum, this is like arguing that the War of 1812 was super important because America could have been conquered again.

>>18905974

This entire argument started out as plot vs. character development, not sure what you're on about.

Have we talked about this?

http://winter-is-coming.net/2011/10/simon-armstrong-is-halfhand/

>>18906087

But.. That kind of comparison doesn't work, the War of 1812 wasn't anything like an invasion.

>>18906087

>plot vs. character development
>plot
>character development

Same thing.

>>18906094

...I am okay with this.

>>18906094

I think he'll do fine.

>>18906094
Now we just need the Reeds and Rattleshirt

WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT CHILDREN OF THE CORN ENDING TO DANCE!?

WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT.

God damn I want another book NOW.

>>18906176

I think Rattleshirt was hinted at....

http://winter-is-coming.net/2011/10/anew-with-a-casting-clue/

>>18906226
Negative, Stahl is confirmed as Lord Karstark.

>>18905979

I took my turn bashing this series in this thread (only affc & adwd), now I'll defend it.

Viserys has been a proud and wounded fish out of water his entire life. The son of an absolute lunatic, he was no doubt raised to believe that he was better than everybody. He had a reason to believe that everyone should worship and obey him. I'd think of him as an even worse version of Joffrey.

Then his family was slaughtered, and he was forced into exile. He's never been one to learn to expect the respect of others, it would simply be an after-thought that it should always be demanded. He is a Targaryen, a dragon, rightful king of westeros where he would be regarded as the most powerful man in the world. Yet the world is no longer what it should be in his eyes, he is forced to debase himself time and time again, which makes him increasingly bitter over time, and resentful of those that do command respect (Drogo, and Dany after a time).

As for your interpretation of Ned.... Come on. The guy is clearly an incredibly honorable man, with a deep affection for his family. You could see the limits of what he was willing to do to his enemies when he fought Robert, his closest friend, against hunting down and killing Dany. He obviously was repulsed by the thought of what Robert would do to Cersei and her children if he didn't try to help her.

based upon the intro, unique environment, history and long term weather patterns, i have concluded that Game of Thrones is actually a long-term observation experiment takes place within the confines of a Dyson Sphere.

So, most consensus on dat kiss Sansa remembers seems to be that she's made it up in her head but... What if it was omitted from her POV at first, and then remembered later?

She is the most unreliable narrator of the series.

The episode in the second season could answer this. :3c

>>18906107

There was a lot of action, but everyone forgets about it because it ended up... not mattering. There was a lot of fighting on the Canadian frontier, plus an aborted British invasion of Louisiana, but the naval actions had the bigger effect on morale at the time so they were remembered, likewise with how everyone forgets Washington and Toronto were burned down.

>>18906252

No, it never happened. GRRM confirmed it was a case of unreliable narrator.