It's not
who said it was horrible?

OP here, just to clarify, I thought it was a fairly good adaption and I thoroughly enjoyed it (even more so the director's cut)

Plenty of us liked it.

Only people who bitch about it usually say it sucked because "It missed the point of the book" yet they never say how so, or even what the point of the book was.

>>18181634
It's not a horrible movie, /tv/ are just terrible critics...

and faggot mods

It's bad because it's pretty much a shot for shot copy, and the ending was dumbed down. Maybe if it had brought something new, interesting or original to the table, it would be good, but the novel is excellent in its own right, and this adaptation is pointless.

>64% on rotten tomatoes

I personally think if it was judged by a more complicated and philosophical audience, it deserves atleast an 85%.

Occasionally some OK acting, but then there's the Comedian and Rorschach characters who have perfect actors portraying them. Solid story, things made sense.

I just wish it was better recognized ;(

>>18181673

I thought the point of the book was "Comics can b srs bzns too, guys"

I liked it a lot, eventhough I'm rather fed-up with all the comic book films overflow there is lately.
Don't care about the comic itself though.

Odd as fuck musical choices.
Over use of slow motion.
The overly violent and gruesome fight scenes diminished the impact of the final act.
That sex scene.

6/10

Opening credit montage was great.

>>18181673
It did in a sense. Ozymandias conceives the monster as a common enemy for the US and the Soviets, referencing the lateral thinking of Alexander the Great in doing so, and it's not entirely convincing that the Soviets would abstain from retaliating against the US just because Manhattan was also apparently attacked by Doc Manhattan.

it is a horrible movie.

>>18181798

How were the musical choices odd?

>>18181798

Snyder always picks weird as fuck music that doesn't belong. Like in Sucker Punch. I mean yeah the lyrics are related to the subject matter, but the tone of the song is all wrong for the scenes.

It's not a horrible movie. It's a great movie. Think for yourself OP. People that think Adrian is a hero are horrible.

>>18181812
>>18181812

all major citys in the world were nuked at the same time, only Manhatten could do that, its better than the silly looking squid

>>18181838

99 Luftballoons scene? Can't tell me that was the wrong song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v24bbSh0DAA

The climax was poorly executed. The only part that works in the last half hour is Rorschach and Manhattan's confrontation which ends in Rorschach's death.

>>18181892

Wrong video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1fbBya9638

>>18181892

How?
It takes place in the 80's, makes more than enough since that a popular 80's song would be used to remind people of that fact.

Because they butchered the whole scene where Rorschach talks about the kidnap case. The sex scene was horrible too.

>>18181892

I loved the music, only thing that was out of place was All along the watchtower, everything else fit pretty good.

>>18181673

It missed the point in that the comic was basically a deconstruction of comic book tropes and the whole superhero phenomenon. The movie had more or less the same story, but fell short in terms of direction and tone. Zack Snyder tried to play it up like all of the characters were badass and cool, where in the book it was more about them being average people with mental issues wearing costumes.

>>18181838


zack snyder doesn't understand music soundtracks. Sure, your lyrics might be related to the scene, but if the the actual music doesn't fit the tone of the scene then it's retarded. : the music in the sex scene, 99 luftballons, fucking All along the watchtower etc etc.


Not to mention there are a lot of problems when you do a shot for shot copy of the comic but leave some pages out or alter them slightly.

Problem lies with Snyder though. He's a visual director and that's it. The only reason the movie isn't considered bad is thanks to its amazing source material
The movie has a few good scenes but it's not that good . Zack snyder is

>>18181935

But the movie was a deconstruction of superhero movies.
It had the 'heroes' brutalizing people and being impotent and stupid or insane or evil.

>Book:
Violence is a repellant ugly thing, the squalid resort of thugs
>Movie:
WHOA BRO DID YOU SEE HIM TOTALLY SNAP THAT FUCKER'S ARM BLOOD ALL OVER THE SCREAM OH WHOA DUDE THE BONE COMES RIGHT OUT AWESOME

>>18181934
>>18181913

When I saw it in theaters people actually laughed out loud when that song came on. I have to agree with them it was so wrong for the scene.

When Ozymandias revealed his plan everyone should shut up and not give a typical 'super-hero' speech that was a big mistake

>>18181935

I hear this all the time yet I didnt get this message from the film that the "heros" were cool. Rorshcac comes across as a psycho homeless guy, The Comedian as a violent asshole with a power complex, Dr. Manhatten and Ozy as out of touch weirdos, and Sally as a crazy bitch with mommy issues, Dan is the only real "normal" one.

>>18181948
>>18181960

I still don't see your point, the music fit fine and didn't remove me at all.
What the hell soundtrack you have had for Laurie and Dan's first date? Some orchestral nonsense?

>>18181960
yeah, lots of uncomfortable looking around and "is this real" "are they serious "

the ending is stupid

It's pretty good.

As good as the comic, which while overblown as fuck is still pretty good.

It's not GREEETEST COMIC OF ALL TIME as most neckbeard comic readers would have you believe. And despite the fact that Alan Moore is a dangerously insane man who also has some smug sense of entitlement and for some reason believes he's the snake-god of comics, he's actually also a pretty competent and entertaining writer.

>>18181956
Yeah, you see, you're talking about a difference in audience there, not message.

>>18181913

when I meet my friend in a classy restaurant the first tune that comes to my mind is 99 luftballons

>>18181867
But it doesn't make sense. Doctor Manhattans sacrifice was for world peace. Saying an American citizen, given god like powers in an American lab, and who has served American interests in combat people that were bombed wouldn't seek retaliation? Countries hate America now and we don't even have a giant blue penis fighting for us. The second "he" killed people the would would unite against America for not keeping it's dog on a leash. Now if Ozzy would of made meteors or cosmic rays nuke people, great everyone could unite against an outside source and there would be no squid.

Movie was great, book was great, get over it.

>>18181990

The music didn't fit at all. The tone is completely wrong. It's like playing yakkety sax at a funeral.

>>18182008
>for some reason believes he's the snake-god of comics
lol

>>18182029

When I think of an awkward first date between two crazy people in the mid 80's, I think of Nena.

>>18181634
>And yes i've read the book.

I loled.

>>18182030

No, Manhatten is pretty much symbolic of nukes and the whole shit storm around them during the cold war, Mankind loosing controll of this awesome power and having it burn their ass is a way better ending in a film about a world on the verge of WW3. Thats how I see it anyway.

>>18181956
>>18181956
>>18181956

In that restaurant scene you get from the conversation that niteowl isn't really all that much for violence, and neither is silk spectre it seems when they're talking about how rorschach killed that guy that masochistic villain . Then fucking 3 minutes later they're stabbing people in the neck and breaking bones and laugh it off leaving them dead or badly wounded. Zack Fucking Snyder

>>18182054
THAT IS THE POINT

gorgous young girl is hacing sex with a middle aged sad loner, that is exactly like playing yakkety sax at a funeral

>>18181990
Are you trying to say that song was a good fit? It wasn't.

>>18181696
>shit pacing
>shit music
>shit editing
>judged unfairly
Nope.

>>18182054

What 'tone' do you think was trying to be established in that dinner scene?
It sure as fuck wasn't supposed to be a serious, existential conversation about the morality of beating people senseless.

It was two former vigilantes trying to have a nice night, with a romantic undertone.

But you're right, they should've played the Smashing Pumpkins song during *that* scene.

>>18182008
>he's actually also a pretty competent and entertaining writer.
Understatement.
He's probably the best comic writer of all time.

Now I wanna read Saga of the Swamp Thing again...

>>18182102
Yeah, he was symbolic, but he was an American nuke. You're telling me if America accidentally launched a nuke into another county they wouldn't be held responsible?

>>18182121

What would you have picked?

>>18182136

There are a million better songs that suit a nice evening at a fancy restaurant better than a dance hall song from the 80s. If they were at a club dancing, yeah play some Nena. But they weren't.

>>18182136
Or no song.
No song at all.
Movies aren't music videos faggot.

>>18182145
>He's probably the best comic writer of all time.

That's like saying he's the most sop NASCAR driver. It doesn't mean much.

>>18181689
>ending dumbed down
hmm the ending actually added more closure and actually gave manhattan a reason to leave the planet not just have him go "lol ug u guise complicated I go make my own life" as well add a reason for veidt making a company and messing around with manhattan in the first place and I really feel the reason why Moore put that tentacle monster in the book was just to show a giant vagina with an eyeball on ita

>>18182069

then your knowledge of music is as narrow as zack snyder

>>18182174
>>18182170

Holy shit you people are delusional.

bad casting (veidt, laurie, laurie's mom)
bad costumes (veidt, nite owl, laurie)
excessive slow mo
the feel is wrong (snyder went for gritty stylized violence where watchmen employed a bright color scheme with very little emphasis on acts of violence; instead it focused on the outcome)
no squid

I can't wait to see how bad Snyder fucks up Superman.

>>18182008
I agree with you on all points.
Alan Moore might be a mad man but damn if he can't tell a great story. to bad that he trys to stir shit with other people in the comic industry so often

>>18182163

This isnt a case of a nuke accidentally being launched, its all nukes blowing up across the globe.

>>18182206

Veidt's character and costume completely ruined the film for me.

>>18182145
>this is what idiots who dont know talent actually believe
seriously Moore just takes any subject and adds some drugs and rape with underlinings of pedophilia and then just says "lol 2deep 4u"

When you make a shot for shot copy of a good comic book, you don't magically end up with a good movie. The tone, the music choices, the slow mo fights just don't work. It's not horrible, but it's not very good.

I sort of agree with this review:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu8l0q4rgcg

>>18182239
No, it's more all of Americas nukes being set off. By a guy on the U.S. Government payroll.

>>18182206

Yeah, there are very few violent scenes in the movie, its a shot for shot with the comic. Also, the book has alot of scenes set in dark citys, with the only light being from neon signs. Youre argument is invalid.

>>18181798
>Odd as fuck musical choices.
How so? Do you also think "Stuck in the middle with you" was an 'odd' musical choice for a certain scene in Resevoir Dogs?
>Over use of slow motion.
I'll give this one to you. I personally don't mind it, I find it emphasises the impact of these guys, but to each his own.
>The overly violent and gruesome fight scenes diminished the impact of the final act.
..How?
>That sex scene.
This is a common complaint that I don't think holds any merit. One of the subthemes in the movie is about how people change over time, and how they stay the same. Previously, when he tries to bang her on the couch, he can't get it up because he's old and feels old. However, after he's just beat the shit out of some people, and in Archie, he feels young again, and he's able to perform like he is. You also see this in the deleted scene where the previous Night Owl is killed. Despite being old as fuck, he still puts up a good fight against 5 guys - it shows that no matter what you do, you can't escape your past, good or bad.

If you still think "ewww sex is icky" then you shouldn't be watching a movie with a rating above "Teen".

>>18182254
>unpleasable faggot

It's nowhere near as good as Avatar.

Bad critics judge a work of art by comparing it to pre-existing theories. They always go wrong when confronted with a masterpiece because masterpieces make their own rules.

>>18182287

No its not, Manhatten is his own man who just decided to help America. He went rouge and murdered everyone after disappearing to Mars when America needed him the most, this is how everyone sees him. Try watching the movie

>>18182252
Come on, man.
Between Swamp Thing, The Killing Joke, From Hell, Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?, V For Vendetta, The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, The Ballad of Halo Jones and Watchmen the dude's bibliography slaps just about every other résumé in the business.

>An omnipotent being is fed up with our perpetual belligerence and gives us a taste of the havoc it'll wreak if we don't cut this shit out

versus

>Holy shit where did that squid come from? We'd better stop fighting and build bigger guns in case another one shows up.

Give me the film ending any day. The only thing I really didn't like about the film was the fight scene from the prison and the fact that I can't for the life of me remember why Veidt killed the Comedian.

All along the watchtower mussic when they get to veidt's lab, when it gets to the two riders approaching lyrics part you suddenly get the shot of niteowl and rorschach . THATS NOT HOW MOVIE SOUNDTRACKS WORK ZACK
also lol at the people thinking the ending was better than the comic. dr manhattan leaving after he seemingly destroys cities left and right , killing milions means that there is absolutely zero certainty that he couldn't just come back to earth and seemingly destroy a few more cities. The entire reconciliation between east and west is ultimately based on fear. Living life with the looming sword of damocles above them.

>>18182304
Stuck in the middle with you was meant to be odd. To show he really had no remorse in his killing.

>>18182317
Nah, it's just Zack Snyder films. They all look like they're made for 13 year old boys.

>>18182374

because changing the ending in the movie but leaving plenty of events that lead up to or are explained by comic book ending is retarded. Case in point, comedian's breakdown or why ozymandias has Bubastis

>>18182217
granted it will be a rush job from Warner Bros. to try and keep the Superman series for DC to use. last I heard the heirs of the Superman creators want it all and are trying their damnedest to get it for really no other reason than a big fuck you to DC

>ITT: baaaaw the sad scene didn't have a sad song playing

Look up soundtrack dissonance you stupid fucks.

>>18182304
>Do you also think "Stuck in the middle with you" was an 'odd' musical choice for a certain scene in Resevoir Dogs?
Not the same guy you were answering, but Stuck in the middle was used against type, to create a stark contrast to what was happening onscreen and reinforce how psychotic mr. Yellow was. In other words it was used deliberately to create an effect and manipulate the audience. Snyder just used it because it was mentioned in the comic and he lacks imagination.

>>18182414
>why ozymandias has Bubastis
because Ozymandias is a fucking pimp. I havent read the cartoon and I saw noting odd with him having and awesome lion-dog

>who just decided to help America
That's the problem right there. If he never chose allegiance to a nation, never helped the U.S. win Vietnam, then it would make sense. No one is going to believe that since he left the earth, something which was more than likely kept secret from the world so the U.S. enemies would not jump to the attack, that he went rouge. Besides even if he did, he was Americas responsibility and they failed to keep tabs on him. Which means the countries with millions dead would blame America for it. They world would have a common enemy. And it would be the U.S.A.

The two biggest problems with it are seldom mentioned. Most importantly, when Watchmen was published it was a political commentary about the cold war and what not. That means that 1) It's no longer anywhere NEAR as relevant and 2) The target audience probably wasn't alive/old enough to understand the impact of the cold war when the film was released.

The second major problem is that Watchmen was originally a graphic novel. That means it was filled with all sorts of marvelous little details (off the top of my head, Chapter V was perfectly symmetrical in pannel layouts, and in chapter 12 the movie playing when giantsquidvaginamonster was POMF'd into New York was 'The Day The Earth Stood Still') that reward the viewer for taking time to examine each and every panel. Obviously this is impossible in a film and as a result some of the overall experience that made the comic so great was lost.

>All the fa/tv/irgins defending Watchmen
Wtf am I reading .jpg
It was slow as fuck, the acting was shit, the characters other than Roschach were garbage, and audiences hated it. It was all style, no substance, and one of the biggest failures in cinema history.

>>18182364
The Killing Joke, Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?, and For the Man Who Has Everything are the only truly good and inspirational story telling he has put out and he has disowned them and considers those his worst work. Everything else is just him taking a general idea and making the characters a bunch of sons of bitches. Like watchmen (makes superman apathetic, batman impotent, the question violently insane, and the best humanity has to offer secretly evil, and the only women there a slut), League (let me make every Victorian story and add a bunch of rape and drug addictions then throw it together) He was good with capes story's but felt he himself was to original for them so he went and stole general ideas or barely known ideas and just makes every person in the story a horrible piece of crap. He is the classic "edgy 2deep4u" teen of comic books.

It's overly-long, the story and characters are dumbed down, and the score is fucking terrible. I understand using contemporary pop songs, but jesus fuck you can't just throw the "Time Life Music of the 70s and 80s Collection" on -- you need to do a little bit of work. And it doesn't help that Snyder's idea of "dramatic" is just "slow motion." He doesn't really understand shot composition or editing, and the whole thing is a mess.

There are some good performances (Rorschach, Ozymandias, Nightowl) but overall it lacks any of the psychological tension and drama of the comic book. It's just a boring mess of a movie. It has its moments, but it doesn't do the comic book any justice.

>>18182425
Let's get one thing clear. Everyone alive today knows what soundtrack dissonance is, even if they don't know what it's called. You assumed just because people disliked it in Watchmen, it was because they didn't know what was going on. Just using soundtrack dissonance doesn't make it good or means it's well done. A shit metaphor is still shit, the technique alone doesn't make it good, it's all in the context.

>>18182376
>>18182445
>>18182445

scene of 2 guys walking to lyrics about 2 guys walking? Get it ? Get it? I used that song for that lyrics so we could have that scene and you go "oh it's like that song was made for the scene" get it get it?

Regardless of how the overall movie turned out, I think we can all agree that Manhattan's origin was executed perfectly; I know a lot of people like to pimp out the opening credits, but the best sequence in the movie.

>>18182364
Debatable. Gaiman and Morrison could both give him a run for his money when it comes to sheer quality of work on similar subject matter. I'd include Mike Carrey as well but I just really like him.

Jack Kirby blows him out of the water if we just look at comics in general instead of postmodernist social commentaries/deconstructions/whatever ever buzzwords you want to throw out.

>>18182297

There are no dark scenes in Watchmen, even at night. The pallete is always, always, always full of bright colors placed often where they don't belong. The emphasis of the artwork is the color.

The violence in the comic is not cinematic in the slightest. The reader hardly knows what is happening in the fight scenes. Furthermore the scenes are brief and serve a rhetorical or thematic purpose.

>>18182494

again your wrong. From the beginning its known that he is God who just decide to help America for no real reason other than he lived there "God is real, and he is American" He isnt some dog America keeps on a leash, hes a god America tries to please so he will help them. Then when its apparent WW3 will start, he disappears when they're is no advantage for America. Hes had enough of mankind all together then decides to kill them. Its his fault, he God, no one controlls him.

>>18182530
Also now the guy just take's story's like Robin Hood, and Dracula and making pedo porn with them. That may be fine for /tv/ but as a /co/mrade that just seems really pathetic.

>>18182567
>Hey guys, when he drops the snowglobe and says "rosebud" and dies, everyone won't know what it was, but it was really just his sled all along, hahaha! Smart isn't it? Isn't it? I'm so smart!

That's what you sound like.

>>18182530
Watchmen was a deconstruction of the Superhero genre. It was executed much better than some other attempts.

Watchmen and V for Vendetta were both amazing works. Besides, attacking someone for not being original/creative in the comic book industry is ridiculous. Superheroes (ESPECIALLY Spider-man) are incredibly formulaic. It isn't about the story you tell, it's about how well you tell it. And League was a very unique and interesting story that clearly had quite a bit of research done on the source material.

If you want to show that Moore isn't a good writer [anymore] just bash Neonomicon or Lost Girls.

>>18182606
people within the universe does not nkow all this this

>>18182595

Youre an idiot, its shot for shot with the comic, stop bitching about how its so much different in asthetics when it copied it from the comic.

>>18182658
Please dont bring up the biggest plothole in movie history up. Even as an example that shit makes me rage.

>>18182530
>He is the classic "edgy 2deep4u" teen of comic books.

no, not really, you just not see it, because you're dumb

and this "it has gore and rape, thus it's for teens" is really shallow and completely retarded

>>18182588
That's why the "just about" was in there. I love Gaiman and Morrison's stuff too. Never really cared for cape stuff, no matter who worked on it.

>>18182530
It's weird because I find his spandex stuff to be the most uninteresting stuff, still great though. But stuff like like V and Swamp Thing are something else.

>>18182671

es they do,Manhatten is on national tv, says he doesnt really care about humans and disappears. Try watching the movie. The whole reason the Russian are invading is because they know Manhatten isnt going to help them anymore.

Again, >"God is real, and he is American"
That right there means that when people inevitably come looking for someone to blame they would choose America. That was the point of the squid. The only way the world could truly be unified was by being unified against an outside force. The second God was called an American, and God destroyed major cities, people would wan vengeance, and since "God" is no where to be found, they would attack the last thing remaining in that sentence. People always want retribution. It's our nature. The world would destroy America for the actions of their god. Like extremist do in real life because they don't agree with the ideas of another god. Imagine if the other god actually did something they could justify going to war for, and then they knew Gods address.

you people are watching movies for completely the wrong reason if you are worried about how audiences liked it or who you think its made for or what you think it will say about you

maybe youll grow up and learn to appreciate art

>>18182729
>shot for shot remake of comic with added slow mo
>art

>>18182727
see
>>18182606
>>18182724

>>18182764

the word art means nothing these days. People put trach from New York in a box and sell it for millions because its art.

It's a 7.8/10 movie.

Subtlety is a word zack snyder doesn't know. For no brain action movies, that's fine. For a movie which uses the fucking watchmen comic book as its source material , it's laughable

>>18182676

The aesthetic of Watchmen cannot be fully captured by simply placing people on the screen where they were on the page.

The color of Watchmen is meant to be reminiscent of the color in silver age comics thus implying a sort of campiness or a least playfulness which is not at all present in the visuals of the film. In fact the film does the exact opposite with its Snyder GRITfilter™ and washed out palette.

>>18182789
Or period blood, don't forget period blood.

>>18182789
it has been always like this

>>18182815

I've seen some interesting art done with menstrual blood.

Haven't seen it.

>>18182820
Only post-1950

Unless you think David or The Last Supper are just "trash from the street thrown together"

>>18182595
Even allowing for your exageration that simply isn't much of a point.

Watchmen uses red/orange as its base color instead of black. It isn't a vivid or colorful read most of the time (though I'll admit that there are portions where the colors are very interesting and varried). Seriously, I just skimmed through it again and the amount of red/brown/orange made me think of /v/ constantly claiming that everything is brown 'n' bloom.

the ending and the blue penis

>>18182727
No, that's stupid. The world might throw a hissy fit, but they wouldn't start a punitive war of extermination because America's superweapon became sentient. That's not rational.

>>18182862
You think he has glowing blue semen?

>>18182858

Jackson Pollock was a cunt and art died with Dali.

>>18182858
>David or The Last Supper

what about those MILLIONS pieces of art nobody remembers?

Maybe not horrible, but I felt like they stayed too close to the novel. Some things don't translate as well to an audio-visual form you know? That's the feeling I got anyway. I liked the change they did with the final villain's plot however.

>>18182720
Never said it was completely for teens, it's for people who want to think they can look smart by reading a certain graphic novel. He just uses rape and gore as a way to get interest. Read Invincible for decent practical use of things like that.
>>18182722
Swamp thing was good until he just kept trying to press the whole drug hallucination thing. And V for Vendetta was just to full of itself and people always praise V without realizing he is a hypocrite for fallowing Guy Fawkes and just ends up ruining the only hope for the rest of the world. Because England was the last real society on earth and he destroyed it, and no one seems to also realize that Guy Fawkes was not an anarchist but was working for the interest of the catholic church.

>>18182867
only if he became sentient and destroyed people right after the accident, but since he was being ordered for around 50 years, and following those orders, not to mention being the face of Americas strength, why wouldn't people attack his creators. Hell you could just reason the world would attack America because they made Doctor Manhattan once and they could do it again.