Yeah it was pretty bad.

The whole ending was pretty anti-climatic.

;_;

I don't think it was THAT bad, but you could pretty much just cut it out of the movie entirely without consequence

That's what bothered you about this flick?

Not The Joker conveniently having guys with elevator-cable-shooting guns standing on exactly the right balconies near the funeral procession for JUST IN CASE the police decided to launch a helicopter for no reason?

Not the fact that between the last movie and this one, Gotham City went from Blade Runner Los Angeles in 2019 to Chicago in the present day?

>>12022606
The ferry scene was the only story in the entire movie.

People faced with unconquerable evil. Batman fails, 2face fails... The people succeed.

>>12022653
It was a comic-book movie so I was prepared for ridiculous shit happening and I never saw Batman Begins so I don't know anything about the setting changing.

But the ferry scene, man. The movie was pretty enjoyable and then ... that. I think I'd rather be raped by the huge black dude on the prison ferry than ever watch that scene again.

What's so bad about the ferry scene?

>>12022773
>I'd rather be raped by the huge black dude on the prison ferry than ever watch that scene again.
Seriously?

what about the bus backing into a bank and pulling out onto a busy street in broad daylight?

Bad movie was bad.

the Joker said he never planned nor schemed, but he did so like in the whole movie.

>>12022816
>what about the bus backing into a bank and pulling out onto a busy street in broad daylight

Wasn't it even a procession of school buses going by at exactly that moment, with just enough space for him to drive into?

I guess we're supposed to think it was a brilliantly planned crime.

>>12022845
That's the point, asscunt.

>>12022859
So the Joker lied to himself?
The whole chaos theory is rubust?

>>12022845
No. He told Harvey what he needed to hear in order to turn him to madness.

"I took Gotham's white knight and brought down to our level. It wasn't hard, you see madness as you know...."

>>12022877
No, he was lying to everyone else. In almost every interpretation of the Joker, he's not REALLY insane or any of that. It's a front put up to help him get away with what he does, and it works.

I watched this movie. It was good. I don't remember any ferry scene. Probably a good thing by the sounds of it.

>>12022859
I don't think this movie had a point. I think it desperately wanted to have a point, I think the people who made it truly believed they had made a point, but there simply wasn't any point.

In the end, it was just about a crazy guy doing crazy shit, an insane man dressed up like a bat failing to accomplish anything, and some schmuck who took advice from the man who murdered his fiancee and ruined his life. tl;dr it was about a bunch of stupid assholes.

>>12022902
Harvey was pretty dumb there.

I mean, wut, isn't it obvious that Joker did plan?
Common sense where?

>>12022914
The movie's point was more to show the state of Gotham than anything else, I thought. But that wasn't what I was referring to in my other post, I meant it was the point of what the Joker was doing.

i like Ironman 2 better than the Dark Knight

I don't like The Dark Knight because other people do like it.

And that one scene where they did that thing that I didn't like.....


JUST FUCKING RUINED THE WHOLE GODDAMN MOVIE WHAT A PIECE OF SHIT MOVIE THE DARK KNIGHT IS GOD DAMN WHAT A HORRIBLE FUCKING MOVIE.

>>12022914
The ferry scene summarizes the entire movie.

Too deep for some, I suppose.

>>12022845
>>12022928
You guys are fucking stupid or trolling.
Harvey listened cause he just got blown half to shit and wasn't mentally stable. Joker made people think he was just chaos with no plan while the whole time being intelligent and planning everything from the start.

Fuck you probably shit your brains over inceptions "tough twists and plot"

I've never seen this movie but I hate it.

Why? Because I teach film and video production at a two-year school (hey, it's an honest job and the pay's really not bad) and ever. Single. Student. I've had since The Dark Knight came out has held it up as the greatest movie of all time, the movie to which everything else must compare. Almost every day, almost every class period, I hear about The Dark Knight. Every time I demonstrate a storytelling technique or any sort of camera, editing, or audio trick, someone is guaranteed to say, "Ooh! Just like Christopher Nolan did in The Dark Knight!"

For two years now I've had to put up with this. I thought some other comic book would come along and people would latch onto it, but no. Not even Inception has ended it. Maybe when Sucker Punch comes out, the fanboys will latch onto it and, finally, I won't have to hear about The Dark Knight ever again.

While I agree the ferry scene could have been done better, killed the movie? Seriously? Come on man, it wasn't that bad. Stop exaggerating.

Then again, I guess it was about time we had another TDK hate thread.

>>12022965
Then you like shitty movies

>>12023078
If you teach film and every student talks about it... why not watch it and see for yourself? Then you can call them idiots or agree.

>>12023078
>I've never seen this film.
>I hate it because a lot of people adore it.

Well there's your problem, chief.

>>12023108
But Ironman 2 was cool.

>>12023114
>Guy reactions on /tv/

>>12023120
Drunk Tony Stark in Iron man suit douching it up.

DARK KNGIHT RELEASE HERPDERP BEST MOVIE EVER

EVERYONE ELSE STARTS LIKING IT

HERPDERP HIPSTER MOVIE SHIT

>>12023138
It's not that at all. The movie just felt bland, it centered the focus way too much around joker.

>>12023135
That scene was pretty awesome.

And ScarJo is hot.

>>12023152
That's what happens when someone dies in post production.

I'm guessing there was a lot of footage focusing on Harvey and Bruce left on the cutting floor, thanks to Heath kicking the bucket.

-They should have saved Harvey Dent for the next film.
-Batman using every cell phone in the city as sonar and to spy on their conversations was... kinda dumb and looked like a ripoff of the first Matrix. "Where's the Joker's voice coming from?" "The building to the west!" Cmon, that's such bullshit.

>>12023078
So you dislike it solely because EVERYONE TALKS ABOUT IT?!!

You don't deserve to be a film teacher. At least fucking watch it before forming an opinion.

I agree, OP. The Dark Knight's biggest flaw is that the climax was the car chase scene, everything after that seemed really lackluster.

Also: why the fuck were there only TWO ferries? I mean, the entire fucking city is trying to leave Gotham before sundown, but there are only two ferries hauling about a hundred people each. That evacuation plan sucks dicks. Was the rest of the city just waiting at the docks for the ferries to come back and pick them up, wondering when the Joker was going to start shit?

But that's not nearly as dumb as the hospital scene. "You don't want to kill me because I killed Rachel, you want to kill the police for failing to stop me from killing Rachel. This logic is so sound I'm willing to let you put a loaded gun to my head."

Nolan's Batman Timeline:


>Summer 2005-Batman began. Fuck yes. And next one is Joker? Iamokaywiththis.

>Summer 2006-Heath Ledger announced as Joker. Internet what the fucks but remains hopeful.

>Spring 2007-First pic of Joker released. People rage. Nolan's ruined a great character.

>Summer 2007-Viral campaign launches, hype builds.

>Winter 2007-First trailer and full pics of Joker released. Internet goes wild. Shit is gonna be amazing.

>January 2008-Heath dies. People freak the fuck out. Hype is built to skyscraper level.

>Spring 2008 to July 2008-Hype builds to Everest levels. THIS IS GONNA BE THE BEST SHIT EVER.

>July 18, 2008-THIS IS THE BEST SHIT EVER. JOKER WHY SO SERIOUS YES.

>Summer-Fall 2008-THAT WAS THE BEST SHIT EVER. EVERYONE AGREES AND IF THEY DON'T, THEY'RE FAGS.


>Roughly late winter 2009 to now-The Dark Knight sucked, shit was for fucking mall goths. Nolan didn't know what he was doing. Bale had throat cancer. Shit was so dumb. Over-rated.

>2nd best live action Batfilm
>My face when hipsters try to say the Burton films are good
>Also my face when people think Jack Nicholson played a good Joker instead of a good Jack Nicholson

2busyfapping 2 D Joker 2 notice

>>12023242
The timeline diverges for /tv/.

>Fall 2008
>SHITSUX LOL BALEBAT SUX BORING BLAH BLAH BLAH I HATE IT 'CAUSE THE GENERAL IS OPINION IS THAT IT IS A GOOD MOVIE

>>12023242
That is what happens to every good movie on /tv/ just look at Avatar for a more recent example

>>12023242

>/tv/ interpretation of the Nolan batman movies

OK LISTEN UP MOTHERFUCKERS

The Dark Knight is most of the most critically acclaimed movies of all time. Of course the neckbeards on /tv/ are gonna hate on TDK just because of that. If it was some obscure hipster shit, you can bet your ass these neckbeards would be all over it.

This is why we can't have nice things.

>>12023263
>implying Jack Nicholson wasn't an awesome Joker BECAUSE he was playing Jack Nicholson

I'm done with /tv/. You guys are fucking retarded.

>>12023272
I feel like backlash began right around Halloween 08, aka The Halloween Where Everyone Went As Joker.

>>12023310
I don't know about /tv/ but I don't like it because I watched it and ... didn't like it.

>>12023078
I'll bet it's really easy for students to bullshit their way through your class. I took a film class at a community college and had a teacher a lot like you and I just had to tell him what he wanted to hear.

i'm not getting it. what WAS the ferry scene? the one where all the people have to choose whether to blow up the other ferry? that wasn't that bad of a scene. what is everyone talking about?

Batman is the best at what he does. Only stands to reason that a Batman film is the best film of all time.

Pic related, you're all jelly that you'll never be as cool as a man dressing up as a bat with his pants on the outside.

>>12023388
Don't ask me, I don't get it either.

I never saw any of the Batman movies because I hate comic books and Batman in particular. I got tired of hearing everyone in class circle-jerk over TDK but it died down eventually.

>>12023414
I usually where my pants on the outside. Always in fact.

>>12023388
That is the scene people were talking about. Could it have been better? Yeah. One person on /tv/ suggested that the scene ends with both ferries exploding in order to signify how much The Joker has fucked Gotham. The way it ends feels like a copout.

>>12022816
THIS! Holy shit it wasn't even the last bus it was the 2nd to last bus! And there was a ton of fucking asbestos flying off of it too HOW DID NO ONE NOTICE THIS?! Even if the drivers were in on it no security cameras? no passerbys? No other drivers?

WTF?!

>>12023388
Because it was a glurgeriffic scene about how people are basically good and will do the right thing even though it may cost them their lives.

It was 100% dishonest, feel-good BULLSHIT that had no business being in the movie. Plus, it went on way too long, destroying the pacing and flow of the climax.

Fuck you, Nolan, Nolan, and Goyer. Fuck you right up your pale, flabby asses.

>>12023538
>BAWWWWWW PEAOPLE DOIN GOOD THINGS INSTEAD OF ACTING LIKE A VORTECKS OF DARKNESS LIEK MY OWN SEOULLLLLLLLLLLL!!!

It's still a good movie but don't be fanboys. It had serious qualms

as people said there was no way that boat scene was realistic. I'll buy the big black guy doing that because he may have actually done some soul searching while in prison and shit but other prisoners and cops would've pulled the trigger. Those civilains? no doubt about it either.

Batman was a plot device and was the most boring character...well 2nd most boring.

Harvey's little punch out and buy guns made in USA was lolwut

Him going off the deep end and blaming Batman and Gordon when he wanted to be in their secret club made no sense either. If anything he should've became a sort of pseudo vigilante kinda guy which would be at odds with Batman due to his killing mentality.

The bus scene in the beginning

Bullet science

And I hated the witty banter the cops had during the Harvey is Batman sequence. It was an imitation of the first one's car chase but it felt stupid for fellow cops to just say Oh snap that's not good that's really not good when several of their comrades just died in a helicopter explosion
and so forth

I think Begins was better because it was a bit more focused

>>12023538
Your knowledge of the Batman mythos is astoundingly low.

>>12023619
Except the whole movie is aiming for realism and darkness and tragedy and then this scene pops up and it's like wait what?

>>12023649
That post had nothing to do with the Batman mythos. Try again

>>12023623
I fucking love TDK.
But yeah, it has it's share of derp-y problems.
Pic related.
People who weren't part of the main cast chewed every bit of scenery they could find.

>>12022773

>I never saw Batman Begins so I don't know anything

I don't even have to change the text around. This excerpt explains everything.

remember when this came out, and all of /tv/ were jizzing themselves at its awsomeness?

than they realised that it wasent cool and edgy to like something that lots of people enjoyed.

I mean, its not the OMG GREATEST MOVIE EVAR like some people say it is, but it is by no means bad.

be honest with yourselves, what was ur feeling the first time you watched this movie?

>>12023652

His response was BAWWWW and accusing you of being emo. He is too retarded to understand your point.

>>12023686
THINGS ARE WORSE THAN EVURRRRRRRRRRR

>Best Batman film

>>12023667

>how people are basically good and will do the right thing even though it may cost them their lives

>That post had nothing to do with the Batman mythos

Batman has no supernatural powers. Everything he does is for good, at the risk of his own life. Plus his dad was killed trying to protect Bruce and his mom. Batman mythos is full of people trying to do what is good at risk of their own life. Even in the movie, Harvey wanted his girlfriend to be saved over himself.

>>12023623

>as people said there was no way that boat scene was realistic.

Would you push a button knowing it would kill a whole boatload of people? I sure as hell would hesitate. And I don't know if you saw the movie, but they definitely argued about it on both boats. They voted on the civilian one, so its not like none of them didn't want the button to be pushed. The whole thing was nobody could go through with pushing the button themselves.

If the boat had blown up Batman wouldn't have been able to keep talking about people being good and the rest of the film would have been completely different.

>>12023796
Time and time again the citizens of Gotham are depicted as being pretty shitty. Yes the main characters like Gordon Alfred and Bruce do all this but random citizens? How can you say that ties into the Batman mythos?

>>12023882
Realistically I think alot of people would have no problem blowing up a bunch of criminals who they pay too much damn taxes for to take care of anyway. Especially since they live in Gotham and more or less jaded and cynical fucks who want to live.

You or them sort of thing

>>12023947

>>12023078

>I've never seen this movie but I hate it.

That's why you teach film at a community college. If I was in your class, I'd be talking about The Dark Knight everyday, and when we write out whatever bullshit assignment you give out, I would pick a movie you love, and say it sucks because its gay, and its gay because it sucks balls, and continue that logic until it met the length requirements. Then I would end the assignment with "This is what it is like when you say you don't like the Dark Knight." And if you failed me, I wouldn't give a shit since I go to a community college, and at most all I lost was like 70 bucks that I paid for the class, and maybe 0.1 off my GPA that no one cares about since I go to a community college.

>>12023984
I don't get it. How this reaction image refute my point? There are plenty of oneshots and arcs where people in Gotham are shown to be dicks. It is a huge city after all. It's no Smallville.

Everything ties together and makes sense for the natural progression of the characters. Nothing wrong with that scene at all, just because nobody dies does not mean it isn't important to the story. Nitpicking to this level is obnoxious, it's almost like you people are trying to find reasons to hate it.

>>12023947

The random citizens that are shown to be shitty are like that to show how prevalent crime is in Gotham.

The point of the boat scene was to show that there is still hope in Gotham, that people aren't going to kill each other.

>>12024016
I was going to make a long post explaining my point.

But we'll never convince each other of anything.

So I'm just going to laugh at you through images.

BWARMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMNNNN
NNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

Recently watched it again.

My god this film is glorious.

The Ferry scene has some weird shit happening but still a great Humanity Fuck Yeah! moment.

The only complaint I have about this film is that Batman uses some weird ass elbow and knee only Muay Thai fighting style which looks really silly sometimes.

Also, to the realism fags:
Batman is a fucking comicbook hero. Batman begins wasnt realistic and Dark Knight didnt try to be either.

My only problem with the Ferry Scene is everything take takes place at the prison ferry.

CRIMINALS WHOSE LIVES ARE AT STAKE AND HAVE A CHANCE OF SAVING THEMSELVES BY KILLING OTHER PEOPLE DON'T WORK THAT WAY.

>>12024153
They do when the military is on board equipped with assault rifles

>>12023686
Case in point

You can nitpick almost every Nolan film because their internal logic sucks butt. It just gets tiresome after awhile.

>>12024168
They outnumber the guys. One punch thrown and the whole thing becomes a riot in seconds.

>>12024153
Yeah, as it turns out, all people in prison actually ARE psychopathic murders.

Even the ones who are in for things like theft and such.

They all also have full body sleeves of tattoos, and long, curly mustaches that they twirl while cackling maniacally.

>>12024172
>>12023686

This bothered me more than the ferry scene. Fucking hilarious though.

>>12024153

They were still under guard, yeah they could of overpowered them real quick, but that means risking getting shot at which would deter a few.

The moment I saw the Batman riding down the highway on his pimped out batbike I knew this was one of my favorite films ever. Ever.

>>12024200
>>12024153
In the context with the amount of realism the world is given it makes perfect sense. Was just to tie a nice bow on the story that in the end humanity will prevail, even if they have made some past mistakes. It's hardly the most far fetched thing in a Batman movie.

>>12024231

Did you orgasm when he flipped the bike?

It bothers me a bit how the scary black guy tells the warden to say to the other inmates that he took the detonator by force when the everyone near them could tell that the warden clearly handed it to him.

But meh, movie magic, I guess.

>>12024200
Yes. Because Prison Inmates arent handcuffed when they are transferred. Also because Assault Rifles only carry 1 shot in them.

Oh wait...

>>12024248
Don't you mean flipped the truck?

Because THAT was orgasm-worthy.

>>12024250

>>12024213
I hadn't really noticed but if you read comics expressions are often exaggerated, might have been done on purpose. I doubt he would just let his extras act like tools and leave it in.

>>12023623

>Harvey's little punch out and buy guns made in USA

The fuck are you talking about?

>>12024709
In the beginning of the movie Harvey gets "attacked" in court. The gun jammed (intentionally), Harvey punched the shooter in the face and the judges decision got postponed.

It served 2 purposes:
a.) show that the Criminals control Gotham, from the streets up to the courthouse. They played the entire justice system.

b.) a throwback to Two Faces origin story. Originally he got splashed with acid in court in a scene quite similiar to this one.

The trouble with the ferry scene is that it doesn't ring true. If you were a parent on that boat and your kids lives were in danger, you'd flip that fucking switch.

We're not really given any good reason why they don't blow each other up, except to say "oh, the city is good, it believes in something!' Yeah, but.. why. Because of Batman? Eh. Not really. And then the "gentle giant" black man who nobly throws the detonator out? Also arbitrary and difficult to believe.

What would have happened if one or both boats HAD flipped their switches? But of course, they can't. The movie requires that they don't. Because, again, it's completely arbitrary.

>>12025702
While TDK is grounded in a certain amount of reality in the end it is still a comic book story and it plays true to that. The themes are exaggerated and in the end it is a simple good vs evil plot. But even in that case you are projecting your own beliefs on the characters. There were people on each ship who voiced an opinion like yours but in the end they were drowned overruled by the people who would rather die then live with blood on their hands. While it may be hard to believe those people exist when you browse 4chan all the time I can assure you there are plenty, I'd consider myself to be one.

>>12025702
>What would have happened if one [...] boats HAD flipped their switches?
The other would explode

> or both
Impossible, If one switch is activated the other gets blown up.

And the reason why they didnt push the button is quite simple. After the initial shock of Jokers revelation they noticed that neither they nor the other boat activated the switch.

A really simple dilemma, comparable to the prisoners dillema:

If you fold, your partner is fucked
If your partner folds you are fucked
If both fold both are fucked
If neither folds then you all win.

Blowing up the other boat is a sign of weakness and in the end the Human Spirit remained superior.

iirc I quite liked the ferry scene, unless you mean the scene with the people on the ferry, which sucked rock hard cock all the way to the hilt, and then gagged up a little vomit onto the hard cock in its mouth and used the vomit as lube to shove it farther and farther down its throat.

I knew it when I read the first post, I knew it as I scrolled down the page looking for OP's replies. I knew why he and others didn't like the ferry scene.

They don't like it because its "moralfag" shit. Hurrr dey shud kill eachotter. I'm so edgy and cynical. People kill each other in the real world, so I would flip the switch.

GEE I WONDER WHY THE WORLD FUCKING SUCKS MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE OF ALL THE LITTLE FAGGOTS WHO ARE SO GODDAMN PARANOID ABOUT OTHERS THAT THEY FLIP THE FUCK OUT OVER PETTY SHIT. MAYBE THE POINT OF THE SCENE WAS TO SHOW THAT HELL, IT JUST MAY BE POSSIBLE FOR EVERYONE NOT TO ACT LIKE CONCEITED BASTARDS FOR FIFTEEN FUCKING MINUTES AND MAKE A GOOD DECISION BASED ON MUTUAL BENEFITS OF TAKING THE HIGHER ROAD. BUT I BET THAT DIDN'T CROSS YOUR MIND BECAUSE YOU WERE TOO BUSY SUCKING DOWN MTN DEW AND BEATING HOOKERS TO DEATH IN GTA BECAUSE YOU THINK THAT HAPPENS IN REAL LIFE.

>>12025812

Honestly the ending kind of felt like I was watching Spiderman 2 again(which I swore on my mother's cigarette stained death bed that I never would again.)

not about to read this whole thread, but what was the ferry scene? i don't even remember a ferry scene.

What the fuck was wrong with the ferry scene? I thought it was just fine, if not great.

Oh wait, this is 4chan I'm talking to.

My good nobody understands the Harvey story line.

He flipped for the Joker, Joker lived. He flipped for both the crooked cops one died one lived. He flipped for Eric Roberts he passed but to be a dick about it he flipped for the driver (the best 2face scene in the movie). Okay the finale was a bit of a clusterfuck.

He flipped for Himself (something 2face would do). He flipped for Bats. And he flipped for the kid(WTF) he should have flipped for Gordon. but I digress.

He didn't magically forgive the Joker, Joker just convinced him to give him a chance. I think they played the coin up enough through the movie.

I'm gonna be honest I'm a big 2Face fan. So I'm probably a little lenient on this aspect of the story. But I can see how it could be confusing that Harvey became two face.

But yeah ferry scene crap. Joker should have had a better evil guy plot. And with the exception of the Car Chase and maybe the penthouse fight the action scenes were a bit bland.

>>12025836

>if people on the other boat press this button you die, if you press your button they die and you live
>Everyone sits down, there are no riots, people just elevate their voices slightly

what

>>12023709

See this pissed me off. How the fuck are things worse than ever? Less crooked cops with more power and ability to stop crime instead of sitting back and taking it, criminals scared to even sell a few drugs to random joes just because of a fucking signal in the clouds, mafia deals and such getting taken down left and right, legitimate lawyers and such working hard to take down crime families, etc etc

The fucking place was a lot better. Hell, even the slums or underbelly of gotham or whatever the fuck that was all depressing in the last movie now looks moderately okay, or at least Gordon's area does.

Since I don't feel like making a separate thread, I'll talk about it here.

I live in NYC and I just came back from my friend's house in Astoria, Queens. He told me the roads were being closed because they are filming something.

Apparently this something is the next Batman movie. I'm kind of curious, so I may go check it out. If anyone shows interest, I'll take some pictures and report back later today.

>>12026025
How long and where? I might go check it out or something.

>>12026025
DO IT FOR THE GREATER GOOD

I thought it would've been awesome if during the Ferry scene, one or both of the parties hit the switch, but in true Joker fashion (or at least, what should'veb een his fashion), the switch that gets activated has it's boat blown up.

Joker would still get to say that those people chose to kill the others, but it's a lot more maniacal to tell them they're killing the others when they're really going to kill themselves.

Also, it's not "hurr durr moralfag" to say that in the real world people would hit that switch. Hell, it's not even a "people are evil in the real world" thing, this shit isn't black and white, this guy had a perfect example with the parent thing: >>12025702

The IMAX scenes had ridiculous quality, whole movie should've been shot with IMAX cameras.

>>12026072

Both blowing up would be better.

Or neither and instead another hospital.

>>12026100

...which is lost a bit on JPG. Here's PNG instead

Hey guys, you guys who comment on Harvey descending to madness. Don't you realise that he loved and was going to marry that girl. Then she just died. So he lost his job, love, beauty and his reputation in one night. He was boiling with anger, a feeling so hard that no one of us could ever experience it.

i didnt think there was anything wrong with the ferry scene. i guess some people dont like movies that dont end in huge explosions.

>>12026034
I take the N to Broadway and walk to 31st