OP here, I´m sorry for any mistakes in my English. It is not my native language.

Where do you live OP? In a European welfare state by any chance?

>>508828
Yes, you are right. Why?

>>508826
If you think that's how "most people" live, you need to read more.

Most people live in desperate hope they'll be able to not die from war, disease, starvation, etc. today.

I'm with you, I don't want to live the way most people do. But take a minute to be grateful as Hell you live in a society where ennui about materialism is your biggest problem.

>>508827
Your English is very decent, especially for a non-native speaker. Don't worry about it.
You should read up on wwoofing and couchsurfing, both sound like things that could help you with fulfilling your dream.

>>508831
Well said sir.

>>508829
Dunno about you, but here in Germany you receive relatively decent welfare payments if you don't have a job, so you could basically travel at the expense of the state, especially since travelling by foot/bike is probably the cheapest way to travel (providing you carry a tent with you).

>>508826
Begging?
Freedom doesn't sound so alpha anymore now does it?

If you want to preserve the alpha feel, mug and steal stuff from others.

Throughout the history of all lifeforms, everyone has had to spend conciderable amounts of time trying not to die. From starvation, temperature, disease, etc.

Google couchsurfing. It's basically travelling people living on other people's couches when travelling to other cities and offering their own couches in return. Don't know how that works if you don't have a home though...

Most larger cities with public transportation allow you to ride free if you're prepared to run from the inspectors & possibly struggle a bit.

Hitchhike.

Food is difficult. Talk people into buying you meals?? Steal? Can't really come up with anything.

>>508832
>>508839
Thanks for your advice.

>>508831
I understand what you're saying. I know I'm lucky to live in a situation in where I don't have to worry about the primary things neccesary to stay alive. It is because I don't have to worry about these things that I can spend time on figuring out how to live a fullfilling life. There is no reason to be satisfied with a comparatively good life when it can be better.

>>508842
Altough stealing is a possibility, it is not something I'd like to do. It is also something on wich I wouldn't need to ask advice from you. I've come here to ask if there are any other ways to sustain myself along the way besides humiliating and irreliable ways like begging and immoral ways like stealing.

>>508844 There is no reason to be satisfied with a comparatively good life when it can be better.

Fair enough -- spoken like a gentleman.

I have been thinking about survival training, in that way I could (at least in theory) provide food for myself. At least when I'm not in a city, or something like that. Does anyone of you have experience with something like that? Is it an idea that could work?

>>508845
Thank you.

Dude, srsly. Americans made this an art.

>>508848
I'm not familiar with that.
Could you give names/book titles/online articles I could use for research on this subject? (The research is, ofcourse, for acquiring the practical skills involved with this.)

>>508847
survival in the wilderness is not something you learn from watching man vs wild on tv, it takes years of training to learn the skills you need to live without the help of people around you.

Or you could just screw all that and live in a cave and eat bugs.

But for my real advise I suggest that you simply steal what you need.
I know you said that you think it's immoral, but as long as you dont kill or hurt anyone and only steal what you need to survive there's little or nothing wrong with that.

>>508850
Google "hitchhiker," "hobo," and "tramp."

>>508851
Thanks, any advice on how I should train?

>>508852
Do you have anything more usefull than that?

>>508854
simple answer is in the military.
Even the army teaches some skills to survive without having a mcdonalds around the corner, but the best place to learn would be in the special forces. If your country doesn't have any try applying to other nations like america or england, they sometimes offer greencards for those who are looking to enlist.

>>508851
Yeah, it is wrong when it's possible to get what you need without taking from people who deserve what they have a little more than you. I'm a bleeding heart liberal, but I'm against stealing in general. There is hardly ever a good excuse, and when this person is leaving a stable life of working for what he has, contributing and reaping the benefits, for a life of taking from others, it seems wrong.

>>508854
Here's some tips:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobo

eat rocks and drink rain

>>508856
I said I was looking for freedom, the military doesn't seem to be the right place.

>>508858
That's what I meant.

>>508859
Thanks.

Does anyone have more information on how to learn suvivaltechniques?

>>508872
Survival techniques are not the same thing as learning to be self-sufficient in the wilderness. Survival techniques as they are usually taught apply to extreme situations in which you have to rely on the most basic commodities and tools to get food and shelter while seeking rescue, otherwise you will die. Hunting without a firearm is a long tedious process, and a lot of times you wont catch anything for days. Likewise, wild plants won't provide you with a lot of nutrition for the amount of work it takes to collect them. This is why they call it 'survival' and not 'living comfortably outside'.

Become a lawyer. No boss ftw!

Learn to shoplift. Steal food.

Learn to break locks. Go to somewhere else, be someone else. I don't know, may be be a Tyler Durden. You said you wanted freedom, right? Yeah, that is not possible in a materialistic-driven world and with this monetary system.

Either cheat it by stealing and lying and being total alpha and killing when necessary or be a slave or you might as well try wild life and die, too.

Except that it takes less energy to gather wild edibles than it does to chase, capture, or hunt animals which may in turn bite a chunk out of your ass.....
Seriously, there are lots of edible plants out there, depending on where you live. And when it came to hunter and gatherer societies, they typically did more gathering than hunting.

>>508872
There are plenty of books out there, hit up your local library. Or use the internet which you obviously have access to.

>>508941
Every landscape is different, different types of terrain mean different types of plant. So unless you have an encyclopedia of edible plants with you or you're well experienced, you're going to have to spend long hours testing what's good to eat, and gathering a decent amount of it. Unless you're lucky and come across some fruit trees in season or wild tubers, you're going to be eating high fibre, low carbohydrate plants, which take a good deal of energy to digest, making them inefficient as nutrition. It's fine and even enjoyable for a few days, but it's not a long term solution to feeding yourself while travelling.

I guess a lot of us (specially here in /trv/) have faced similar dilemmas. I find myself daydreaming about a lifestyle where I can live life actually enjoying it.

Of course contributing to the materialistic society doesn't make any sense, because it alienates people to the point of being worker bees. I guess it's also based on the idea that the whole system virtually ignores death as a concept, and all what it implies.

You know, it's kinda funny since I guess the only certainty you have as a human being when you come to this planet is that someday you're going to die. But the whole rat race is oriented towards you ignoring this fact, you go ahead and study so you can have a nice job and eventually have lots of money, only to pay for stuff you don't really need so you have to keep working endlessly. You and I have, however, realized that someday we are going to die, and since we only have one shot at existing, we may aswell make the best out of it. I agree on this idea and I also agree with what you said, I also have a relatively decent situation but this doesn't mean we have to perpetuate the system only because we're at the top (and believe me, we're not -specially not me, being South American-, or else you wouldn't even be here questioning this).

1/3

What advice can I offer you OP? I have travelled a lot in my life, and I guess this is very achievable as long as you don't have a kid. If you have no one depending on your actions, you make lead these to whichever direction you'd like.

For me work has been a tool to reach a goal more than a goal itself (as in, my goal is to achieve xxxx job). I started like this: When I got out of college I worked for aproximately a year, saved up some money, and backpacked for a whole year through south america. I went through Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia and Peru. It was hands down amazing. When you are actually on the road you realize that it is actually possible to live in different rhythms, and experiencing different cultures also teach you so. I'd spend complete afternoons in bolivia just chatting with some people, beholding life. Plus, when you backpack, you have the freedom to take your time the way you like, stay a month in a place and leave if you have the urge to do so in any moment.

After that trip I got a working visa in Australia and also stayed there for a year. The other whole year I spent travelling down Southeast Asia (Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar, Thailand and India) and I just knew this is what I wanted to do with my youth.

2/3

I say this because I am currently 28 and still feel like travelling. I am currently raising money for this. You have to also think that not all moments in travelling are beautiful, there are lots of times when you feel like you want to return home or you just feel lonely. This didn't happen a lot to me because I am a very social person and didn't have a hard time making friends wherever.

So, my advice would be... just go for it. Don't worry about the money really. When you run out you just have to settle for a while, with travelling as a goal, and when you have enough you just go for it. Plus, if you don't really mind about confort (like having to use a bed every night) it is actually very cheap to travel the world. You also have to review your diet. I would just travel with a big bag of rice, and you'd be amazed on how long one of those things last. The rest I would buy on each given place, a small portion of vegetables and very rarely some meat (except in South America). Travel now because you are young. Your legs can walk and your eyes can see, why save this moment for an inexisting future just to have financial security? You know life is not about money, so don't make it about that.

Oh yeah, and about 'survival techniques' I'd say they're not THAT necessary. I mean, you have to know how to cook and how to manage yourself in general, but you don't have to actually live in a forest most of the times, so I think it's ok. Don't find an excuse to overprepare and delay your travel.

Keep your spirit high, and don't ever forget what you are feeling now. Just embark yourself in the greatest journey in your life, as you will never regret it.

Sorry if my english is also ununderstandable at times. It isn't my native language either (but hey, i learnt it on the road and on the bed.)

3/3

Oh, and ask me anything you'd like. I'm gonna be here for a while.

>>508971
Not OP but were you ever seriously worried about going broke and potentially being stuck on the street homeless? 20 years old and have a similar situation here.. some money saved up, a job interview tomorrow. But that wanderlust man, it's running so strong right now. I could go ahead and backpack around right now and it may last me a year or two. OR I can land this new job and fight off the wanderlust for 2 or 3 more years while I save up roughly $40k for long term travel and probable relocation. Everyone's trying to dissuade me from traveling.. "you need more money, you're going to be completely fucked! Think realistically!"" But then I get to thinking.. you get only one life, and in the end all your money and material posessions add up to nothing, so why not go out and enjoy life, taking risks while you're young before you're too old and brittle to do anything. Tough decisions man. tough decisions. Care to share any insight on this from your personal experiences?

>>509019

Of course I did. I mean.. the fact that I went backpacking doesn't mean (like some people tend to think) that you go being a bum across the world without a single buck. I do make a general outline timewise on how much do I have to work in order to travel for at least a year. When you are already there, of course some oportunities present themselves and you end up working somewhere, as it is part of the whole process. But you do have some back up to not end up stranded and alone in a foreign country. It is a though decision but I would encourage everyone who can and has the mental strenght to take it. Because it takes that more than money or anything else for that matter.

>>508826
What is a house? A place to keep all of your crap.
When all of your crap fits into a Navy sea bag, your house can now be wherever you put that bag down. People don't need as much stuff as they claim that they need.
Do you play an instrument? Panhandling (asking for money on the street) can keep you afloat, plenty of people live that life. If you can play an instrument you can make even more. My old violin teacher would tell me about going to downtown San Diego and making a couple hundred a day by playing.

>>508848
Damn straight we did.