I think in Europe you'll find it's a proper job you have to go and find, rather than an occupation where you might get hired in your home country like JET.

Have any teaching experience? TEFL certificate?

No. I'm graduating with an English degree, if that helps. I've heard that the TEFL was a waste of money.

Hey looks like I was wrong - check out
http://www.frenchculture.org/spip.php?rubrique424&tout=ok

Also
http://www.transitionsabroad.com/listings/work/esl/articles/teachineurope.shtml

>>324456
...I love you my fellow /trv/ler. This is why this board is the best of 4chan. Thanks.

>>324457
>>324456
Thanks, man.

>>324457
It sounds like teaching English in Asia is a hell of a lot better than teaching in Europe. Better pay less hours...etc.

>>324452
You can't just go and teach in most countries without relevant qualifications. What languages do you speak? That obviously restricts where you can teach.

>>324493
Not OP. But I'm very interested in teaching abroad. I speak English and a little Spanish.
Do you need to speak the language to teach English in Europe? I only ask because it's not a requirement for South Korean or Japanese teaching positions.

Bump for info.

>>324523
>>324496
please see.>>324493

Do you want to know why so many more /trv/ler's are interested in teaching English in Asian countries than Europe? It's not because they're weabo faggots that want to impress the tiny women with their 5 inch cocks, it's because Asian countries have lower qualifications and better pay. Average salary for a month in South Korea is roughly 3k USD, in France you'd get around 1.2k USD.

It's just better to teach in Asia. Of course if you're not interested in the money, you can get a few semesters of French under your belt and hope you get really lucky.

>>324545
Is this true?

>>324593

It's a gross exaggeration when it comes to the money but otherwise it is

>>324605
well fuck.

You can make like $1,750 a month max in Korea but the living costs are so low you can't spend all of that since you will likely have rent provided.

Yeah, it is way, way, way easier to get a job though. France, or most places in Europe will require some serious qualifications and a near-native grasp of their language and like... being an actual teacher.

>>324630
$1,750? That can't be right. That's barely over minimum wage in the US.

>>324635
Around $1200 to $1500 a month for South Korea
and $2500 to $3000 for Japan. The only real difference is the cost of living which is much higher in Japan.

>>324545

Ding ding ding. Also, most European countries would want someone from an English speaking European country, not some lameass American.

>>324635
Congratulations, you just became aware that just about everyone other than the Europeans and the Japanese make less on average. $1,750 is a damn good wage in Korea. Just like $800 is enough to live like a king in China

>>324652
There are English speaking countries out side of Britain?

>>324663
... well, if Gibraltar counts as a country, it IS out of the British Isles. Otherwise >>324652 is a retard.

So what I'm getting from this thread is: Teach in Asia, it's better in every way?

OP here. So now, I'm trying to decide between teaching English in South Korea or in Japan.

I'd like a little advice on this one. From experience, which position do you think would be more culturally rewarding, which language will be more useful, and which country has a more interesting history?

just do Korea man

>>324849
korea's culture is dull in comparison to japan's. you can see all there is to see in korea, culturally speaking, in around a month, while in japan it will take you around 3. honestly both korean and japanese are deadend languages; they arent spoken much anywhere other than in their respective countries. but in my opinion, skorea has a lot more room for future development as opposed to japan which seems like its reached its peak. when it comes to history, i feel like korea is the most interesting. as i looked into it, i start to get the feeling that korea itself had a huge, albeit passive, role in starting the first world war, which eventually led to the second. so up to you to choose OP.

>>324663
1750 is not a great wage in korea. my bro made 2.2 mill won per month teaching and it was not considered a good wage unless you included the free housing, plane ticket, and 13 month bonus at the end of the year then it was "OK" wage. my gf is korean and makes about 2600 usd per month which she said was average ish with a lib arts degree. soeul is expensive outside seoul and busan 1750 might be alright.

5th most expensive city in the world for expats is seoul:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_cities_for_expatriate_employees

>>324690
Ireland and Scotland would like to have a word with you.

>>324849

So after finding out that you wont make so much money in an European country you decided to go to Asia cause you get more money and its easier to find a job there. Why dont you just stay where you are and get a job and save the money and take a tripp.

>>324545
avg starting pay in sk is about 2k/month

>>324854
>when it comes to history, i feel like korea is the most interesting.
gonna call you out on that one, bro, my qualifications being that i majored in history at uni and am pretty well versed in the history of both nations. no way you can compare japan's long and glorious samurai traditions and the sagas they inspired with the shiteating korean history of enduring invasion after invasion from foreign threats.
i also live in korea now and agree that it's a pretty useless language, but reeeealy easy to learn.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erasmus_Programme

France is falling slowly... I'm telling you, I live there...

>>324869
Not so much the money. I have no knowledge of any language other than English, and while I theoretically have a year in which to learn French, I simply have too much on plate. Most Asian programs will introduce me to a beautiful and unique foreign culture while providing me with the job experience I'll need to compete in the European markets. I plan to spend a year in Asia, save money, then head to France. This way I'll have experience and the money to kick around the country for work. From what I've read it's best to actually be in the country, if you're looking for a teaching position.

>>324906
what?

>>324887
>the shiteating korean history of enduring invasion after invasion from foreign threats
haha i guess you dislike korean history for the same reason i love it. they go through all of that shit and actually pull together and jump right back at it. it is getting really close to becoming a 1st world country. the advancement of korea as a country in the last 50 years is, in my opinion, just fuckawesome. japan's history just feels too much like america's in a lot of fundamental ways so meh. but i can agree to disagree. i mean who doesnt like samurais?

>>325012
my fellow frenchman is right. france is clearly declining economically, socially and politically.

i also remember being taught in uni by one of those native who got hired just because he was a native. i remember how bored he looked while teaching, only paying attention to pretty female students. so for god's sake, remember teacher is a job that requires true interest into education and higher skills than just being able to get a fucking TEFL or whatever. otherwise i hope your students will plant a bomb in your car.

>>324857
Seoul:
2009 - 51
2008 - 5

whats with the major decrease?

>>325055
do you mean it's too american? this girl I know forever complains about the starbucks being there

>>325055
>>325055
OP here. I absolutely agree. When I'm finished traveling, I'm going to grad school to become a professor. I love teaching, and I honestly believe that the only difference between a good teacher and a bad one, is interest. Some teachers just talk. I don't want to be one of those teachers.

So, if there are any former English teachers lurking /trv/ I'd love to read any advice you might have.

>>325060
No. I mean basic things like, as a young man, not being able to get a decent job - shitty job market. the real estate market is also really expensive, so young couples will contract a heavy mortgage on 30 years at least just to buy a small house in some shithole, or they'll live in their parents home until 30. in france, if you have a job and if you bought a property before 1995, you're safe. if you've just graduate, look for settling a life, emigrate or get stuck in a mcjob. i'm sure other eurofags understand what i mean (italy, spain, greekfags to name a few of them). generazione 1000 euro.

>>325097
Yeah, I agree with you. I'd heard about the housing issue. Do you have any idea just what's causing all this?

>>325097
Sure, housing's a bitch, but the rest should be getting better in a few months. By the time OP finishes his time in Japan or SK and gets over to France, it should be well turned around.

It always comes back to Japan, doesn't it, you faggots.

this thread is depressing. France is my Japan if you know what I mean

>>325320
and I think adieu...

>>325206
>>325143
>>325097
So what's going on in France? I must have missed it on the news.

>>325662
Same thing that's happening everywhere else. But since France has a lot of social programs, the effects of the economic meltdown are more pronounced.

>>325662
Some kid trolling.

>>325763
>since France has a lot of social programs, the effects of the economic meltdown are more pronounced
Actually the exact contrary happens

social programs or not, France has lived with a 10% unemployment rate for thirty years. such rate would make americans rage, as it actually does (did?) during the crisis. but in france the burden is felt mainly on the shoulders of young people, because in france it's hard to fire so employers avoid to fire oldfags while they dont hire newfags. another reasons too but it's not an economics thread.

so could I go there and do shitty jobs for pennies (err the Euro equivalent) and then eventually be able to work at a fastfood place, etc. ?

>>325822
Sure

There are a lot of foreign students who do that in France

>>325822
ask Mcdonald's, they always look for people. usually. but i doubt you'll live nicely.

how difficult is it to be an au pair?

>>325838
Really depends on the family. That's like asking how difficult it is to be a bear trainer.

>>325815
Yeah, I heard about young people rioting in France over empoyment. I thought it was just silly eurobullshit.

well they protest at the drop of a hat. I guess it actually works

>>326249
I wouldn't say that, per se. It's just a different social climate. In the U.S. young people are processed from birth by MTV and mass marketing so all they care about are spray-on tans, material possessions, and celebrities. And while those forces do exist in France it's not quite as extensive. The French are born revolutionaries. They're passionate dreamers.

>>326258
When the fuck did Jean Reno become the king of /trv/?

The man is ugly as hell.

>>324893
Fuck i wish i wasn't canadian so badly

look at those kids, they look like they're having so much fun...

can we still count canada as a part of britain just until i apply for this?

>>326269
He has international appeal, and he's unconventionally handsome, like Humphrey Bogart. Face it, asshole. He's the perfect face for /trv/.

>>326258
ITT: Eurosnobbery.

Hey I was wondering, could I as a German go and teach English in Japan/Korea/Anywhere in Asia too?

I speak English almost perfectly and I think it would be quite an interesting experience for a year or two

>>326413
English? No. Though you speak it perfectly, you'll never speak it like a native, and that's what they want. As a German, however, you could teach German in Japan. After all, some Japanese companies will need to do business with German companies. There won't be as large a market, but then again there won't be as many German's looking for work.

>>325806
What do you mean?

I know this thread has gotten a bit off topic, but which area of France in preferable for newcomers? I'm thinking of trying to teach there next year and I'd like to know where I should look for work.

I love the ocean and Corsica looks beautiful.

>>327090
...stay thirsty my friends.
[spoiler]There's nothing funny about spousal abuse[/spoiler]

>>327190

>>326269
It's good to be the king.

What do you think of as handsome anyway? Cute faces with tiny waists and six-pack abs? Jean Reno is a real man. Stop playing JRPG's and maybe you'd recognize one.

>>327421
I just think men should look a little less weird.

>>327567
He's not weird.

Portugal is a lot underrated in terms of tourism.

Its one of the safest countries in Europe, young people generally speak english fluently, its cheap, has a warm weather, good looking girls, bars, attractions, beaches, history, etc.

>>327943
That's probably true. I never hear a bout Portugal. Ever. Like an idiot, I literally thought it was in South America.
What's the cost of living like? Are the women cute?

>>327993 here. I'm an idiot. All questions were answered in previous post.

>>327993
jesus christ get the fuck out of /trv/ you makem e want to shit in my eyes so i don't ever have to read what you just wrote again. You are everything that could possibly go wrong on /trv/

i mad.

do french only make friends as a child? I read that somewhere that I would never find friends as I'm in my 20s

>>328003
You'll make friends, but the French prefer long friendships to short acquaintances.

>>328003
No, you're going to die alone.

On an unrelated note, How might one get involved in the French/American cultural exchange program?

>>327995
Like you fucking know where Portugal is.

>>327993

I love you

>>327943
Nigga, fuck you Portugal! Where the fuck were you during WWII?!

Your women aren't even cute...fuck you.

>>328409
Unfortunately not everyone is as retarded as you yanks. Shut your fucking mouth when the grown-ups are talking, all right idiot?

>>328442
You're just fucking jealous because we invented democracy, mathematics, air conditioning, the automobile, television, and the computer. Eat that eurofag!

>>328442
WTF did europe ever invent besides the black plague and crepes?

>>328897
The Web.

>>328904
Last time I checked the internet started as a U.S. defense system information sharing protocol...also Al Gore is American.

>>328896
You didn't invent any of those things!

>>328907
Internet != World Wide Web.

>>328910
>>328908
I'll tell you what we DID invent, Winning World War II. ...but I guess that's something you Eurotrash faggots wouldn't know about.

>>328914
I know you are a troll, but have sum lulz.

Now, to get this thread back on topic, How might I become involved in the French/America cultural exchange program?

So, allow me to be ignorant here, but how exactly do you teach English in a country where you don't know the native language?

>>329008

In Japan at least the students foreign teachers are given are not 100% beginners.

>>329028

>>329008
In Europe, you don't. In Japan students are required to take as many English classes as the average American student. But, while these classes do involve spoken English on occasion, they are primarily focused on the composition of the English language(I.E. How it is written and organized). So when a Japanese student graduates they can read English, and to a lesser extent understand it when spoken, BUT they cannot speak it properly...also when a /trv/ talks about teaching English in Asia, they're talking about becoming the (native)English teacher's assistant.(I.E. the trained monkey that talks American to the class.)

>>327943
How's Portugal during the summer? My girlfriend and I were planning on hitting the Golf of Mexico, but thanks to big oil that's out. How are the beaches, and what attractions does it have?

>>329235
Wouldn't you rather spend the summer squeegeeing out geese and other wildlife?

>>329235

beaches are pretty good, expect around 30-35 ºC in summer

pic related, the beach close to my place