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  • File : 1284080808.png-(104 KB, 325x226, Blackout_(1).png)
    104 KB Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:06 No.1865118  
    just watched transformers by michael bay. designs didnt upset me except starscream. can anyone point me in the direction of a good toy of this badass and bumblebee?

    also no trolling, seemed liked Bay kept trying to make the whole movie accessible to ghetto black people to the point where it really came across as racist. I already know about herp and derp so I know it isn't just me..
    >> Oblivion W. Guns !IPiPBOY0m2 09/09/10(Thu)21:14 No.1865132
    Battle blades bumble bee is as screen accurate as you can get and cool as crap, imho.

    As far as blackout goes:
    Dunno. Haven't seen him.
    >> That Nameless Seeker From That One G1 Episode !!TxFB7KDjRDX 09/09/10(Thu)21:14 No.1865133
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    >Movie Blackout
    >good toy
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:18 No.1865139
    >>1865132
    This !

    >>1865133
    This...
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:18 No.1865140
    the toy is only a loose representation of the character. whilst good in and of itself, it will never do DAT POSE. also, the automorph gimmick (a spring-loaded head/chest reveal) is hit or miss. non of mine have ever worked, though its never negatively affected either mode.

    and GET BATTLE BLADE BUMBLEBEE in stores now
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:23 No.1865149
    >>1865140

    Not to mention he's one of the shortest Voyagers ever and the entire helicopter tail just hangs off his back in robot mode.

    Him and Bonecrusher really need new molds, they got fucked over.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:26 No.1865153
    The Human Alliance Bumblebee is a good representation too. It's larger than Battle Blade Bumblebee... but it's also $20 more. And comes with a tiny Shia LeBeouf, which I bet you'll count as a negative.

    Yeah, you may as well go for BBBB.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:29 No.1865161
    Most people who complain about Starscream's appearance don't even know the reason why he looks like that.
    >> tom !!CqIc3YLv7hw 09/09/10(Thu)21:30 No.1865163
    >>1865161

    is 'it's stupid looking' not a good enough reason?
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:30 No.1865164
    >>1865161
    Is it because he looks like a star?
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:32 No.1865167
    >>1865161
    His body doesn't fit the character, if you didn't know it was Starscream (which honestly there's nothing about him that screams "Starscream", like evey other Bayformer), you would think he's some big tough brute instead of the weasley fuck that Starscream is.

    And that would be all well and fine if they made Starscream a dumb brute, but no, they tried to make him like his G1 counterpart was.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:33 No.1865170
    >>1865163
    >>1865164
    It's because F-22 fighter jets are a hell of a lot bigger then cars, since the movie actually makes some effort to pay attention to scale if he looked more like G1 he'd be more then three times the height of Prime.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:34 No.1865171
    >>1865170
    You're and idjit.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:35 No.1865173
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    >>1865170
    >since the movie actually makes some effort to pay attention to scale
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:36 No.1865175
    starscream is fine. people are just whiny bitches
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:36 No.1865176
    >>1865170
    ...Couldn't they just put some mass into big giant wings, rather than putting it all in the armpits?
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:37 No.1865179
    >>1865175
    He's the wrost of the litter. I'm okay with Ironhide for being a black pickup, for no reason, more than I'm okay with Starscream looking herpyderpy
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:37 No.1865181
    >>1865179
    Actually scratch that, Megatron was the worst of the litter, but Starscream isn't much ahead
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:38 No.1865182
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    >>1865175
    "I'M STUPIIID!"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IYe8JRVzAE
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:38 No.1865183
    These are the black people in Michael Bay's Transformers movies, in their entirety:

    Tyrese - Token black for the soldier crew, lines consist of "UH, YEAH, BRING IT!"

    Jazz - The black Autobot. Says things like, "What's crackin, bitches?"; the only Autobot to die in the first film, fulfills the token black deathwish trend.

    Herp & Derp - Post-Mountain Dew/X-Games/Disney cartoons characters that are so racist they harken back to 1920's adds with huge lips, say all kinds of stupid shit.

    Ironhide - A black truck, shows off his guns, says stuff like "Decepticon bitches" in a movie based off a fucking kids cartoon.

    Mikaela - has taken so much black dick she's honorary, like the Dave Chapelle racial draft skit. Stands around looking confused and slutty, steals cars.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:38 No.1865184
    >>1865173
    Is it perfect? No. But considering most other series pay absolutely not attention at all. Hence why I said "some".
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:40 No.1865188
    >>1865183
    Ironhide is supposed to be a Heston spoof, for some reason.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:41 No.1865192
    >>1865184
    No, it's never good.

    You're right, planes are big, much bigger than trucks. And yet Starscream is roughly the size of Megatron, who is roughly the size of Prime.

    I don't see miuch instance where scale issues are any better.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:43 No.1865198
    >>1865176

    a raptor is nearly 3 times the size of a semi truck. his design makes perfect sense when you consider the scale issues you would have trying to make something that big smaller or comparable .

    people are honestly too stuck in the past with transformers. he is fine and totally fits the role he plays.

    read the reign of starscream and fit the gaps that the movie doesn't cover. you'll see its his lack of intelligence that make him a piss poor leader and coward and not his brute size.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:44 No.1865202
    >>1865198
    >Not liking Bayformers
    >GEEWUNER
    wat
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:44 No.1865203
    >>1865192
    >>1865192
    >>1865192
    >>1865192
    movie screamfag status: TOLD
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:46 No.1865206
    >>1865192

    starscream is bigger then prime or megs, the chicken legs are too make up for that.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:46 No.1865209
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    >>1865198
    >raptor is nearly 3 times the size of a semi truck.

    Not according to the movies it's not.
    >> tom !!CqIc3YLv7hw 09/09/10(Thu)21:47 No.1865210
    >>1865198

    you don't have to be a durr durr G1fag to think Starscream has a terrible design. my little cousin calls him 'the flying Dorito' every time I see him. I don't know why you're going on and on about scale when his size has nothing to do with his design.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:47 No.1865211
    >>1865198
    But my issue is that they crammed geewun scream into a not geewun scream role.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:48 No.1865212
    >>1865206
    >>1865209
    NOPE.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:48 No.1865214
    >>1865198
    I'm actually a big Movie-Starscream fan who doesn't care much for G1, and I like his design the way it is. But you didn't answer my question.

    People say he needs to be extremely wide to be on equal height with Prime and Megs. But rather than just having broad shoulders, couldn't all that mass just as easily go into, for example, big wings that hang off the back of a thinner robot mode?

    I'm not asking because I want his design to be different, I just don't think that excuse makes any sense.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:49 No.1865215
    >>1865210 his size has nothing to do with his design.

    Uhh, scale has everything to do with his design.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:49 No.1865217
    People are complaining about him not fitting his character? May I ask, WHAT CHARACTER? He had like what, a total of maybe 20 lines in both films? He and the rest of the transformers are basically in name only. Sure, the body wouldn't fit G1 Starscream, but that's because he had a character to portray.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:50 No.1865219
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    Starscream is shaped like a star.

    All your arguments are invalid.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:50 No.1865220
    >>1865215
    No it doesn't, you can design him however you want. Proportions != Design limitations.

    He could be tall and slender if he wanted to, he would be a tower of a being, but you could still make him slender.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:51 No.1865221
    >>1865219
    A star drawn by a 2 year old maybe.

    Looks a lot more like an upside down triangle.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:52 No.1865222
    >>1865217
    In the scenes in which he DOES talk, it's clear they tried to shoehorn Starscream's persona of being a cowardly backstabber into this hulk of a body.


    But yes, Characters like Sideswipe have no actual character, they would have ANY OTHER NAME and it would make as much sense. Camshaft? Sure why not?
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:53 No.1865223
    >>1865209
    Maybe Starscream just has an amazing amount of back kibble....
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:54 No.1865225
    >>1865209

    starscream transforms out and in to himself while prime stays almost the same length and collapses down on himself in alt mode.

    its how they transform that makes the difference and why he is as wide as he is.

    there is simply more junk in starscreams trunk to account for. they did a hell of a job creating a bot out of that mass they had to somehow shrink down into a compact size.

    people that seem to complain about his size or shape dont seem to get that or understand fully how they transform into bot and alt modes.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:55 No.1865226
    >>1865222
    >>1865217
    None of the transformers save maybe prime, wheelie, and jetfire had any lines at all other than nondescript shouting and screaming.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:56 No.1865228
    >>1865225
    Oh I get it, he has convenient plot proportions. You can't take the postion that Bay went for more scale accurate scenes when it's very clear that the CGI models were just resized to fight each other. I mean what happens with Starscream is supposed to be bigger? His chest puffs out 3x it's size and his head explands?

    The Raptor is a stupidly big plane, and that image really doesn't make it feel like he's big.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)21:57 No.1865229
    TL;DR whining bitchfest, go buy one of the recent 'Bees

    /thread
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)22:00 No.1865233
    >>1865225
    As if PANELS PANELS PANELS doesn't explain for most of his transformation, like any other bay design. If we were tlaking about more traditional designs I would totally be with you "If he's a big fat jet, he's probably going to be a big fat robot", but there's so much CGI trickery going on that there's no reason they can't just shift his weight to different positions.

    Like said before, his wings could fold up and the undersides would wrap tight to become a thinner torso with wings.

    And plus, they're aliens, they don't need to be accurate to the Earth vehicles they represent, because Earth vehicles sure as hell can't perform like they do.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)22:01 No.1865237
    The best advice you'll ever get for buying Bayformers is:

    "Did it appear in the movie?":
    >No
    Then it's probably a good buy

    >Yes
    Ehhhh


    ROTF has a lot of great non-movie characters
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)22:02 No.1865240
    >>1865233
    I'm now imagining old Camero Bee stalling because during transformation his carburetor is upside down.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)22:03 No.1865241
    So what's the deal with Megatron's tank mode? I mean it's not in ither movie at all.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)22:04 No.1865244
    >>1865241
    Lack of communication between the set and HAsbro
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)22:05 No.1865249
    people complaining about scale when they clearly had non in the original source material....the movie at least attempted to keep things on scale. in the respect its better then the old toon ever was.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)22:05 No.1865251
    >>1865241
    >I mean it's not in ither movie at all.
    Unless you count the second one.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)22:13 No.1865262
    >>1865251
    When was that?

    I seriously don't remember, before or after they go to Egypt
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)22:14 No.1865265
    >>1865249
    No, the whole point is that they cared as much about scale in the movies as they did in the cartoons.

    Mass shifting alive and well
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)22:15 No.1865266
    >>1865262
    After Prime and Bumblebee rescue Sam when Scalpel is about to cut him open, Megatron transforms into tank mode to peruse after them.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)22:16 No.1865270
    >>1865266
    >to peruse after them
    school tomorow?
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)22:17 No.1865271
    >>1865266
    Huh, don't remember it at all,I'll have to rewatch that scene. It was all a blurr, honestly.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)22:18 No.1865274
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    > no trolling.
    >second thread today about the movie in comparison to g1.
    >All on a /b/ raid day

    I'm not buying it
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)22:27 No.1865287
    >>1865274
    deal with it
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)22:55 No.1865352
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-aTbHsZJ9g

    wheeljack designed the bayformers
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)23:02 No.1865366
    Boy, always hating the Bay movie, you trolls are so stupid. Not everything is G1 you know. You're just a blinded imbecile who deosn't like the Bay movie because you.....

    Oh, you said you did like the Bay movie?

    Then you must be a troll trying to incite us becuase there's no possible way to defend the Bay movies other than to calll you an idiot for not liking them.

    So either way, if you like anything about Transformers, you must be an idiot
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)23:07 No.1865372
    >>1865366
    I am in no way defending the content or writing of the movies, only the physical designs,
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)23:14 No.1865379
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    >not everything is G1

    I like that argument, especially when it's applied to the success of other revamps.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)23:18 No.1865384
    >>1865183
    you forgot about the fat comic relief slob who lives with his momma
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)23:21 No.1865386
    >>1865379
    Man did that movie completely miss the mark
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)23:26 No.1865392
    >>1865379
    >A story that's more about people than the thing the movie is named after
    Check
    >Goofy design that's completely dependant on CGI
    Check
    >Horrible acting/writing
    Check
    >Half-assed love story
    Check

    Looking good, I don't remember if it had racism in it or not.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)23:29 No.1865398
    >>1865392
    Godzilla also made almost 400 million dollars, despite having horrible reviews
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)23:29 No.1865399
    >>1865392
    >Goofy design that's completely dependant on CGI
    How else would you do the transformers? You expect puppets and models to do all those things?
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)23:30 No.1865401
    >>1865398
    >400 Million
    >In 1998

    Fuck....
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)23:32 No.1865402
    >>1865399
    The could use puppetry at least when humans interact with them, so they're actually touching metal panels instead of bright blue foam boxes
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)23:33 No.1865405
    >>1865402
    They did, Megatron's hand (or maybe his legs) had a real prop, there's full size Bumblebee prop, some others too I believe.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)23:34 No.1865406
    >>1865392
    Spoilers: One of the twins' VAs is black.
    SUPER SPOILER: The voice actors came up with the twins' personality.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)23:35 No.1865409
    >>1865406
    You make it sound like the Director has no power over his actors
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)23:36 No.1865411
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    >>1865366
    OP here, I actually have Battle Blade Bumblebee.

    The movie was genuinely bad, because of the acting, linkin park OST, and story but it's not like I went in expecting a good movie. The Transformers themselves were mostly acceptable. Ok Jazz was terrible but I guess being THUG is cool these days, and that's fucking sad. As for Starscream, he's my favorite, and if he weren't for him being a jet and his name you wouldn't know it was him. Starscream's design is ugly and didn't help. With all the liberties Bay took he could have made him something that didnt look ass ugly in robot mode. I'm not even a Geewuner. I've only seen the G1 movie and actually grew up beast wars mostly...
    >> Symon Nanou !djWhqSXcFs 09/09/10(Thu)23:36 No.1865412
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    >>1865379
    Wrong picture.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)23:37 No.1865413
    >>1865409
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/24/transformers-jivetalking-_n_220005.html
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)23:38 No.1865414
    >>1865412
    God that was such a stupid show....
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)23:39 No.1865416
    >>1865412
    The Transformers Prime of it's day
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)23:39 No.1865417
    >>1865414
    best be trolling
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)23:40 No.1865420
    >>1865417
    I'm not, it was fucking stupid. Most cartoons based off movies were. MIB was the only thing passable.

    I bet you can't even give me a reason why it's good.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)23:41 No.1865421
    >>1865420
    it was cool
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)23:42 No.1865422
    >>1865183
    The twins are whiggers, your argument is invalid.
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)23:43 No.1865426
    >>1865421
    How so?
    >> Anonymous 09/09/10(Thu)23:48 No.1865438
    >>1865420
    Man now I'm hearing the intro to the MIB cartoon
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)00:34 No.1865513
    >>1865426
    >>1865420
    >>1865414
    >Fox's highest rated show of 1998
    >Praised as being more faithful to the Godzilla name than the movie could have ever hoped for
    >"It's fucking stupid"
    >My opinion > your opinion bullshit
    >Not trolling

    Ok.
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)00:41 No.1865528
    >>1865513
    Where exactly are you getting this data?
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)00:50 No.1865545
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    >>1865513
    They asked for a reason why the show was good.

    All you've insinuated is that popularity and faithfulness = IT MUST BE GOOD.

    Guess what else is popular and faithful (apparently he's a pretty big christian)?
    >> funzo !CrS4omBwXA 09/10/10(Fri)00:57 No.1865562
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    anyone so sure that movie SS had to be so wide needs to play the ROTF game. Seeker drones had awesome designs, the legs are still digitigrade but with their mass much more dispersed throughout the body
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)01:00 No.1865572
    >>1865545
    Might as well bring up hitler too that is also a tried a true tactic of an idiot with no point
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)01:01 No.1865574
    >>1865562
    >needs to play the ROTF game

    Wouldn't wish that on my enemies.
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)01:01 No.1865577
    >>1865572
    Well gee doesn't that make you the one who invoked Godwin's law?
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)01:02 No.1865579
    >>1865572
    It still doesn't answer my question

    >>1865528
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)01:02 No.1865580
    >>1865545
    >Guess what else is popular and faithful

    Robot Damashii?
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)01:08 No.1865595
    >>anyone so sure that movie SS had to be so wide needs to play the ROTF game.

    Why are you people STILL on about movie Starscream's design?

    I mean, you don't like it? Fine. Groovy. That's entirely your right to feel that way.

    But complaining about it, or yammering on about how it COULD have been like this or that or whatever?
    Stop it.

    Just fucking stop it.

    It's DONE. They picked the design years ago, and are clearly quite satisfied to stick with it. Your complaints at this point accomplish absolutely nothing other than exhibit why TF fans have some neurotic compulsion to endlessly complain about things they neither control nor have any real power to change, and thus would be better of either ignoring it completely or accepting it and moving on with their lives.
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)01:09 No.1865601
    >>1865595
    >Just fucking stop it.

    But then we wouldn't be TF fans now would we, smart guy?
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)01:11 No.1865607
    >>1865595
    bayfag dtected
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)01:32 No.1865640
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    For what it's worth, the first designs were rejected by the toy makers because they were far too "Hollywood alien" to make into workable toys.

    But to blame the artists themselves is wrong.
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)01:33 No.1865642
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    >>1865640
    And sure, you can blame Bay or whoever was lead artist for pushing in this direction too, but that's also a bit wrong.
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)01:34 No.1865644
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    >>1865642
    'cause there's one element who has to be blamed too, and it's one that's a bitter pill to swallow:

    Hasbro and Takara.
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)01:35 No.1865650
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    >>1865644
    Designing toys takes TIME, up to a year in advance we know. HasTak couldn't let them design concepts all live long day, and put their foot down.

    "We need finalized concept art to make toys of."
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)01:38 No.1865654
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    >>1865650
    And really.. I'm not 100% sure Hasbro was even that upset. Sure there might be one interview here or there that said they wanted to do Starscream "right" or "better", but at the end of the day, Hasbro has -and repeatedly at that- modified toys to be more obviously evil (Cybertron Scrapmetal, Energon Slugslinger).

    An entire line where the autobots are sleek cars and the bad guys are fanged razor blade monsters? I think they might have been kicking themselves for not thinking of it sooner.
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)01:42 No.1865657
    dorito+gorilla+wings = starscream
    >> CaptainFaraday !!ZunfaSQI6yL 09/10/10(Fri)01:47 No.1865665
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    It's Shapescream!
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)12:34 No.1866406
    wow, thank you for those illustrations. You can see the disaster forming like a hurricane!!
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)12:39 No.1866412
    >>1865654
    Whoa...is this really actual concept art from the movie? The artist clearly needs to learn foreshortening and perspective better, it looks weirdly flat and the angles are all over the place. Look at Starscream's left leg in the back shot, or his right wing in that same shot. There's no sense of depth, and he appears to warping space and time around him.
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)13:07 No.1866475
    >>1865241
    >So what's the deal with Megatron's tank mode? I mean it's not in ither movie at all.
    First movie megs didn't have a tank mode at all. Thus why it wasn't in the movie, hohoho.
    RotF Megs' thank mode *was* in the movie, just not much. It appears for about one second, through smoke, as he escapes the bombing and tank attacks in the desert battle, essentially to gain speed and take off as a jet. But the the RotF jet mode is the tank with wings on the sides...
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)13:08 No.1866482
    >>1865422
    >whiggers invalidate racism, arguement invalid

    That's not even close to being true. What this idea says is that it's not ok to make fun of someone's race, but it is ok to make fun of someone who is making fun of someones' race. So I can't make jokes about Chinese people without being a racist, but if I laugh at you for making jokes about Chinese people then we're both doing ok. The idea is the Twins are supposed to be white kids acting black, so making fun of white people is ok, because it's not racist to make fun of someone's race as long as their race is Caucasian.
    So, racism =bad, unless you're being racist against whites, then it's fine.
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)13:09 No.1866483
    >>1866412
    That's because you don't want geometric accuracy in concept art, you want inpsiration, ideas and references. then at the production phase you make coherent blueprints.
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)13:15 No.1866498
    >>1865640
    I really like the look of that one actually. Any more like it? is there a gallery of early ideas somewhere?
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)13:16 No.1866502
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    >>1866483
    http://www.fengzhudesign.com/

    Out of all the concept artists, Feng Zhu is the most "wat" in terms of design.
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)15:07 No.1866709
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    THIS.

    I guarantee 9/10 people bitching in this thread know absolutely nothing about the actual process in which these characters were designed, and how carefully their transformations were planned.

    Starscream stays roughly the same size in both modes. Watch him transform during he final battle from the first film, when he's flying around picking off the Military's F-22s. He just shifts himself around, and the broad, flat wings of the jet compact into themselves while the core of the jet remains basically the same size as it forms his torso.

    The Autobots curl up into themselves to fit into their disguises; just look at Bumblebee's transformation from the first film after he saves Sam and Mikaela from Barricade. He bends over, and essentially just curls up into a turd. I like to compare it to those crazy contortionists who can fit themselves into boxes a fraction their size. Just because they take up less physical space doesn't mean their mass isn't still there.

    >>1865209
    Is a great example, and actually helps prove my point. Starscream is a little taller and at least twice as wide as Prime. Judging from comparison shots of Starscream next to real F-22s from the first movie and scale charts used during pre-production, you can tell that he's slightly smaller than the jets in robot mode. Prime shrinks to about half his robot-mode size when he transforms, as seen during the highway fight against Bonecrusher and when he exits the cargo plane and transforms in front of Epps in ROTF. That would put their alt. modes pretty darn close to scale.

    These movies did more to retain a sense of scale than any other franchise has. Sure they're not perfect, but to argue that the scale issues are anywhere NEAR as bad as G1 is just retarded.
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)15:11 No.1866716
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    >>1866709
    >implying the movie transformations made any sense

    what's it like being 12 on 4chan?
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)15:18 No.1866728
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    >I haven't watched the transformation scenes frame-by-frame.
    Yeah, it's kinda obvious. The CGI does not fully transform, they use blurring and model swapping to achieve it. From a toy design and marketing standpoint it was an asinine thing to do.
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)15:25 No.1866740
    >>1866716
    >I couldn't think of anything substantial to argue your point with, so I'll just greentext with a reaction image and say you're 12
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)15:33 No.1866749
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    >>1866412
    >and he appears to warping space and time around him.
    Alternity Bayscream?

    Also, this pic might be kinda helpful for the whole scale debate.
    >> andysocial 09/10/10(Fri)15:36 No.1866753
    >>1866716
    I'm sure it's better than being 4 on 12 chan.
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)15:36 No.1866754
    >>1866716
    >I'm 8 years old and don't know >>1866709's intelligence fits a much higher age group
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)15:36 No.1866755
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    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)15:38 No.1866762
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    >>1866754
    >>1866753
    >>1866740
    lol you were seriously convinced they were transforming into their alt modes in the movie? sore 12 year old confirmed
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)15:53 No.1866782
    >>The CGI does not fully transform, they use blurring and model swapping to achieve it. From a toy design and marketing standpoint it was an asinine thing to do.

    From an animation and movie-making perspective, however, it's a perfectly sensible thing to do.

    The point is not perfectly replicate an action as if it were really happening, merely to give the illusion of it happening.

    For example, if you have a 3D character you want to animate picking up, holding, and then throwing a ball, you DON'T use just one model of the character and one model of the ball. You have a model of the character not holding the ball, you have a model of the character holding the ball, you have model of the ball alone, and possibly even yet another model of the ball that you have set in a different part of the scene for when it gets thrown.

    It is actually a lot more troublesome to try to get just one or two models to do everything that you might want or need it to do than it is to have bunch of models all set up for specific things you need.

    So of course they don't have the models for the robots completely transform from start to finish. There is no logical reason why they would, especially when the models are as complex as they are.
    >> Integra 09/10/10(Fri)15:58 No.1866796
    >>1866782
    this guy sounds like he knows what hes doing
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)16:04 No.1866803
    >>1866716
    the "shells"' transformations don't quite make sense but the skeletons were indeed designed so they could roughly fit inside the matching vehicles. Consistency on what goes where depends on the robot (for example Optimus and Blackout are consistent, while Bumblebee displays two different transformation schemes for his arms in his first two scenes).

    >>1866728
    >From a toy design and marketing standpoint it was an asinine thing to do.
    It's actually worked like that for years for Transformers. A few are drawn with a transformation in mind from the get-go but many others have a robot and vehicle designed separately by character designers and then technical designers figure out working transformation schemes that can do both forms with a minimum of compromise. Galaxy Convoy (ie Optimus from TF Cybertron) was done that way. At other times it can ping-pong a bit like Animated Prowl who was redesigned as that crazy Takara squid-hallucinating australian found a new bike transformation scheme.
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)16:39 No.1866870
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    >>1866762
    >derp
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)17:15 No.1866922
    >>1865644
    Holy shit I only just realized that one's a car. Funny he ended up as a plane
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)17:47 No.1866978
    >>1866709
    >comments on scale

    Ok, I'm glad the movies treat scale well for people who are tight over scale issues, but really? Really the movies gain quality points because they show things in scale whereas G1 didn't?
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)19:08 No.1867118
    If the allspark can mass shift in the movie then why cant a robot ?
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)19:17 No.1867145
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    >>1866870
    >implying I care about G1 and don't just think you're a dipshit for white knighting the flawed design of the movies
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)19:19 No.1867151
    >>1867118
    For that matter, if giant sentient robots from outer space can TELEPORT, why is mass-shifting somehow unreasonable.
    "Hey, Prime, did you get bigger when you transformed?"
    "Sure did, Bumblebee. I teleported in some extra mass."
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)20:07 No.1867267
    It seems clear to me that they decided to reuse many of Feng zhu's concepts when creating the primes and the fallen. Those are base transformer weird shapes. In fact, i think some of them are exact to this concepts!

    Great imagination and drawings, but they SUCK for transformers!!!!
    >> Rick O'Connel 09/10/10(Fri)21:38 No.1867390
    To answer his actual question. The voyager blackout/grindor is decent. he is small and is not without his faults but if your a big fan of te character like I am. He works...

    My dream: Leader Blackout

    capta: court martial, suspended
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)21:39 No.1867393
    >>1867267
    >It seems clear to me that they decided to reuse many of Bionicle's concepts when creating the primes and the fallen.

    fix'd.
    >> Anonymous 09/10/10(Fri)21:53 No.1867421
    >>1867151
    Man you're a derp and a half.
    >> Anonymous 09/11/10(Sat)02:13 No.1867943
    >>1867118
    'cause the allspark is just full of powers the robots don't have. It's a fucking turbocharged 2001 monolith, only as a cube. The whole *reason* they're all running after the allspark is it can do all kinds of special shit.
    >> Anonymous 09/11/10(Sat)02:20 No.1867960
    >> If the allspark can mass shift in the movie then why cant a robot ?

    If the Allspark can bring machines to life in the movie, then why can't a robot?

    If the Allspark can create an entire planet, then why can't a robot?

    >>For that matter, if giant sentient robots from outer space can TELEPORT, why is mass-shifting somehow unreasonable.

    Superman can fly, is super-strong, bullet-proof, shoots lasers from his eyes, and can freeze things with his breath. WHY CAN'T HE GROW HIMSELF TO BE FIFTY FEET TALL?!
    >> Anonymous 09/11/10(Sat)03:03 No.1867987
    ITT: Mature adults try to reason with a closed-minded 8-year-old

    Guys, he wants to believe Bayformers are shit and actually thinks his illogical reasoning is worth merit. I know it's pathetic, but you don't have to give him an argument. It's like trying to put paper condoms on a penis made of cactus.
    >> Anonymous 09/11/10(Sat)03:06 No.1867989
    >>1867987
    transformer is for child
    >> Anonymous 09/11/10(Sat)05:35 No.1868093
    >>1866728
    According to interviews with the modellers and animators, everything is there, and the transformations are done with all the parts. The thing is, they have the ability to link to objects and change rotation points as they go with the animating, and so there are no real true transformations.

    Also, the animators admit they clip like crazy where it can't be seen, so the parts don't actually fit inside properly.



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