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    16 KB Wisconsin inmate loses Dungeons and Dragons fight Otacon !gdX26JxKVw 01/26/10(Tue)08:33 No.7779084  
    http://www.wkowtv.com/global/story.asp?s=11876814

    MADISON, Wis. (AP) - A man serving life in prison for first-degree intentional homicide has lost his legal battle to play Dungeons and Dragons behind bars.

    Kevin T. Singer filed a lawsuit against officials at Wisconsin's Waupun prison after a policy was initiated in 2004 to eradicate all Dungeons and Dragons game materials among concerns that playing it promotes gang-related activity.

    The 33-year-old Singer is a devoted player of the fantasy role-playing game that involves recruiting others to play as a group. He argued that his First Amendment rights were being violated and demanded that Dungeons and Dragons material confiscated from his cell be returned.

    But the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled Monday that the prison's policy was reasonable.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)08:36 No.7779100
    that poor murderer :(
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)08:36 No.7779104
    what
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)08:36 No.7779111
    NANOMACHINES!

    Also, that's horse shit, DnD promoting gang related activity? That's like saying it promotes Satanism, which it fucking doesn't.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)08:36 No.7779112
    we already have a thread for this. you didn't need to make another one.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)08:37 No.7779114
    Guess he better work on some homebrew!
    >> Otacon !gdX26JxKVw 01/26/10(Tue)08:38 No.7779117
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    >>7779112

    Read it again, pussy.
    >> Leman Russ 01/26/10(Tue)08:39 No.7779131
    I can see if they banned it on some other premise.

    But because it promotes gang activity is one of the most ridiculous reasons I've ever heard.

    Sage for second thread.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)08:39 No.7779133
    I wish people would actually fucking process that prison should rehabilitate prisoners, not punish them. Crimes aren't committed with the punishment kept in mind, and turning them into revenge machines is totally fucking pointless, not to mention very likely to turn a casual criminal into a repeat offender.

    In before FUCK OFF, BLEEDING HEART LIBERAL.

    Also, I'd prefer criminals to be doing something that actually involves thought and socializing rather than lifting weights or stabbing each other for cigarettes.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)08:39 No.7779134
    >>7779114

    Damn straight.

    REAL nerds can play their Pen and Paper roleplaying games with random chance based on succeeding a certain number of coin flips in a row and stats for monsters they scrawled in the margins of a sports magazine.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)08:42 No.7779150
    >>7779134

    It's much more fun if the guidelines are written by someone else. Otherwise it just feels pointless.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)08:42 No.7779155
    > man serving life in prison for first-degree intentional homicide

    What the fuck did he do, stab one of his players for min maxing or metagaming?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)08:43 No.7779156
    >>7779133
    >Also, I'd prefer criminals to be doing something that actually involves thought and socializing rather than lifting weights or stabbing each other for cigarettes.

    I've always thought that prisoner-tended hydroponics would be a good way to get some use out of the prison population. The catch? While excess food gets shipped elsewhere, only 2 meals a week are otherwise provided to each prisoner. They have to grow the rest themselves. If they can't learn to work together productively, they go hungry.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)08:44 No.7779164
    >>7779156

    that's just going to conjure a huge amount of resentment within the prisoner and not accomplish anything
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)08:45 No.7779167
    >>7779156
    That encourages teamwork and cooperation, which obviously we don't want in prisoner populations.

    Also, a successful group would get beaten up and have their food stolen or hydroponics trashed.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)08:47 No.7779177
    >>7779117

    ok
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)08:48 No.7779187
    YES. This is amazing. You have to fight for your right to DnD whilst in jail.

    I love this man. He doesn't let NOTHING get in the way of his gaming. Not even the god damned prison system. You take away his character sheets, and he goes to the fuckin' court of appeals to get them back. I may have a new hero.

    Also DnD game triggers prison gang violence? I loooooolled.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)08:49 No.7779192
    I never understood why we insist on prisoner's rights...If you kill someone in cold blood, you're out of society. We don't need you, into the hole of death you go.

    Instead, we give you a room and food and tv and work-out equipment...
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)08:50 No.7779200
    >>7779156

    that will only end in turf-wars and violence, bro.

    they already compete for resources like cigarettes and decent food.

    the prison cafeterias intentionally serve bland, uninteresting meals, so inmates are encouraged to work part-time at certain businesses. this way, they learn a trade, and can spend their meagre salary to buy cigarettes and ingredients to prepare their own meals.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)08:51 No.7779207
    >>7779156
    Problem: starving prisoners is illegal.
    >> Commissar Internet !!49Ay+6zEbfG 01/26/10(Tue)08:52 No.7779213
    >>7779084
    >>promotes gang-related activity

    ...
    Nigga wut?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)08:52 No.7779217
    >>7779207
    Well sort of. You can give them chili with rocks in it no problem.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)08:53 No.7779218
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    Ohohoho, Amerika, you so silly! Being so wealthy you can afford to feed a good percentage of your healthy, capable population into a meat grinder just because you can. What will those wacky Americans think of next, banning abortion? Not that their teenagers would notice pregnancy 'til it was too late even for that, thanks to all ze lard~ ohoho~
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)08:54 No.7779222
    >>7779207

    if we gave them the hydroponics already set up and with the first crop in, and they couldnt get their act together... wouldn't they be starving themselves?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)08:55 No.7779226
    >>7779192

    i hope you accidentally hit a child running astray into the road and get sent to prison. i'm sure you'd enjoy the luxuries of horrible television, physical exercise, and... a room?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)08:55 No.7779227
    This thread seems to be full of an awful lot of people who think prisoners are subhuman. Which is kind of ironic, given that the people think that probably consider themselves to be nicer people than the prisoners too....

    I'd LOVE to DnD inside a prison. Think about it! They must have the most badass campaign EVER! What would their characters be like? They'd just shank and stomp each other all day. It would be breathtaking. Imagine:
    "Oh, who's coming up with the ideas for your campaign?"
    "A bunch of felons in prison"
    ".... oh damn!!"
    >> Malkav 01/26/10(Tue)08:56 No.7779233
    >>7779192
    You know, the victims of war consider the death of their family members to be in cold blood. should we lock up our veterans?
    >> Commissar Internet !!49Ay+6zEbfG 01/26/10(Tue)08:56 No.7779234
    >>7779155
    "Hey, I rolled a Frenzied Berserker"
    *BLAM!*
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)08:56 No.7779235
    >>7779084
    Nigga, you cheating on your rolls! I'mma shank yo monkey ass! *shivshivshivshivshiv*
    >> Otacon !gdX26JxKVw 01/26/10(Tue)08:56 No.7779238
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    >>7779222

    It's a stupid idea. Please stop.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:04 No.7779284
    >>7779155
    If he did then he's an example to GMs everywhere.

    Metagaming will not stand.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:05 No.7779293
    >>7779233
    Killing to the sound of trumpets is different.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:09 No.7779325
    >>7779155
    Killed his sister's boyfriend with a sledgehammer.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:13 No.7779344
    >>7779233
    Ohohoho! What novel idea, ja! Very American, I can see you doing it! Ohoho~
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:17 No.7779373
    >>7779226
    You wouldn't be sent to jail if it was an accident. Durr.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:17 No.7779375
    It's easy enough to play D&D from memory. The monsters and spells might be a little different, sure. But you could still play. Emulating dice would be harder, but not impossible, as long as you had a coin.
    >> /d/eviating Ca/tg/irl 01/26/10(Tue)09:19 No.7779391
    >>7779325

    Sounds like a min-maxer to me.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:20 No.7779394
    >>7779373
    Yes you would, manslaughter/reckless endangerment.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:20 No.7779398
    >promotes gang-related activity

    Yep. It uses dice. Which are banned in most prisons because they're used for gambling which is a gang related activity. It's a stretch of logic, but it's a legitimate thing to do.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:21 No.7779399
    >>7779373

    > he thinks jail and prison are the same thing

    stop
    >> /d/eviating Ca/tg/irl 01/26/10(Tue)09:21 No.7779400
    >>7779373

    Oh, it's so cute how you think that.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:22 No.7779408
    >>7779399
    What. Since when are jail and prison different? It's a fucking synonym.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:22 No.7779413
    >>7779398

    then the solution is to play Amber
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:23 No.7779418
    >>7779408

    jesus christ fucking stop you idiot
    >> That Motherfucking Goblin !XGZ8nDwSYI 01/26/10(Tue)09:23 No.7779420
    >>7779408

    Jails are the holding cells in stations.

    Prisons are the places with high fences and guards and shankings.
    >> /co//v/ert fa/tg/uy 01/26/10(Tue)09:23 No.7779421
    >>7779398
    What about flipping twenty coins?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:23 No.7779422
    >>7779418
    Just explain. Please. Maybe we aren't speaking the same kind of English here.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:24 No.7779426
    >>7779408

    Jail
    >Less than 2 years of sentences.
    >Less NIGGA I STAB YOU AND CONVERT TO TERRORIST ISLAM

    Prison
    >Lifers
    >People who DON'T CARE ABOUT GETTING OUT.
    >You'll get raped and/or die before you get out, guaranteed.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:25 No.7779430
    >>7779426

    Pretty much this. Jail is small stuff. Prison is where they keep the big guys.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:25 No.7779431
    >>7779408
    Jail is for before the trial, prison is for after you've been sent
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:25 No.7779434
    >>7779422

    > Primarily, the difference is that a jail is used by local jurisdictions such as counties and cities to confine people for short periods of time. A prison, or penitentiary, is administered by the state, and is used to house convicted criminals for periods of much longer duration.

    you must be living at home with your parents completely oblivious to the outside world
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:25 No.7779436
    >>7779134
    I do that
    >> Colonel_Beefheart. 01/26/10(Tue)09:25 No.7779437
    Wouldn't you think giving inmates a healthy outlet like D&D be productive? I would :\
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:26 No.7779438
    >>7779422
    I think American English makes a stronger division between the terms "jail" and "prison" than British English so if you're not trolling you may actually have a point.
    >> /d/eviating Ca/tg/irl 01/26/10(Tue)09:26 No.7779441
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    >>7779398

    >legitimate thing to do.

    GET OUT, YOU DO NOT BELONG.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:26 No.7779442
    Jails usually hold people awaiting trial or transfer to prison. Prisons are the long term holding facilities.

    Assault is still very common both in jail and in holding; you don't need to make it all the way to prison to get shanked.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:27 No.7779447
    >>7779438

    No, there are plenty of retards in America who think jail and prison are the same thing, too.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:28 No.7779451
    >>7779437
    If you could dodge the religious right and then downplay the violence of the game and run it in a controlled way then it probably could be a feasible outlet for people.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:28 No.7779457
    Concurrence; I'm British and I've never been aware of any real distinction between usage of "jail" and "prison".
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:28 No.7779458
    >>7779226

    Oh nooooooo 4chan curse. Look, keep your butthurt "prison is awful i've seen OZ!" attacks out of this.

    I'm just saying that if you go so far as to commit pre-meditated murder, you can't then go "Hey guys! I have rights too!"
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:29 No.7779463
    >>7779438
    In America the terms are more clearly defined thanks to the existence of county jails and state prisons. In other countries the term is still somewhat interchangeable.
    >> That Motherfucking Goblin !XGZ8nDwSYI 01/26/10(Tue)09:30 No.7779465
    >>7779458

    Prisoners DO have rights, though.

    You might not like it, but until you go and change it yourself, that's how it is.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:32 No.7779476
    >>7779458

    I work at a prison. I've never seen "OZ" in my life.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:32 No.7779477
    >>7779438
    >>7779457
    >>7779463
    As an example, I have today's copy of the Guardian and on the front page it mentions a judge sentencing someone to jail. We have no distinction between the terms in British English.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:33 No.7779485
    "The Authoritarians": http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:34 No.7779488
    >>7779465
    Legally, they have rights. Effectively, they have no rights, because enforcement of said rights is so low on the priority scale as to be nonexistent. Seriously, a prisoner complaining about the violation of his rights is just him rattling the cage; it's utterly meaningless.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:37 No.7779509
    >>7779488

    sad innit
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:38 No.7779511
    >The 33-year-old Singer is a devoted player of the fantasy role-playing game that involves recruiting others to play as a group

    You know, I think this might be the "gang related" activity, rather than the use of dice that some some other guy mentioned.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:39 No.7779518
    >>7779488
    >>7779509
    Ohohoho, ja! I'd cry, if it weren't in Amerika! But since it is, I prefer to laugh, as they have the money and the manpower to achieve a civilized existence but choose not to! Zis so silly! Ohoho~
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:45 No.7779552
    >>7779133
    To be able to get the most out of your body requires a great deal of thought.

    FUCK YOU.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)09:57 No.7779627
    Lol. Imagine how hard it would be to get a group together in prison.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)10:00 No.7779652
    yo dawg, don't mess with that guy, he's got like, a plus 2 flaming broadsword. that's some serious shit dawg.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)10:01 No.7779656
    Shit remember last year when we found that "write to a prisoner" website and we talked about inviting them to some PBP D&D?

    Good times.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)10:05 No.7779696
    >promotes gang-related activity.
    you are now imagining the cast of The Wire playing D&D.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)10:09 No.7779722
    >>7779398
    Well, the clear answer here is that he needs to get into one of those faggy free-form RPGs with no dice or rules.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)10:14 No.7779767
    >>7779722
    They already have that in prison.

    It's called "lie down and be the girl."
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)10:27 No.7779871
    >promotes gang-related activity.

    Huuuuurrrr
    >> Bardic Knowledge !CxlrZcljkw 01/26/10(Tue)10:28 No.7779875
    >>7779722
    >>7779767
    Keep on truckin', /tg/.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)10:29 No.7779881
    >>7779696
    I'd actually watch it if that were the case.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)10:46 No.7779974
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    Prison ain't so bad. You can make sangria in a turlet.

    'Course it's shank or be shanked.
    >> Konrad Von Chocula 01/26/10(Tue)10:59 No.7780068
    Well I hope the man gets his DnD back. No one should have to spend their life in totall boredom even if they are fucking murderers.
    >> Commissar Internet !!49Ay+6zEbfG 01/26/10(Tue)11:14 No.7780186
    >>7780068
    This is true. Boredom is eventually going to turn into resentment and anger, which could turn into violence. Of course, this is what the powers that be(aka. scum) want.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)11:17 No.7780209
    just wow.
    >> Commissar Internet !!49Ay+6zEbfG 01/26/10(Tue)11:20 No.7780241
    >>7780209
    I believe you've gotten lost.

    <<
    /v/ is that way.
    >> Konrad Von Chocula 01/26/10(Tue)11:21 No.7780244
    >>7780186

    He might also just start doing violent shit for kicks.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)11:25 No.7780288
    What is your opinion on the rights of prisoners?

    Personally, I think they're in need of help, unless they're clearly psychopaths (which are beyond any sort of treatment).
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)11:49 No.7780477
    >>7780288

    Prison should be for rehabilitation. Give them training so they can get a job outside of prison, as well as help on dealing with people outside. The current system only breeds more crime as minor criminals are forced to associate with the serious career criminals. And treating them like scum only encourages them to see themselves as separate from society and thus, not bound by society's rules.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)11:50 No.7780487
    >>7780288
    Punishment so severe that criminals never dare to offend again.... that's the best way to go about it.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:04 No.7780599
    >>7780288
    2 types. Well funded and well run rehabilitaion for first time and minor offenders with no fixed sentences. Death camps for repeat offenders.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:06 No.7780613
    >>7780288
    Most people in prison are only there because they're poor.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:09 No.7780642
    >American prison = NO FUN AND ENJOY YOUR FACIST REGIME

    I wonder why Americans are so aggressive and prone to violence...
    >> LIBERTY American Republican Ted 01/26/10(Tue)12:10 No.7780662
    >>7780642
    BECAUSE IT'S OUR CULTURE. FUCK YEAR AMERICA.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:15 No.7780711
    >>7780642
    Enough of your general political views.

    We're here to answer a very specific one: Prisoner rights.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:19 No.7780763
    >Ultra-harsh punishments
    Enjoy your skyhigh recidivism rates.
    Also most of the American prisoners, which accounts for 25% of the world's prison population, are non-violent drug crimes.
    And they only give insane prison sentences because of the privately owned prison industry and the guardsmen unions.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:23 No.7780790
    I wonder how those prisoners would like a game of Dark Heresy.

    EVERYONE IS A PENAL LEGION GUARDSMAN

    EVERYBODY HAS AN EXPLODING COLLAR

    FINAL DESTINATION
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:26 No.7780826
    >>7780790
    Fuck playing DH. Actually do that.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:27 No.7780840
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    >>7780790
    Warden runs a game of Dark Heresy, acts like a Commissar and has Penal Legion Guardsmen to command. Details at 11.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:28 No.7780845
    >>7780790
    >>7780826
    So I herd you liek Battle Royale?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:29 No.7780848
    Is it weird that I'd LOVE to see a game with prisoners as the players and a guard as the GM.

    WACKY SHENANIGANS ENSUE.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:30 No.7780856
    >>7780790
    The last surviving prisoner is then immediately hired as a prison guard.
    >> Detective Ted 01/26/10(Tue)12:30 No.7780857
    I bet he was playing 4e and the Warden was a 3.5 fag.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:30 No.7780860
    >>7780848
    ROCKS FALL, EVERYBODY GETS SOLITARY CONFINEMENT
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:30 No.7780863
    >>7780845
    Not a battle royal style game. Just send them to middle east land.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:31 No.7780872
    >>7779100
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:32 No.7780877
    >>7780857
    Edition Wars? In my Prison System?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:32 No.7780882
    >>7780863
    But then they might join the terrorists.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:33 No.7780886
    >>7780882
    But that's why they have the exploding collars!
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:34 No.7780895
    >>7780877
    It's more likely than you th*SHIVSHIVSHIVSHIV*
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:35 No.7780907
    Four things make sense with criminals:

    1- Rehabilitation
    2- Forced labor
    3- Death
    4- Exile (and this is probably just a more expensive way to get rid of them than the third)

    The current systems are mostly a useless revenge under the pretense of rehabilitation and "keeping them off the streets".

    That doesn't go for the USA only by the way.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:36 No.7780913
    >>7780886
    Why not implant something bigger? Then if they turn traitor you can wait a few days and blow up the terrorists with them.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:37 No.7780926
    >>7780877
    >playing it promotes gang-related activity
    Well, now we know the factions, at least.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:38 No.7780934
    >>7780913
    "You have a bomb in you, don't you?"
    "No."
    "Well, what's that giant rocket shaped thing stuck in your head?"
    "Uh.... I wear it.... as a way to practice my religion."
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:38 No.7780935
    >>7779155
    "look Matt, if you bring up that voraephilic babyfur homebrew character again I'm gonna FUCKING MURDER YOU!"

    "come on Singgy, you now she's like totally über-moe"

    "FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
    ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff"
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:38 No.7780939
    The answer is simple. The Wardens must have a life-size game of Warhammer 40k.

    IN THE GRIMDARKNESS OF THE PRESENT THERE IS ONLY PRISONHAMMER.
    >> AtomikKrab 01/26/10(Tue)12:38 No.7780942
    >>7779434
    in general if you are in for less than a year they put you in jail, jail is for misdemeanors,drunks, and holding people before trial on minor offenses, trust me, if you are up for murder you go directly to prison not to jail for holding
    >> Konrad Von Chocula 01/26/10(Tue)12:39 No.7780943
    Swedish prisons are sweet.

    All our convicts chill and watch some telly.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:39 No.7780944
    >>7780882
    Impossible. The terrorists will just kill them for not being devout muslims.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:39 No.7780950
    >>7780939
    FUCK YES I WOULD PLAY IT.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:39 No.7780951
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    Awwwwwwww shit
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:39 No.7780954
    >>7780907
    >useless revenge
    You forgot #5: deterring potential criminals.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:40 No.7780958
    >>7780943
    everyone in Sweden chills, always.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:40 No.7780964
    >>7780944
    Okay, so that means that all devout Muslim criminals get to stay alive.

    Lucky that's a small part of the prison population.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:41 No.7780972
    >>7780958
    That's because it's so fucking cold.
    >> Konrad Von Chocula 01/26/10(Tue)12:42 No.7780988
    >>7780958

    Hell yeah. I'm chilling as we speak.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:42 No.7780989
    >>7780939
    Prisonhammer would suck. All you can play is Imperial Guard, and you can only field Penal Legions.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:43 No.7780992
    >>7780954
    deterring potential criminals is moot, if you're scared of going to prison enough to don't commit any crime you weren't going to commit them anyway.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:44 No.7781005
    >>7780989
    1) Paint the stupid but strong prisoners green.
    2) Give them Orky style weapons.
    3) ORKZ FOR PRISONHAMMER.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:44 No.7781007
    >>7780989
    Use the bigger guys for orks. They could make their own weapons and everything.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:45 No.7781015
    >>7780992
    This. Many criminals either have no fear of incarceration or just view it as an occupational hazard.

    Prisons would have to be like nightmares made flesh to put off most criminals.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:45 No.7781016
    >>7781005
    >>7781007
    big negro ork mind
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:45 No.7781023
    It is clear what we must do.

    We must somehow get a Diceless RPG system to Kevin T. Singer so he can continue playing!
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:47 No.7781038
    >>7781007
    But they'd be like Feral Orks. All dey know iz Slashy, not Shooty.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:47 No.7781040
    >>7781015
    How scary would a prison have to be to scare a psychopath into not offending?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:48 No.7781044
    >>7781015
    1. Build a wall around Silent Hill
    2. Shove prisoners in, close door quickly
    3. Keep tossing them back in until they're reformed
    4. ???
    5. RAPE WITH GREAT KNIFE
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:48 No.7781045
    >>7779084
    You know what I've always wondered? Are you allowed Lego in prisons?

    Because if I had Lego, I'd be alright.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:48 No.7781049
    >>7781015
    it's viewed as "remedial courses": if you end up in prison you suck at crimin', but worry not, cause in here there's a lot of you guys, and thogether you can hone each other skills untill you become unstoppable
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:48 No.7781054
    >>7781040
    Make it into Prisonhammer.

    Inmates who stay are Orks. Inmates who are leaving are Penal Legions.

    If you survive the Penal Legions, you can either leave and hopefully never come back or you can join the Orks.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:49 No.7781059
    >He argued that his First Amendment rights were being violated
    Okay.
    >serving life in prison for first-degree intentional homicide
    Fuck him. He forfeited his rights when he decided to kill another man.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:49 No.7781061
    >>7781007
    >>7781005
    DIGGAZ!
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:51 No.7781073
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    >>7781045
    So you can build a lego prison?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:51 No.7781076
    >>7781040
    like a medieval sanatorium: no clothes, no furniture, barely any food or water, always chillin. oh, and permanent. throw in anything too insane to reform, but never increase food supply.

    they're not human any more, why respect their "human rigths"?
    >> Konrad Von Chocula 01/26/10(Tue)12:51 No.7781080
    Hmm to bad there is not a new Australia. Otherwise everyone could just throw their convicts on a continent and let them sort their own shit out. It worked for Australia.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:52 No.7781085
    >>7781059
    that's what the court said.

    then again, war veterans get all the rights and state-provided benefits so yeah.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:52 No.7781086
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    >>7781054
    >implying that a Penal Legion would ever leave the Imperial Guard
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:53 No.7781091
    >>7781080

    Let's send them to Mars.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:53 No.7781094
    >>7781040
    Nothing would stop a psychopath from offending. It's moot if there's anything to stop a psychopath from being a psychopath.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:54 No.7781101
    >>7781080
    Most of australia's population is made of migrants, rather than the convicts. "Let's go get rich" and "oh crap we need people to build shit"
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:55 No.7781104
    >>7779133
    fuck off liberal, any jail sentence of 5 or more years should just be relelgated to the death sentence

    chinia and texas has the right idea!

    kill them before they hurt more people!!!

    burn them all!!
    >> Konrad Von Chocula 01/26/10(Tue)12:55 No.7781106
    >>7781091

    It might look bad in the media when the convicts starts to eat eachother due to lack of natural food on Mars.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:55 No.7781110
    >>7781091
    I'd hope when we colonize another planet we make it into a good place to live instead of a dumpster/mine/prison hybrid.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:56 No.7781111
    >>7781101
    incorrect, they are mostly penal colony descendants
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:56 No.7781113
    >>7781080
    Why not send them to Australia anyway?

    Just stick 'em in the outback, away from civilization. Same result!
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:56 No.7781118
    >>7781091
    there's at least one novel about that.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:58 No.7781130
    >>7781118
    I seem to remember either a short story or a comic in which criminals were sent to Mars, but when they stepped out of the unmanned rocket that took them there they died because Mars doesn't have an atmosphere.

    Lol.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:58 No.7781133
    >>7780954
    IIRC, statistics have shown that tougher sentencing for criminals doesn't lower crimerates.

    the reason for this is, clever criminals plan not to get caught, and stupid criminals don't think about the consequences.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:59 No.7781136
    >>7781104
    I love those old vids with Texas republicans going "IT'S NOT 150 IT'S AT WORST 30 INNOCENTS KILLED A YEAR".
    Seriously freaky shit.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)12:59 No.7781137
    I suddenly have the urge to watch a movie about prisoners getting introduced to DnD, loving it and as the prison gets more peaceful because of it the prison's director gets more and more paranoid and bans the game.

    Hell ensues.
    >> Konrad Von Chocula 01/26/10(Tue)13:01 No.7781146
    >>7781137

    Needs Tom Hanks in it.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:01 No.7781149
    The Greenmile with DnD.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:02 No.7781152
    So. You kill a man. You spend the rest of your life sitting around playing D&D while the state feeds and shelters you. As a bonus, you're probably going to get laid more than most D&D nerds.

    If break into someone's house and rape them can I play World of Warcraft for the rest of my life? I'll certainly be able to get a lot more grinding done if I don't have to worry about rent or where my next meal is coming from.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:06 No.7781175
    >>7781152
    Enjoy never going anywhere and getting shanked and raped.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:07 No.7781184
    You people underestimate the horror of everyday being the same.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:07 No.7781186
    >>7781137
    And then the prisoners stage a revolt...
    Which gets put down with undue force, and the last shot of the movie is of a news broadcast about the debacle and how the game obviously causes violence.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:07 No.7781188
    >>7779164
    no wai.

    bet warden's an AD&D 2.0 player.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:08 No.7781189
    >>7781184
    You don't undestand the geek life at all.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:08 No.7781192
    >>7781175
    They could make new prisons.

    For nerds.

    Where no one has any interest in shanking and conflicts would be solved via /duel in World of Warcraft.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:09 No.7781195
    >>7779207
    SOLUTION: ultra-bland gruel.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:09 No.7781202
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    >>7781188
    And he wanted to run Tomb of Horrors.

    Also...
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:10 No.7781207
    >>7781184
    you have never worked a dead-end job.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:10 No.7781209
    >>7781192
    Motherfucker you better step off


    Uh uh motherfucker you step the fuck off


    Okay bitch let's go, motherfucking Yu-Gi-Oh, ten minutes to build yo' deck, then let's fuckin' settle this.
    >> Konrad Von Chocula 01/26/10(Tue)13:10 No.7781211
    >>7781184

    For the rest of your life if you play your cards right.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:11 No.7781216
    >>7781207
    A job doesn't take place in a little cube 24 hours a day.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:11 No.7781218
    >>7781184
    Prison life is generally varied. Like some days you get raped and some days you're doing the raping.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:12 No.7781221
    >>7781209
    I challenge you to a children's cardgame!
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:12 No.7781225
    >>7781216
    Even people in the supermax prisons get let out of their cell for a little while.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:13 No.7781230
    >>7781216
    Blow jobs do.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:13 No.7781232
    wardens concern is reasonable. take irresponsible /violent people, give them a social bonding exercise. result = gang
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:14 No.7781244
    >>7781221
    BRING IT MU' FUCKA
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:14 No.7781245
    >>7781209
    Man, nerd prison is awesome.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:15 No.7781250
    >>7781195
    It's so bland you start tasting the inside of your mouth just to get some flavour.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:15 No.7781254
    >>7781245
    Fuck year.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:16 No.7781259
    I blame WotC, and TSR before them. if only the player/gm handbooks weren't the size of the titanic, the wardens would never have noticed.

    also, D4 = offensive weapon, everyone knows that.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:16 No.7781263
    Guys, why bother with DnD if that's illegal?

    Go play some DH, or hell, Paranoia would be great for convicted murderers.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:19 No.7781284
    >"In a case that has been winding its way through the courts for a while now, a Wisconsin prison banned inmates from playing Dungeons & Dragons, using the justification that 'one player is denoted the Dungeon Master... [who] is tasked with giving directions to other players... [which] mimics the organization of a gang.' The prison also cited some sparse evidence that a handful of non-inmate D&D players once committed some crimes that allegedly were related to their D&D playing. On Monday the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the regulation (PDF) against challenges from inmates. The court appeared skeptical of the ban, sarcastically referring to it as the 'war on D&D,' but upheld it nonetheless as having a 'rational basis.' Law professor Ilya Somin suggests that the court may have had no choice, given how deferential rational-basis review usually is."
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:20 No.7781293
    >>7781259
    he should downgrade to dnd v1 - that's pretty thin. maybe monster manual and greyhawk supplement - still takes up less space than 4e player handbook
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:21 No.7781304
    they should switch systems to Macho Women With Guns
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:22 No.7781312
    >>7781304
    Fuck that.

    Mouse Guard.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:22 No.7781315
    >>7781284
    "Yo, little Slim, get me some drugs."
    "Naw man, you know I'm off that shit now.
    "Do it or your paladin falls"
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:26 No.7781358
    MOTHAFUCKA YOU FAIL TO DETECT THE TRAP. YOU'S DEAD MOTHAFUCKA.

    GET THE FUCK OUT, YOU DON'T EXIST NO MO'
    >> Anonymous of College Park,MD 01/26/10(Tue)13:27 No.7781368
    >>7779084

    >Kevin T. Singer filed a lawsuit against officials at Wisconsin's Waupun prison after a policy was initiated in 2004 to eradicate all Dungeons and Dragons game materials among concerns that playing it promotes gang-related activity.

    Was there any evidence that playing it promotes gang-related activity?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:28 No.7781376
    >>warden said THAC0, prisoners went thackwut motherfucker? warden raeg.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:29 No.7781384
    >>7781368
    Think about it. You basically gain a new argot that most guards are unlikely to EVER look into.
    Party, tank, spells, encounter, BBEG, etc.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:29 No.7781385
    >>7781358
    AW NO MAN. DON'T SEND ME INTO AN EXISTENTIAL CONUNDRUM OF MY OWN EXISTENCE. SHIT SUCKS.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:29 No.7781388
    >>7781368
    It seems to be based on the assumption that the DM somehow controls the players in the same way as the leader of a gang would, or that the social construct of an adventuring party is too close to being a gang.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:30 No.7781404
    >>7781385

    I ALREADY SAY YOU DEAD FOO'

    NIGGA YOU DON' EXIST
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:32 No.7781420
    YO TYRESE YOU BALLIN' AT EIGHTH LEVEL DAWG, THINK IT'S TIME YOU LEARN SOME REAL GANGSTA SHIT
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:33 No.7781426
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    >>7781404
    BLACK LEAF
    NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:33 No.7781428
    >>7781404
    AW MAN. CAN'T I, LIKE, ROLL A NEW CHARACTER OR SOMETHIN'?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:35 No.7781448
    >>7781428
    NIGGA GET THE FUCK OUT, YOU DEAD.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:36 No.7781465
    SUP HOMIES I BROUGHT TYRESE UP IN HERE TO BECOME A PRIESTESS AN' A WITCH AN' FLOW.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:39 No.7781489
    >>7781465
    FO' THE LAST TIME, NIGGA: THAT'S JUST TYRONE IN DRAG, STOP FUCKING HIM. AND NO, HE CAN'T PLAY, NEITHER.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:40 No.7781499
    >>7781426
    More like Niggerweed.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:41 No.7781506
    >>7781080
    it worked for us until we got to the point of having to give abbo's rights then it all went downhill
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:42 No.7781521
    Rot in your cell you fucking animals.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:44 No.7781540
    DAMN I USED FUCKIN' MIND BONDAGE ON ONE OF THE GUARDS- HONKY MUTHA WENT OUT AN JACKED ME A GRIP OF D&D SHIT!
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:47 No.7781585
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    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:47 No.7781587
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    ITT: Rollin' with the Wizards.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:52 No.7781647
    Don't ever change /tg/. Don't ever change.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:53 No.7781662
    THIS JUST IN: D&D IS REALLY A COVER FOR A GANGS OF SATAN WORSHIPERS. THEY ROB CONVENIENCE STORES AND USE THE MONEY FOR HOMOSEXUAL SATANIC ORGIES
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:55 No.7781681
    >>7781662
    I fucking knew it.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:56 No.7781699
    >>7781662
    No wonder I can't find a group.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:57 No.7781711
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    YO DAWG, CHECK OUT MY NEW DICE, DAY BE BALLAN
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)13:58 No.7781724
    >>7781711
    That ain't no real gold bitchnigga. Come back when you rollin' fucking diamonds and shit.
    >> Magus O'Grady 01/26/10(Tue)13:59 No.7781736
    There's really nothing any of us can say that hasn't been said here: http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=4968600
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)14:01 No.7781753
    You honkies do gangsta pretty well. Any of you play gangstas in your RPGs?
    >> sage Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)14:11 No.7781863
    we will continue to deny him D&D. But we are not a heartless society we will make a concession

    we will give them the fatal rule book.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)14:12 No.7781886
    >>7781863
    Fucking hell, man. Gas the poor bastards too while you're at it.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)14:17 No.7781934
    >>7781863
    i think that FATAL would be amusing for some of the prisoners

    "hey buddy you dropped the soap so you better hope you roll well for anal circumference"
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)14:20 No.7781955
    although I doubt this will help anyone, here's the Westlaw citation for the case:

    2010 WL 252290
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)14:23 No.7781993
    >>7781137

    New film idea: Entire prison gets caught up in the game, little by little. It turns into a LARP that interconnects all of the smaller adventures run between inmates into an expansive world.

    Things turn ugly after the first few characters die, people getting caught up in the fantasy actually start shanking deceased PCs. It all goes downhill from there...
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)14:37 No.7782143
    >>7779187
    You know, not having DnD materials doesn't mean he can't game. In fact, this could give him the cance to make up his own system. Especially if he works with the others and tries to create a way to have fun.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)14:57 No.7782314
    >>7782143
    yes but trying to get a group of convicts to try out a homebrew system or any RPG that doesn't devolve into shank or rape would be pretty hard
    >> scaredofshadows !jROwPecJek 01/26/10(Tue)14:59 No.7782350
    >>7782314
    you monkeys could turn a game of uno into murder and rape, yeah?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)15:07 No.7782418
    >>7781886
    No, we will force them to play FATAL.... in the dark.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)15:09 No.7782437
    >>7782350
    motherfucker we can turn looking at someone into murder and rape games are easy
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)17:49 No.7784101
    >>7782418
    Even worse: They must play FATAL while listening to Barry Manilow.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/10(Tue)18:28 No.7784478
    man goes to prison, his dnd group visits him during visiting hours and they play.



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