>grueling work
I enjoy it.
>shit pay
This is true.

>engineers are no longer respected
>get called names(nerd, weirdo, geek)
>most neckbeard profession out there
>get treated like shit by managment
>girls wont be impressed
>sacrifice the "college experience" due to workload
>work with socially awkward people
>spend the rest of your lonely life in a cubicle
Lol what?
Stop blaming your studies for being a lonely, socially awkward pushover.

>>5471077
Keep thinking that.
Don't be all buttpained because all the engineers ignore you and your cave.

>>5471077
EK everyone knows you are a closet childman who would love to lick your mothers labia.

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>sacrifice the "college experience" due to workload

Right in the feels. The worst part about this is that I go to class (mechE) with people who manage to maintain good grades and a healthy 'college life' by going to clubs, parties, meetings, you name it. Most of them are kinda wealthy and attend preparation schools to prepare for their exams, mostly by repetitively solving past year exams.

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>>5471098
>only know one engineer
>he ignores you sexually
>know no other engineers because they ignore you

mate, come on..... who are you fooling?

This sounds just like that show dilbert.

As for all the reasons you gave not to be an engineer, they're terrible.

>>5471113
His reasons for ignoring you sexually are irrelevant. He ignores you.

I think youre describing "technician", you see technicians are the plebs that the engineers tell what to do

>>5471124
He ignores you sexually and you know no other engineers because they ignore you completely.

We are in agreement. No need for profanity.

>>5471113
what a disgusting person this girl is. dont you have people to hang out with ??why are you here on a friday night

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>>5471061 (OP)
I have that exact same calculator.

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>>5471136
Ok.

But most people pick engineering for those reasons. They know they have no people skills and will have to rely on technical skills. Boeing is run by an American Studies major from Yale.

I've been considering switching from physics to engineering because jobs, but the more I read about engineering the less I care. I'd rather be unemployed.

I'm unemployed.

Can we trade problems? Because god, shit pay is better than no pay at all.

It seems to me that being marginalized is an unavoidable aspect of living in a late capitalist state.

>>5472014
Try getting a job first then talk about being marginalized.

I pretty much live in the engineering capital of the world, no job is more well-respected and well-paid here.

Become an Industrial Engineer!

>easy work
>great pay
>IE's are loved by all
>get called names(great, essential, hot)
>least neckbeard profession out there
>Be managment
>girls impressed
>Live the "college experience" due to workload
>Work with socially awesome people
>spend the rest of your great life managing people in cubicles

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>tfw can't into "college experience" because all my friends either: hang out same old HS group/lame in general OR don't invite me to stuff/don't know em well enough to invite myself to their shit

>tfw taking on second major to fill all the free time

feels bad man.

>>5472029
I'm taking up IE right now, but I have to take a bunch of my majors still. I'm pure IE now, but what do you think about IME-SM and IME-IT?

>>5471061 (OP)
>grueling work
I like a challenge
>shit pay
Not interested in money.

The rest of that just sounds like personal problems

I'm pretty sure Engineering is the second most trusted/respected profession behind nursing.

Maybe you shouldn't major in shit tier Civil.

EE bro here making great pay, no complaints.

>>5472069

I think you should just do what you're better at/like more. Personally, I'd take the best from both, but that's not always an option.

how much spare time do you have if you work as an engineer?
(like playing video games and watch anime)

>>5471090
>Right in the feels. The worst part about this is that I go to class (mechE) with people who manage to maintain good grades and a healthy 'college life' by going to clubs, parties, meetings, you name it. Most of them are kinda wealthy and attend preparation schools to prepare for their exams, mostly by repetitively solving past year exams.

Double math/physics here, still in undergrad. I spend most of my free time in a 20x20 foot room due to so many problem sets each week. Literally a problem set due every day of the week except Sunday and Monday. It tears me up inside when I hear college grads tell me about how much fun college is or how I'm in the prime of my life. The worst part is that I know I'll probably never be truly great at what I do despite how much time I put forth.

I enjoy that I'm learning and understanding so many new concepts, but fucking hell - I'll probably never know what it's like to "have a blast" like people describe.

>>5472109
traditional engineer jobs are kinda blue-collar-professional like ... show up at work on time, do your job, leave at the end of the day, don't take your work home with you.

1) "my son the doctor"
2) "my son the engineer"

>>5472114
Drop a major bro.

I looked up the wikipedia, but it did that whole formal language trick.
What is IE? Do you guys enjoy it?
What sort of degree?

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>>5471061 (OP)
You serious OP?
Worked out pretty well for me...

>>5471087
>>5471088
>>5471105
>>5471120
>>5471130
>>5471142
>>5471146
>mfw I will never know what was said

>>5472187
there's an archive
http://archive.installgentoo.net/sci/thread/S5471061#p5471061

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>>5472189

>sitting at a desk in an airconditioned room

>grueling work

lol

>restate essentially the same point over and over

>>5471061 (OP)

>grueling work
True, but it doesn't feel like phony bullshit, because it usually isn't.
>shit pay
Relative to what? An engineer with an MS will pretty typically make 80-120K. Engineering professors make over 90K and often do consulting work for some extra pay, as well.
>engineers are no longer respected
Among who?
>get called names(nerd, weirdo, geek)
Hahaha No. Maybe you do.
>most neckbeard profession out there
Computer programmers (of the 'codemonkey' type, especially) are more neckbearded, but, really, "unemployed" is as neckbearded as it gets.
>get treated like shit by managment
Then you're doing the wrong engineering.
>girls wont be impressed
rly?
>sacrifice the "college experience" due to workload
Well, you got me. Well...not entirely.
>work with socially awkward people
Do you get all your opinions of people from watching bad sitcoms?
>spend the rest of your lonely life in a cubicle
Not even close.

>>5472114
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/01/21/engineers_cold_and_dead_inside/

>>5472227
>students

>>5472227
this is a joke website yeah?

>>5472235
I heard about it in the radio yesterday morning.

>shit pay
Haha, joke's on you, I live in the 3rd world and it's one of the best payed things.

>the college experience
I never understood that shit from US colleges, you go to college to learn, and shit is really hard if you're on any decent career. I guess it has to do with how everyone needs a college degree there to even work at McDonalds from what I've heard.

>>5472258
>the college experience
>I never understood that shit from US colleges, you go to college to learn
This.
Srsly, you go there to learn, not for drunk parties and shit like that.

>tfw your a scientist with small shity but your own lab working alone and nobody says you what to do

>sacrifice the "college experience" due to workload

>being a good student
>not having all F's and one E, and that one is from Sociology
plebs.

What am I doing with my life. :( Well at least I got to do some weed, I have never tried it before.

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>>5472258
>I never understood that shit from US colleges, you go to college to learn

poster confirmed for massive faggot. enjoy your cocks and cubicle.

>>5472271
Get out of my academia, plebeian of the simple mind and earthly pleasures.

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>>5472276
I don't even go to USC and hhhnngggg
Sadly, I'm the guy that is doing a double major because I'm so lonely and have so much free time.
I keep telling myself to drop some classes and go out sometime. *sigh* maybe one day...

Oh and earthly pleasures is all there is. You're a fool for not wanting to be surrounded by women. Unless you think women (or men I guess) don't give you pleasure. Then you're just delusional.

>>5472271
Just look at there faces! Completely stupid sluts (well maybe 3d from the left is ok). Disgusting.
>not a virgin
>stays in lab for the night with normal girl
>100% better than degrading sluty drunk parties
>gtfo you animal

>>5472284
>You're a fool for not wanting to be surrounded by women.
I just already got a girlfriend. It's overrated. The best part if anything is feeling you're loved and not alone.

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What do Euro/Canada people even do in school. No sports; no wonder you all seem gay.

>>5472296
we actually study, no wonder you americans all seem ignorants :/

>>5471061 (OP)
Op you don't know how to be an engineer.

I work outside sales with my engineering degree.

I travel all over the world making deals for the firm I work with. We specialize in automation, so I go to everything from mines and oil fields to buildings and factories.

My job basically consists of 80% travel and 20% office. When I say travel, that's pretty much what it is, I talk to people, I meet with people, I go to functions, events, parties, with the sole goal of trying to sell the firms services which in reality are superior.

Most of the time it's just me letting the guys know what we do and then after that it's just negotiations.

I get bonuses too, so I'm not getting your typical engineers 65k a year, what I make is based on how successful the year is. I made about 230k for the 2012 year and that's three years out of college.

I don't work in cubicles, I get payed to party, and me and management are bros.

No, don't blame your life as a cubicle gnome on the fact you chose engineering, blame it on the fact you don't know how to socialize and make the right connections. You don't know how to sell yourself, you never put in the effort, and you used your brain power as a cheat to get a decent 9-5 job instead of actually making something of yourself.

Don't blame your regrets on engineering bro, blame them on yourself. And remember, you can still change.

>>5472114
See, your problem is you actually do the problem sets lol.

People with 'the college life' didn't really do all that well in college, in terms of grades. They spent it making friends and getting connections.

They pass with a 2.5 GPA but the friend he and a friend partied one night and he helped his friend land a girl who ends up being the love of his life and the friend rewards the other with a reference to his best friends dad who's got a nice position opening up at honeywell.

It's all about making connections dude.

>>5472296
Why do you need sports in school or university?
You americans are fucked up people.

>>5472083
>shit pay
Not interested in money.

you're 16 aren't you

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>>5472311
My face at your gayness.

>>5472323
Tell me what are you doing at /sci/? Go play with the ball or something.

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>>5472328
You really need to get out more.

>>5472323
>Watches sweaty muscular men touching and chasing big leather balls and piling on top of each other
>Calls other people gay
Unless your sport of preference is female mud wrestling, you got nothing.

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>>5472331
>dis nigga...

confirmed for never having watched a sport. ever.

>>5472334
lol and then these losers blame engineering

>"college experience"
I think it's a myth. All i do in university is studying hard every day all day. I think people are trolling by saying that "years in uni/college is a best part of your life" and that it's "awesome".

>>5472335
Not OP.
OP hates his job, and it's his own fault. He needs to learn how to get the respect of his colleagues. It's not a course you take while you're in school, but it works the same as making friends and getting people to like you. Just show that you can pull your weight, and help out others if they need it. Don't be condescending, don't try to take all the credit for yourself if you got help, admit it if you made a mistake, don't show off, don't be a dick, etc.

If he's not being respected, they're probably dicks, and he should find some place else to work.

>>5472338
Half-true. Yes it's hard. But people are sayind about best years because it's going to get worse. No, not harder but much more routine and boring.

>>5472344
>Much more routine and boring
Maybe if you get a shitty job.
CERN here I go!

>>5472349
CERN, not routine or boring aushaushah dream

>>5472349
LHC is going to stop working again for a couple of years.

>>5472264
>>tfw your a scientist with small shity
>small shity

What? My "shitty" is normal sized and healthy.

>>5472334
I went to plenty of games freshmen year and I guess I just didnt 'get it'. I really dont see the appeal. Like, Im part of a pickup league, so I enjoy playing sports, but watching sports never made sense to me.

Dont even get me started on fantasy sports either. Fantasy sports is Dungeons and Dragons for guys who wouldnt be caught dead playing Dungeons and Dragons.

>be engineer
>jobs everywhere
>all jobs are > 60k even without experience
>don't have to kiss ass or rely on people liking me personal to succeed
>no one understands what I do, so I have 0 supervision as long as I pretend to be diligent.
>people gasp when I tell them what my major is
>new car and student loans paid in second year of working
>dont have to give a fuck cause my designs work and make the company money
>studied so hard I have never met anyone with a fraction of my skill set
>im irreplaceable since the companies product can only be maintained by me.

>>5472404
wat kind
pls respond
i will switch my major

I want to become a mechanical engineer but I'm straight.

>>5472404
please respond

>>5472373
It is about a lab, bro. But I appreciate your joke.

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>>5472227 >We're aware that we also have many readers in the physics-based professions, but we needn't worry about them as they obviously won't care what anyone thinks of them or be able to see why they should.

I was going to peacefully spend my time solving problems such as the energy/resource crisis & world hunger but now I'm going to dedicate my life to building a robot that will be a dick to plebs/everyone like this guy everywhere.

Fuck you. Enjoy your billions of violent starving niggers, I'm going to space.

>>5472338
>"college experience"
What do americans do at their colleges?
Move to a place 1000 miles out of their home to pay 30k per year so they can get drunk with other people?

That's stupid, in many ways.

College is for learning.

>>5472640

Never underestimate the stupidity of people. I watch my fellow Americans tell themselves they "deserve" a free education and a free job that supports a 5 person family and lets them buy that giant house. And they won't take no for an answer. They kick and scream like a little child.

>>5472672

And then you kick and scream whenever the government tries to take your guns away.

Like you have some right to them. Unless you're a terrorist, the 2nd amendment does not apply to you.

>>5472683

The 2nd amendment applies to terrorists?

>>5472689

It's strictly worded that the only reason people should be allowed to keep guns is to form terrorist cells to force armed rebellion against what the terrorists consider to be an evil government.

You're not supposed to have guns unless you have intentions of sedition. But since guns are an incredibly lucrative business, the laws have been greased by the gun profiteer lobbies.

>>5472694

So what you're saying is that terrorists should be allowed to keep their guns but we should take them away from everyone else?

>>5472694
Y'know there's this think called hunting that used to be pretty popular before supermarkets and continues to be.

>>5472029
Yes. Go to IE. It's not called "Instant Engineering" for no reason. Also there's a disproportionate amount of women in our IE department for some reason.

>>5472708

>spend the rest of your life managing people in cubicles

This sounds terrible too though.

>>5472404
what do you do, faggot? tell us.

>>5472710
>implying you'll graduate
>implying you won't just spaghetti out on being literally the only guy in all of your classes

Work's easy from what I hear, apparently a good job means people aren't dying/falling into your processes or what-have-yous. People naturally tend to not kill themselves to that's a plus.

>>5472701

That's the wording of the document. Only anarchists and terrorists are permitted to have them. It is a 200+ year old document that has no relevance today.

>>5472703
That's nice. Some people want to live like amish savages up in alaska. Doesn't mean we should have a school shooting every other month just to accommodate crazy loners.

>>5472312
No. I work because I'm passionate about what I do.
Not because it will make me rich.

I started college as an engineering major.

Then I found out I can go into a field where I can do REAL science and have better job prospects than engineers:

Geology.(hydrocarbons industry)

>Starting salary with MS over 100k
>Top-end salaries for experienced geologists over 200k
>Extremely low unemployment (virtually zero with MS)
>Demand for geologists > supply
>Nice office, lots of travel, opportunities to work in the field
>Real science used to discover new hydrocarbons sources and improve methods of discovery - engineers do the grunt work once the geologists decide where to drill
>Math/science requirements in college are roughly equivalent to those for engineering majors, plus addition of geology major classes
>Management loves geologists
>Geologists often move up to management in oil anyway
>Geologists are cool as shit (best people i've ever met)
>Grad school is always free (demand>supply)
>36,000 fellowship + tuition + health ins offer from UT-Austin

Engineering is okay, but far from the best choice for "getting a job".

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official tier list for engineering

>>5472866
>Math major
>300K starting

>>5472882
Aerospace engineering = low tier?

No son, just no.

I'm gonna finisg studying engineering and then make a living out of software development, just because I wanted to study something that had a good amount of physics and mathematics, and would land me a job that wasn't as a teacher.

>>5472311
It's a large income for the college, the fans spend a lot, the teams earn a lot. They have to rely on it because our government doesn't see education as a priority. Gotta' bomb dem pakis'

this is also why the student athletes don't get paid.

>>5472296
We have sports, but the people who partake in them or care are seen as losers.

>>5472887
>Implying it isn't mechanical engineering but more narrow.

>>5472897
You could have done software development with a physics or math degree.

>>5471061 (OP)
tektronic
>noob

>l2 atten


also as an engineer in game design who fixes arcade games from the 90s on all day, i can fully enjoy the fact your lust for engineering jew gold is causing you misery.

maybe take a normal job and go back to being the smartest and most respected in the building, not just another competitor with your peers.
>find a smaller fishtank and own it

>>5472404
>that feel when the company doesn't own the IP you made them and they rely on it every second

>>5472866

yes geology/geoscience is a good choice if you couldn't make it in engineering

>>5472980

> implying that engineering is difficult

Can I have your scope?

>>5472142
trudat

>>5472987

easier than physics/math, but definitely harder than geology/Geo-physics

engineers a cool, my cousin is a aeronautical engineer, clever guy, i remember we were at a braai and he was explaining fluid dynamics, mind blown...

>>5473160

and which geology/geophysics courses have you taken to back this up? I seem to remember a decent number of materials engineering major struggling with mineralogy.

Geo majors that get jobs (i.e. those who go to grad school) have to take as much math and physics as engineering majors, if not more.

>>5473170

I haven't actually taken one, I have just compared the two programs at my school and geo whatever majors do considerably less hard courses.

What's with the stereotyping? I'm one of the most, if not most socially awkward person among my peers, and i've got no trouble socializing, unless they're the kind which i never want to have anything to do with. But fortunately those are nearly non-existent in academic world (the dumb and averages with low paying jobs or being unemployed and with narcissistic personality disorder).

>>5472683
Damage control.

As far as getting a good job goes, there really aren't many fields that beat out engineering... an engineer with an MBA can easily get into six figures, and that MBA is often paid for by the company. Just choose a good subfield and you will have good prospects

Try power engineering, tons of jobs available (and even more with the majority of the industry retiring within 5-10 years) great pay (average salary according to most sites is $70k-$80k for power engineers) and lots of opportunities for advancement (getting an MBA and moving into management is an example, since a lot of the higher up people will be retiring soon)

http://www.todaysengineer.org/2011/Jun/career-focus.asp

>grueling work
Yep, that's what you sign up for.
>shit pay
Lolwut? Unless you graduated bottom of your class from a community college is software 'engineering' the money is almost uniformly better then similar work level in other fields.

I finished EE scoring middle-high in graduating class and I started out making 82k/year. Four and a half years later I'm making 115k/year and have companies continuously vying for my skills.

>engineers are no longer respected
>get called names(nerd, weirdo, geek)
>most neckbeard profession out there
>get treated like shit by managment
>girls wont be impressed
>sacrifice the "college experience" due to workload
>work with socially awkward people
>spend the rest of your lonely life in a cubicle

Agree with...
>>5471072
Stop being a pansy, no wonder you hate being an engineer; you shouldn't be getting pushed around by anyone.

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25 year old party fag here.

I have been getting laid, smoking weed and doing 'fun shit' since I was 15.

I've even been to all the college parties and done the "social life" thing.

Getting drunk and hyped up is alright for a little while until you realize you have nothing to show for it year old with no degree or future, and all those "cool people" you chilled with are nobodies on welfare, or on the street begging for coin.

Seriously though grass is greener on the other side. I envy you science and mathfags who went to school to educate yourselves.

vid related is how I feel about things now:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evsttffaWvY

>>5474014
trudis

>>5472882
My undergrad: EE, minors in math and BioE
MS EE, MS BioE
Working Ph.D
hope to be "neural signal processing engineer".
According to this list...did I waste my life being a God?

>>5474084
>"neural signal processing engineer"
A what?

>>5474098
A simple google search would lead one to this job description:

>Job Summary: Lead an applied neuroscience research effort that uses non-invasive neural imaging tools (fMRI, EEG, or fNIRS) as an enabling technology for future paradigms of human-computer interactions and for discovering neurophysiological correlates of human behavior and cognition.

>Duties:

>1) Design, implement and test novel brain-computer interface applications using non-invasive neural signal acquisition systems and neural signal processing algorithms. (40%)

>2) Acquire neuroimaging data from human subjects, design and implement data preprocessing and analysis routines, interpret and analyze data, and form conclusions. (30%)

>3) Assist with the design and implementation of neuromimetic algorithms to support automated signal processing of sensor data. (15%)

>4) Work with sponsor organizations to communicate impact of research, develop concepts of operation with mission relevance, and plan for future transition of this technology to the field. (10%)

>5) Write scientific manuscripts and whitepapers summarizing results for conferences and peer review journals. (5%)

>Note: This job summary and listing of duties is for the purpose of describing the position and its essential functions at time of hire and may change over time.

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>In a College of Arts & Science, studying biochemistry
>Perfect balance between studying for a good future and "the college experience"
>Have a study group, we all have fun and get trashed after exams

This is fantastic.

>>5474113
>biochemistry
>good future

hold my sides, as I laugh even harder