Industrialization did more harm than good.
>>925170>implying we're better off without /b/
>>925170> Implying "good" is not a concept.
>>925176>>925211>greentext. How do they work ?
The dawn of agriculture did more harm than good.
The Bible did more harm than good.
>>925170>implying you would rather have lived in the 17th century
>implications up in this motherfucker
>>925221This is actually what I intended to write first, but I realize it would be boring though true. You're boring.
Human life has done more harm than good
>>925226>implying agriculture was developed in the 17th century
>>925221GTFO Zerzan
>>925231Read OP's post again.
>>925230>implying Earth Mother worship
>>925231> you can read
Humanity you should have just remained in the stone age. It will never be content with civilization. There will always be war, crime, and mental illness for as long as modern society persists. A global thermonuclear exchange is inevitable. The end is approaching nearer with each passing decade.
short term yes, long term no. lots of people died, lived in sheet conditions, poor pay. yes it might have caused for harm for individuals, but as a whole this revolution was much needed."Unity is strength" -straight from the horse's mouth
Very touching /sci/, you show great insight in denouncing agriculture. Can we please get back to the trolling now?
>>925248You can go live like a caveman *right now*. I suggest you do so.
>>925248The stupid in your post increased exponentially as it got longer.
>>925259I just might, I'll sure as hell enjoy the 4 hours tops of foraging I'll have to do each day, enjoy your 9-5.
>>925266>he actually thinks cavemen had a higher quality of life
>>925266You've never been camping for even a few days, have you?
we are where we are at because we were not satisfied before. cool new car comes out, you want it, then you want the next year's model. repeat. die.we will never be satisfied, no one will. find me ONE person who is satisfied with EVERYTHING,and ill show you someone who is mentally ill
>>925269four hour day, living in nature, no shitty urban stress, no fucking toxins in my food, doesn't sound that terrible to me.
>>925279see >>925271
>>925277So materialism is stupid. Congratulations, you're not as much of a tool as you used to be. Your rant is misdirected at industrialization, which does not require materialism.
The evolution of consciousness did more harm than good.
>>925248That's fine cause within the next few decades we'll have colonies being set up on the moon and mars.
have fun fucking hairy girls(if even) and dying within 4 years from disease or bear attack
The appearance of life on Earth has done more harm than good
>>925283>>925283Actually I go camping all the time, and I learn way more about life there than I do in school
>>925297Eagle Scout here. Your posts are naive. However, if you like living as a mountain man indefinitely, go for it.
>>925266>Thinks cavemen had a high standard of living.
The formation of the solar system has done more harm than good
The Big Bang has done more harm than good
>In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. Ahhh, I love me some Douglas Adams
>>925259You realize that to have a functioning hunter-gatherer society, it would take about 150 people to realize it? You further realize that modern society has essentially demolished the foundations for nomad culture through cities, decimation of wild life, environmental pollution and also by just occupying the whole fucking planet.
sorry, my phone wont let me direct my statements. i am the one that says materialism is stupid, not that wild man.and without materialism we would not have an industrial society
>>925313> essentially demolished the foundations for nomad culture through cities, decimation of wild life, environmental pollution and also by just occupying the whole fucking planet.You've watched too much environmentalist propaganda.
Not OP, but I've been planning to move out of my parent's house and live in the wilderness for a while now as well. I was ready to carry on the capitalist bullshit that my parents are part of, but then I saw Fight Club. That changed my life.I realised that the natural state of humanity was as hunter gatherers. I'm going to go out and live in the wilderness in Oregon pretty soon. I won't need any of the bullshit that modern society has with it. I'll just live off the land, like my ancestors (I'm part Cherokee). And if you don't like it? Well you're welcome to enjoy your shit capitalist life being oppressed by corporations and governments. Remember that I will be living as nature intended.
>>925317I disagree. By "materialism", I understand a constant focus on obtaining more and "better" physical goods, to the exclusion of other pursuits. Industrialization is just the more efficient way to take care of physical needs in large groups, whether or not material goods are the driving focus in personal life.
>>925325>but then I saw Fight Club. That changed my life.wut>Remember that I will be living as nature intended.Nature is not a person. It has no intentions. Is it Natures' intention that you have tapeworms or that you die of smallpox?
>Look at me mommy, I'm complaining about modern life at the interwebs.
>>925333I know that nature isn't sentient, faggot, it's just an expression.
>>925333Nature wills it. There is no god but Nature, and Al Gore is her prophet.
>>925350Then what, exactly does it express, if not what I objected to?
>>925325>then I saw Fightclub>it changed my lifefacepalm.jpg
>>925325everything is 'natural', faggotour brain was created by nature, therefore it is natural, and therefore anything that comes out of a human brain is naturalgod i hate you fucking people with your 'DERP NATURE INTENDED THIS' and 'THIS IS NOT NATURAL LOLOLO'
>>925321Actually, I'm quite apathic to politics so I don't really read anything more than science and classical literature.
>>925382I was merely guessing where your strange perception that the environment can no longer support a nomadic lifestyle came from. It's not true.
Get back in the forest, troll.
>>925379>implying your not committing a fallacy that a baby would spot
>>925393Quite obviously, I would beg to differ.
>>925395Name it. I'm curious. I think he's right. The guy he references is in the same group that opposes "chemicals in their food". Enjoy your chemical-free food, whatever the hell that is.
>>925401Fair enough, but I'd like to understand the basis for your view better.You mention pollution. That is obviously not an issue in the wild as far as sustainable human life goes, right? And wildlife? And just where do you get the idea that large predators are not around anymore? If they can make it, so can small groups of people.
other than medical drives, what else would drive a society to industrialize other than materialism
>>925428People in the 18th and 19th centuries just wanted good food, clothing and shelter. There is a reason that one of the first things to be industrialized were textile mills.
>>925379Keep on thinking that. You can fucking continue living in your evil capitalist megatropolis, drinking your coke and eating your tv dinners. Enjoy working a 9 to 5 job for money so you can continue working hard like a good drone. You're a fucking slave. A slave to the corporations and a slave to society. You haven't got any chance, they've already brainwashed you with their propoganda.I feel sad for every brainwashed drone in our military - industrial complex of a country, but there's nothing that can be done for them, they're too far gone.
>>925434Does it matter? I can say whatever I want to whoever I want and I live happier, better and longer than any cavemen would ever hope to.
>>925434>evil: 1 time>slave: 3 times>drone: 2 times>brainwashed: 2 times>propaganda: 1 timeYou've got some serious butthurt there, with a very healthy dose of conspiracyfag. I take it you hate your job, and want to blame society instead of being responsible for your circumstances?Talk with me here. Am I a "drone"? Am I "brainwashed"? And brainwashed into what, exactly? Being forced to contribute meaningfully to society if I want to have food that other people grew and a house that someone else built?I'm not one of the shallow materialist people you're referring to.
>>925448It does matter, because of one essential difference; freedom.You're trapped in your dystopian society, stuffing tv dinners until you die, trapped by the constraints of the law.I will be free, living my life as I intend, not as coca-cola corporation intends, free from any barriers that laws erect all around us.
yes, they wanted good stuff, which sounds like materialism. the only thing we NEED is nourishment, and protection(fire, cave)everything else is completely unecessary
>>925460LOLOK, which laws are cramping your style right now?
>>925411Main issue with pollution is water supply. The most easily accessible water is undrinkable because of heavy metal poisoning or otherwise inappropriate as a result of ecological distrubances from human activity.Another issue with pollution is that traditional hunter-gatherer food such as mushrooms, berries and fruits get toxic. For example, in Sweden, where I live, there's a lot of cadmium in such things growing in the wild.I don't think you quite realize how agriculture changed the landscape of the earth. Prehistorically, it was mainly forest with few meadows. Today, the forests is long gone to endless amounts of farms and fields. This type of biotope can't support the traditional larger animal stock which are replaced with smaller or no animals.
>>925469You just keep telling yourself that.
>>925506Turns out Maslow just made that shit up without any evidence.
