Enlist in the military.

join the police

>>910694
Of a specific person?

>>910701
Tub of acid.

plant cp on their computer, let an angry mob do the rest

fuck the corpse , in many different positions , many times. and cum all over his face as last touch. That'll do the trick....

>>910711
I like that one

>>910704
actually, a tub of base (lye) would be better.

>>910688
>How could one get away with murder?
hitting them with your car in an accident.
no overspeed, no drugs, no alcohol......might even keep your licence.

>>910723
it helps if you are young, under 18 is best

1st. Make chloroform to subdue target.

2. Follow directions....

>>910732
chloroform is a poison and you're more likely to kill someone using it than you are to knock them out.

If you want to reliably safely knock someone out, you need to use a sedative, administered intravenously, and in the proper dosage for their body type.

>>910737

This is terrifying.

Why would you proliferate this information? Jesus christ.

>>910764
gtfo moralfag

>>910764
For the lulz, apparently.

>>910756
>administered intravenously
LOL only if they're going to allow it, or they are out cold already.

>>910756

Only thought it could kill when one is exposed to it for long periods of time. Regardless, thanks for the fact. Still I would consider it an effective and rather reliable method of subduing said target for better or for worse....

>>910768
but you could say it's intravenous candy?

>>910764

1st your a moralfag, 4chan is the wrong place for you dude.

2nd I am not concerned about those who choose to murder, to be perfectly honest I would probably condone every murder on this earth. I like the idea of population control and I intend to one day create a virus that has the fatality rate of the ebola virus and the ability to spread as fast as tuberculosis.

Is that Sideshow Bob?

Right now, the easiest way is to do it inside your mind.
We currently have no thought police.

>I intend to one day create a virus

hahahahahahahhahaaaaaaaaa hahahaha

oh ... man ...

>>910771
If you want to subdue someone, just use a taser and some handcuffs. You may also want a beating stick, but the taser ought to be good enough.

>>910777

No just a concerned anon that realizes our world cannot support our growing population. It's the greater good man, the greater good.....

>>910785
well i disagree

it IS sideshow bob (OP's pic)

>>910767
>>910776

No, fuck you. If being a moralfag means I'm against a fucking step-by-step guide to murder, then so be it.

>I like the idea of population control

Ah, interesting. Why haven't you killed yourself? Every little bit counts, after all.

buy some of these http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8922

puncture them, put them in your victim's stomach

>>910787

overlooked OP's picture.

Use a maser to fry brain. Forensic scientists will probably not have a clue how death was caused. This requires a lot of energy, so a couple generators in the back of a van would be necessary, but since microwave go through many materials, no one watching the drive by will have a clue that the van was related to the person dieing.

>>910790
Yeah you are a moralfag, but anyone with a shred of intelligence wouldn't say that its a bad thing.

That being said, it has been proven that sociopaths are often highly intelligent...

>>910776
Why would we need population control, if overpopulation ever becomes a real issue it would solve itself through starvation.

>>910790

Oh I will an hero of course once master plan comes to fruition.

>>910798

>Oh I will an hero of course once master plan comes to fruition.

Cop out. You just want to kill people.

>>910806
What's wrong with just wanting to kill people?

>>910810
Aaaaaaand we're done here.

Become their lover, so your DNA is all over their house. kill them in shower, so blood drains without making a mess. use food processor and hack saw to turn body into pulp, and flush it down the toilet. Clean tools and donate them anonymously to thrift store.

If I wanted to just murder I would sign myself into the military or I would fuck off to some 3rd world country.

Population control is a must and whether you realize it or not Government's have utilized variations of it for decade's for the greater good.

>>910764

If you get to kill someone, would you like to spend your life locked up?

Sanctioned contact sporting events indemnifies contestants.

Convince your mark to a agree to hand to hand combat, register for an event license, proceed to capitulate your opponent. Preferably with broadcasting rights.

Legal murder complete /thread

>>910810
>>910813
I lold far too much at that

>>910819
Right, because the dead person's lover won't be the first suspect.

>>910832
They can suspect all they want, but without the body as evidence, they can't even prove there was a crime.

>>910827

If I 'get' to kill someone?

Murder is not a fucking amusement park ride I'm waiting in line for. If I ever do lose my mind and kill someone, yes I want to be locked the fuck up, because I have shown I can't behave in our society.

>>910832
>sage

>>910851
ALL of life is a fucking amusement park ride, some lines are just longer than others.

>>910851
>implying browsing 4chan doesn't show you can't behave in our society

>>910796
or alternatively hypochondriac social pariahs who lack the cognitive ability to distinguish between "sociopath" and "not liking people because they're better than you"

population- Especially random population control- is pointless, murder doesn't aid it any more than cutting down a single tree helps global warming, and you can't "create" a virus. That you don't even know this just highlights you have no idea what you are on about

>>910851

You seriously believe the ability to murder is a pathological disorder? You are just weak man and you will never understand society nor succeed in it. You lack the survival instinct, leave and never come back, you weak individual.

A majority of people are not worthy of the life they have been gifted and squander it. The act of murder is an inevitability in the world and human must utilize the tools given to them to further their goals.

>>910872
Uhh, I'm a completely different person. I just interjected for that one post.

Go sit in a corner and think about what you've done.

>>910872
furthermore, pouring an entire body down your drain will leave more evidence than you will believe. Every crack, every rough part of the pipes leading from your home to the sewage plant will probably end up with DNA in them, leading the police straight back to you.

>>910872
I hope you're saying that, that one person can't create a virus, because if you're saying viruses can't be created in general, you're woefully misinformed.

>>910884
whoops- the former on sociopathy and its implications/classification still stand though
>>910737
you are entitled to my
>>910872
Bitch


*sits in corner*

>>910877

>You seriously believe the ability to murder is a pathological disorder?

Yes.

>You are just weak man and you will never understand society nor succeed in it.

Because I won't kill people. Right.

>You lack the survival instinct, leave and never come back, you weak individual.

I lack the survival instinct? Because I won't murder people?

And since when does being weak exclude me from fucking 4chan? I thought it was a damn prerequisite!

>A majority of people are not worthy of the life they have been gifted and squander it.

Says who? You with your 15-year old God complex? You'll forgive me if I don't trust your judgment.

>The act of murder is an inevitability in the world and human must utilize the tools given to them to further their goals.

Murder is inevitable, eh? In what sense? Are you saying everyone must either murder or be murdered? Because that doesn't sound like the world I live in. And murder is the means of ultimate success? I had no idea. Thank you for your worldly wisdom.

>>910872

Virus' can be created, replicated and distributed with great ease and I intend to do so.

Also you would be very wrong to under estimate member's of anon, as I in particular am very capable of completing any goals I set myself. I already have a degree in Virology and the financial backing to allow my plans to succeed.

Just sit back and be patient, the time will one day arrive and you will realize how it happened.

>>910896
I am indeed saying that one person can't, and it is fucking difficult to make them, even from already existing viri, and even to carry out menial tasks like infecting the bone marrow with a single piece of DNA

>>910911

>Virus'
>member's of anon
>under estimate

Anyone want to take a guess at this poster's age?

I say 14.

>>910911
>Virus'
>Doesn't know the term virii
>says he has a degree in virology
Sure thing buddy, whatever you say.

>>910901
My note on sociopaths was just an interesting, somewhat relevant piece of knowledge, I didn't mean any implications by it.

Extreme lines of thought and people with personalities which exhibit them are often very interesting, albeit, chilling.

>>910924

28.

Also english is not my native tongue.

degree in virology? you mean microbiology? what university offers an undergraduate degree in virology?

If in the UK, try running them over in your car. Death by dangerous driving - 5 years. Murder - Life.

>>910929
Nice excuse.

Just kidding. No one is biting.

>>910927
>Thinks the term "virii" is grammatically correct in either language.

>>910936
You're right, my mistake. Not sure how I got that habit.

>>910911
>he thinks he's evil genius

you're overly smug, stupid and optimistic, ergo you are a idiot
furthermore, scientific advance is perpetuated primarily by funding from the majority, with poor understanding of science

>>910936
>thinks any plural of virus is grammatically correct in either language

>>910927
all be they

albeit is an abbreviation turned word of "all be it"

>>910953
I thought this had stopped :/

>>910948
Obvious butthurt is obvious.

>>910968
I'm not the anon who originally corrected our eeeevvvil friend

>>910932

Nice try but I will not be informing you people of the university I attended, but I can assure you there are many universities that offer an undergraduate degree's in Virology, google is only one tab away.

Regardless, lament on my post's and draw whatever conclusions you wish. It does not concern me in the slightest. I understand what I am capable of even if you people choose to overlook my intentions as lies.

Good night anon.

>>910973

>melodramatic monologue followed by dropping of discussion

Yeah, you'll forgive us if we don't think you're quite up to the task of killing most of humanity.

You sound perfect for the villain of a b-movie though. Have you considered a career in acting?

>>910973
even if he's not a troll (lol), for every stupid hare-brained scheme he comes up with an executes, there are 500,000 trained, expert scientists who are smarter.

Kill someone with a bad criminal record and get rid of the body
The police will look the other way

>>910988
Agreed. Superiority complex much?

>>910776

well he originally said he wanted to cross the ebola virus with TB.

The ebola virus has no possible cure and is the deadliest virus known to humanity. I personally think it was just some angry kid but if one did cross the ebola virus with TB. It would be the most effective virus known to man...2/3 of the worlds population has TB and that number grows each day. I think it's a scary thought regardless and I doubt scientists could find a cure for such a concoction.

>>910996
if this gets to court it will be like antonio vs shylock in the merchant of venice

>>910988
Hey if someone really wanted to destroy humanity for the sake of it s/he really could
There are so many things that could kill people off nowadays its not even funny
Hell if you released smallpox into the United States a big chunk of the population would die from that alone

>>911014
I want to smash three suns together and see what happens, doesn't mean you should fear me

I personally think 3/4 of the people on sci could eliminate a million people each if they applied themselves. It really doesn't seem like an impossible thing to achieve.

>>911029

>>911044
Thing is, I doubt even 1% of those 3/4 would WANT to do such a thing.

>>911014
Just because 2/3rds of the world's population "has TB" doesn't mean they're undergoing an infection and are contagious. Also, TB is dangerous because of the incredibly long time it takes to reproduce and thus lay dormant until its numbers are high. Ebola has the exact opposite mode, it reproduces incredibly fast.

/thread.

>>911044
Maybe
But a better question would be what the hell is wrong with you?

>>911049

I'm distancing myself from mr.virology mastermind. was just stating that if /sci/ did apply itself to population control i think it would succeed on quite an unfathomable scale.

>>911088
WHY DO YOU FAGGOTS KEEP INSISTING THERE IS A POPULATION PROBLEM

>>911100

Because they really, really want to kill people.

It's like when Germany had a Jew problem, only global.

>>911100
There isn't a population problem but there is an issue of population density, too many people in one place not enough elsewhere.

>>911100

there is...if the world continue's growing like it is without changes. we will run out of water, food and resources by the end of this century.

>>911115
Horse shit, every species has a point when it's birth rate and death rate matches and it equalises

>>911044
What? no one has ever killed a million people themselves. Both of the atomic bombs that were ever used only killed in the low hundreds of thousands, and that includes radiation death.
Bioweapons are the only real possibility (though viral spread and deadliness are opposing properties). And I sincerely doubt 3/4 of sci can pull of a significant bio-terror attack on a dense population center.

>>911144
its in general controlled by the scarcity of resources. So why should we kill people proactively to protect resources, which scarcity will just end up killing people?

>>911115
The population is already regulating itself
If you knew anything about biology you'd know populations stop growing after they reach their maximum growing potential.
Also we will never run out of water and food, cause if we do we can always make some more
The only thing we're running out of is oil and thank God we are.
Now go back to /x/ to preach your end of the world prophecies you double nigger

>>911115
>>911144
Although population is best modeled as exponential in the short term, in long term (ie. 50000+ years) it is far better modeled as logistic. The limiting factor will be decided by (primarily) resources and efficiency.

>>911164
> in long term (ie. 50000+ years) it is far better modeled as logistic
Wow 50000+ years. Like we will be even homo sapiens by then

>>911162
This is what I mean, it's not scarcity of resources, it's something else I learned about in Biology that I can't be arsed trying to remember.

>>911169
Uhh, I'm talking of a single species, not the predecessors from which it evolved. On top of that, it was only an estimate. I'm not a biologist, I don't work in a field relevant to this, its merely an observation.

>>910688

Papa Roach made an essay about this, I think...

i dont understand why nobody just fills someones house with carbonmonoxide (CO) kills them and leaves almost no trace (its also painless if thats any concern to you.

>>910688

Etomidate and Succinylcholine?

if you want to torture them , just use Succinylcholine.

and then theres Vecuronium ...

You'd have to tase and kidnap a complete stranger from another part of the country in a car with license plates that you copied while disguised with fake ID and no phone. Then you'd have to dispose of the body in lye, flush and never tell a sole.

And you'd still be a giant faggot.

/thread

ok, get a boat take person you want to murder with you sail into international waters, declare yourself a state, the other person an enemy of the state. Execute them. Sail home.

>>915152
Lol reminds me of a guy last year who declared himself a foreign diplomat of his own property to try and get out of a traffic ticket. Didn't work.

Anyone care to find an obvious flaw in my hypothetical >>914690 ?

The previous one from anon is too obvious and highly flawed for not using chemical body disposal.

Sorry, OP.

Everyone wants to figure out a way of committing the perfect crime, but the second someone does, everyone else wants to figure out how he did it, and figuring out the second is a lot easier than figuring out the first.

>>914690

Soles are the bottom of one's shoes. Why would anyone be telling the bottom of shoes about murder?

Also, your method has the simple flaw that anyone could see you. Though Gacy Jr got away with doing what you are describing for many many years before one of his victims figured out who he was (he didn't kill all of his victims, sometimes he just raped them and then released them).

>>915243
>disguise

Yeah well, you know dyed hair and fake facial hair, maybe paint yourself black, etc.

>>915265

Facial recognition is one of the worst ways to track a person. Even your shoe size is worth more.

>>915270
And of course in addition to the license plates you'd want to file the VINs off and put on the wrong type of tires, maybe small truck tires on a sedan etc.

Also you'd want to wear the wrong shoe size and nair off all your real body hair in addition to covering your fingers in liquid bandage to prevent leaving any fingerprints, and of course get the person in a super secluded region

Fuckin geez I need to get out more.

>>915243
Thats the problem. you have to kill them

>>911169
50,000 years? Yeah we'll still be homo sapien. Too large of a population and a near complete lack of natural selection means we'll be the same for a long time.

the method isn't important, it's having a good alibi and a making sure they can't be traced back to you.

learn about cops, and learn about the methods real cops use to catch murders (not CSI bullshit) and it's not too hard. gang members get away with murder all the time, because there's usually no witnesses willing to talk to the cops.

>>915288
Wanna do me a favor..?

>>915288
Not really, if you think about something like this and are very methotical about it; it is not very hard. The main problem is most people don't and/or do it to people too close to them.

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>>915320

Yeah most murders are done in the heat of the moment or by uneducated (stupid) people.

Why do you think serial killers get away with it for so long? Because they think it through.

>>915308
That is at lest till the technological evolution starts to take hold and we are redesigning our selves.

>>915333
Most serial killers don't have IQs past the 120s as well, the unabomber would have gotten away with it if he hadn't asked that his faggot essay be published.

Watch Murder By Numbers.

Don't fuck up like they did.

>>915309

Perfect crime is much more desirable than gangster crime.

Anyone can do a perfect crime. That's why it's perfect. Gangsters get away with their crimes because the judge and jury don't know exactly which gangster did it. Problem? Everyone still KNOWS you did it, and if by unlikely chance you didn't, you have probably done something similar and probably will again, because you're in a gang.

The idea is to avoid the stigma. No one knows you are the criminal, not just the law.

bump for so/sci/opaths

bump

Find someone on /b/ to do it for you, so it won't be someone connected to the person in any way. There's gotta be, like, one person on /b/ if you look who could do it.

Not claiming to know the answers here but, to what extent would simply burning a corpse make it unidentifiable? That seems simpler than dissolving it in lye or chopping it the fuck up and burying it or letting it down your drain in tiny pieces.

>>915556
Leaves the teeth and bones.

Join the army. Go to some poor country. Follow orders.

>>915556
Dissolving it in lye is quite easy actually.

>>915593
It really is. I did it to a dog once

Letting body mulch down the drain is an incredibly bad idea. They can follow the drains straight to the crime scene.

>>910688

>see pic
>shrug, continue scrolling
>WAIT HOLY SHIT WAS THAT SIDESHOW BOB
>scroll up

I read this and I think, "if someone would actually do this, they would get away with it every time. This all seems so obvious, why have I never heard of anyone doing it?" and then I realize it must happen all the fucking time. Holy shit.

>>915638
Eh, most people don't kill people.

It's like, realistically, tons of people WANT to kill themselves, but they have this weakness that makes them not go through with it.

Evolutionary baggage I say!

>>915614
The lye will denature all the proteins leaving behind no complex organics that are the signature of a body. The body will look the same to the sewer as farm runoff.

You could also boil down the solution that is left over and dipose of the paste in the trash, as it again will not be a tell tale sign of a body anymore.

>>915638
>and then I realize it must happen all the fucking time.
Doubtful. Not everyone kills just for kicks

>>915656

I'm discussing people talking about cutting the body into mulch, not using lye.

>>915657
But enough people do, and only half of homocides are solved. There are also hundreds of unsolved missing person reports every year, and you have to bet a lot of them are "perfect crimes"

>>915638
Mhm. Pedophiles get away with alot of shit too.

Actually, my uncle worked in a prison. He told me about how a like 80 yr old guy turned him self in, after killing like 17 people since he was in his 20s.
You'd be surprised what people can get away with

>>915666
>666

>>915657
Happening all the time has nothing to do with the proportion of people who do it...

ITT: /sci/ is perfectly okay with serial killers, talking about best ways to do it

>>915703
Never killed somebody, but I feel that it's good to know how to correctly get away with it. Also, this type of discussion makes us feel like "bad boys" while simultaneously showing off our scientific knowledge and ingenuity. I doubt anyone here has ever actually committed murder or plans to, but this is wildly fun to discuss.

I imagine it will be relatively easy if you are prepared and killing a stranger. You don't even have to leave a "perfect" crime scene, just as little evidence as possible. One single piece ain't gonna get anyone.

>>915718
Says you. I actually got into a car accident when i was 17 and the mexican who side swiped me died.

I killed a mexican, and im proud.

>>915703

everyone should have a contingency plan for any situation. if all of the sudden you find yourself in a situation where you have to hide/dispose of a body you better have it thought out in advance or else you are going to fuck up and get caught for sure.

>>915721
Until your DNA printed for a security clearence 20 years later and wind up getting shot up with KCl.

>>915703
All of 4chan is fine with serial killers. A few years ago someone posted the GPS coords of a dead prostitute. 30min later it was on the areas local news site.

>>915740
>DNA
Are we fucking these corpses and then bleeding all over them?

If in killing someone, your DNA is all over them, and you don't do something about the body, many things have gone wrong in your life.

>>915745
holy shit sauce

Forensicsfag here, will answer questions related to this; will not outline a way to commit murder, though.

I, personally, wouldn't kill prostitutes. I think prostitutes are what we need more of, or at least women who are open to having sex. I would kill religious fundamentalists, i.e. Southern Baptists, Mormons, etc., and in general conservatives. I guess that means my killing would hypothetically be based on political ideology (helping the future by removing those who inhibit it from the gene pool) rather than direct personal reasons, therefore the concept of "motive" would hardly lead investigators to me. With that, though, I could just blow up a fucking church while it's full of church people, what do you think my chances are of getting away with that?

>>915772
Several appear to have already been outlined; your opinion of their flaws?

>>911014

Ebola (the only Ebola that's a big deal is the Zaire strain) will always kill its hosts too quickly to become a huge problem. Also, there are vaccines and therapeutic methods available now that are shown to be effective.

>>915772
Yay you are back again!

I talked over my nitrogen asphyxiation idea with a few guys on #/g/tv and finally came up with the consensus that if it were done in a 12psi chamber of pure nitrogen (not 15psi aka atmosphereic mind you), that it is undetectable as nitrogen asphyxiation, is this true?

Nitrogen gas has a partial pressure of 12psi at 1atm along with 3psi oxygen, remove the 3psi oxygen without adding anything and what signature of CoD is there?

>>910776
The government already made the last swine flu and vaccines to kill us all.
Just ask Alex Jones, it's declassified.

>>915810

It's declassified.

>>915810
Oh fuck that, my neighbor is a higherup on one of the swine flu teams and he is just some random asshole with a BA in art history who did med school after failing at life and now cant mow his lawn properly. He is not trying to kill us all.

>>915781

Forensicsfag here,

Okay, as far as the initial chloroform suggestion goes, I'd be very skeptical of whether or not that would work. Regardless of how much bleach you pour into a pool of blood, you're probably going to miss a spot. Think of all the crevices and cracks and porous surfaces in a bathroom. Also, bleach reacts with luminol. It's fairly obvious if a large amount of bleach has been used to clean a surface.

As for cutting up and dumping body parts, this is extremely rare; what you have to understand is that almost 80% of crimes are drug-related. I have never seen a murder victim who was (seemingly) killed for the hell of it. Literally never. If you do something unusual like this, you're drawing special attention to yourself.

>>915844
So what about 12psi nitrogen gas chamber? Just elminate the oxyen partial pressure from the atmosphere without adding any other gas.

Obviously this is a moot point if you dissolve the body, but if you just dump it how will you tell this apart from a natural cause such as arythmia?

>>915797

Well, there's a difference between what I do and what a coroner does. I don't examine bodies. I am confident that I could find evidence connecting you to the location of the crime/ the victim. Killing someone in such a strange fashion makes it much more likely that I can trace it to you. I'm not a detective, but what I'd figure is that they'd focus on people who have access to the highly specialized equipment you'd need to commit such a crime.

Okay, but how would you do this? I wouldn't be asked to figure out whether or not someone was killed via nitrogen asphyxiation; I'd be asked to find evidence which supported a case against the assailant. I don't come up with theories as to cause of death of random bodies, that's not my job at all.

>>915892
A MIG welder and some iron sheeting to make a vacuum chamber for -3psi? We're not talking super advanced stuff!

Not that hard to make, then you just need a vacuum pump and some nitrogen tanks, which are welding supply stuff.

>>915913
Ah, well do you know how someone would pinpoint a cause of death in the case of atmospheric partial pressure nitrogen asphyxiation?

Because there are no abnormal blood gases I really can't think of anything to distinguish it from arythmia.

>>915922
And yet another option would be to simply take the victim 6,000ft above sea level and then just put a nitrogen mask on them. The pressure is 12psi, and when the body is returned to sea level the partial pressure of nitrogen in their blood would be the same as if the oxygen had just disappeared from sea level.

>>915354


This seriously

>>910776

HAI JUST SAYING,, but the science behind evolution is a lie, all species are in stasis, thusly, no super virus with the ability to spread like tuberculosis, and the KILLING POWAH of ebola could ever be created. Sorry Illuminatifag. eat a dick.

>>910877

Also the reason why you think emotional people are weak is because you're not emotional. You do not understand that emotions bind us all in a way you could NEVAR comprehend. YOu have no love, you are not even really anon because you do not know the emotional bond that makes us /sci/ons or /b/rothers. you're just a useless nigger... with a mean attitude. Why are you so mean?

>>915922

Right, it's not scientifically advanced, but as far as murder weapons go, it's very unconventional. Think about it like this, the most basic idea in forensics is called the Locard exchange principle. This states that every action leaves a trace of itself. The more actions, the more traces, the more easy it is to find a trace of an action.

Consider what you're suggesting: the construction of a chamber specifically designed to function as a murder scene. What are you going to do with this chamber afterwards? Where will you get the nitrogen? Where will you get the tools necessary to construct the chamber? Where will you build the chamber itself? It doesn't matter if a coroner can find evidence of cause of death if it's clear you killed the decedent.

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>>915981
Well if you were to do that and not go the route of just taking the person 6000ft above sea level and using a nitrogen mask, it is a bit harder.

The nitrogen cylinders as I said are a common welding supply.

The chamber I suppose would be built in a spare room, or even inside a car, and cut down with a plasma cutter after use and sold for scrap/given away (it would just be scrap metal, few sheets and some angle irons are not out of the ordinary)

All the tools needed are common metalworking tools.

well, you have to be very thoroug with the clean up. then, find yourself a nice secluded lake/river/beach. proceed to cut open the cadaver's abdomen, removing the entrails, put them in a garbage bag, you'll need to dispose of them later. then, place wet concrete in the empty cavity. this is the same as tying rocks to the persons legs, only their ankles won't decay, and the body won't float to the surface. then, if you're really paranoid, duct tape the incision closed, drop the body into the body of water, it will sink. the rest is up to you. fire, bleach, etc etc.

>>916018
so tl;dr any welder has the capacity to do this without raising suspicion from materials

>>915943

Okay, what you seem to be missing is that method isn't so important. You can come up with any number of ways to make a death appear to have been natural. That's not terribly hard, honestly. The problem is masking your involvement. You will leave a trace of your involvement; this is unavoidable. It's not just taken for granted that someone died. Unless cause of death is excruciatingly obvious (shotgun blast to the head, car accident, witnesses, etc.) it will be examined. Strange shit tends to turn up when someone is killed.

>>910737
lol internet

>>910688
Don't get caught?

>>916038
Yeah that is probably true, but because this is a hypothetical it doesn't matter much that there are other flaws, what I'm wondering is if someone is found dead of atmospheric partial pressure nitrogen asphyxiation, how the heck do you figure out what happened?

Let's say the perp gets caught, still how do you figure out the CoD?

Getting the CoD is mostly what I'm interested in.

>>916025

Any welder could build this and commit the crime; forensics by nature isn't concerned with preventing crimes. You have to consider the biggest point: what are you going to do with the body?

Use a really big bomb and wait for terrorists to take credit for it.

>>916061
The idea with atmospheric partial pressure nitrogen asphyxiation is that the death would not appear to be a homicide, you could just hand the body over to the cops (again assuming there is not other evidence, which IRL there would be, but not in a hypotetical) and it would be impossible to tell what happened.

I am wondering it this is true or not. Let's say you find someone dead in their bed with nothing disturbed, how are you going to figure out what killed them if it was atmospheric partial pressure nitrogen asphyxiation?

>>916060

Honestly, that's something a coroner would need to answer. The context in which the body is found provides just as much insight to cause of death as an autopsy does.

The problem with this is that people don't die of asphyxiation without a catalyst. Something clearly caused it; if there's not an easily identifiable cause, believe me, greater investigation will occur.

>>916086

Oh, I see what you're getting at now. Asphyxiation, regardless of whether or not it's caused by nitrogen, will lead to a buildup of CO2. This isn't too hard to find.

>>916135

Actually, I am wrong. Nitrogen inhalation wouldn't do that. It'd just displace the O2. I suppose the only clues would be body position and perhaps something a coroner would notice that I wouldn't know about.

What are the chances of you getting caught if you drive across the country to a different state, use only cash for everything, go into a random persons house while they are asleep, shoot them in the head with a 9mm, then just get the fuck out?

>>916158
Yeah that is what I figured! The CO2 is exhaled right along with the oxygen!

So what if the body were found in bed in a perfectly undisturbed house with no reports of odd activity?

Any coronerfags or serious biomed geeks on here?

also thanks a ton for answering, forensicsfag!

My first job was mowing lawns at a cemetery. My best idea was to kill someone when you knew there was going to be a funeral the following day. Dig out the hole an extra 3 feet, drop the body in, fill back up to a 6ft hole. Profit.

oh wait i just realized that entering the house would leave DNA everywhere

what if you just shot the fucker while he was walking down the street while wearing a wig with a hat and a fake beard and a strap on that makes you look really fat

then run to a hiding place, change your clothes, take off the disguise, stuff it all in a bag, then casually walk to your car

What if you just sliced them with a Great Sword from coldsteel?

Threw away all he clothes and shoes used. And got rid of the sword.

Just talked to someone who really knew their shit, indeed atmospheric partial pressure nitrogen asphyxia leaves no special signatues for forensics.

He said 99 out of 100 times it will ruled a cardiac arrest assuming there are not other circumstances that make foul play apparent.

And indeed testing nitrogen levels in the blood is not standard, and even in doing so the atmospheric partial pressure part would meant here were no abnormal readings.

tl;dr 12psi nitrogen asphyxa: watch the fuck out

>>915748

>>916864
Smells fake

Convince me?

>>916896
Google the news article + name of the girl.

There you go.