I don't believe you are thunderfoot.

meh
the truth is that guy is too fucking crazy even for evangelic standards
check out the muslim comic for shit and giggles

saged

If this thread does goes onto page 1-15, then none of you are true /sci/ducks.

OK, none of you are true /sci/ducks.

Where to begin? The argument is mostly, 'If you believe in evolution, you'll become an immoral person, and oh yeah it'll make you an atheist and you'll go to hell.'

That's more in the realm of philosophy than science. The 'best' counterargument from science would probably be a peer-reviewed psychological study comparing the moral views of people who believe in evolution versus those who don't.

I'm on Tyler's side.

All praise the religion of evolution!

Why should I need to debunk that? I am god.

>>509734
God or a god? Capitalize proper names.

>>509743
Maybe he meant 'I am a god'.

assumption that science knows everything. fail.

I disagree with any religion that says Man cannot ascend to godhood. There is no reason to exist otherwise.

this is why I would worship hinduism.

This looks like a Jack Chick tract. There's plenty more from where that came from. And it's pretty hilarious.

1. Deliberate distortion of facts (lying -- isn't it funny?). Check.
2. Comparing atheism to nazism. Check.
3. Only argument is based on fright (believe or burn in hell!). Check.

There is no need for debunking in this hate-spewing crap.

Jack Chick is actually on the side of /sci/ence. He writes the most ignorant shit possible, terrible enough to turn most right thinking people away from fundamentalist Christianity. The only ones that are left after reading shit like this are the ones with no imagination, education or future. And they're all obnoxiously loudmouthed about it, which will make them perfect targets for the UAV's.

Chick was a troll when trolling meant pulling one over on your publisher, you church, and your society. Truly, he is a god among men.

Ok, retard. I can debunk it in 2 words:

Strawman argument

>>510447
I agree that Chick does a great job driving sane people away from fundamentalist Christianity. But he is not a troll, he is a paranoid nutcase.

First of all, describe to them that if creationism is a science (and it is, technically),
then it cannot by definition be an extention of their religion and is subject to the same scientific scrutiny as any other scientific claim.

Furthemore explain that the idea of evolution and it's cousin abiotic genesis imply nothing of a grand scheme or prime mover.
By nothing, I mean they do not even make the attempt.

Finally, make one small suggestion, ask your priest what he thinks.
I know this sounds counter-intuitive but generally, the person that is the best to equipped to tell somone they are "doin it wrong" is in fact a priest.

>>510453

Nah, I think you just got trolled.

debunkers.. ftl

>>509577

How could you possibly spend this much time making a comic when in 1/10 that time you could learn that the very basis of your argument is incorrect?

DURRHURRR EVOLUTION = STRONGER FASTER SMARTER

HUUUURRRPPP WE IS MONKEYS WHO BECAME HOOMANS

>>510456
Nope, you have been on /b/ too long.

>>509670

And you are not the real thunderf00t!

>>509577
I swear Jack Chick is trying to troll EVERYONE. Religious, anti-religious, and agnostic alike. He doesn't even support a single religious viewpoint.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhEUWobdXqY&feature=related

Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

>>510473
You are pretty stupid. Maybe you haven't read his website.

I like the part when he said he was superior because of blonde hair and blue eyes. It was verryyyy subtle.

There is no logical reason to follow a religion. Why is christianity right, but islam, hinduism, judaism, budhism, even other branches of christianity, wrong?

There is no logical reason to believe in a creator. The universe needed creating? Then by the same logic the creator needed creating too. The creator is eternal? Then why can the univrse not be eternal? Having a creator is just pushing problems of the universe onto a higher being and not solving the problems at all.

The Earth is so perfect for life, it must have been created for us? No. We wouldn't exist on a none ideal planet, life will only arise on ideal planets, so every life bearing planet will appear "perfect" for it's inhabitants. Organisms that breath sulphates will not find our planet very good at all.

Morality? We make our own morality. If we got our morality from the bible we would still be stoning homosexuals, strongly oppressing women, killing people from dishonoring parents, etc. We chose to ignore the bits of the bible we don't like and only take the bits that fit with the current morality, then claim that all morality comes from the bible.

The bible may have helped introduce morality in very immoral times, but we are culturally advanced enough to not need it. It's frankly shocking to think people are claiming anyone is only moral because they're scared of a negative after life. To say that is to basically call humanity entirely selfish. They're almost claiming without a concept of hell they would do whatever they want and their own morality only stems from the fact they're told not to.

A religion is just an old story that filled the gaps, but became so embedded in culture that people couldn't let it go, even when it was no longer needed.

>>510536
>There is no logical reason to follow a science. Why is natural selection right but lamarkianism wrong?

They believe they have proof that theirs is right and the other is wrong. that is all.

>>510546

I don't "believe" in science.

I assess the evidence and draw conclusions. I know it's likely just a best fit model, but science is the best tool we have. I won't hang to an old theory because it is familiar.

The theory of evolution is almost certainly correct. But the method is not as certain. I am open to new theories if one is proven wrong. I will not chose natural selection then continue with it even if strong counter evidence arises. I chose natural selection for now as it seems most likely.

>>510536
Implying faith is somehow a function of logic, it's not.
Though I may agree with you, it is still an opinion.
It would be better to prefix everything you just posed with "For me:", but that would be ridiculous... get it?

It is not the business of science to explain to religious people why their belief system is wrong.

Also: The order of those panels is somehow weird.

Even if I had God's own word that the beliefs of these Christians were true, I wouldn't convert and fall in line behind this tyrant who punishes people to Hell for not "recognizing" him as their master.

I might actively rebel against it then.

Neil deGrasse Tyson and Richard Dawkins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYBFqse7tiU
I like this...

Jesus loves us all!
if you masturbate he will kill your parents.

>>510569

Given implicit proof of chistianity would make me believe it.

It would sadden me greatly though that all the wonder of the cosmos is simply the makings of an omnipotent being. Rather than a beautiful series of patterns created by 4 forces and probability, it's simply some shit a sky wizard did.

>>510569
>these Christians
Which Christians were you refering to?
There is 30,000 to choose from world wide. ;)

>>510584

Any ones that relate to the ideas brought up in the original post.

>>510569
Maybe actively rebelling against an omnipotent being might not be that good an idea;

>>510587
Fair enough, that would be evangelicals and fundamentalist. And exclude... maybe 80 percent.
You do realize that cartoon was likely drawn by a baptist fucktard?

>>510569
Enjoy recieving a special punishment

>>510601
Enjoy wasting your life and being a retard.

>>510601
The... special hell.

>>509577
Yeah and Im motherfuckin venomfangx. Go suck a dick.

>>512123
You were B& permanently from youtube and you swore to your parents and youtube that you would never do any religious shit again.

>>512146
Indeed.

Evolution doesn't have any implications on morality. The evolution of humans has allowed us the ability to coordinate on equilibria involving rule of law, conscience, etc, to a much more advanced degree than any other species.

>>512155
So time to GTFO!