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    94 KB You will never be this smart Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)18:45 No.4151136  
    What kind of math do these kids study anyways?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTDcYi_uG08&feature=related
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)18:46 No.4151141
    The math where we beat the fuck out of that one smug kid.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)18:52 No.4151163
    STOP POSTING THIS YOU HUMONGOUS FAGGOT(S)

    IF YOU LOVE THEM SO MUCH

    WHY DON'T YOU MARRY THEM

    AND SUCK THEIR COCKS
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)18:54 No.4151183
    >>4151163
    butthurt IMO reject detected
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)18:55 No.4151197
    Nature or nurture, /sci/?

    What parenting strategies were used in these kids compared to others?
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)19:01 No.4151221
    >>4151206
    >hurr so edgy I'm a racist durr
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)19:02 No.4151224
    that maths has got so many letters in it, it could be classed as english
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)19:04 No.4151230
    >>4151206

    true that.

    But we have to even it out with other traits. Make sure they aren't overtaken by hordes of idiots who have 8 children because they couldn't conceive beforehand how unprepared they were to have kids.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)19:09 No.4151249
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    I know such people, lots of them.
    In my advanced homological algebra course there are just under 20 participants, 3 of which were IMO contestants at some point. I also attend a lecture on arithmetic hyperbolic 3 manifolds with about 10 other students, 2 of which got gold medals at least at a national level.
    Am I one of them? No. But I work hard and I got good enough to get into grad school and I'll almost certainly earn a PhD under one of the leading researchers in his field.
    So quit whining you pathetic little pussy and get off your ass, nobody likes an underachieving beta fuck like you. You people sicken me. So what, you don't have the genes of a god, that's no excuse for wasting your time and not doing something valuable for the scientific community.
    /rant
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)19:09 No.4151250
    http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90776/90882/7134204.html

    lolWUT
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)19:11 No.4151266
    >>4151250
    what a fucking asshole faggot fuck face. i'm sorry - but how often does MIT give out scholarships? think never.
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    >>4151250
    fucking really?
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)19:16 No.4151288
    why do all of them are so weird?
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)19:16 No.4151289
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    >>4151250
    is this shit for reals
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)19:17 No.4151291
    >>4151250
    is he trying to pull a perelman or something? jesus, how can you have the capacity to do math alone if you lack experience and don't have access to the latest ideas?

    he must really be giving up math...
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    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)19:19 No.4151302
    >>4151266
    Um, MIT is fully need based for both international and domestic students. So if you're poor then you get a free ride automatically...
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)19:20 No.4151306
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    >>4151266
    wat
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)19:22 No.4151314
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    >>4151250
    He was weak
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)19:30 No.4151341
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtYfvfhgAa0&feature=related

    >7:51

    oh god how can he get such a cute GF?

    what is going on?
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)19:36 No.4151351
    >>4151341
    >daniel is chinaboo
    >cong is reverse chinaboo

    yeah, what IS going on?
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)19:41 No.4151367
    dat autism
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)19:46 No.4151387
    >>4151351
    you don't mess with a man's mustache
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)19:48 No.4151395
    >>4151387
    Anyone else hear his Hitleresque comments at the beginning of the video?
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)19:50 No.4151401
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    >>4151341
    >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtYfvfhgAa0&feature=related
    >those teeth
    >touching heads while eating
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)19:52 No.4151406
    this reminds me of all the AP kids at my school until they went to college and all their AP didn't amount to anything
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)19:52 No.4151407
    >>4151341
    >silver medal in IMO
    >cute gf starting
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)19:52 No.4151410
    >>4151406
    These are the kids who make your AP kids amount to nothing
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)19:52 No.4151411
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    asperger´s GF

    pic related
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)19:53 No.4151415
    >>4151341
    12:04

    >Dawkins

    i am convinced that they are no different than /sci/
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)20:00 No.4151442
    >>4151411

    Is this a generic chinese girl?
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)20:01 No.4151447
    I wonder which one EK would fuck. I bet its jonathan.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)20:03 No.4151456
    >>4151447
    Dude, keep your voice down, she's back!
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)20:05 No.4151465
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    >implying EK isn't a lesbian
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)20:07 No.4151474
    >>4151447
    thanks for jinxing it, faggot. he's on now.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)20:08 No.4151483
    sci cannot compare to an IMO genius so they bicker and complain autists to help their little insecure genius wannabe egos
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)20:09 No.4151485
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    Damn that kid Jos is such a cunt. The other kids don't go around being sarcastic and trying to overly complicate his speech to seem more intellingent than he really is. Like on the 3rd video, he goes to the final 8 and one guy in the film crew tells him that's fantastic news and he replies " I suppose statistically yes." What a cunt.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)20:12 No.4151497
    >>4151489

    Dude, autism.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)20:26 No.4151554
    Ha, I actually once trained a group of IMO contestants! Most of them usually have a lot of trouble at university because they think mathematics is puzzle solving i.e. what the IMO is. And indeed there's quite a few of them who always act like pricks, and I'm certain it has nothing to do with autism but rather with something like a mild Dunning-Kruger effect and general cuntness.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)20:27 No.4151557
    >>4151531
    I think it's the other way around. And really I'm not being racist saying that, I think that part of the asian culture is really very compatible with a socially inept but academically impressive person.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)20:28 No.4151563
    >they think mathematics is puzzle solving
    apparently I made it through my second year of grad school and kept missing the memo, because I'm pretty sure that's basically what it boils down to
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)20:33 No.4151588
    discrete math; that is combinatorics, number theory, graph theory, etc.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)20:34 No.4151596
    >>4151588

    what do you mean?
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)20:36 No.4151604
    >>4151563
    Maybe I didn't make myself clear enough. When I said puzzle solving I was referring to the fact that the things they have to solve at the IMO are constructed puzzles with often very explicit hints as to the most elegant solution. Real mathematics involves much more pattern recognition and a kind of testing of efficiency (e.g. when "inventing" new definitions) that I never felt was really present in the IMO exercises and additionally real problems usually offer a plethora of possible solutions none of which can be ruled out for a long time usually. Put differently the kind of math done at the IMO is much more comparable to high school math (I'm talking Europe here) than to university level mathematics. Put differently one last time I just feel that the amount of abstraction required in real day to day mathematical work is unimaginably larger than what is required for the IMO stuff.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)20:37 No.4151609
    smart kids, but some of them need to learn some humility.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)20:37 No.4151614
    >>4151596
    I think that's an answer (the only answer so far..) to the OP's question
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)20:38 No.4151617
    Where the fuck is the mathematics in this video?

    It would be really great if they showed these prodigies actually doing some mathematics... This movie just seems to reinforce the stereotype that mathematicians are all antisocial weirdos...
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)20:39 No.4151621
    Where do I get myself a poor, cute chinese girl?
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)20:56 No.4151673
    >>4151617
    here's a video with actual math in it:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tpDqliD6Ss
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)21:06 No.4151723
    >>4151673
    Thankyou. Zeb is a jedi.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)21:07 No.4151734
    >>4151723
    Yeah he's cool
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)21:14 No.4151787
    >>4151673
    >americans
    >good at math

    I loled
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)21:16 No.4151797
    >>4151787
    well the US IMO team is one of the best in the world (top 3 or 5 usually)

    also, i find it interesting that that guy's last name is Abel
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)21:25 No.4151850
    >>4151673
    Anyone else think that this documentary sheds a much better light on IMO participants?

    The UK one was pretty shitty because it seemed like it was pushing some sort of "DERP HERP, AUTISTIC PEOPLE ARE MATHEMATICIANS" agenda and just showed the participants in their most awkward habits. If they just allowed them to talk comfortably and not focus on their awkwardness (and backstory, I mean those kids wouldn't just start talking about their bad childhoods and isolation unless the interviewer pressed them), they could show them at ease with explaining mathematics.

    The worst part about the first documentary was that it had almost no mathematics in it, which those kids loved and indulged in. So terrible.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)21:26 No.4151864
    IMO= genius.
    Something most of the wannabe geniuses on /sci strive for
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)21:29 No.4151886
    >>4151850
    I kinda agreed but I don't think the first documentary was trying to be anything other HURR ASPERGERS TEND TO BE SMART DURR.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)21:43 No.4151968
    I like how the most socially inept autistic young people in these videos often answer that what they want to do, later, is unify the fundamental forces or stuff like that. They don't understand that, while they are extremely good at what they are doing, they are so bad at communicating that they will not be able to do something that is required to produce amazing academic results: talk with many other great guys from your domain. Because that, and not just reading their papers and putting equations together by yourself, is going to give you insight and allow you to avoid traps, to realize that you could have done something better here and there, etc.

    They think that they were very clever and that the teaching system wasn't suited for them, but that they would be able to shine in the academic system. That's not true. In the academic system, it's almost impossible to shine alone. Even people like Perelman, who are quite seclusive, still shared a lot (and I mean, Perelman refused the Fields medal and the Millennium prize partially because he didn't think that he should be the only one credited). Those kids will NOT achieve anything if they don't learn how to enjoy communication with other scientists. That involves the occasional talk about the weather or the quality of the food, and if you avoid these moments or just go plain asocial and yell "You're talking about useless stuff, you're an inferior being, let me focus on maths", they won't like you, and they won't talk about science with you.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)21:48 No.4151991
    >>4151797
    Can't watch the video right now, but is it Zach Abel? He's a cool dude.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)21:51 No.4152006
    >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtYfvfhgAa0&feature=related

    >the first minute

    HOLY SHIT
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)21:51 No.4152008
    Ask a USAMOfag who got just under the MCSP cut-off anything.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)21:54 No.4152017
    >>4152006
    also

    @ 4:15
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)21:54 No.4152019
    ITT: Retarded ass-pies getting upset at genius ass-pies
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)22:06 No.4152050
    4/6: "This one I don't like so much. It's a tactile difference. Feels a bit like sandpaper."
    "Is touch something important to you?"
    "Well, given that I've got to hold them at some point, yes."

    Fuckin' documentarians, talking to these guys like they aren't real people, like they're some sort of monkeys. What, you don't fucking choose things based on touch? Billions of cushy-grip pens say otherwise. We're not that different from you, only just really good at something.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)22:08 No.4152053
    >>4152017
    Dumbass.

    Truly smart people know sulfuric acid isn't the best choice for oxidizing humans.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)22:12 No.4152061
    >>4152017
    And lulz at 4:15. He's just ignorant of the usefulness of those "irrationally derived" emotions.

    They love taking weird quirks of people and compiling them into these clips, then laughing or cringing or what have you. It's a little sick. This isn't insight into the minds of smarter people, this is oblique to that, completely tangent to what's actually interesting about these people.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)22:16 No.4152070
    At a guy saying he wants to marry his girlfriend: "Why do you think you'll be happier [for the rest of your life, having married her]?"
    Him: -tries to explain something of the value found in a partner-

    That's the fucking point of sharing a life with someone, you cunt. Jesus Christ.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)22:17 No.4152076
    >>4152067
    How do you do anything with only two registers? How do you load instructions?
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)22:21 No.4152091
    >>4152008
    Fuck, I meant MOSP. MCSP is a different thing.

    Then again, if you know what it is, please tell me!
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)22:28 No.4152109
    "I'm not going to listen to anyone who hasn't shown that they're better at math than me"

    lol'd so hard
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)22:36 No.4152122
    That would mean he wouldn't talk to about 99.99% to the world population
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)22:41 No.4152133
    >>4151968
    Perelman had the credit stolen by Yau. That's why he left the mathematical community and turned down the millennium prize and fields medal.

    http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/08/28/060828fa_fact2?currentPage=all

    That said, aspies may not be well suited to working in a mathematical academic environment.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)22:47 No.4152141
    goddamn that one dude Jos is so pompous, so pompous he believes he is modest
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)22:57 No.4152163
    1) sif these kids are that smart
    2) smarts mean nothing without finesse
    3) sif they are getting laid
    4) sif I couldnt beat them up

    bleep bloop i like math
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)23:03 No.4152176
    >mfw i'm 17 and just did the IMO
    >mfw i got a silver medal
    >mfw i live in Australia
    >mfw you're all dumbfucks who don't know how to trig
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)23:03 No.4152177
    >>4152133
    Finally, a decent explanation of what occurred.

    I've been looking for this, thanks.
    >> FUCK BITCHES GET MONEY !iILHznJ.V6 12/16/11(Fri)23:09 No.4152190
    I'm really, really happy for Daniel.

    That guy came from the depths of hopelessness as far as the IMO is concerned, and was able to acquire a silver medal after all. I also loved the ending.

    Damn, man. Videos like these really make you realize that those childhood dreams your parents tell you can come true if you just work unfathomably hard and try your absolute best. Sigh.

    I felt bad as hell for Zhiyu Liu, though. When he said that you miss out on other facets of life just to compete in the IMO, he looked a bit ... depressed. Melancholy; completely saddened. Damn.

    Superb documentary.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)23:09 No.4152191
    >>4152176
    >mfw i'm not asian aswell
    >mfw i was the only Australian dude there who wasn't asian
    >Whole of American team was asian
    >Most of English team was
    >Beat all the other 5 people on the Australian team
    >mfw i'm the best at maths at my age in Australia
    >mfw all Universities are just begging to give me a scholarship
    >mfw life is so easy
    >It is just that easy
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)23:20 No.4152213
    >>4152191
    hey, i never entered IMO and i'm entering 200k starting on wall street

    >yfw soulless applied math majors who only care about money will be just as happy as you are when you are in your mid 20s
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)23:27 No.4152228
    i jelly

    their mathematical capabilities are insane. i assume they basically taught themselves math from K-12 which would quite obviously enable them to be at a much higher level than a regular university level student, but the fact they can solve those questions and understand the concepts is insane.

    i looked at few of the BMO's (such as the one they mention taking specifically during the shooting) and can't imagine even getting an 8/40 on that test which seemed to be the minimum accepted mark to get on the math olympiad team. I wouldn't even know where to start. even the insanely smart Jos dude only got 16/40.

    Fuck, I can't imagine someone getting 30+/40 on that
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)23:38 No.4152246
    I'm glad there was someone like Daniel among them that I could like, if they were all like Jos, I'd have an inescapable of hating someone smarter than you.
    Though I did empathize with Jos a little. Must feel bad.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)23:42 No.4152251
    would have been much more interesting if they did the documentary on the american or chinese team.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)23:43 No.4152254
    >>4152176
    >>4152176
    >>4152191
    Hello Declan Gorey of Sydney Boys High School.

    >part of Australian IMO team
    >Not getting a state rank in your HSC
    >Beaten by Tim Large
    >mfw
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    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)23:50 No.4152263
    I feel like that kid isn't so smart. He thinks you can talk about the complex number 1. 1 is always a real number on its own faggot. You'd have to add an imaginary part for it to be complex, jesus christ. And CANTOR'S FUCKING THEOREM? Cantor doesn't know what he's talking about, ZFC set theory solves all of that silliness by being controversial as hell but it still solves it. That being said I'm 21 so he'll probably realize all this by then.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)23:53 No.4152267
    >>4152263
    judging from your first few sentences you have a long way to go
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)23:53 No.4152269
    >>4152246

    This.

    Daniel seems like a really nice dude. To be quite frank he doesn't seem "autistic" in the sense of the others - he just seems incredibly shy, and I was once at a very very similar stage as him but slowly changed into being more open. If I knew him IRL I would without a doubt be a bro to him and try to help him improve his social skills and to open up. Not as a pity case, but I honestly think the dude would be cool as hell if he was a little less shy.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)23:54 No.4152271
    >>4152191

    Yet here you are, on 4chan.

    >Declan Gorey

    Greetings faggot.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/11(Fri)23:58 No.4152282
    One thing this documentary shows is how fickle exams are as a measure of ability.
    Saul who was the cream of the crop ended up scoring worst on the team.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)00:03 No.4152287
    >>4152282

    The Chinese guy scored the worst, actually. He didn't even receive a medal.

    Saul wasn't considered the cream of the crop; he was considered, more or less, a guaranteed contestant. Jonathan was considered the 'silent' creme de la creme. Even Jos acknowledged that Jonathan was pretty much one to look out for, and I believe he even said that he's a guaranteed starter/fourth place guy.

    The Indian guy, Li and Daniel were all considered a bunch of maybes/ifs. I'm saddened by how they pretty much discuss the scores, though, in front of the other students. That shit was depressing to watch when Jessica's score was announced in front of the entire group and the professor was like, ''Moving on ...'' That made me feel absolutely depressed. She clapped and was happy, didn't have any expectations of going, but damn ... You could see the embarrassment and humiliation she felt. Everyone scored double digits practically(or at least 8 pts), but she didn't.

    Fucking hell.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)00:04 No.4152292
    >>4152287
    I'm kind of glad I'm a NEET now, I loved maths, but Ican't stand competition, makes me hate myself.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)01:30 No.4152547
    Minimun iq of 160 required for IMO. Not even your average harvard math grad can manage a bronze
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    fucking hell man.

    I feel so empty, knowing that I will never, ever, ever come close to the level of thought these people ascertain.
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    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)01:39 No.4152573
    I rather be reasonably clever and socially apt than be autistic. Just Sayan.

    inb4 some autistic kid makes assumptions about my social skills.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)01:41 No.4152576
    >>4152573

    now im going to insult the size of your cock.

    pencil dick.
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    >>4152573
    >id rather have friends than the ability to understand the entire universe

    why are you even here?
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)01:43 No.4152579
    >>4152577
    protip: They're not mutually exclusive.
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    true but thats completely irrelevant to what i was saying.

    Im talking about priorities.
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    >>4152558
    >>4152569
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)01:46 No.4152586
    >>4152581
    Well in that case I rather get laid. Friends or no friends. Understanding or no understanding. Luckily it's not that black and white though.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)01:48 No.4152588
    >actually being jealous of aspies

    these kids live shit lives. All they got is their one talent; do you think knowing some math brings them happiness? They will get taken advantage of their whole lives and will never have a meaningful relationship

    At least you people have the potential for normal human interaction (although most of you fail to take advantage of it, putting you on the same level as aspies except massively less intelligent)
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)01:49 No.4152591
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    >mfw you didnt watch the documentary and have no idea what youre talking about
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)01:51 No.4152593
    >>4152591

    No, I haven't seen the documentary. But how is my point any different? Don't need some shitty special on aspies to know aspies.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)01:51 No.4152594
    You know what I hate most about these half-autistic kids? Those that sound rather normal but say weird shit? Those that analyze themselves and everything around them, but realize that they're weird? It's that their thoughts are not that fucking bright! They may be good at math, but then they go on and think that they have some deeper understanding of reality and society as a whole, but they just don't! Any numbnut can come to the same conclusions as they do, only that we all have the sensibility to keep it to ourselves!
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)01:51 No.4152595
    I want to suck jonathans cock while he explains to me all those crazy math problems and theorems.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)01:58 No.4152606
    They may be good at math but they sound pretty stupid TBH
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)02:06 No.4152618
    Can someone tell me why anyone would be jelous of these kids? Yes they are good at maths, so what though? The rest of us can be good enough through hard work. Can anyone see any of these kids being really successful? By that I mean rich, powerful and respected? How about even one of these things?

    That being said I would like to be that good at math, but not enough to be one of those kids.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)02:13 No.4152632
    >>4152618

    It's the fact that they are good that consoles them. It's pretty much the aim of anyone going into the Sciences or Mathematics.

    There's a French saying: l'art pour l'art.

    In other words, 'art for the sake of art.' Art for art's sake. These individuals in this documentary don't do mathematics to become successful, rich, powerful, etc.; they do it for the sake of art itself, period.

    Daniel, for example, is simplistic insofar as his life is concerned. I mean, fuck; he's happy marrying some poor ass Chinese girl from a slum village, winning one olympiad and relaxing for the rest of his life. Currently, he's a software engineer and has left professional/competitive mathematics entirely. He earned his BA in Math at Cambridge, but really hasn't done anything groundbreaking since. The guy hasn't even entered Graduate school.

    Seriously, he does not give a fuck about anything.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)02:19 No.4152646
    >>4152618
    >>4152632
    These people are nothing new upon this world, so why haven't we seen more successull people of this kind before if they're so brilliant? It's been a long while since we essentially stoned these people, so I'm not buying that explanation. They're great at math, but I simply don't think that makes them any better at coming up with new ground breaking shit. If I may speculate even more, I'd even say they may be worse off than the rest of us when it comes to this. And I base that on the fact that they have pretty fucked up views of the world. Nah, autistic people are simply insane at learning. That doesn't make them better at inventing.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)02:25 No.4152659
    >>4151367
    The correct spelling would be "That autism".
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)02:34 No.4152673
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lTDcYi_uG08#t=844s

    Heres the perfect example. Yes Jos, it is victimization, what are you going to do about it? Rationalize being a victim? Not so smart after all.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)05:15 No.4152920
    >>4152659
    lul

    Also, BMO is pussy shit.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)05:17 No.4152922
    people like this come up with groundbreaking shit all the time, they just don't hype because it's a regular day to them
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)05:31 No.4152950
    Follow-up on BMO is pussy shit: It is 5:00 in the fucking morning, I fell asleep four hours ago, I plan to sleep for another five or so, I had to get up and make my girlfriend coffee, and I don't have any paper or pencil in front of me, and yet I was able to completely solve, with proof, two of the problems on the last BMO, conjecture the third, with path to a proof, and snore loudly at a fourth, inside 20 minutes.

    Come on, and they give you 3.5 hours? I could have done this shit when I was high-school age. I even knew about power of a point shit.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)05:48 No.4152976
    >>4152558
    Brotip: Don't try to use "ascertain" again until you figure out what it means.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)05:51 No.4152981
    >>4152922
    >> mfw "ground breaking work" = methods of finding ______ of _____ in ______ equation research papers
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)05:54 No.4152986
    I cba to do any more BMO11 problems; I have a cat in my lap. You guys, these are fun problems.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)05:55 No.4152989
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    >mfw this thread

    Thanks, /sci/.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)05:55 No.4152990
    >>4152981
    Sometimes you're busy with grant applications, and that's all you have time to write up.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)06:14 No.4153023
    >this thread
    >usual fight between cocky assholes who frequent /sci/ and /sci/entists who couldn't care less about the person doing the subject, as long as the material's interesting

    Seriously guise, what the fuck? Half of the posts in this thread are about how stupid people with autism are and how socially fucked autistic people are. Did you even watch part 1 of the documentary?
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)06:23 No.4153039
    >>4153023
    I guess typical threads include a few posts like "these interviewers are being demeaning; these students are just slightly awkward bros, but the interviewers treat them like caged monkeys"
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)06:47 No.4153084
    Does anybody have a gross estimate of the percentile of IMO contestants that have asperger syndrome/autism? By the looks of the video, the vast majority seemed to have at least one of those conditions.

    Does anybody have an example of somebody who has done well in the IMO in recent years who does not have asperger syndrome or autism?
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)06:51 No.4153089
    Autism autism autism autism. Autism? Autism autism. Autism autism autism autism. Autism.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)06:52 No.4153090
    >It's called beautiful young minds

    These kids minds are far from beautiful. Every one of them has some sort of social disorder, and is probably borderline retarded in all all areas outside maths and science.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)07:24 No.4153130
    >>4153084
    Bumping for answers, especially to the second paragraph.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)07:31 No.4153139
    loved that documentary!

    my favourite was the Dan Aykroyd Ghostbusters lookalike, spewing Dawkins bullshit, and acting all aspie. that scene where they're playing with snowballs, and he's like "what's the purpose of fun anyway" - priceless. so adorable..

    also superjelly about that asian waifu.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)07:36 No.4153144
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    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)07:42 No.4153158
    Professor. Simon Baron Cohen is sacha-baron cohens cousin
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)07:47 No.4153168
    "why there aren't many women in maths, professor?"

    "i would rather not answer that question"

    XD
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)07:52 No.4153182
    Holy fuck, I actually know clarrisa, we're in the same college at cambridge
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)08:17 No.4153238
    The guy with the chinese gf
    >dem british teeth
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)08:46 No.4153275
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    his GF looked super cute in the video

    what happened?
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)08:47 No.4153278
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    heres the other pic
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)08:53 No.4153284
    >part 2
    Holy crap Cong is a genocidal psycho!
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)09:08 No.4153304
    I WANT AN ASIEN WAIFU TOO

    WHERE DO I GET ONE?
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)09:11 No.4153307
    >>4153304

    and the guy doesn't even know how to tie his own shoes, or make some tea.

    you have no excuses.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)09:13 No.4153311
    >>4153307

    that faggot is exploiting her poverty
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)09:18 No.4153327
    >>4153311

    oh he does :(
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)09:18 No.4153328
    >>4153327

    you didnt notice?
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)09:25 No.4153340
    >>4151136
    >yfw you will never be able to punch that autistic faggot talking about the universe because he's arrogant as fuck
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)09:25 No.4153342
    >>4153328

    i like to think she killed a man and had to run from China. it's the romantic in me.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)09:26 No.4153344
    >>4153340
    >hating on people with donkey burgers

    not cool bro
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)09:35 No.4153365
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    >>4152006
    9:55
    Sacha Baron Cohen's cousin
    True story
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)09:36 No.4153367
    >I'm gifted but not arrogant
    No.

    Anyway I envy these people. I'm just as socially retarded as any of them are, only without the super mind.
    >> TheOldFag !!ddNqgd/ihEj 12/17/11(Sat)09:38 No.4153374
    a lot of butthurt around here
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)09:40 No.4153379
    when do they show the chinese slum??

    pd the 6 kids from the china team got golden medals and the one who got perfect score is now a monk.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)09:48 No.4153395
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    >>4153367

    can't hate.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)10:14 No.4153458
    Wow, the guy with the british smile seems like a completely different person when he is in China.
    Autists paradise?
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)10:21 No.4153479
    >>4153367
    Lol, too bad they're good in a field which is based on convention and is totally impractical lifewise.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)10:21 No.4153480
    Haha
    All the butthurt aspies on this board are trying to rationalize and preserve their egos.
    Face the bitter facts. You are not a mathematical genius and will never take the IMO and be at IMO level.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)10:21 No.4153481
    >>4153374
    Hey, you know what would be really cool? You going back to your shithole /x/.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)10:24 No.4153488
    >>4153480
    Nah, I'm not interested in maths and dont know what IMO is. I'm this guy >>4153479
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)10:26 No.4153495
    low iq detected
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)10:28 No.4153499
    As much envy and respect I have for these kids, the arrogant one fucking annoys me
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)10:35 No.4153515
    >>4151250
    >>4151272
    >>4151266
    >>4151282
    >>4151289
    >>4151314
    >>4151297
    You guys don't understand what China's IMO team has to through.

    They basically get taken from their families for 6 months before hte competition and do nothing but intensive maths training until hte competition ends. They take the IMO just as seriously as their gymnastic team takes the olympics.

    After teh stress of that , not to mention however many years of extra training he will have had once he was idenitified as a future IMO prospect, it's no small surprise that he would want out and sek some simple solace , structure an tranquility in the life of a monk.

    All of you people condemning him would have probably broken from the IMO training before you even took the competition. He probably has more will power to last through it than any of us lazy, liberal westerners who spend our days doing cushy undergrad degrees while postin on 4chan.

    I you want a glimpse into China's IMO training, watch the british documentary "beautiful minds", it has 5 mintes where one of the chinese IMO candidates gets interviewed and says that though he's gained a lot as a result of the training, he's lost something important.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)10:45 No.4153542
    GOD I WAND TO PUNCH JOSH IN THE FUCKING FACE
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)10:54 No.4153558
    I wish my fucking autism actually served me for something except for being a fucking burden at every time of my fucking day.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)10:56 No.4153563
    I wish I was IMO level then I could work at Jane Street and make dolla
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)11:03 No.4153583
    http://richarddawkins.net/users/77231/comments?page=1

    Posts made by Jos of the Richard Dawkins forums. The very same Jos we see in this video.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)11:07 No.4153595
    >>4153583
    lol edgy teenager atheist.
    I would punch him in his smug fucking face so hard.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)11:09 No.4153598
    >>4153458
    I feel the same when I'm in Japan.

    I'm at university with a lot of people who've been in the IMO but I never once felt less capable than them at university level work. I'm not particularly great at exams but I don't particularly care how smart people think I am as long as I can get into grad school for the time being.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)11:13 No.4153609
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    >>4153583
    >63 pages
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)11:19 No.4153621
    I would never wish for their math intelligence if it meant I had to be that socially inept.
    I look up to intelligent AND sociable/badass/eloquent scientists, philosophers, mathematicians, writers, whatever.

    I would rather have a discussion with Hitchens, Betrand Russel, and Tesla, or something, than with these ass pies ass burgerz
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)11:25 No.4153635
    That guy with the chinese girlfriend speaks chinese with shit intonation. Not that it's uncommon for non-native speakers, but just wanted you guys to know that.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)11:31 No.4153651
    Whenever I watch these things they make me all motivated to try harder in my college classes...I dont even fucking know why either.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)11:34 No.4153657
    >>4153651
    They're not all that smart. I'm at cambridge now and i'm doing better than at least one of these people (admittedly not someone who got into the team, but one of the 20 at the trinity traning camp)
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)11:35 No.4153658
    >>4153657
    No, they really are that smart and so are you.
    Just because you don't think of yourself as smart doesn't mean they are not brilliant.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)11:42 No.4153676
    >>4153658
    I never really thought about that. Cambridge has a horrible way of making you feel stupid. Everyone here was top of their class when they were in school, and when you get to cambridge, you find that the material is actually challenging. Some cope, some don't. Discussing with lecturers and other people, they told me that cambridge is great if you're in the top 25% of people there, since the support is second to none. If you're below that, then you just get left behind in the dust.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)11:42 No.4153677
    >>4153480
    I'm not ever going to take the IMO because I'm not underage. I am at IMO level for some countries, and probably was even in high school, but "for some countries" doesn't win the IMO. I was just under the MOSP cut-off in my sophomore year of high school.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)11:46 No.4153685
    >>4153676
    There is lots of support for everyone. It's not like 75% of the year fails.... I've only known one person who did and that was their own fault.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)11:49 No.4153693
    I was in the 25th percentile a year ago but dropped to about 50th or something. Does that mean I've lost 10 IQ points? Of course not.

    People give too much preponderance to exam results.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)11:50 No.4153694
    >>4152246
    Daniel is cool.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)11:50 No.4153695
    Yeah, just because some people at the top are so hyperfocused on math that they've forgotten to learn things like "not being cunts" doesn't mean you should let them bully you into thinking you're not smart.

    Who wants to start playing through the BMO questions?
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)11:50 No.4153697
    >>4153685
    No one fails. I know there is lots of support for everyone, but for example last term my supervisor just said to me "Well why can't you do it?" and refused to help me. I complained, but fuck, there is an arrogance that some supervisors have.

    Of course the support is there for everyone, but the way the year is structured, intense 8 week terms, instead of 10-11 which is standard in other UK unis, does not help the lower end of the people there.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)11:52 No.4153701
    >>4153695
    Post a question, it's been years since i've given care to that sort of thing, but the old brain might still be able to do the olympiad dance
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)11:58 No.4153709
    >>4153701
    They're really really not that hard. I'll give you a few off the most recent one:

    Prove that the product of four consecutive positive integers can not be equal to the product of two consecutive positive integers.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)12:07 No.4153730
    >>4153709
    ok, I can't do that lol
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)12:08 No.4153733
    >>4153697
    Man, I would have loved it. I just wish I were well-rounded enough to keep up with that pace in all my subjects.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)12:10 No.4153743
    >>4153730
    Yes, you can! Give it a try.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)12:12 No.4153747
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    THIS DOCUMENTARY WAS A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS

    it was trying to paint the picture that everbody who's extremely good at maths has aspergers, when in fact most of the final squad and indeed the TOP PERFORMERS didn't have aspergers. the arrogant cunt jos didnt even make the final team

    just typical media, total bollocks and lies
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)12:14 No.4153749
    >>4153747
    And it was reinforced by the cunts filming and interviewing - they treat people good at math like they're trained monkeys. Questions like, effectively, "Why do you think you'd be happier in a long-term marriage?" Like that's not incredibly normal.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)12:14 No.4153751
    >>4153733
    I honestly don't see why they can't spread the work out a bit, make term 1 week longer and less stress, and people would be able to take things in more. For me it feels like a rush, the only time I can fully appreciate the maths is in the holidays
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)12:14 No.4153753
    >>4153747
    mad mathfag detetced
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)12:17 No.4153758
    >>4153747
    The documentary was as much about autism and aspergers as it was about maths. This was a real eye opener in the UK, and very influential in the way people now understand the conditions, for better or worse
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)12:19 No.4153762
    >>4153747
    > nsfw
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)12:22 No.4153770
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    >>4153747
    to go on, ordinary people watching don't like to see other ordinary people being much better at them than something, so the film makers were just like ITS FINE LOOK THEY AUTISM LOL.

    http://www.imo-official.org/team_r.aspx?code=UNK&year=2006&column=total&order=desc&g
    ender=hide

    this is the same year, the top three performers were not interviewed in the documentary because they do NOT have autism.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)12:25 No.4153777
    they're good at being arrogant fucks, but if you actually stop to think about it most of what they say is full of non sequiturs and shitty specious conclusions.

    just listen to this faggot's theory on the universe at 10:50.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)12:26 No.4153778
    >>4153770

    There's one /sci/entist here who would appreciate more of this woman.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)12:29 No.4153782
    >>4153770
    Fuck if I was one of those guys I would be SERIOUSLY mad.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)12:29 No.4153783
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    History major here, this is my asian waifu. You niggas jelly?
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)12:31 No.4153784
    >>4153770

    2 out of 5 had diagnosed assburgers, while normally it's something like 3-4 per 1000. talk about insignificance.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)12:31 No.4153785
    >>4153758
    no the documentary was was just a freakshow, it wasn't about maths at all because the freaks featured weren't even the best at it.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)12:33 No.4153788
    >>4153784
    it still sent out a completely false message to anybody watching(that being that being extremly good at maths=autism). im sure you can agree with that.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)12:35 No.4153791
    >>4153788

    yeah sure, why not.
    >> 2006 IMO Questions Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)12:35 No.4153792
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    Can you do better /sci/?
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)12:36 No.4153793
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    >>4153792
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)12:39 No.4153795
    >post some smart kids
    >/sci/ loses its shit
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)12:41 No.4153799
    ok let's be honest. These are all kids that were selected because they're naturally good at picking up mathematical concepts. They were all directly and intensively coached to this level. Most of the problems they're doing, they've already seen one that's 70-80% similar.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)12:48 No.4153809
    >>4153709

    Anon would like assistance with this problem.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)12:48 No.4153810
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    Seemed like most of the questions that they were doing in the video had to do with geometry, trigonometry and series.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)12:50 No.4153813
    They always do a bunch of number theory questions and I hate number theory.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)12:53 No.4153823
    >>4153810

    n=1, counter-example. State your ranges
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)12:55 No.4153829
    >>4153823
    >0
    >not divisible by 2730

    Fucking idiot
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)12:55 No.4153830
    >>4153823
    So children, can anyone answer what is 0 divided by 2730? Yes, it is 0. Good one, now go off and play.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)12:58 No.4153839
    >>4153810
    Looks like an application of Fermat's little theorem to me
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:03 No.4153854
    >>4153839

    Yup. It was a pic unrelated but since there seems to be interest it is indeed an application of Fermat's little theorem.

    Just demonstrate that n^13-n is divisible by the prime factors of 2730 (2,3,5,7,13) using Fermat's little theorem (totient theorem).
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:05 No.4153864
    >>4153792
    I'm going to try.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:06 No.4153867
    >>4153810

    Sorry if I'm being an idiot, but if we found an expression for the summation of this, and showed that was divisible by 2730, that'd show the original must be too, right?
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:07 No.4153872
    >>4153809
    If a(a+1)(a+2)(a+3) = b(b+1), then (a^2 + 3 a)(a^2 + 3 a + 2) = b^2 + b, which means that (a^2 + 3a + 1)^2 = b^2 + b + 1. However, b^2, b^2 + 2 b + 1 are consecutive squares; there can't be a square between them.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:07 No.4153873
    > What kind of math do these kids study anyways?

    "advanced highschool puzzles" kind of maths
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:08 No.4153875
    IMO contestants are smarter than every single poster on sci.
    Sci loses its shit and pokes at ass burgers. MFW sci is filled with poser mathematicians
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:10 No.4153883
    mfw 0 is divisible by 2730
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:10 No.4153885
    >>4153799
    this
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:13 No.4153901
    >>4153799

    >naturally good at picking up mathematical concepts

    And if they are exceptionally good at picking up mathematical concepts, how is that any different to them just being good at maths?

    I don't understand where you're trying to go with this.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:14 No.4153909
    >>4153872

    which means that (a^2 + 3a + 1)^2 = b^2 + b + 1.

    Sorry, I don't see where this came from?
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:15 No.4153913
    >>4153901

    I'm saying that these problems intimidate other non IMO trained teenagers a lot more than they should.


    It's like showing calculus to a bright 8th grader. Sure, he could get it if he tried, but it looks impossible at first.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:16 No.4153917
    >>4153901
    he means that they can't just naturally sit down and solve those problems, they were trained extensively.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:16 No.4153918
    >>4153867

    I'm not sure what you mean by summation. If you found a summation representation of n^13-n and proved that to be divisible by 2730 then I suppose that would work. I just don't really see where you are going with the summation. This problem is an archetypal Fermat's little theorem problem.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:17 No.4153921
    >>4153909
    (a^2 + 3 a)(a^2 + 3 a + 2) = b^2 + b
    (a^2 + 3 a + 1)^2 - 1 = b^2 + b
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:19 No.4153929
    >>4153918

    Was just thinking of doing it different ways, for the Hell of it. No real point to it.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:24 No.4153947
    >>4153799
    >>4153917
    this is totally true for maths, but not for physics

    sure a good school helps there too, but those kids often come from "nowhere"
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:25 No.4153950
    >>4151136

    I went to uni with almost all of them, most of them are doing PhD's at various institutions (a few at cambridge with me), and Jonathan Lee's still doing his undergraduate. Pretty much all sorts of maths.

    Never met Jos cause he went to oxford so can't say, and barely every spoke to Daniel but from what I remember he switched to studying chinese.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:27 No.4153963
    >>4153950
    Jonathan is so sexy. Does he have a GF?
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:29 No.4153971
    >>4153921

    I don't see where that came from. I get it works and all, but how did you get to that? If it's really obvious and I'm just being dense, then tell me to fuck off.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:30 No.4153973
    >>4153971
    Are you asking about this step in particular?
    (x+y)(x-y) = x^2 - y^2
    In this case, x = a^2 + 3a + 1, and y = 1.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:30 No.4153974
    >>4153963

    ask him yourself I'm sure you can find him on facebook, it'd probaby make his day
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:32 No.4153979
    >>4153973

    Well fuck. Yes, that clears everything up. Very sorry.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:34 No.4153987
    >>4153979
    I want to do more of these problems.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:34 No.4153988
    >>4153950
    >Jonathan Lee

    is he part II or part III? I recall seeing him about
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:36 No.4153997
    >>4153987
    Here's another one to play with, off the BMO 2011 round 2:
    The function f is defined on the positive integers as follows;
    f(1) = 1;
    f(2n) = f(n) if n is even;
    f(2n) = 2f(n) if n is odd;
    f(2n + 1) = 2f(n) + 1 if n is even;
    f(2n + 1) = f(n) if n is odd.
    Find the number of positive integers n which are less than 2011 and
    have the property that f(n) = f(2011).
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:37 No.4154006
    >>4153872

    >However, b^2, b^2 + 2 b + 1

    Where does the 2b come from?
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:39 No.4154013
    >>4154006
    We are saying that b^2+b+1 is between
    b^2 and (b+1)^2
    which is a contradiction
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:40 No.4154018
    >>4153997
    It's funny, because this can be computed in-place in an array containing a sequence of bits. There are 11 such numbers, it looks like: 1, 2, 5, 10, 21, 42, 85, 130, 261, 522, 1045.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:41 No.4154020
    >>4154013

    Ahh yes. That makes sense. Thank you kindly, anon.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:43 No.4154028
    Do any anons want to give general mathematical advice? I'll be starting a maths degree soon, and the only advice I get is to do lots of questions. But is there nothing specific I can do?
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:44 No.4154032
         File1324147465.gif-(1.91 MB, 329x319, 1324087392968.gif)
    1.91 MB
    >yfw you realize EK goes to Cambridge and probably fucked the shit out Jonathan already
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:44 No.4154036
    >>4153988

    I'm pretty certain he's part III, but I could be mistaken.
    >> TN5 !/sci/TN5.. 12/17/11(Sat)13:45 No.4154037
    >>4153997
    Writing 2011 is base 4.
    Every number that has the same digits, permuted, in base 4, and is lower then 2011, is an answer.

    (I only gave it a fast thought... without reading the exact rules... so that might be totally stupid)
    >> TN5 !/sci/TN5.. 12/17/11(Sat)13:47 No.4154049
    >>4154037
    Actually, as the same rule is applied for
    >f(2n) = f(n) if n is even;
    >f(2n + 1) = f(n) if n is odd.
    the corresponding base-4 digits can be exchanged, I guess, and they can also be removed or added since f remains constant...
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:51 No.4154057
    >>4154032
    EK goes to cambridge? What does that hideous beast study?
    >>4154028
    >Do lots of questions
    As someone at cambridge, I disagree, Whilst you certainly need to do what is set for you, you are better off spending the rest of the time reading in depth on subjects, and attempting tough questions, than just mindlessly churning through ones.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:52 No.4154060
    >>4154057

    Any particular methods I can use to know what it is I should be focusing on? Or should I just guess what I think will be near the limits of what I can do?
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:55 No.4154070
    >>4154060
    Well, your lectures will guide you primarily. If you find some particular part interesting, pick up a book and go into more depth. Just make sure you know everything in the lectures, then the rest should follow nicely.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:56 No.4154074
    >>4153997
    So here's my analysis:
    Represent the input n as a binary string.
    If you ever apply the rule f(2n) = f(n) or f(2n+1) = f(n), the original number n will be longer, in binary, than f(n). f(2n+1) = 2 f(n) + 1 means the input, 2n+1, is exactly one bit longer than f(n), and similarly with f(2n) = 2 f(n). Therefore, if n is odd, n-1 must be even, and if n is even, n/2 must be odd.

    The strings of length 1 that meet the criterion that f(n) is the same length as n are 1. The strings of length 2 are exactly 10_2, since f(11_2) = f(2*1 + 1) = f(1) = 1, which is shorter. Then the strings of length 3 which are fixed-length have to be either 4 or 5, because f(6) or f(7) both reduce down to f(3), which is shorter in length than 3.

    Rigorously: |f(n)|<|n|, as represented in binary, with equality iff n odd, (n-1)/2 even or n even, n/2 odd, and |f(n/2)| = |n/2| (using integer truncation division here). Therefore, exactly one number of each length can have this property (because only one number of length 1 has it, and by induction if there's a string m of length i, it's either odd or even, and a string n of length i+1 must satisfy n/2 = m (by integer arithmetic) and n is odd if m is even, and vice versa).

    Then you can see that those are the 11 numbers up to 2011 that have the same length as their image through function f, and in fact it's easy to check for all of them that f(n) = n:
    f(1) = 1, f(2) = 2 f(1) = 2, f(5) = 2 f(2) + 1 = 5, f(10) = 2 f(5) = 10, f(21) = 2 f(10) + 1 = 21, and so on. I don't want to write the other 11.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:57 No.4154076
    >>4154070

    Do you remember how long it took you to get an offer from Cam? I've been waiting for about two weeks now. Not sure how long it's meant to take.
    >> mathfag !lBA0pEMs2M 12/17/11(Sat)13:58 No.4154079
    Hey, TN5.
    The problem here is whenever you invoke one of the rules f(2n) = f(n) or f(2n+1) = f(n), you're shortening the string.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)13:58 No.4154080
    >>4154076
    Offers aren't received until the new year
    >> TN5 !/sci/TN5.. 12/17/11(Sat)13:59 No.4154082
    >>4154049
    Okay, so scratch the part about permutations. We're looking at the base-4 form of 2011: 2011=133123 in base 4.

    The rules can be rewritten as, for any n:
    >f(4n) = f(2n)
    >f(4n+2) = 2f(2n+1)
    >f(4n+1) = 2f(2n)+1
    >f(4n+3) = f(2n)

    So when a 1 appears in the base 4 form, the result is multiplied by 2 and incremented by 1, and when a 2 appears in the base 4 form, the result is multiplied by 2. 0 and 3 have no effect.

    Thus, every number of the form [0 or 3]*1[0 or 3]*1[0 or 3]*2[0 or 3]* in base 4 should work.
    >> mathfag !lBA0pEMs2M 12/17/11(Sat)14:00 No.4154085
    Oh, shit, I wasn't paying attention, and I screwed the problem up.
    >> TN5 !/sci/TN5.. 12/17/11(Sat)14:04 No.4154097
    >>4154074
    Yeah actually I think my base-4 analysis is stupid. The correct analysis is indeed to be done on the binary form, by pairs of bits, but without the constraint that the pairs correspond to a base-4 digit by being "aligned". Bah...

    Anyway, I'm up for more problems and will try not to screw up too much!
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)14:10 No.4154117
    Is the math program at Oxbridge more demanding than Harvard's? I know that a ton of USAMO student end up in Harvard's math department and they seem to be doing well.
    >> mathfag !lBA0pEMs2M 12/17/11(Sat)14:10 No.4154121
    f(2011) = f(1005) = 2f(502) + 1= 4 f(201) + 1= 8 f(100) + 4 + 1 = 16 f(25) + 4 + 1 = 32 f(12) + 16 + 4 + 1 = 64 f(3) + 16 + 4 + 1 = 1010101_2 = 85.
    The numbers that satisfy this are exactly 1010101, with 1s added to strings of 1, or 0s added to strings of 0, because this doesn't change the value.

    2011 = 11001001011, so we have to stay within 4 additional characters, and less than 2011.
    11001001011
    11001001001
    11001000101
    11000110101
    11000101101
    11000101011
    11000101001
    11000100101
    11000010101
    10111010101
    10110110101
    10110101101
    10110101011
    10110101001
    10110100101
    10110010101
    10101110101
    10101101101
    10101101011
    10101101001
    10101100101
    10101011101
    10101011011
    10101011001
    10101010111
    10101010011
    10101010001
    10101001101
    10101001011
    10101001001
    10101000101
    etc.
    >> mathfag !lBA0pEMs2M 12/17/11(Sat)14:13 No.4154128
    >>4154121
    So now what we thought was a functional analysis problem is actually a combinatorics problem: How many ways can you divide a string of length 11 up into 7 disjoint substrings? The answer is 10c6, because you pick six of the first 10, and cut after each of those 6.

    But now we need to account for the nasty little 2011, so I look at my other answer.
    >> TN5 !/sci/TN5.. 12/17/11(Sat)14:14 No.4154130
    >>4154121
    >The numbers that satisfy this are exactly 1010101, with 1s added to strings of 1, or 0s added to strings of 0, because this doesn't change the value.
    Yeah that's what I end up with as well. Only the switches between 0 and 1 matter (they correspond to the 1 and 2 in base 4 that I wrote, but I didn't realize they could occur in non-aligned double-bit positions).
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)14:15 No.4154133
    >>4154117
    Cambridge is probably equal to Harvard, maybe slightly more demanding.

    Oxford while good isn't in the same league for maths.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)14:19 No.4154142
    >>4154133
    Actually i'll probably change it. The cambridge course CAN be more demanding than harvard. The thing is, the cambridge course is very flexible. You can more or less study as much or as little as you want. If you want to do well, however, you would need to study a fair amount of material. But you can get a respectable grade just studying a small number of courses in depth.
    >> mathfag !lBA0pEMs2M 12/17/11(Sat)14:20 No.4154146
    >>4154128
    Considering all solutions other than these -
    11001001011
    11001001001
    11001000101
    11000110101
    11000101101
    11000101011
    11000101001
    11000100101
    11000010101
    - are less than 11000000000, or 1536, we can consider only numbers starting with 10, which already has one split removed. The number of solutions of length 11 with the first digits "10" is 9c5 = 9*8*7*6/24 = 9*7*2 = 126, because the split can occur at the second through second-to-last places; the number of solutions of length 10 are 9c6 = 84, of length 9, 8c6 = 28, of length 8, 7, and of length 7, 1. With 9 listed above, this is 126+84+28+7+1+9 = 255.

    Ha, that's pretty funny. I miscounted, though, because I included 2011, and it says "less than 2011", so it's 254.
    >> mathfag !lBA0pEMs2M 12/17/11(Sat)14:21 No.4154149
    2. Find all positive integers x and y such that x + y + 1 divides 2xy and
    x + y − 1 divides x^2 + y^2 − 1.
    I have no idea how to start this one.
    Shall we?
    >> TN5 !/sci/TN5.. 12/17/11(Sat)14:23 No.4154152
    >>4154149
    Let's do that.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)14:28 No.4154160
    >>4153810
    You never said the answers had to be natural numbers. They could just be decimals. Problem /sci/?
    >> TN5 !/sci/TN5.. 12/17/11(Sat)14:28 No.4154161
    (x+y-1)²=x²+y²+2xy+1-2x-2y=(x²+y²-1) -2(x+y-1)

    We can do something with this, can't we?
    >> TN5 !/sci/TN5.. 12/17/11(Sat)14:29 No.4154165
    >>4154161
    Yeah and there's a 2xy missing from the right hand side here. But point is, here's a link between the two equations.
    >> mathfag !lBA0pEMs2M 12/17/11(Sat)14:30 No.4154166
    >>4154161
    Doesn't that prove it for all integers x and y?
    >> mathfag !lBA0pEMs2M 12/17/11(Sat)14:32 No.4154169
    >>4154165
    You've proved that (x+y-1) divides 2xy is an equivalent condition.

    So we know x+y+1 | 2xy, and x+y-1 | 2xy
    >> TN5 !/sci/TN5.. 12/17/11(Sat)14:33 No.4154172
    >>4154169
    Yeah and that doesn't leave much room.
    >> mathfag !lBA0pEMs2M 12/17/11(Sat)14:37 No.4154180
    >>4154172
    Nope, it doesn't. Let's go in the reverse direction, too, just to see what happens.
    (x+y+1) divides 2xy - (x+y+1)^2 = -x^2 - y^2 + 1 - 2(x+y+1)
    so we know that x+y+1 and x+y-1 both divide x^2 + y^2 - 1.
    >> mathfag !lBA0pEMs2M 12/17/11(Sat)14:41 No.4154185
    >>4154180
    The funny thing is, x+y+1 and x+y-1 share at most a common factor of 2, so either 2xy = (x+y)^2 - 1 or 4xy = (x+y)^2 - 1.

    I'm guessing, since the first one is x,y have to be 0 or 1, that it's the second one. All pairs of x, y where x, y differ by 1.
    >> mathfag !lBA0pEMs2M 12/17/11(Sat)14:41 No.4154190
    >>4154185
    And it makes sense. If x = y+1, then x+y+1 = 2x, x+y-1 = 2y, and both divide 2xy.
    >> TN5 !/sci/TN5.. 12/17/11(Sat)14:44 No.4154196
    >>4154190
    Nice, so that's already an infinite amount of answers.

    I don't really see how to go on though. Besides trying desperate things like setting x odd and y even and rewriting everything.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)14:49 No.4154200
    >>4154196
    No, we're done. If x+y+1 is odd, then x+y+1, x+y-1 are relatively prime, so 2xy = (x+y)^2 - 1, and so x^2 + y^2 = 1, so x = 0 or y = 0.
    x+y+1 must therefore be even, and (x+y+1)/2 = (x+y-1)/2 + 1, so those two numbers are relatively prime, and each divides xy, so xy = (x+y+1)/2 (x+y-1)/2, (x+y)^2-1=4xy, so (x-y)^2 = 1.
    >> TN5 !/sci/TN5.. 12/17/11(Sat)14:53 No.4154216
    >>4154200
    >x+y+1, x+y-1 are relatively prime, so 2xy = (x+y)^2 - 1
    Why?
    ab=1 and ac, ad, bc, bd
    That's not enough to have c=d. Or did you use something else? To me, it only implies abc and abd.
    >> A38966 12/17/11(Sat)14:53 No.4154217
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    >> TN5 !/sci/TN5.. 12/17/11(Sat)14:54 No.4154223
    >>4154216
    Oh wow, I didn't read your post properly, never mind... I read 2xy=x²+y²-1.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)14:59 No.4154230
    Could anyone answer this quick, I'm studying for a linear algebra exam:

    if a set of vectors is linearly independent then they're invertible. Does this statement make any sense? I should really know this. Can someone briefly explain the relationship between independence and invertibility?
    >> mathfag !lBA0pEMs2M 12/17/11(Sat)15:00 No.4154232
    >>4154223
    Well, hey, you did the important part. I would have been messing with it for half an hour without seeing anything.

    4. Let G be the set of points (x, y) in the plane such that x and y are
    integers in the range 1 ≤ x, y ≤ 2011. A subset S of G is said to
    be parallelogram-free if there is no proper parallelogram with all its
    vertices in S. Determine the largest possible size of a parallelogramfree subset of G. Note that a proper parallelogram is one where its
    vertices do not all lie on the same line
    >> mathfag !lBA0pEMs2M 12/17/11(Sat)15:02 No.4154236
    >>4154230
    If a set of vectors is independent, then the matrix containing them has something LIKE an inverse, which, multiplied on one side only, gives you an identity matrix. The problem is, if the set of vectors is smaller than their dimensions, you can't invert on the other side, because split the other way, they're dependent.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)15:03 No.4154237
    >>4154230
    A linear matrix is what's invertible. The following are equivalent for square matrices:
    A matrix M is a linear operator (i.e. if a,b are scalars, and v,w vectors, then M(av+bw) = aM(v) + bM(w).
    The determinant of M is 0.
    M is an invertible matrix.

    If a set of vectors is linearly independent, and the size of the set is equal to the dimension of the vector space, the set is a basis of the vector space.
    >> mathfag !lBA0pEMs2M 12/17/11(Sat)15:03 No.4154238
    >>4154232
    And right away I conjecture that the best you can do is 2n-1.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)15:04 No.4154239
    "Gifted, but not arrogant."
    My ass you're not arrogant.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)15:05 No.4154242
    >>4154237
    d
    Right! So only square matrices are invertible, and if a square matrix has linearly independent column vectors THEN it's invertible. Not ALL square matrices are invertible by default but they're the only candidates, right?
    >> TN5 !/sci/TN5.. 12/17/11(Sat)15:06 No.4154243
    >>4154238
    n+n/2+n/4 etc? Yeah.
    >> mathfag !lBA0pEMs2M 12/17/11(Sat)15:06 No.4154245
    >>4154243
    All along the bottom and left side of the square.
    >> TN5 !/sci/TN5.. 12/17/11(Sat)15:08 No.4154250
    >>4154243
    I'm so tired... I realize my posts are stupid roughly 15 seconds after posting them every single time.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)15:08 No.4154252
    I'm actually kind of sad when I see this video because I will never amount to anything of value. Sure, I'm studying to become an engineer and I will have a good life but I've always wanted to be a really good mathematician but I just don't have the capacity to understand the really advanced material.
    >> mathfag !lBA0pEMs2M 12/17/11(Sat)15:09 No.4154255
    >>4154250
    I'm really tired, too; don't worry about it.
    >> TN5 !/sci/TN5.. 12/17/11(Sat)15:10 No.4154260
    >>4154245
    So, to do better than that, what you would need to avoid is having two different columns with the same spacing between two points, or two different lines with the same spacing between two points.
    Say you've got a line where the spacing are multiples of 2, one where they are multiples of 3, etc on prime numbers. Can we work something out like this?
    >> TN5 !/sci/TN5.. 12/17/11(Sat)15:13 No.4154264
    >>4154260
    For instance, on a smaller board:
    10101010101 (mult of 2)
    100100x0010 (mult of 3 but not 2)
    10001000x00 (mult of 5 but not 2 or 3)
    10000010000 (mult of 7 but not 2 or 3 or 5)

    How many does this give?
    >> mathfag !lBA0pEMs2M 12/17/11(Sat)15:14 No.4154267
    >>4154260
    So every time you have two on a line, you have some gap. There are only so many size gaps you can have, and every time you add another one to a line, you add at least one more gap size.
    So we get one on every line for free, and we can have at MOST n-1 gaps, because the gaps range in size from 1 to n-1.

    Wow, that was too easy for round 2.
    To be fair, I looked at it a bit ago, and skipped it in favor of the other problems I posted.
    >> TN5 !/sci/TN5.. 12/17/11(Sat)15:15 No.4154269
    >>4154264
    And this gives 2n-1 too. Ok.
    >> mathfag !lBA0pEMs2M 12/17/11(Sat)15:15 No.4154271
    Okay, haven't read this one at all, just posting it.
    1. There are 2010
    2010 children at a mathematics camp. Each has at most three friends at the camp, and if A is friends with B, then B is friends with A. The camp leader would like to line the children up so that there are at most 2010 children between any pair of friends. Is it always possible to do this?
    >> TN5 !/sci/TN5.. 12/17/11(Sat)15:16 No.4154273
    >>4154267
    That does it for me. Nice one.
    >> mathfag !lBA0pEMs2M 12/17/11(Sat)15:16 No.4154275
    >>4154264
    Problem: xooxooooox still has a gap of six, which fails when considered with the first line, which has gaps of all multiples of 2.
    >> mathfag !lBA0pEMs2M 12/17/11(Sat)15:17 No.4154279
    >>4154271
    Sorry, that's 2010^2010
    >> TN5 !/sci/TN5.. 12/17/11(Sat)15:18 No.4154281
    >>4154271
    >2010 children at a mathematics camp. Each has at most three friends at the camp
    >Each has at most three friends

    :<
    I'm gonna go grab some food, will be back in 40minutes or so. I'll check if I see some activity in here when I'm back, and I'll think about the problem on the way.
    >> mathfag !lBA0pEMs2M 12/17/11(Sat)15:19 No.4154284
    >>4154281
    Okay, see you in 40. If I solve it, I'll have another one.
    >> TN5 !/sci/TN5.. 12/17/11(Sat)15:20 No.4154285
    >>4154275
    Oh yeah indeed. So randomly trying to build the n-1 different gaps in a greedy way won't work, you have to plan a little bit. Subsidiary question: how many possibilities do you have? If that's annoying because of permutations and such and if it's simpler to see it this way: how many possibilities do you have, assuming that you have already filled the 1st column with 1s.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/11(Sat)15:25 No.4154300
    I have no idea how to count the number of solutions.



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