>mfw

>>3776576
Christ, you ignorant dumbass. How about googling "transgender" to understand them a little better before becoming abusive?

>>3776601
No abuse here.

I happen to have a thing for traps, just curious y as I don't think about guys.

Think about it from the other side: Why would a girl have the body of a boy?

>>3776576
>What makes a guy want to start becoming a girl?
Gender identity issues.
>Why go through all the trouble?
To feel more comfortable with themselves I suppose.

>And on the flipside of that, how can a completely straight man be attracted to one?
To... what?
A trap?
Or a transexual?

Both have feminine traits designed to be attractive to heterosexual males; it's no surprise if a straight man is attracted to them.
But if you're more attracted to traps than girls, you're probably not totally straight.

Transgendered person speaking. We Idenfity as female more than male. It has nothing to do with wanting to suck dick, it's about self identification and being comfortable with who you are. Many of us are lesbians.

"traps" on the other hand, do it as a fetish. They don't go through Hormone Replacement Therapy like we do, they just put on women's clothing and girlify themselves. Probably to suck dick. They don't identify as female, they're just effeminate crossdressers.

>What makes a guy want to start becoming a girl?
Disparaty between gender and sex.

>Why go through all the trouble? To suck dick?
Nope, so that disparity disappears.

>And on the flipside of that, how can a completely straight man be attracted to one?
Because they have somewhat well-defined female traits? Christ, you're a poor troll.

>>3776576

>What makes a guy want to start becoming a girl?
Inferior genetics, or a series of epi-genetic accidents, that alter brain chemistry and make men feel like they are a woman trapped in the wrong body.

how can a completely straight man be attracted to one?

Straight men have 4 major sexual cues:

+Asses
+Tits
+Feet

(AND...)

(drumroll.... )

+Penises

Seeing any of these (even in straight men) causes a surge of sexual activity in their brains.

"Traps" are sexual illusions which combine all of these into one, which is what makes them so appealing to straight men. If you aren't attracted to a womanly, beautiful, figure with natural curves, big ass, and big tits, you are probably a homosexual.

>>3776742
Straight people like penises?
What?

>>3776742
[citation needed]
On the whole post.

Long post.

Homosexuality is very misunderstood. There are no bisexual desires, only heterosexual desires. It's just a lack of orientation, confusion. It's the thought of the sexual act, which obviously leads to reproduction, that excites us sexually. The origin of sexual pleasure always comes from the penis, not from the ass. It's sensitive, but sensitive =/= pleasurable. Notice that once a man cums he doesn't want to continue sex? Because his penis says "okay it's over, I put my cum in her". His ass doesn't say "ohh fuck me some more, impregnate my ass". It says get the fuck out (it always says this, and requires lubricant to get around natural resistance to penetration). It seems strange that even gay guys would largely derive pleasure from something regarding the penis if the ass was really a sex organ, which it isn't. Moving the penis up and down through stroking or similar means = resembling fucking = symbolic of putting your penis inside of a vagina to cum in it to reproduce, which is a heterosexually originating pleasure, which of course can be misled). You can let it get cloudy about who's on which end, and eventually you could numb your senses to it but ultimately all pleasure comes from sexual thoughts, not strictly gay thoughts. Do understand this has flexibility, in that a guy being interested in fucking another guy if you were to examine the image, is still very proximal to what it would look like and feel like compared to male and female (fucking a rock or a chair isn't sexually stimulating.. but maybe looking at a vagina is, maybe looking at large areas of skin is, and with a guy, if you didn't see the dick and he had a very feminine figure, you're quite close to female human shapes).

tl:dr it's desire for a woman or for sex in and of itself in disguise.

>>3776771
See >>3776756

>>3776771
That's some extremely shaky conclusions there, anon. Please offer some citations.

>>3776771
>clearly has never had gay sex

>>3776771
If that were true AT ALL. Why would the idea of getting fucked by a burly construction worker get my dick hard?

>>3776576
a male can never be a female, only a mutilated male

a female can never be a male, only a mutilated female

and psychological scars, psychological scars errywhere

there is no gay, no straight, no bisexual, no transgendered. there are only people, and what they will and will not fuck.

i hereby name myself "threadkiller"

>>3776783
>>3776801
>>3776802
>>3776806

Okay, let's all jump on the liberal train and pretend that being gay is just another way of life because otherwise we'd offend people.

>>3776887
if they can take a dick, they can take a joke

>>3776576
Are you asking for an easier way to suck dick?

>>3776902
wow did I lol

>>3776576
>What makes a guy want to start becoming a girl?

Because we want to.

Pic related, posted because it fits the response also she kinda looks like a man.

>>3776810
>a male can never be a female, only a mutilated male
What if we make him grow a vagina (instead of just cutting a hole there) and a womb ? It should be possible not too long from now.

>>3776953
he'll still be a mutilated male, only wetter

isn't it obvious that people who "change" their gender have deep seated emotional problems? that the surgeries don't fix? and then they tend to kill themselves?

why sign up for that?

>>>>3776810

you're an idiot. what they will and will not fuck is what defines them as those things you said don't exist.

As far as I can tell, transgendered people can't have babies as the sex they wish to be so this is the only obstacle preventing them from being seen as truly male or female in your eyes. But then you'd have to tell me that infertile natural born males and females aren't actually those genders either.

And it's often not so much mental development as it is hormonal and developmental in the womb as well as afterwards.

Something has gone wrong. In the womb, some hormone arrives too late or too early, or too strong or too weak, and the scaffold of the brain starts to use the wrong blueprints. They build female structures instead of male, or vice-versa. But the rest of the body, obviously, develops mostly as normal. This does not mean a wholly female brain in a male body, maybe not even closer to female than male, but it's certainly way off the normal male brain in many important ways.

So they expect female standard inputs from the body and from other people, but they get male standard. And it only gets worse as the bodies diverge further during puberty. So the underlying problem is exasperated by complexes that build up based on being in the wrong body and being treated in ways you do not instinctively expect, and having to constantly lie about your experiences.

The solution is, either you give them some treatment that resets the brain to match the body, or you give them some treatment that changes the body to match the brain. We have nothing like the former, even in the pipeline, but we have more experience with the latter. And even if the former were available, for many people massive brain alteration could be akin to death. In treating the body, we can do decent sex changes, and only get better at it.


It's not like being gay, which appears to be a fairly standard error in the vertebrate mate selection systems. Gay people aren't sick, the condition is not intrinsically harmful, so they don't have a pathology. Transsexuals do have a pathology, there is just some debate over the treatment.

>>3776968
what they will and will not fuck does not change them in any way, and classifying people by what they will and will not fuck is silly; they are in control of themselves. they can fuck whatever they want to.

insofar as invitro gender determination and possible connection with invitro sexual preference vis-a-vis the mother's womb becoming a hostile environment for successive male children, i agree. so what. if people are born with a predilection to murder blondes, they should still refrain from doing so.

Curiosity.

I don't know what else you would call imagining you were a girl tied up and shit, and getting raped .etc but purely masturbating to the female. Or rather just an overlap of the point of views when masturbating.

>>3776976
>. they can fuck whatever they want to.

and whatever they want to fuck is the definition of those terms that you claim don't exist. Again you're buttmad and idiotic

>murder
>sex change

false analogy

>>3776989
i don't believe in applying labels to people. you do. it doesn't change them. they can still fuck what they want to fuck, or abstain completely. perhaps they have a fucked up sex life, or no sex life, because of factors outside their control.

so what. they can still control what they do.

>>3776989
and false analogy how? whether or not you're tempted to suck dick, or kill people, you still have the power to resist, abstain, or refrain.

no difference.

>>3776999

Because murder is bad, and sucking dick is neutral at best.

>>3777010
both sins, both equally weighted (for men), both earn you a one-way trip to hell

i don't see the effective difference

>>3776999
there's a reason you should abstain from killing people (if you kill people, others are allowed to kill you don't want to die - i shouldn't have to spell this out for you but your idiocy in relation to sex and gender compelled me to)

conversely there's no good reason to abstain from sucking dick or getting a sex change if thats what you want (it doesnt harm anyone else)

>>3776962
>isn't it obvious that people who "change" their gender have deep seated emotional problems?
It is common. Not changing never solve them.

>>3777013

Any moral system that places equal weight to both of those acts is worthless.

>>3777014
you're thinking with a meat brain; try looking one step up. in 1000 years, it won't matter if you suck a dick or kill someone. and if there is no God, likewise.

same same

>>3776993
theres nothing inherently bad with those labels (you just don't have anything interesting to say so you thought you'd be controversial)

I label a guy gay because he sucks a dick.

next week he fucks his girlfriend. i label him bisexual. he gets married for 40 years and never has another gay experience. I label him straight. See. no problem

labels aren't bad

>>3777015
so, damned if they do, damned if they don't

if i were one of them, i'd look for a way out too; just not an hero

>>3777022
>in 1000 years

This doesn't have anything do to with this issue.

>>3777018
any moral system akin to "if it feels good, do it" is worthless

>>3777025
your perspective on it absolutely does

you ever wonder why transgendered people aren't exactly the staunchest of Christians?

you think that's a coincidence?

>transphobefags
>wake up tomorrow with a Kafkaesque wrong gendered body
>still perfectly mentally healthy in twenty years?
>even if nobody acknowledges their problem?

>>3777029
a moral system that states "if it feels good do, unless it is found by a court of law to sufficiently negatively affect other's wellbeing" is the best one.

>>3777023
labels are likewise meaningless, especially as you have used them.

labels infer that we are all not just people, but some sort of sub-categories of people

i reject that. we are all the same; we just have different issues, and a pressing need to deal with them

>>3777029

We aren't the ones who do good acts so that we can get high for eternity.

>>3777033
situational ethics and moral relativism are worthless, as is a court ruling regarding moral behavior.

try harder.

>>3777035
>we just have different issues

its the issues that are labelled. once you recognise the issue, you can label it without any bother.

categorisation doesn't dehumanise us. You are a fucking idiot.

>>3777038
that sounds like a bandwagon that you should jump on rather than dismiss out of hand

>>3777040
confirmed troll, unless you have a better alternative.

>>3777043
it absolutely does. "i hate gays" separates some people from all of the people, places them in a sub-category, and then dehumanises them.

that's exactly what prompts that sort of reaction.

so does "fuck all breeders"

>>3777030

They might not want to be members of a club that hates them.

Ever notice that Africans are not often the staunchest members of the Ku Klux Klan?

>>3777040

In the absence of anything like an ethical super-authority, we have to make do with ethical discussion helping us determine right from wrong.

>>3777030
whats your point here?

transgendered people aren't christians therefore transgender is bad? That sounds like argument from authority or something similarly fallacious

>>3777044

I'm sorry, I though doing stuff because it feels good is not noble?

Apparently it is when it feels good enough, though?

>>3777045
the only proper moral authority is an authority that is superimposed on its subjects by an entity higher than its subjects

higher as in the heavens are higher than the seas, not as in stoned forever, which still sounds pretty good to me

>>3777048
categorising someone as gay is not the same as saying i hate gays.

try again. no don't its painful to see you fail

>>3777052
many blacks would prefer dealing with the KKK over dealing with white people who may or may not hate them. there is something to be said about being straightforward in your beliefs.

that said, the Klan hates blacks as transgendered hate God

why do you suppose that is?

>>3777052
there is no such absence, only a denial

and denial ain't just a river in Egypt. you're in it right now.

>>3777059

Such as...?

Oh. You're Hindu. Well, we don't all believe in Brahmin, so if you want to convince most people that what that authority has to say, you'll need to use ethical arguments like everyone else. Unless you can explain how you know what Brahmin wants so we can all just ask ourselves?

>>3777053
not at all. people who revel in their sins tend to shy away from God, and for good reasons.

conversely, many gay, and i must assume potential or actual transgendered people, have been changed by a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ.

>>3777059
Euthyphro dilemma

>>3777058
good for eternity is something you should strive for

because the only alternative is hell for eternity

two choices, and it's hardly a you-pick-em

>>3777062

Because those who speak for god say that god hates them? Transsexuals didn't start this.

>>3777067

Troll. But Poe's Law makes it hard to tell.

>>3777060
you must categorize them as "other" in order to group them together and hate them all

open your eyes, and see

>>3777083
categorise =! hate

try again

I just gotta say, thanks /sc/i for being bros and standing up for trans people.

As the trolls, well, see you next evolution vs. creationism thread

>>3777078

Now all I have to do is decide which of the thousands of religions and millions of interpretations is actually right.

The Western Branch of American Reform Presbylutheranism?

>>3777074
If it's bad, how come god doesn't smite them

>>3777070
hindu? lol

why would i care what false gods want? i'm far more concerned with what the One True God wants, and that is a relationship between me and Jesus

or you and Jesus. He wants that too

>>3777088

>>3777080
again with the labels. are you so simple minded that you cannot accept that i post as i believe, much as you post what you believe? and to come up with a law about how to disregard people who disagree with you? really? a law?

wow, now that's close minded for ya

>>3777088
I actually thought this was a thread from a guy who's genuinely confused about sexuality.

but it's a religious nut who's genuinely confused about morality.

Shame

>>3777086
hate the category

categorize the hate

they go hand-in-hand; nobody has met all of the gay men in the world, yet many people beleive that they hate all faggots

see how that works? it's ignorance fueled by fear of the "other" that works its way into demonizing enemies

i.e., propaganda

>>3777098
Last time I did I got a three day ban, sorry.

>>3777088
nobody has put you down

to the contrary, i'm trying to lift you up out of your sin by introducing you to the Great Healer, Jesus of Nazareth

>>3777105
Homophobia doesn't stem from the categorisation, it stems from some people being frightened/uncertain of the pattern of behaviour that spawned the label.

>>3777089
why not just deal with the resurrection of Jesus Christ? figure out if that happened, and what it means for humanity?

i mean, a man really lived about 2000 years ago making all kinds of claims to be the promised messiah, did all sorts of works and miracles to back His claims up, including prophesying that He would walk out of His grave three days after He was publically executed.

why not figure out what He was saying about who He is?

>>3777109

>god made you wrong on purpose as a joke
>if you don't change you go to hell
>but don't worry, god will fix you after you die

Seriousness?

Well, my relationship with Christ teaches me that transsexuals are okay.

>>3777109
Sorry, I'm Buddhist. I'd rather find my own perfection than beg a magic sky man for things

I know some pretty devout trans women who are Christian though, not my thing but they've found churches that are fine with it.

>>3777091
it's sin, and His patience is growing thin. heaven was not made for such as these; but such as these can be changed into something that can live in heaven by the power of the Holy Spirit

>>3777102
little from column A, nothing from column B

i know where morals come from; they come from a just and holy God who wrote His laws on every man's heart, and gave every man a conscience to know right from wrong

>>3777121
We'll see.

>>3777113
indeed, with the assumption that everyone in the category performs all of the same acts

do you see how it has been simplified for easier hating?

>>3777115

I don't buy miracle stories told to me today by people who witnessed them.

Why would I believe a miracle story relayed to me in a book that has been translated, transcribed and edited countless times over almost two thousand years, written by people who lived at least a generation after the events they describe, relayed by third hand sources, that can't even get their own story straight?

Why would obscurity lend credibility to a story like this?

>>3777116
meet the real Jesus, and your mind will be changed; your whole entire being will be changed

the Jesus you made up doesn't work for anyone, not you, not me, nobody. the real Jesus is where it's at. accept no substitutes

>>3777120
those churches will not fare well in the judgment, and following the buddha will lead you to the same place the buddha is now; hell

think about it. you're following the buddha. he's dead. he stayed dead. he never claimed to be god. he had some words, some followers, nothing supernatural, nothing eternal.

no buddhist has ever achieved enlightenment; just a place in hell for denying the Son of God

>>3777131
No, the categorisation isn't responsible. hence why people who label themselves and other as homo/hetero/bisexual are rarely homophobic

the proportion of people who use labels for points of reference is high (everyone). the proportion of people who are prejudice is much lower.

>>3777148
Why do you come here?

>>3777139

I'm afraid you're the one who is dealing with an imaginary friend. My Jesus is very real. But you don't need to worry, he loves you anyway.

If you ever come to know the real Jesus, and not the symptoms of a mental illness or the devil in disguise, you'll know real peace on this Earth. But don't worry too much, when you die you get to choose where you go once and for all. I just hope that this fake Jesus hasn't warped your soul so much that you pick the wrong way, and end up in hell.

>>3777126
there's literally no need to wait. God is not bound by time, and has already stated what He will do. what God will do in the future is as certain as what He has done in the past.

He will not change His mind about this. however, He has provided a way out; repent, and be saved. just like erryone else.

>>3777153

Because he's a troll.

>>3777131
building cars makes road accidents more probable.

>>3777135
the story is straight, and the miracles were real. miracles happen erryday. you're just not present when they do. and the same power, the Holy Spirit, is performing those miracles today as He was back in Jesus' time.

wake up. you're asleep and headed towards Hell. do something about it. the only thing you can do. repent, and be saved.

>>3777155

Maybe god will change his mind again. I mean, he had one set of rules in Eden, and then he changed his mind. He had one set of rules before the flood, and then he changed his mind. He had one set of rules before Sinai, and then he changed his mind. And he had one set of rules before Jesus, and he changed his mind then as well.

>>3777150
i disagree; the percentage of people who are frank, open, and honest about their prejudices are few, but the percentage of people who hold same approach 100%

tell me gay men don't have a dislike for bisexual men and i'll laugh at my monitor and make chuckling noises for several seconds thereafter

>>3777161
>implying an omniscient being can change its mind

>>3777160
Okay the suspense is killing me. are you actually a bible bible that can't respond adequately to [citation needed] or just a troll?

>>3777153
to seek and save those who are lost

you're the lost

Jesus is the only way to be saved, and to seek for Him is to find Him

>>3777160

Do you wash your hands a lot?

>>3777161
the plan has been the same all along; only the parts of it we are cognizent of have changed. the mystery is, salvation was offered first to the joo, then to the gentile

it was always meant to be that way

and the system is always the same: obey God, and all His commandments

it has always been humanly impossible to do so

>>3777160

I witnessed a miracle. A man came back from the dead after being buried for forty days and told me that Jesus was not the son of god.

This is a first hand account of a miracle, giving you real information about the metaphysical reality of the universe. If you think there is any reason to doubt this, you must explain why. And why this doesn't apply to miracles claims made by people you've never met. And miracle claims made by people you've never met who never witnessed it.

>>3777166
i'm actually a bible bible

lol wtf is that

>Why go through all the trouble? To suck dick?
I mean, we ARE able to persuade people to do things for us because men think with their penises. So no, it's not all sucking dick (although I think, for MTF transgenders, it has to do with identity more)

>>3777168
i do not, nor do i have any other ocd traits

thank you for asking though

>>3777175
such a miracle would change the world, much in the same way that a 33 year old joo carpenter changed the world 2000 years ago

your story is false

His is true

see the difference?

>>3777174

So all Adam had to do after he ate the apple was say 'well, I accept Jesus into my heart' and it would have been hunky dory?

One wonders why god would let anyone go to hell, then?

>>3777163
Even accepting that, the categories aren't responsible.

saying someone is gay is simply the same as saying they like to suck dick. saying someone is straight is simply a different way of saying they like to lick pussy

saying someone is bisexual is the same as saying they like to do both

its simply a less crude method of reference because we are sensible and civilised

would you rather entrepreneurs talk of "building a night club for people who like to suck dick" or building a night club for homosexual people"

>>3777180
and none of them are satisfied

none.

>>3777177
bible basher*

>>3777190
I wouldn't say that. I mean, I'm pretty pleased

>>3777185

I'm not the only one who witnessed it. I'm just the only one who talks about it. It happened about thirty years ago, and the rest of the witnesses have all since died, killed by the church because they were scared of what it might mean.

Can you really say that people who died for this would have died for something that didn't really happen?

It's simple, really. The word of a living person with dozens of corroborating witnesses, or a book written by some people who never even saw what they were writing about?

>>3777187
so much fail

not an apple, the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil

you know, that knowledge that you still pursue today in the name of science; your ancestors bought you that knowledge with their very lives. created eternal, they became mortal by sinning, and caused a curse to be brought on all of creation.

Adam and Eve walked with Jesus in the Garden of Eden; Jesus is not time constrained, and He created errything. so no, Adam could not have believed in the resurrection as Adam preceeded the resurrection by a good 4000 years. Adam was saved by knowing who the real God is; but he had to die, as that is what happens when you eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

>>3777190
>and none of them are satisfied
Projecting!

>>3777191
dunno how you would ever come to that conclusion

lol

bible bible made more sense

>>3777204

>have no knowledge of good and evil
>do something evil
>get blamed

Absurd.

>>3777198
you are unsatisfied. you eat, and then get hungry later. you drink, and get thirsty later. you sleep, but must sleep again later. you orgasm, but feel the need to orgasm later.

nothing satisfies; nothing on earth, that is.

so no, you are not satisfied, and if you fail to repent and be saved, you never will be.

on the upside, if you do repent and are saved, you will be satisfied eternally

>>3777204

God did not tell Adam that he could accept Jesus into his heart?

He did not tell the Jews that he was one and three, the father, the son and the holy ghost?

It's just that you claim Jesus is timeless. Maybe the Jews had nothing to do with the real god, huh? But then, they are the ones that talk about the garden of eden, so...?

God probably just isn't interested in telling people what they need to know to get into heaven. If he was, he just would. And he hasn't.

>>3777215
because you're religious.

>>3777203
false choice; the new testament was written by eyewitnesses

lying about the bible? shame, shame

who fathers all lies? ah, yes, the father of lies

this thread is a hilarious failbomb

>>3777221
So repentance gives me neverending orgasms?

I think I'll pass