Neither.

>>3672051
You have to pick one, damn it.

Neither but STAR WARS... I can live in.

>>3672056
Starwars is way more childish and unscientific than Startrek. Why would you want to live there?

I would love to live in a universe where /sci/ is full of science and math threads.

bothathose nigga worlds got bigger problems than we ever will

none of the above.

>>3672063
this

Anyone build anything cool with your knowledge lately?

>implying they're not the same universe

Star Trek, no contest.

At least in the Star Trek universe, the strongest government is dedicated to freedom, peace, justice, etc. In LOTR, the governments don't give a flying fuck about you and the baddies can garner a lot of power/do a lot of damage.

At least the Federation immediately responds to threats.

Also, I could join Starfleet. It's awesome because its a hybrid military and scientific/exploration agency.

>>3672088
>implying starfleet would accept you

>>3672060

Because fucking lightsabers.

Don't give a fuck about anything else. I want my lightsaber and be able to fly across a galaxy in a few days time. Sounds like easy living.

LOTR.

Star Trek is old and gay.

>>3672098
>old and gay
I lol'd hard

I pick the one we have right now, it has a lot more potential.

And both lotr and startrek are ridiculously unbalanced, if logic would apply to those worlds they wouldn't look anything like the writer paints it

>>3672092
If I can get into the USNA, decline and later be approached by ONI agents seeking to recruit me, I can likely get into Starfleet. Hell, I might even get into Section 31.

It'd be tremendous fun to travel the galaxy. Also, the Ferengi would love me.

>>3672134
>thinks he can do a better job than Tolkien and Roddenberry

Star Trek, obviously. Cruisin' around through the galaxy would be fucking incredible. LotR would also be cool, and I'd love to explore those lands, but there are bound to be countless planets within the Star Trek universe that surpass the beauty of Middle-Earth.

>>3672146
But you'd spend most of your days on a starship anyway, doing research or whatever. Also, M-Class planets tend to be populated by huge scumbags.

Star Trek. How is that even a choice?

is 7 of 9 a virgin?

>>3672137
>If I can get into the USNA,

loled

>>3672161
LOTR has magic. And Gandalf. Not to mention those sexy elf females.

>>3672173

LOTR does have magic, but it's not something anybody can do. Wizards are angelic beings.

>>3672137

Starfleet Academy is harder to get into than any military academy that currently exists.

>>3672185
Well, Starfleet isn't something anyone can do either. So if I was going to live a shit-tier life I'd choose LOTR.

two words gentlemen, just two words:

Holo Deck

>Choose Star Trek
>Program Holodeck to emulate Middle-Earth.
>???
>Best of both worlds.

STAR TREK

I wanna blanda upp some alien bitches shiiii

>>3672205
Nah, it just isn't the same thing, knowing you can tell the computer to pause at any time.

>>3672185
To be fair, Star Trek has "Heisenberg compensators" and I'd consider that to be magic. Granted, it is kind of in-line with Clarke's law.
>>3672192
>>3672194
If Starfleet takes people like Reg Barclay, it'll take me. Also, it needs competent engineers. Seriously, I think children in the Federation use a force field instead of a bucket because everything is so over-engineered to be unreliable and complicated.

Star Trek, easily. Living in a medieval-like society blows for almost everyone. Have fun toiling 14 hours a day, shitting outside, and dying of dysentery. Star Trek is the opposite extreme - life is ridiculously easy if you want it to be, you have access to thousands of worlds worth of knowledge and culture, and there's holodeck porn. The only advantage of LOTR is that they have pockets.

>>3672194
A shit-tier life in the Federation is arguably better than one in Middle Earth.

>>3672192

>A little faggot like Wesley Crusher can get into it
>In either ST4 or ST5, some random marine biologist from the 80's can get into Starfleet

Yeah, no. I think everyone on /sci/ would be able to get in there.

>>3672200

Also, THIS. As long as there's no 'malfunction', the Holodeck would basically be able to reproduce the whole LotR world.

>>3672208

Suspension of Disbelief, mang.

Me, I'm more worried that the holodeck goes haywire about 70% of the time they use it.

>>3672229

Arguably? I don't think there's any question that a shit tier life in the Federation is 9000 times better than a shit tier life in Middle Earth.

>>3672237
That only happens on starships that see a lot of action. The average citizen doesn't have much to worry about, as long as they don't purposely disable the safeguards.

>>3672247
It really depends on what you value as a person.

>>3672237
More reason why Starfleet needs SANE people in charge. You have a tremendous training tool and recreational technology, but it's been known to outright kill crew members and can be authorized to become lethal even when it's not malfunctioning.

Also, Star Trek needs more fencers like Sulu (came before he was needed) to defeat the Borg at close quarters. Granted, few starships actually face the Borg in "ground" combat.

Also, warships. Starfleet "doesn't build warships" with the exception of the Defiant. BULLSHIT! Considering how often the Federation engages in some conflict or another, they need to build fuck-off huge dreadnoughts and keep them in storage until war breaks out.

>>3672265
>It really depends on what you value as a person.

What would you have to value for the life of a Middle Earth peasant to be better?

>>3672247
You're just not into action and want a boring Federation lifestyle. Good for you. Meanwhile, real men are seeking adventures in Drúadan Forests!

>>3672208
Perhaps, but its highly unlikely that you can emulate Star Trek on Middle-Earth.

So, there's that.

Also, one is a socialist utopia where every need (or want) is provided for even if you can't make it into Starfleet. The other features medieval-style poverty

Advantage, Star Trek.

>>3672271
Starfleet was changing its design philosophy during and after the Dominion War. The Prometheus-class is a pure warship that can split into three ships, each with warp capability, has computer-controlled attack modes that require no crew to use, and has holoprojectors on all decks to accommodate an EMH that can be anywhere he's needed instantly. The Sovereign-class is also much more of a warship than the Galaxy-class.

On one hand, I have to ask WHEN in Middle Earth I'm going.

On the other hand, I have to ask WHEN in the Trekverse I'm going.

Both are magic. I choose reality.

>>3672292
>access to a thousand cultures, a chance to explore the galaxy, and manifest anything I can imagine
>more boring than the life of a medieval peasant

Startrek every time, because I would not like to live in a universe that has: god, angels, demons and magic. (And if you don't understand what I'm talking about, read the Silmarillion).

>>3672287
A reasonably-carefree life as a Hobbit in a fantasy world that isn't simulated?

>>3672305
True. As the Federation explores more than just its own little corner of the Galaxy, they've begun to realize that Starfleet needs to be more militarized.

I wonder what the Federation's policy on marijuana is?

>>3672322
I believe they oppose drugs strongly

>>3672311

To be fair, "angels and demons" are really just the same thing. Maiar, that is. Valar are more like sub-gods of the Greek and Norse pantheons under Eru Illuvatar.

>>3672311

>LotR every time, because I would not like to live in a universe that has: Q, Species 8472, Borg, science magic, and discontinuous time anomalies due to a shit ton of time travel. (And if you don't understand what I'm talking about, watch any series of Star Trek).

Not that I like LotR better but both universes suck when it comes to super powerful-wreck-your-shit beings and "magic."

>>3672355
Lotr is way more fun, plus they have weed and everything is very beautiful, until some douchebags come and try to ruin everything.

LoTR:
Racist -2
Magic -2
Pro-Dictatorship: -1
Mythical Creatures that aren't Edward Cullen +1
"You shall not pass!" +1
"Bad" race is the one with the technology -2
TOTAL = -5

Star Trek:
Science Fiction +2
Bad Science -2
Pro-secular humanism +3
Science causes a lot of problems -1
Science solves most problems +2
TOTAL = +4

I seem to remember an episode of TNG, where there were 6 year olds on the enterprise learning Calculus.

And this was normal, that was what you taught 6 year olds.

That's the kind of culture dissonance you're looking at. What we teach in high school today was debated by Newton's contemporaries 400 years ago. You'd have a bit of background reading to do to qualify for Starfleet.

Of course, you'd also likely be able to help with some of the common sense idiocy uses of technology. I remember one episode where they found THE SOLUTION TO OLD AGE, completely reversible and safe, and it was never mentioned again.

Star Trek in an instant

Post-scarcity society and awesome technology. Gonna have myself a private holodeck and escape reality forever.

>>3672400

Well most of the time, Star Trek science problems can be solved by:

1) Bombarding it with a made up particle
2) Reversing the flow of a made up particle/energy
3) Blowing shit up

Star Trek physics is easy stuff.

>>3672424

"Can he be contained by a forcefield?"

"Well.. maybe if I reverse the polarity... But It'll be hard!"

"Brilliant Chief! Make it so."

>>YFW they aren't even trying anymore.

Star trek

Then use some of their HURR science to get to the Mass effect universe

>mfw it goes wrong and end up in 40k universe

>>3672384
>Magic -2
Magic is +10, stupid

Go to LOTR universe, free from Shitskins and jevvs and use your superiour intelligence to construct a rocket-ship and live the Star trek universe, except with wizzards and no nogs

>>3672447
That, would be amusing. On another note, I like the Federation's human culture. Everyone listens to Jazz, Opera, and Classical, which I enjoy. However, they might have problems with my love for KISS, AC/DC, Blue Oyster Cult, etc.

However, everyone seems to be trying to learn instruments so I could pick up guitar, paint my face, enlist Data into the band, and start a Starfleet KISS tribute band. I hear Iggy Pop is hanging out somewhere in the Star Trek Universe as a Vorta, maybe I could give him a call.

>>3672580
"This is Blowjob, the Federation's favorite KISS tribute band and we're gonna be rocking 10 Forward until we have to go on duty or Q interrupts us."

Q: "Picard, do you know what it's like to have the power of a god?"
Picard: "No, but ensign Anon claims to be the god of thunder and Rock n' Roll."

>>3672507
this

>>3672507
>implying LOTR universe has a capacity for stellar flight

>>3673019
jevv detected

I like star trek, but I always thought it was painfully unrealistic that everyone listens to jazz and classical music. As if Gene Roddenbury figured all the other music of his time was inferior.

Frankly classical and jazz music are bad. I dont mean like you cant enjoy it, but ideologically and mathematically bad. It seems like Gene Roddenbury didnt see it as a suspicious coincidence that the music he considered good and high class was also music regulated and controlled by academia.

>>3673052
irritated by a minor point

>>3673052
Actually there was a scene where some human adopted by aliens listened to what sounded like deathcore. Also some of the shittier episodes of the original series included hippy music and stuff. So I think he accepted that people have different subjective tastes.

>>3672507
ugh, i want to get off the planet you're on right now

>>3672047

Star Trek because space is way cooler than a faggot ring.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck-VIA1GUCY

>everyone on /sci/

>>3672065

Do they really? Because Star Trek doesn't.

>>3673052
>jazz and classical music is objectively bad
you sound a little bit crazy

Well like I said I think you can enjoy. Let me specify.

As music, being subjective, it cannot be called entirely bad if it still enjoyed on some level.

But musical harmony, musical perception, musical methodology, and musical instruments, like everything, relies on an objective universe. That can be objectively defined. And if you analyze things like music theory, as if they had nothing to do with music, youll find it all bunk and pseudo science.

Academic music, which I call classical and jazz, is just blindly worshipped music.

>>3673052
> ideologically and mathematically bad
>music regulated and controlled by academia

wtfamireading.pdf

>>3673112
You're wrong.

>>3673112
Interesting.
And what about people that just like to listen to it, without analysis?

Star trek obviousfuckingly.

I'd become Q and grief the fuck out of everyone.

>>3673130

Its true.

I cant really talk about it without elaborating into historical or mathematical details.

>>3673135

No you are wrong!

>>3673136

I dont think there is anything wrong with enjoying music you like without analyzing it. The music and instruments do their job at conveying the tonality they should have been conveying. This has more to do with the human brain using its amazing tonal and mathematical power to auto-correct what it hears in real time.

>>3673170

Then which music do you believe is Mathematically and Analytically superior to Classical and Jazz music?
Hint: This answer alone will determine the consistency and credibility of your argument.

>>3673199

The division comes about between just and equal intonation.

Just intonation, is the harmony used in the human voice, and it came about independently in almost all tonal music cultures around the world. And has existed for longer than recorded history.

Equal intonation on the other hand is a perversion of that and was invented just in the last 300 to 400 years. Any modern instrument you can think of uses equal intonation.

Not to suggest this difference alone is where the problem lies.

>The only advantage of LOTR is that they have pockets.

made me laugh

>>3673199
>>3673225

To elaborate.

Classical music is almost inseparable from the physics is operates on. Back in the day musicians were very similarscientists because they were working with raw numbers involved with harmony. And that shift in mathematics corresponds to the creation of classical music.

The equal intontation still exists in rock music, so I dont mean to say, rock music is bad. But unfortunately our music culture has only had equal intonation to work with.

I criticized jazz and classical, because its the characteristic of a culture of people who have simply obeyed what was done before them. There isnt any gas in the car but they still act like they are driving it. Its the equivalent division between science and religion (maybe an analogy this board will like).

>>3673225

Can you provide any particular instrumental class of music?

>>3673297

What do you mean? Can I provide an alternative to classical music that is superior?

>>3673318

Exactly.
But it must be instrumental, not vocal.

>>3673283

>because its the characteristic of a culture of people who have simply obeyed what was done before them.

Just because it's unoriginal does not mean it is inferior.

>There isnt any gas in the car but they still act like they are driving it.

The car is driving, you're just offended it's not its first ride.


And it's not bad because it's restricted in format, either.

>>3673335

Oh it has to be instrumental? Well classical music isnt inherently instrumental but there is indian and indonesian music thats better tuned and is instrumental. I think American composers such as Harry Partch, Lou Harrison, and La Monte Young have all made instrumental pieces with what I consider better tuning.

Thats a hard question admittedly, but I want to refer to a moment in greek history. In Greece music was not hearing sound. It was the study of harmony. And the applies study of harmony was using musical instruments in theater in poetry. Socrates, Aristotle, and Plato, all had opportunities to witness people begin playing music outside of the context of the human voice and they all shunned it. Some people even got banished for using musical instruments in such ways that were considered perversions of their original purpose like that. So, it is difficult to find a totally instrumental music genre simply because muiscal intonation, especially the one I am arguing for, are inseparable from the human voice.

>>3673361

>Just because it's unoriginal does not mean it is inferior.

I consider that bad to just obey without question. But the problems with the tonality is my main reason for calling it inferior. The fact that its spread through out academia and as a consequence all musical instruments and musical genres is just a disturbing fact which I will call "bad."

You can run a program to simulate LOTR in Holodeck 2.

>>3672450
Look at the name of this board and realize why you are wrong.

>>3673372

And why did Socrates, Plato and Aristotle resent instrumental music that transcends human vocal limits?
And why is instrumental music that is rendered beyond human vocal capacities and limits inferior or unwanted?

>>3672047
Star Trek universe, hands down.
Preferably post-Borg defeat, SO much cool tech came out of gearing up to fight them off.

Star Trek. There are some dang bitchy gods in LOTR.

>live in a universe where the laws of physics don't apply

or

>live in a universe where the laws of physics are so well understood we can do seemingly magical things with them

I think the Star Trek universe.

>>3673425

>And why did Socrates, Plato and Aristotle resent instrumental music that transcends human vocal limits?
>And why is instrumental music that is rendered beyond human vocal capacities and limits inferior or unwanted?

Well I dont think they felt it "transcended" human vocal limits. I actually dont think it was more capable than the human voice. Note that their instruments were simply, and perhaps just 8 notes, all within one octave. There is nothing "transcendental" about them. especially compared to the human avoid capable of hitting hundreds of unique tones in a single octave, and glide through them effortlessly.

To put bluntly, the human voice is the most capable musical instrument. Nothing is as precise as it.

I think their criticisms were that tones, without words or voices, lost their meaning, and it rendered the whole field useless. Im not saying this because I agree. I am saying it illustrate what relationship between tonality, the human voice, and music meant to these people.

>>3673052

>classical music
>bad

Pick one

TOS ere star trek. At least then the federation had a charming 60s feel and all the women wore miniskirts and brought you coffee. 24th century is just big-brotherish nightmare from which there is no escape.

>>3673555

What are you referring to when you say "classical music"? Would it be fair to include composers from today, 100 years ago, and 200 years ago in the same category? Composers from a variety of different countries too?

How could you call such a large and arbitrary category entirely bad or entirely good? I think thats absurd. Its like saying:

>organic material
>bad

Pick one.

>>3673461
>>3673372
>>3673283
>>3673225

Star Trek:

1) Everyone listens to jazz
2) Everyone quotes Shakespeare, and ONLY Shakespeare
3) Everyone continually makes analogies to how things were in the 20th century.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umL3v2ubVZo&feature=related
Bumping some modern classical.
If you don't get it, blame your limited brain.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/7279626/Audiences-hate-modern-classical-music-becaus
e-their-brains-cannot-cope.html

>>3673634

It's ok, but it sounds like it's permanently just getting started.

ST universe. the chicks practice body hair removal, and there is holodeck masturbation.

>>3673634

Im the same guy whos been criticizing classical music.

If I had to hypothesize. I think originally there was a poor tuning system invented. And that tuning system was used by classical composers in such a way that attempted to act like a human voice.

Over time musicians felt inadequacies of their tuning system and their music devolved into a kind of emotional web. Something more abstract that only gave off what might resemble emotion or meaning.

Since then we've just been going down a road where musicians are just going "Hey Im breaking the rules even more now and it still sounds good right?" pleadingly looking for approval.

The reality is the tuning system was always trash. And over time our music has just strayed away form merely representing musical harmony, towards being absolutely clearly not musical harmony.

You claim the audience is inferior, that their "brains are limited." I think those pieces are the equivlent of painting a dolphin with ultraviolet paint. Of course we cant hear the "art." You've designed the art in such a way that human beings arent physiologically capable of hearing it.

>>3673634

That music is the equivalent of shitting in a bowl and putting it in the Metropolitan Museum of Fine Art.

LotR, 100%
If i lived in Star Trek i would emulate a medieval fantasy.
If i live enough to see realistic 3D(like actually being inside) games i would still choose to be in a medieval fantasy.

I seriously dont understand how can anyone enjoy High Science.

Its like playing a game with cheat codes
>durr i have everything, medicine for everything, i travel around the plants hurpity durp.

On the other hand LotR is like a game on hard mode, beautiful and romantic and adventurous.

Fantasy theme is honest, its FANTASY not some pseudo scientific crap.

Am a big science geek and i LOVE science but i hate ALL science movies because they are all fake erroneous crap written by some fucktards who think black holes are gateways to hell.
Sci-fi is disgusting.

Its either REAL science or Magic.