we're a nation of retards who get mad when someone who actually works hard makes a little money

>>3639105
Reported for password-stealing jsmath exploit.

I'm going to agree with OP here, people in general are just mindbogglingly stupid. Even the smart people are usually stupid except they're competent in algebra and can write decently.

You have to understand that English is a second language for these kids. Imagine going to school in a foreign country without knowing the language; everything on the board is confusing; you'd even begin doubting the marks you recognize simply out of habit.

Also, consider that most teachers in this country are fucking stupid themselves / don't know how to teach. Do you have any idea how easy it is to become a teacher?

Finally, making the argument that minorities are stupid is ignorant in itself. There is no research whatsoever indicating that different races of people exhibit inferior genes. The reason why Europeans came to dominate the world was because of a more mellow climate / abundance of heavy metals at their society's disposal.

i guess you missed the bit in the film about schools in rich white area's being no better.

>>3639392

Then we can determine that socioeconomic factors such as money play no role. That is a good start.

>>3639357
>Implying Africa has long winters and no resources

>they're just dumb

prove your claim that everybody who had trouble with some test is "dumb", or stop speaking in absolutes.

Right now you appear to be a chimp.

This is /sci/ not /opinionsarefacts/

>>3639411
or race which was what i was getting at.

it isn't black peoples' fault america's a shithole.

Implying spoiled kids are supposed to be smart, but are infact retarded because they can't think for themselves.

>>3639428

So race and money play no role in intelligence of americans. This is great news.

>>3639428
>>3639428
Or it is because some, at least the ones that are on welfare, are taught that the government is going to pay for all their troubles, so why waste time in schools.

>>3639357
Nah, bro, there are many blacks in Europe and the climate doesn't seem to make them smarter or more likely to want to work.

>2011
>Schools teach tests instead of subject matter
>Classes for standardized test-taking skills
>Borderline retards can still get decently good grades
>Average people are geniuses for having attention spans that last longer than 3 minutes
>Smart people get socially ostracized or lose interest and waste their lives
>"High level of education" is rapidly becoming the norm
>These "highly educated" people have dick shit for creativity

>>3639454
>implying there aren't people like that from every ethnic background.

and i think you underestimate the drive of parents to get their kids out of these situations.

It is a sad truth that blacks and Hispanics have low IQs. This is repeatedly verifiable, and the low IQ persists or even worsens when you test blacks or Hispanics both in their native lands (where there is no "white discrimination") and in first world countries at high socioeconomic levels.

What does this mean? For one, it means that continuing to pump money into inner city schools will NOT produce any better results. You can't fix genetics. They will be in roughly the same social position forever. We just have to leave it alone.

>>3639357 english is second language
>imagine going to school in foreign country

Actually, the majority of students in esl classes were born in the united states. They are just raised on alternative languages at home, and because the esl curriculum is easier than foreign language courses, the students never truly learn english. Sadly, many of these students will forget english entirely within a few years of graduation.

>>3639485
We already had this thread at 5 am.

Please don't do this again

>>3639485
>it means that continuing to pump money into inner city schools will NOT produce any better results
So first you say that the problem is purely genetic then you go on to say that you handle this by dealing with specific economic classes

Funny topic, OP.
My experience:
>come to america
>apply for min wage job (wanted to meet people, practice english)
>employer gives us simple addition (like 3+7, 2.50+3.25) questions
>half of employees fail

Or
>time passes, still in America
>sign up for community college
>compsci
>have to take stuff like english, anthropology, speech class
>people fail some of these classes
>people born and raised in the US fail English 101 whilst I get an A
>people born and raised in the US fail Speech whilst I overcome my social insecurities and work on my speaking (accent mostly) and get an A
>get an A in anthropology, teach said that it's a pity I took compsci and not anthropology.

However, in my CompSci class I actually met a few cool dudes that were much better. Surprisingly, they were also white and the passed the class. The rest failed terribly.

I know, it's a community college, in order to get into community college, you have to pass high school. It seems like I american high school is turds rolled in goat shit.

>my plan is to finish my A.S. degree in CompSci, then transfer to NYU and get a bachelors, maybe even a masters
>mfw in motherland I was a mathematical failure and here I am a math genius

>>3639504
Well, it's true. And it's the real reason minorities trail behind whites and Asians. It might even be behind differential crime levels by race. IQ is a very meaningful metric here.

>>3639511

>>3639516
I don't know if you're the same guy from that thread, but I never had the chance to say this.

Either you or someone else said that this means that we must not treat every race as having equal capability in schools (based purely on IQ.)

I was going to say that this reasoning is fucking retarded. If you're going to base it on IQ, you have to base it objectively on the IQ of each student, not generalizations of entire races. You see those graphs? There is a huge overlap. for each one. That is why it has to be treated objectively for EACH STUDENT.

>>3639530
To add on, this means that you don't just go "Okay, all whites go to this class, all hispanics go to this class, and all blacks go to this class" if you're going to base it on IQ. If you were to base it on IQ, you would seperate the classes by different IQ levels. It doesn't matter that there may be more white people than hispanics and blacks in the higher level classes proportional to actual population size, there is still going to be a substantial amount of Hispanics and blacks in those classes.

>>3639548
>>3639530
I guess it could be set up that way, but the point is that this is the reason for educational gaps. It's not "white racism," or poverty, it's IQ.

>>3639597
You act like "IQ" is a property or quantity that a person "has" and not a measure of other things

The truly sad part is that OP misses the point entirely, thus giving further proof to it: America has a culture of stupidity which has resulted in their education system being one of the worst in the world.

It's awful having a lot of american exchange student at my uni, they are all so far behind we have to run special dumbed down versions of our subjects for them to take.

>>3639621

> state-run education
> shitty

Yep, you got it.

>>3639632
>In America.

That isn't the case everywhere.

>>3639632
Except somehow you get the opposite in Europe

>>3639653

Private schools are always better.

>>3639656

European schools are a joke.

>How do we get rid of the educational gap
>by making all schools private so those on the lower end of the gap can't even afford school, then only those that would have been above the gap count and we can call it successful

I find it entertaining that at American universities you don't need to actually pick a major for several years.
That's the FIRST thing you do everywhere else in the world

>>3639663
If you are going into engineering, you have to choose it right off the bat, otherwise you'll be in university for a decade.

>>3639662

> all schools private
> former funds for public schools are freed up
> massive amounts of scholarships and non-government grants

Sounds wonderful.

>>3639514
>It seems like I american high school is turds rolled in goat shit.

Bingo.
Also, anyone who is decent at anything when they graduate from highschool goes to a 4 year university, unless they're just trying to get their gen eds out of the way for cheaper. And that is part of what you are seeing.

>>3639467
>Smart people get socially ostracized or lose interest and waste their lives

Yup. That about sums it up. I did my homework and made good grades. And all of the popular kids looked down on me. The few people that ran in both circles that were friends with me told me others thought I thought I was better than everyone. Because I did my homework and asked questions in class.
People who aren't intrinsically motivated aren't going to do the work in these kinds of climates.
IMO if we didn't make attendance mandatory then there would be significantly less herpaderping within school culture, and there would be a significantly higher proportion of people who are looking to get their GED's. Taxes pay for school, so it's free. You don't feel like going? Fine. But you reap what you sew...

Although I have to disagree with you about the "Teaching to the test" thing. You see, states set particular educational standards. All 4th graders must learn X about Y topic. All 8th graders learn X & Z about Y topic, etc. (CHeck out your states standards by looking for them on the internet). This is what the state says students of a certain age need to learn by the end of the school year. So how do they plan to make sure students have learned it? Well, they have to test them based on those standards. So what are teachers going to teach? The standards selected by the state as mandatory for the students to know. Is this teaching to the test? I suppose you could see it that way, but what else would you teach if not the state-mandated (and soon to be national government mandated) standards?

>>3639663

Even though American universities offer the ability to not declare a major for the first two years, it doesn't mean that many people utilize that offer. Besides, you spend most of your first 2 years here doing gen eds, if you didn't bring in something like AP credits or dual enrollment/early college credits from highschool. Gen eds are going to be the same for any major. A certain number of math courses, a certain number of english and history courses. A certain number of "words" that you get by taking courses which have large writing components to them (usually found in english and history courses)...
The trouble is that in America, no one is entirely certain of what they want to do with their life, but most people are under the impression that they MUST go to college. Most people in america don't have a gap year to figure themselves out. It's looked down upon if you don't head straight for college after completing highschool.

>>3639692
Wait... What the hell are geneds?
You mean that even in UNIVERSITY Americans force their students to take useless courses that have no relation to their major?

>>3639701
Yes, its to give the glut of liberal art majors something to do. Theres a double standard of, its okay to be a liberal arts major with little to no knowledge of math or science, but you're a aspie nerd if you do vice versa.

>>3639701
"gen eds" = general education courses

So, yeah. Just like you need to have reached a certain level in math before you can graduate highschool, in order to graduate from a university, you need to have taken a certain number of math courses.
Remember, university in the united states isn't necessarily geared towards preparing you for a particular career. Sure, some majors will do that, and pre-law, pre-med, pre-vet, pre-pharmacy, and many engineering majors will do that. But if you're, for example, majoring in zoology in order to become a zookeeper, they give you no practical courses on being a zookeeper. You get no experience doing animal husbandry or training. That's where internships come in. Internships give you experience in the career path you'd like. But many internships require you to be currently attending college in a related degree program.

All of this is the higher education system, remember. It's not mandatory in the sense that the government requires a person to attend. It is mandatory in the sense that it appears your options for making above minimum wage are severely limited if you don't graduate from university or a technical school.

Technical schools are more geared towards only giving you useful information for a career like welding, or being a mechanic, and other such physical jobs.

>>3639671
You should check the current situation of Chile, just to give one of the many examples of private education failing to educate.
You keep living in your early 19th century fantasy, what a retard.

>>3639738

[citation needed]

>>3639749
Use the fucking google you retard.

>>3639757

All I see on Google is how great the private schools are compared to the shitty public schools.

>>3639768
lol you are a joke of a human being.
Educate yourself for fuck sake.

>>3639775

So Google is wrong?

>>arguing with Liberty

you got trolled hard.

>>3639777
No, your biased mind is wrong.

>>3639782

There is one story about how a private school has given 22 students free rides to finish their education because the public schools have all closed.

>>3639790
Yeah, that's how you build your knowledge, by stories, that's why you are retarded.
You can't even figure that out.

>>3639790
anecdotal evidence is an oxymoron
you are a regular moron

>>3639799

You told me to use Google. Santiago Times.

>>3639790

public education is heavily dependent on the local area. In many relatively wealthy suburban areas, public schools are excellent and often far better then local private schools, while in inner city ghettoes public education fails miserably.

>>3639815

I would suggest recruiting rich people to live on your area then.

>>3639811
Here, just because I pity you.
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&source=hp&q=chile+education+protests&pbx=1&
amp;oq=chile+education+protests&aq=f&aqi=g2&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=644l5136l0l5303l
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>>3639815

/thread

I am sure this has some relation to Maslow's hierarchy of needs. When you don't have enough food, or when you're constantly worried about safety, it is difficult to delve into learning about things that won't help you in the short term.

>>3639821
omg, really why you haven't be diagnose? Your parents must be very proud of you being capable of creating a tripcode.

>>3639829

The dumbest people are usually the fattest.

>>3639827

Which link informs me the private schools are terrible?

>>3639848

Reel 'em in Liberty...

>>3639848
Oh god I'm gonna filter you.

>>3639866

I appreciate anyone that gives up.

>>3639866
>>3639855
Cry moar libtards

>>3639870
You are dumber, the only trying to enforce neoliberal policy like the right one is Liberty and his bitch (you).

>>3639876

I do not support forcing beliefs upon other.

>>3639821

it's not even a question of rich people so much as the right people; people that value education. I grew up in a solidly middle class area (College student now) that had excellent public schools. The number of truly rich people was tiny, but there was a significant contingent of engineer/professor types in the area, along with a general population that strongly supported education. As a result the school system was extremely strong (and far better then the local private schools, I might add).

No man is an Island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the Continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friends or of thine own were; any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee.
John Donne, Meditation XVII

learn philosophy you scientific pricks. Not everything is a mathematical formula.

OP here checking in

this documentary is a riot. allow me to use some of that creative thinking that i possess, due in no part to my public school education. the idea that teachers can just magically insert knowledge and intelligence into their students is just flat out wrong. blaming teachers is analogous to blaming the authors of the textbooks that the students never read. you can't teach someone who doesn't want to learn. sorry, it just doesn't work like that.

i've wasted a lot of time reading noam chomsky and feeling bad for the average american citizen. not anymore. they're incapable and undeserving of anything more than a 3rd world life style. sorry.

>>3639999
It's hard for me to not feel this way too. I wouldn't mind social services if they were there to benefit me and people like me. But I always think back to the awful people from my public school years, who were exactly as you described in the very first post.

I don't want my tax dollars going to them, they can fuck off and die.

>>3639999
Quads for word of god.

>>3639999
Nice quads. There are bad teachers AND bad students. It isn't really a hard concept. If good student is given a bad teacher, he will learn a little. If a good student is given a good teacher, he will excel. A bad student will lessen the learning of a good student by being a distraction in the class room.

Right now, our only way to deal with this, if we deal with it at all, is to send bad students to bad teachers. If it were up to me, I would tear apart the schoolboard/bureaucracy(the school system is too top heavy in administration), rehire the bureaucrats as teachers, fire bad teachers and pay teachers more. I would also send "bad students" to trade schools if they are too far gone to be caught up.

we lost WW2 now enjoy your niggers and jews western world

>>3639485

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew_2G-jb5ek&feature=related