Is the LHC even running at max capacity yet?

I thought it doesn't until March 2012.

Or was it October 2011?

That's a very easy bet. No one is going to ever find the Higgs particle because in reality, that's God. You cannot find God with particle accelerators; you find God in your soul through prayer.

>>3620517

>On 10 September 2008, the proton beams were successfully circulated in the main ring of the LHC for the first time,[6] but 9 days later operations were halted due to a serious fault.[7] On 20 November 2009 they were successfully circulated again,[8] with the first recorded proton–proton collisions occurring 3 days later at the injection energy of 450 GeV per beam.[9] After the 2009 winter shutdown, the LHC was restarted and the beam was ramped up to 3.5 TeV per beam[10] (half its designed energy).[11] On 30 March 2010, the first planned collisions took place between two 3.5 TeV beams, a new world record for the highest-energy man-made particle collisions.[12] The LHC will continue to operate at half energy until the end of 2012; it will not run at full energy (7 TeV per beam) until 2014.[13]

>>3620530

It's called the God Particle ironically jesus fuck

the point is to understand matter no to find that fucking particle

Physicists need to live up to the reality that the Higgs doesnt exist and their model is incorrect and needs reworking.

not even the god particle exist

atheist infinite

godfags 0

Why are they waiting to long to put it into full power?

why are physicists so arrogant?

inb4 buttmad physicists all over the world

The scientists should have lied about it, now they look like idiots.

>And in that case, Congress may feel that even though its 1993 decision to cancel the American alternative to CERN—the Superconducting Super Collider—was generally met with chagrin by the American physics community, it may have been the right move one after all: to spend billions of taxpayer dollars in search of a particle that likely does not exist would have been wasteful.

Journalist confirmed for blatantly retarded.

Quote from the article:
> "to spend billions of taxpayer dollars in search of a particle that likely does not exist would have been wasteful."

Would it have been wasteful to have spent billions of dollars on finding that the particle does exist? How is proving that the Higgs Boson does exist a more worthy investment than proving that it does not?

If anything, showing that it doesn't exist would be a more important finding as the current majority opinion is to assume it does exist. So finding that it does not would cause widespread changes in thinking towards truth.

I know it's not shocking that a journalist writing about science isn't thinking about what they're saying. But still it is annoying.

>>3620530
You're retarded.

>create a 7 TeV accelerator
>don't see particle at <0.5 TeV
>Shitstorm
There's nothing remotely surprising about this.

>>3620601
Beware, he has a PhD in statistics.

>>3620613
I especially don't understand the author's reasoning because 7TeV is only have the power, isn't it? They gonna ramp that bitch up to 14TeV later on, how can he say the higgs boson probably doesn't exist if they only analyzed data from 0 to 0.466TeV of 14Tev???

>>3620530
So God is in fact only just a particle that gives matter mass. Huh. Thanks for enlightening me. And the only way to find the existence of said physical particle that gives matter mass is through my non-physical "soul" and prayer. Thanks a lot. These colliders really were just a huge waste of money, they should have just asked you about it.

>>3620547
when you lose your keys do you look in one place and then assume since they aren't there they must be gone forever?

the LHC will either find higgs or eliminate the rest of the mass range for the current higgs model. both take time.

That's the thing about science, and god bless Mr.Hawking, nobody wants to challenge the status quo or question what is assumed; people are just being people in the science community : acting like sheep.

In order for contemporary physics to move forward either result will do.

This negative result will, finally, allow the physics community to leave the standard model behind and start focusing on alternative theories. This is a good thing. You could even argue that it's better than finding the higgs, since the standard model, while powerful, still doesn't work for predicting many things.

The lamen often gets it wrong. Science doesn't move forward by only proving things 100% right; science moves forward by either proving something as either having 100% chance of being wrong or 99% chance of being right. If the model is imperfect, as the standard model is, it's preferable to prove it wrong.

>>3620634
fucking terrible analogy

>>3620551
Because it keeps breaking?

bet? what did he bet? his wheelchair?

BOOM ROASTED

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/46935

its quite a different tone, the previous article was a blog and more likely than not just trying to stir things up. from the statement about the SSC its clear the author didn't understand particle physics or the goals of the LHC. the game isn't over yet.

What would happen to a human stuck inside the LHC when they turn it on?

they would get accelerated

One thing I would like to point out here: They haven't proven anything yet. They are sure to a 95% probability. This means the statistical run isn't complete yet, and that they could still find it in that power range. Even if they prove it not to exist in that power range to a 99.99997% probability, they still have other power ranges to explore.

This story is just a heads up, to give theoretical physicists the message to start thinking outside the standard model, because they are "pretty sure" they aren't going to find the Higgs boson particle in that power range.

Also note: It's called the God particle because what it was originally called, "that God-damned particle," wasn't fit for scientific publication.