Soon...

If these chips are commercialized, governments will have to subsidize or protect through patents/copyright laws the knowledge stored in these chips by specialists. Otherwise, with uninhibited copying, specialists who do the initial storing of information would have no incentive to work or improve their skills in their field.

Then without specialists to charge the chips you'd have no chips.

youwouldntstealacar.jpg

brb thinking up a way to pirate these things

>>3265589
Of course there'd be a drive to improve skills in the field beyond what is commercially available. Just because everyone can do calculus in their sleep doesn't mean that you should stop trying to prove the Riemann hypothesis or anything. Just because everybody now knows all currently known animals doesn't mean you shouldn't look for more.

It's the fucking Quest for Knowledge. When everyone is equally enlightened, there will be a drive for more.

And imagine: Everyone who gets plugged in will no longer be stupid. Imagine if logic was made freely available and given tax incentives to use.

Imagine if the entire populace of the world knew and followed the rules of logic in their every day lives.

Isn't that worth spending billions of dollars for?

>porn stars sell memory chips
>suddenly everyone has the most amazing sex ever
>a new era of peace as everyone is too busy buying new porn chips to kill anyone else

I can't wait.

>>3265615
Imagine if everyone fell into the same thinking patterns as a result of shared memory chips. Imagine how creative the world would be.

>>3265615

This. A species unified by shared intellect. Minds working together to push forward science, mathematics, art, culture.

It would be a new renaissance. All that intelligence put forward to solve global problems, and then that knowledge being saved and installed into new generations. Schools would no longer need to exist, just update centers.

I'm dreaming of a futuristic sci-fi ultra sexy utopia of highly intelligent humans that can learn to fucking get along again, aren't I.

>>3265615
It IS worth spending billions of dollars for. That's why it'd be subsidized, because without government support, there would be no competition to drive improvement. You can't have progress without progressive rewards, and if everyone can just copy your skills without limit, then there would be no monetary incentive for you to improve because the moment you do, people will start loading up their chips with your knowledge for free, and then, in a free, unsubsidized market, all the employment opportunities you would have had due to your enhanced skills will only be taken by others who copied your skills. And if specialists don't have incentive to improve, there would be nothing to load up the chips with, essentially making them useless.

So the government would have to subsidize the specialist market; they would have to provide compensation in the form of a large sum of money to specialists; or they would have to enact anti-piracy laws against uninhibited copying of specialist knowledge.

Of course you'd have some people who, even without government support, would personally try and improve their skills for the greater benefit of humanity. But this would be inefficient, because of the fact that the process of improving their skills personally does not bring them any economic benefits. They would need other jobs, etc., to support themselves financially, and improvement would become more of a hobby than a full-time pursuit.

instead of having to buy a chip to use, wouldn't it be better if you just have a uplink to some network in your brain and the network contains all the knowledge humans have gathered.

OP's pic makes me cringe and want to scratch my head

>>3265581
hahaha

>>3265641
Memory isn't everything about us. We have our own personalities and presumably, the memory chips will only be saving skills and event memories, not ideas and beliefs. I doubt many people would want to plug in devout islam anyways.

And if the price for the entire world to be logical, intelligent and peaceful is a degree of creativity, well, I'll pay it.

Am I the only one to think this can't be a good thing ? Television isn't only transmitting pictures and sound, it captures your attention and too much of it at a young age destroys your ability to concentrate, and most people and even most scientists didn't think about that when it appeared.
>Flip the switch on, and the rats remember. Flip it off, and the rats forget.
>Flip it off, and the rats forget.
There's no way physically forcing the brain to work in a specific way can not be damaging. What happens with a human when it's switched off ? Suddenly you don't remember, but do you even remember that you were remembering something ? Cause if not, that's akin to some drugs' side effects, and that's pretty fucking bad.

>>3265641

>Ignoring individual experience and cellular automata chaos

We live in a chaotic system. My neighbor is my age, went to the same school as me, grew up in the same place as me but is nothing like me.

>>3265667

It's not as far fetched as it sounds. We just need to take a few small steps in that direction for the rolling snowball to start gaining momentum.

holy fucking shit.

the only thing i can say is, i'm glad to be alive in this era.

>>3265551
>Implying memories can translate to application that easily

>>3265704
yes, you are alone.

>>3265704

It's just beginning. We can't accurately predict what this will develop into in 10-20 years.

>>3265679
Government subsidies are already used just about everywhere today. This is a cause I would gladly vote for raised taxes for, every time it came on the ballot.

Scientists would become new celebrities, and heroes to the entire world, because each time they made a new discovery, everyone would know about it, everyone would understand it, everyone could discuss it and the impacts on the world.

Imagine if you made a big discovery and with a month, EVERYBODY knew that you were responsible.

For ages we have complained that science is given a backseat to television and entertainment. With this, science will BE entertainment.

no creativity and why bother learning when you can just instantly get the knowledge implanted in your head

>knowledge chips created, initially sold at extremely high price
>rich, powerful people buy a shit ton
>they dominate the lower classes with their superbrains
>they also probably buy out the original creators of the chips, so they control the distribution of knowledge

>>3265729
>rich supper smart rule the world
>im okay with this

>>3265729
>then laugh at /sci/ and the rest of the world that they can never get one

YEAH..no bad idea

>>3265729
If hackers can crack the CIA database, then hackers can get the blueprints to the memchips.

If people want something bad enough, they'll get it. And this is the Holy Grail of knowledge.

>>3265729

Has this already been made into a movie?

>>3265729

Technological development and markets don't work that way. Look at the home PC and apply the trends it followed and you will see what really happens.

>>3265719
well, enjoy your global Alzheimer's and ADD pandemy then.

>>3265727

How would creativity be eliminated?

If anything, creativity would be the spark that could make this the most amazing potential ever.

Imagine, you have the intelligence to do ANYTHING. Say you had a great idea for a new way to siphon power through geothermal. It would be YOUR CREATIVITY that gave you this idea, but the INTELLIGENCE of the memory chip that would allow you to realise its potential.

Humans supply the creativity, companies supply the knowledge.

MFW Spacetravel development improves 10,000%

>tech interfaced with brain
>interface with external tech, receive sensory input
>become the external tech
>BE the car
>BE the plane
>BE the tank

Goddamn. The future is looking bright.

>>3265765

>2011-2020
R&D
>2020-2025
Early models are released for human use. Extremely expensive and not very effective.
>2025-2030
Better models are released, still expensive but most middle class people can afford one (like a mid range car). It works alright.
>2030-2035
This new version is under $1000 and is amazingly effective. Everyone is now using it.

Every. Single. Technology. follows this trend if it's a free market. Step four has the greatest profit potential and so it is always the natural goal.

oh it's probably just some dumb brain on a chip thing they were testing, really basic stuff, they couldn't possibly
> The chip is capable of storing neural signals, basically functioning as an electronic memory, allowing rats to learn more and keep it in the devices.
>allows rats to instantly know things. It's amazing.

oh
shit

This is a terrible idea. When everyone becomes the same as far as intelligence is concerned anyone can do anything it takes all meaning from it. You choose and do. Suddenly skill and ability mean nothing, creativity becomes meaningless and so does knowledge. Diversity needs to exist for knowledge to maintain meaning. I mean this discovery is revolutionary but who will chose to do the shitty things in life when they have the option to do more with just a chip?

>>3265777

This game is the most accurate portrayal of 2027 in media, IMO (barring the necessary plot devices and dramatic tension). I can't wait to play it.

>Mass implant chips into people's heads
>Productivity skyrockets as people get accustomed to this digital knowledge
>Solar flare
>...

>mfw I saw this on /v/ then checked back at /sci/ and got confused

So yeah, when this shit hits the market, you guys better buy up as much stock as you can afford, because it's going to SKYROCKET. And then it's going to break the fucking sky and go SOLAR.

>>3265794
well, you might know everything SO FAR. but from that you can specialize in a certain field and, you know, advance that field.

this has the added effect of REMOVING what i call the "specialization closet". when a biologist is studying something and goes full speed ahead in one sector, only to run into some seemingly insurmountable problem that could easily be solved by some polymer that a very specialized polymer scientist is working on.
Cross pollination between the high specialists within fields often has incredible results. the problem is, we can only store so much, and contextualize less

>>3265794

You sound exactly like the luddites who argued against the industrial revolution putting skilled laborers out of work.

Roll with it bro, humanity strives to improve and we can only do our best to walk that path to a destination that we want.

>>3265800
>solar flare does jack shit because all the people have been working at it and arrived at a solution in three days.

6 billion materials scientists, physicists, chemists, and so on. All working on the same problems.

It's.... beautiful.

>>3265589
Fucking retard.

If you can transfer their knowledge onto chips, EVERYBODY is a specialist.
You don't seem to grasp that having skills at that point is no longer a marketable trait. Mcdonalds employees today could do that work tomorrow.

>>3265805

Might as well get rich before everyone gets intelligent.

Imagine being paid minimum wage with an IQ of 300. How fucking frustrating would that be.

>Working at gamestop
>Discussing theoretical particle physics with floor manager
>Customer comes in
>We all discuss relativity and time dilation
>All have fun
>Customer goes home
>Still make minimum wage.

MFW

>>3265810
You choose to be a fucking retard, you're born a retard, you deserve to be one. Period. World needs fucking idiots. Equality is a lie and doesn't belong in this world.

lol
>everyone getting way ahead of themselves

http://io9.com/5306489/a-drug-that-could-give-you-perfect-visual-memory

That was 3 years ago. Nothing has been heard about it since.

Calm down transhumanist fags.

>>3265819
Not everyone would do everything. Some people would do the quantum shit, some people would do materials shit, and robots would do the menial labor.

The only ignorant poor people would be those who refused to use memchips.

I just fucking hope that memchips don't require that you register with the government and have the proof of registry on your forehead or left hand. That'll freak me right the fuck out.

I'm in your reality, being the best thing to have ever happed

>>3265813
Right, 6 billion people which makes its meaning worthless.

>>3265813

...and then the alien galactic federation finally sends a diplomat to meet with us. "Against all of our expectations, you have succeeded where millions of species have failed. Congratulations Homo Sapiens."

>>3265828
>drug
>side effects
>non-reversible

I think I know why it never hit shelves.

>>3265813

Yes.

>>3265819

Do you really think menial jobs won't be automated using robots?

>>3265819
with the explosion in industry and innovation, robots would take over every minimum wage job, and nobody would mind a bit

>>3265860
7 billion people > Robots take effect, have 200 amazing scientists, engineers, chemists, etc.

Everyone else? Unemployed and worthless. Logic dictates so, people must be killed in order to preserve world, blah blah blah.

>>3265842
And then we say "Thanks dudes, by the way you're using an inefficient drive core, let me upgrade that for you. And yes, we can read your minds."

>>3265834
Greater numbers makes it greater, not lesser. Just because something is popular doesn't mean that it's worthless. Unless you're pic related.

I must remind you that:
1) This will still take years
2) This won't make people intelligent, it just makes it so that everyone has wikipedia in his head. Memory doesn't help you to be smart, only gives you knowledge.

>>3265860

Yeah I would imagine so. Scientists, scientists everywhere.

Although there would only be so many research jobs. Somewhere along the line, a job that is considered decent now would become a menial job.

The possibilities brought on by this are staggering, but it would destroy more than a few industries along the way.

Hello

>>3265875
that's a problem indeed. there will be a very rough period when everyone knows everything, but society is still catching up to the fact

>>3265883

>>3265875

What? The whole point is that technology will make us all equally capable through gene therapy and eventually direct synthetic improvement. The current system of genetic inheritance is pretty fucking far from optimal, especially for democracies.

>Come to /sci/ expecting rational debate of the paper.
>No link to the actual paper, just a pop-sci headline, and transhumanist faggotry.

Pretty much what could be expected.

>>3265884
I'm just very opposed to this. Growing up the one thing I've been the best as is understanding, learning, and remembering. I'm good at other shit, but I've stood uniquely (Well by unique within 2% of the population). This argues to put me on average with everyone and I honestly don't believe in equality. As far as intelligence is concerned. When anyone can be anything without trying life loses meaning.

>>3265893

>Expected pop-sci headline and transhuminism
>Came to /sci/ for the rational debate of a paper anyway

Contradictory statements are contradictory.

>>3265815

>>3265589
>with uninhibited copying, specialists who do the initial storing of information would have no incentive to work or improve their skills in their field.

next time read the post

>>3265891
Survival of the fittest. We're making it easier for those who are weak, not fit to survive, to live and reproduce. Their kind needs to die.

>>3265881

A single working molecular assembler, future 3D printing and advanced robotics could render the entire economy obsolete. People won't work because they have to to, they'll do it because they want to. Or they'll spend all their time in virtual reality playing the newest MMORPG, which is fine since they wouldn't be a drain on society.

>>3265893
University PR release.. Slightly better than the Jizzmodo article.
http://www.viterbi.usc.edu/news/news/2011/restoring-memory-repairing.htm

>>3265907

That is true. Then the question becomes how do we support the people that play games and don't work. Another question would be why?

Then again, if we get to a point where we have an entirely automated food system (from planting to packaging to in your fucking mouth) then we probably wouldn't need to support anyone.

>>3265898

It will just allow us to tackle greater endeavors, we have only achieved a tiny speck of our potential so far you know.

>>3265913
Also: http://iopscience.iop.org/1741-2552/8/4/046017

>>3265915

That's the thing though, those technologies would make everyone self sufficient. They wouldn't need support.

>>3265828
Look. The shit is a protein. And a fairly big one at that. Shit would cost a whole lot just to synthesize even, if it would work in humans. Then humans couldn't ingest it because guess what happens with proteins that you eat(and are not prions. So you would have to shoot that baby up in some muscles or blood(for a couple days worth of the effect at the most). Also you can't get it through the blood-brain barrier from the blood so actually you would have to inject the said protein directly into your brain. Now that sounds like a pleasant thought so you could see some pretty pictures in detail.

A neuroprosthesis on the other hand is a one time deal only. The neurosurgeon pops it in your head and from then on it's on wireless updates and energy sources. A fucking HUEG difference.

>>3265615

And thus humans became computers.

The beauty of this hurts.

>nobody kills eachother anymore
>everyone is helping the world move foreward
>explore our solar system in a month
>find cure for all diseases in a year

This isn't exactly how memory works. A chip won't have the millions of dendrons connecting the memory cells to the rest of the brain. Memory is a process that takes time to physically grow, solidify and ween out unimportant associations. The connections made are specialized for every brain.

That's a little bit of the science and the main problem with this chip. However, although limiting the chip may make it possible to grow memories at a extended rate if it could somehow encourage new, coherent, thoughts to be made. In essence speed learning.

Another issue is that people will end up having instinctual responses to subjects but not have the grey matter in other brain regions to understand what's going on. Case: Learning the notes to a piano concerto but not having developed auditory or motor systems to analyze or perform the music. Or not having Einstein's unique ratio of glial cells to neurons in the left inferior parietal area responsible for synthesizing information with other brain areas.

What if the chips were only sold to those who passed certain tests to shw they had innate skill and intelligence. The theory of passing on the ability to actually USE knowledge seems less likely than passing on mere knowledge.

Example: Chip has every math formula, rule, and postulate. Chip does not make person understand how to use all of the above, instead allowing the person to access it should their mind be capable.

>>3265551
>Gentlemen, we have entered the age of easily transferable knowledge.

This is first step, but still pretty far from transferable knowledge. Presently they can copy the patterns, but don't understand the code.

>>3266244
Wouldn't the next logical step be developing methods to ake people capable of understanding implanted memories?

>>3266244
>Chip has every math formula, rule, and postulate

Wikipedia does that already.

> crazy muslim wants to blow something up
> knows how to build a nuke out of flour and milk

you plebeians are deluded if you think you'll ever get your pig dirty fingers on technology like this

So, how long before I can hook my brain up to my computer with an USB cable?

I mean, this kinda implies that it's possible.

>>3266360
Welcome to the modern era. Was you trip from the ancient world a pleasant one?

Would you mind telling us all how you have traveled so far into the future? Also, word to the wise, we don't use bronze much here anymore, and the world is a sphere.

>>3266360
Yeah, and 50 years ago people claimed that the smallest computer that would ever be invented would cost half a million dollars and be so huge that it would only fit in your garage.

>Transhumanism is a wet dream, they said.

Fuck you, you managed to kill my optimism, but the future come faster than excepted.

I change my "it will almost surely not happen in my lifetime" to "OH PUTAIN DE MERDE OH PUTAIN OH PUTAIN".

Wow. The reality of this just hit me.

ONE STEP CLOSER TO MY EVE ONLINE-LIKE DREAM.

>>3265581
I fucking lol'd at this.

>>3265880
Most intelligent post in this entire thread.

>everyone calm the fuck down.

Perhaps you would only need to access the knowledge while using it. So for example, a person of any age could get into a car, plug themselves in, and drive perfectly with no prior training. Same with anything else.

Wonder what would happen if every single job could be done by anybody?

Some chips will be free; only the capitalist bastards will put adds in them; The most advanced form of publicity. Thrust me, this kind of thing will just make you more like a lazy consumer slug of a human being. I don't want that in my head.

>>3266408
Shit would go DOWN, SON!

>>3266409
>Thrust me
Gladly.

I genuinely think, slowly but surely, most of population would end up homosexual in the long run.

>>3266409
Not until you download "MotivationPlus: The ideal blend of creativity, esteem and drive needed to give you the life you see in the movies!"

>>3266408
I have this surreal mental image of a five year old on a raised seat driving themselves and their parents somewhere while giggling.

>>3266417
Can I get a fuck yeah? To fly to a foreign country, you just wait for a plane to land, every person on board is replaced by random passengers who then fly wherever they like. Perhaps operating air traffic control form terminals in the waiting area.

Yes, I have a nerd boner.

>>3266440
>mfw terrorists would have the time of their life.

i'm just waiting for the "social" memories, maybe then i can talk to people

>>3266448
....

Herp.

Wait, since when does

information Available to your brain == information understood by your brain

>>3266456
> meanwhile, inside the USA's new augmented intelligence agency...

>>3266456
Since never.

Which just means that smart people will have a blast while retards will still work at McDonald's.

I can't wait.

>>3266464
The plan: to make Mcdonald's employees slightly more efficient at their job.

The result: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssh71hePR8Q

>>3266468
Hahaha, oh God. Good one.

Anyway, anyone else see the possibilities in this? Suddenly, everyone can achieve the knowledge on how to pick up girls and actually use it in real life.

Um.....
firstly... pretty novel idea, just out of interest what did the rats learn? (Hopefully something meaningful?)...

...Second, would one persons thought signals translate directly to the next? (Would've thought we were a bit more individual, guess not )

...
Thirdly, and probably the biggest concern, If we still haven't even got half-secure Computers , would you really want to be the target yourself?

>>3266492
> mfw contemplating the trolls of the future

>>3266492
"We're sorry sir, but it appears that the Rick Astley song you can hear is effectively an incurable form of tinnitus..."

Lol people, this "cyborg interface" thing has been up since perhaps 1970' if not earlier and it was able to apply it on rats and some human emotions after 40 years of progress it got to more advanced version in 2010 which was able to apply it on rats.

Tremendous progress suggests that in 2387 we will be able to apply this unique technology again to rats only. (obviously exaggerating but got the idea)

And yes year 2000 will, ehm... already was full of flying cars, moon cities and mars colonies. Yes we've heard it before... Instead we are bailing out our dear bankers and feeding our endless military contractors.

But a good sci-fi though a decent lack of innovation.

False memories, Mind viruses, etc...?
Shit, people are unreliable enough as we are
=P

Custom universe simulation firmware please

The first seed for GLaDOS has been laid.

>>3266532
>>3266532
that was fucking hectic to read

>>3266532
>>3266532
I read that 7 times and i still don't know what the fuck is going on

>>3266532
I get your point, I think, but that post was worded like somebody of the black persuasion.

Just imagine the advertisement opportunities if we instead of a memory chip insert receiver and set it on automatic update with continuous advertisement transmission so that even when people are sleeping, eating, working or having sex they will see and hear newest advertisements. Also make such system to be compulsory so that people are always properly informed about potential threats by breaking news.

Wouldn't it be great!

>>3266616

i thought it was worded more like a frenchman.

>>3266629

we know where that leads..

>>3266630
Black people live in France as well, unfortunately.

>>3266616
Yes it is not the most fortunate formulation. Mainly I meant that there were so many futuristic promises said and "assured" that in 20 years it will be as common as a spoon but none of it ever turned out to be affordable even by whole countries. As an example there is the 1970' period when moon cities and Mars colonies sounded to be just within the reach.
Yet it's 2011 and we can hardly get back to Moon and Mars colony, well Mars mini-station is a matter of slight sci-fi. (it is achievable but no one expects it to happen in 2 years)

Very similar story is with this mind reading. somewhere in the 1970' or 1950' (sorry don't remember when exactly was it) in US there was a program for stimulation of emotions via electrodes. But since then got a very shallow progress. We can generate simple signal (like eye photo-receptors or perhaps some other sensing neurons also primitive muscle manipulation...). But as in terms of advanced signals like thought we still can only estimate what center is active. We can say whether a person is happy or not but we can't even read a simple thought (not even simple mind algebra operations). There were some experiments with several hundreds or may be thousands of neurons but that's not a proper brain - not even a mouse brain.

So it is impossible to achieve human memory implant level of advancement in the next 40 years. There are other methods that are more efficient and will do the same job.

>>3266670
>assured that in 20 years it will be as common as a spoon
>as common as a spoon

Holy shit, oh man i'm so using that from now on.

>>see thread about this on /v/
>>not on /sci/

I never asked for this.

Religious troll threads have more power than the moderators. Everybody's fighting for furfaggotry, and CP.

>YOU'LL NEVER BAN THEM

I'll never stop reporting.

>Want to troll somebody
>Swap out their work skills with 500hrs of gay porn
>They plug in
>TFW

>>3266697
THIS IS GOLD
I WANNA TROLL THE FUTURE

>>3266701
Or better still go Jigsaw on their ass.
>One of these memory chips has the door code on it.
>The other 99 each have an episode of Jersey Shore.
>Choose wisely

>>3266708
But I wouldn't be too cruel I would leave a gun with a bullet in it.

>>3266697
But that wouldn't work on engineers.

>>3266712
Lol of course not, that IS their work files.

>>3266697
>Take out chips
>Do not remember what it was you saw

Trolls are amazingly less effective in the future.