Funny if you consider, that actually he was the one, who failed at his job horribly.ta

>>2650811
>dumb lazy students
>TEACHERS FAULT HERP DERP

>Back in the communist days
What country?

>>2650818
yeah, he failed at motivating his students. Besides, he is probably a fucking loser, otherwise he wouldn't have to work at university, where students are lazy.

So he called you guys 'quite obtuse' as a nice way of saying 'fucking morons' because the administration wouldn't like him saying 'fucking morons' in the classroom, yet he says it anyway in his analogy of why he won't say it

that doesn't make any sense, and maybe that's the reason your class didn't do well on the test because he's incomprehensible and complicating.

>>2650823
Poland maybe?

>>2650823
Poland.

>>2650823
poland

>A-Level chemistry
>Just done mock exams and teacher was giving out the tests with our marks
>Calls the guy who does fuck all work out of the room to discuss his grade, a U if I remember correctly
>Having had this teacher for 2 and a half years He's never raised his voice
>From outside the room hear the teacher scream "GET OUT AND STOP WASTING MY FUCKING LIFE!" at the guy

>>2650838
the fuck is a U

>>2650844
an F in terms of britfaggotry

>>2650827
>>2650824
>>2650811
They guy's actually a really good educator, but he expects lots of effort and is rather demanding.

Results just in, 7% of people taking the test got a passing grade. I got a 3.5 (3.0, 3.5, 4.0, 4.5 and the highest 5.0 are passing grades).

>>2650797

i lol'd.

I went to a professor in person to arrange some administrative matter (exam organization can be problematic), since he takes days to answer an e-mail:

>Knocked on door
>Heard the professors voice
>"If it's a student, tell him to fuck off."
>Grad student tells me to come in (it's several connected rooms, the professor's not in sight)
>"The professor's not in today"

MFW

>AND RAPRACE TRANSFOM IS INTEGRA ZERO TO POZ IFFINITY OF EEDA MINE ESS TEE TIE EFFA TEE DEE TEE

Why do you guys have such angry teachers? Dear lord, I couldn't imagine my professors acting like that. They're all great, laid back folks.

>>2650818
What other outcome do you forsee to happen if the Educator had not done his job?

None. The only result of a lazy educator is the failure of his students, which is reflective evidence of just how terrible the educator was. If he wasn't lazy, his students would not have failed.

your high-and-mighty view of law and establishment < logical reasoning

cy@

>>2650913
philosophy major detected

>>2650913
I'm guessing it's because most of the students of these professors have been like the ignorant shitfuckers who are contaminating this thread, and so the teachers lose their pleasant, humane demeanor in favor of a bitter, cantankerous aneurysm in waiting.

sup fags
teacher here
work at private school
kids boarding
spoiled by school so they can skip class and nothing happens
ehhhhhhh money's good
anyway, one day in my second year at the place, i noticed that about half of the kids were either not listening or looking at their phones
my words: "if you come here, then you are respectful and you listen and you make notes. if you want to play with your phones, then stay. in. your. fuck. king. dormitories"
shocked silence
breathed in and out, carried on with the lesson
never heard anything back from school admin
never had that kind of shit from that class again

>>2650827
OP here. "The administration" wouldn't lay a finger on a professor in Poland unless he pulled some really extreme shit.

As an example, another story I have (wasn't an eye witness this time though):
My roommate's electronics lecturer made a habit out of quipping dirty, usually sexist jokes all the time, which annoyed the (rather few in number) female students to no end. Eventually two of them snapped back at him and said they're just gonna walk out if he keeps this shit up. He apologized profusely and went back to the lecture. Then, after a few minutes...
>I'm sorry, but I just HAVE to say this one. You know, it's a medically proven fact guys in Sosnowiec have enormous penises, that's because...
(the girls rise and walk out in anger)
>Hey, where are you going? The train to Sosnowiec doesn't leave for another hour!

>>2650957
An asshole's decline into being an asshole is obviously the fault of his peers, right?

>>2650951
But that's just one possibility. What if the students ARE genuine morons? Who are you to deny them the ability of failing even the greatest educator through sheer idiocy?

>>2650964
No.

But a non-asshole may act as an asshole in response to assholes.

My structures professor is Egyptian. He's an old, fat angry fuck who is amazing at structures but not so great at teaching.

He also used to be an Egyptian Air Force captain.
So naturally, one day during the massive Egyptian riots someone asks him what his feelings about the situation are. He gives this long, rambling story about how one day President Mubarak came to his base to meet the officers. our professor even shook his hand.
He ends his story with

"I should have shot that asshole when I had the chance."

well, I can't understand my linear algebra professor for shit...he is an immigrant from Rwanda or some african country you never heard of...speaks with a heavy accent...picky grader

>>2650992

Your professor is awesome.

>>2650978
So its his fault for responding that way.

>>2651017
He's the one responsible for what he says, that's always true.

What he says may be true and appropriate, if not nice, though.

Gentlemen, if you want quotable professors, look no further than Longwood University in humble Farmville, VA. There's a story nearly every week from the Math and Computer Science department. Hell, one of the Comp. Sci professors completely lost his mind years and years ago. Now he tells stories about how he used to kill people around the time of Vietnam. Once lifted a guy into some chopper blades to kill him.

I heard this one from a friend of mine who I consider trustworthy.

>Guy goes to apply to study abroad
>Paperwork gets lost in translation, assistant director tells him she'll be sure to get it to the director
>Director gets it but it's apparently not flagged as "Accept despite lateness"
>Director sends him a letter saying "Never apply to anything I am in charge of again, as I will remember your name for being so incompetent as to apply late to a program like this. I expect to deal with adults in this office, not immature children like yourself."
>His face

>>2650956
If by philosophy, you mean computer science, then yes.

>>2651077
Lucky you. My CS school only had two types of people:

-Hard-chargin' accomplishment freaks
-Former hard-chargin' accomplishment freaks who got tenure and decided to be assholes instead

>I'm finishing my degree in finance
>I'm not sure what title we'll have (Quantitative Analyst, Financial Engineer, whatever)
>Go to professor in charge
>"Pardon me sir, when we finish our degree, what will we be?"
>"Alcoholic"
mfw

>>2651468
Bad joke.
Try telling an actual story next time.

>Straight outta Compton, crazy motherfucker named Ice Cube, from the gang called Niggas With Attitude, when I'm called off, I got a sawed off squeeze the trigger, and bodies are hauled off

I believe we were talking about W.E.B. Du Bois...

>taking philosophy for lol general ed.
>Teacher says that philosophers "discovered" atoms hundreds of years before scientists did.
>Physics major calls him on his bullshit.
>he insists, quoting some old philosopher fag I'm not going to bother trying to remember his name
>physics major tries to explain the difference between the idea of an "atom" as in tiny building blocks that make up matter and an actual atom
>phil teacher doesn't put up with it, tells him to get out of class and somehow says this is proof that philosophers are smarter than scientists because "hurr we came up with atoms first"

In middle school I had this teacher...

>"LOL Martha eats shit on toast."
>"Kim, that's absurd. I know for a fact Martha doesn't like toast."

>>2650960
Crushed it.

"Some one who doesn't know the answer the question"

"It should be clear..."

"should be obvious to the most casual observer."

>>2650960
haha

>how many of you can visualize the fourth dimension?
>raise my hand
>put your hand down, the truth is nobody can
>mfw

>>2651584
Fourth dimension is easy. X, Y, Z, and color.

>>2651644

lolno

>>2650951
Speaking as a recent graduate, the majority of American undergrads are - I hate to use this loaded word that always seems to be applied to my generation - self-entitled. They complain constantly, don't put enough effort into learning the material, always ask for handouts in the form of homework answers, need professors to hold their hands through everything, etc. Sometimes when challenged they just need to ramp up their efforts instead of complaining to the administration about how the professor is too harsh or something. I attended a good university too, so I can't even imagine how bad it must be at lower tier institutions.

>>2651714
Oh, found the perfect image to go with my post. And I'm not even a grad student, I can't imagine how they feel.

>>2651644

bitches don't know bout my spacetime

>>2650951

You try teaching mathematical proofs to a compsci class.

>>2651725
>I can't imagine how they feel.
Aggravated, but trying to be tolerant and helpful.

>>2651752

Oh come on. You know what the man was talking about.

>>2651714

It's pretty bad everywhere, as far as I know. Maybe it's different at top-tier, but I'm at a decent university and if you try to go get help with a general concept from a TA they're too busy being harassed for specific answers to actually explain anything to you. Same thing at professor's office hours most of the time, which is even worse. It really pisses me off because there's no time for the people who want to ask questions about things that are only lightly touched on in the course (oftentimes my professor's actual area of research) because their time is being taken by students trying to browbeat the professor into getting an A. Some of us are here to learn, dammit.

>>2651755

compsci here. Taking math classes at a top 10 mathematics department.

mfw I know more than you ever will

>>2651780

Keep dreaming, kid. You'll go to code Java at some shitty start up and I'll stay right here and keep proving my theorems.

>>2651797
Already have a job waiting for me at Amazon, when I graduate this summer.

Have fun at your shit-tier school, by the way.

>mfw I know more math and make more than you ever will

>>2651762
>a student can do no wrong

>>2651766
As a long-time TA (too long), I countered this by never ever giving points back to those kinds of students (you know the ones, they get a 98% and want the other 2.) It always made the first couple weeks harder for me, but better off the rest of the semester.

>>2650855
>They guy's actually a really good educator,

Sounds average at best if only 7% of the class passed.

Regardless of what people think it's an educator's job to get people to understand the material. Fuck offs who won't pay attention are an outlier and should be treated as such.

tldr Even a mediocre student who pays attention should never fail if they have a good teacher.

>>2652661
>Regardless of what people think it's an educator's job to get people to understand the material. Fuck offs who won't pay attention are an outlier and should be treated as such.

See, this isn't necessarily the case. I did undergrad at a mid-tier kind of state school, and the real problem was the freshman stuff. Those lazy morons were catered to, and as such, passed into the higher level courses when they really shouldn't have. They then had that sense of entitlement, and they definitely weren't outliers. Yes, there was a small handful of students that were excellent, but they got drowned out by people that shouldn't made it.

It's why phdcomics rings so painfully true.

My old chemistry teacher was great. If a student was being too loud, or was wasting time etc. he'd get them to fetch the long weight from the stockroom upstairs. When they got there, the admin would take half an hour to find it and usually by the time the student had lugged this thing down the stairs the class was basically over, and we'd all share a big laugh.
Also we did the screaming jelly baby experiment. He ripped the head off an orange one, the body from a black one and stuck them together. This was an effigy of one ginger kid who aways wore a black tracksuit to school.

>mfw he made me get the long weight after hiding his packed lunch

>>2650909
loled at that one

>>2651644
I also use color

>lecture on laboratory safety
>prof talks about all the accidents he has caused in his life
>people laugh at some of them
>prof prof tells us that its always funny until someone gets hurt
>the laughter dies down and everyone feels bad about laughing
>awkward silence
>prof adds: "...then its fucking hilarious"

>>2651766
I don't recognize that at all. I can always go to a professor's office for just about any question remotely connected to the subject he teaches as long as he is in his office and not in an active meeting.
I've heard it said that this is a big difference between American and European university culture. Are you American, by any chance?

>>2652685
Dumbass here...how do you model the fourth dimension as color? I understand that color is just another variable, like displacement in one of the 3 dimensions you can visualize in a 2-D diagram with foreshortening, but I can't visualize changes in the color of the diagram representing a fourth spacelike dimension.

>>2652698
not him, but in my american universities, profs have been nothing but generous with their time. and triply so when you ask a smart question instead of "why'd you take points off."

>>2652685
as do i

I imagine you mean in a hue kinda way? Like i'm currently seeing in hue X, but a step into the fourth and i can't see hue X any more i'm now in Hue Y. Its hardly perfect but its very simple to see that way.

>>2650827

He called them that as a way of being tongue-in-cheek polite. Are you slightly dim?

>>2650958

Holy shit are you Peter Baron?

>>2652716
imagine a 3D space, at a point xyz you want to have 1 more direction (call it c) so as c = 0 that point is translucent, as c increases the color at that point changes (doesn't mater how), now say ou want to move from (0,0,0,0) to (0,0,0,1) then to (1,0,0,1) then to (1,0,0,0) . this gives the overall movement from (0,0,0,0) to (1,0,0,0) by moving in the 4th dimension. to do this :

(0,0,0,0) to (0,0,0,1) : color changes from translucent to red at that point
(0,0,0,1)to (1,0,0,1): red dot moves from 0,0,0 to 1,0,0
(1,0,0,1) to (1,0,0,0) red dot becomes translucent again.

hope this helps

Comp sci fucktards usually fail math courses, because, yes, because they're lazy.

The lecture is there to help you understand the stuff, but you have to learn it for yourself.
Mathfags do it, physicsfags do it. Comp sci idiots are so used to not having to work that they think every lecture must be this way.

ITT: lazy idiots who failed easy exams due to acute fucktardation try to place the blame on the lecturer.

protip: If I have a lecture that sucks I do not attend it and learn with a book. There's no excuse for failing a lecture besides being lazy.

>>2652750
Very helpful indeed. Thanks. If you have a moment for follow-up: is there any way to move from (x1, y1, z1, c1) to (x1, y1, z1, c2)? Or is that beyond the representational resources of this system?

(In case I've stepped on my tie again--given only one spot on the page satisfied (x1, y1, z1), I'm inferring there's only one spot on the page that satisfies (x1, y1, z1, cn) for all n.)

The problem is, the guy only leads a single course, and not their education from the start. By the time students reach his course they may well not have enough knowledge to do good on it. And getting a passing grade is supposed to be a sort of certificate of having learned what the course teaches. You can't just lower standards, since later courses are created with the expectation that the student obtained this knowledge (which creates the same problem later in education if a teacher earlier was lax). No amount of good intentions will allow you to teach a student quantum mechanics if he has troubles with calculus.

This is doubly visible in Polish universities (which are mostly public), which usually are easy to enter, hard to graduate from (huge drop out rate). It's a political thing (everyone gets a chance), but horribly inefficient (many hours of education effectively go to waste) IMO. It also means educators will often get sub-par students with the expectations to weed them out. And with a baby bust generation now entering higher education, entry standards get even lower.

>>2652782
*Meant as an answer to:
>>2652661

>>2652776
yes, the only way to represent more than 1 point cn with the same zxy coordinates are to imagine them kind of like a superposition of colors. that's why you cant use this method outside of your imagination.

>>2652794
This is probably the most interesting conversation I'll have today.

>>2652661
>Regardless of what people think it's an educator's job to get people to understand the material
that's complete bullshit, see >>2652774

>>2652661

>American sense of entitlement.

Teachers are meant to force you to learn material by whatever means necessary.
Professors point you in the right direction.

You're an adult now, so stop behaving like a petulant child.

>>2652794
I usually use a more imperfect method.

In my imagination, a three dimensional space is enclosed in/envisoned as a sort of cuboid (obviously possibly with an infinite volume, but fuck that, it's my imagination). Then, a fourth dimension would be a "line" of such cuboids. Many such (parallel) "lines" form a "plane", giving a fifth dimension. Then many such parallel planes form a larger "cuboid", giving a sixth dimension. Then you could further make an even higher-order line of such "cuboids" etc., yielding whatever number of dimensions you need.

Now, obviously such a Matrioshka-intuition has problems - such a being discrete, but it doesn't strain my mind that much to imagine transitional forms between all objects.

>>2652774
So being lazy is an excuse? Whew, i'm saved!

>>2652848

Stop being facetious.

>>2652841
Very interesting. So, if you have a moment: suppose I imagine two cubes next to each other, each with some function graphed in it. Now I want to use this to understand, say, a discrete change in c that leaves xyz untouched. How do I map the graph from the cube 1 to cube 2 so as to show that points a1 and a2 are identical in the xyz axes but differ in c?

>>2652855
You think i'm being facetious? So that earlier was just anon being retarded with her formulation?

Disappointment.

>>2652858

Yeah I'm having the same problem (different Anon here). It's great for understanding the function changing x,y,z over time, but that's not the same as a 4th dimension changing leaving the other 3 intact.

>>2652858
If it's a four-dimensional problem (so, a line of cuboids each representing three-dimensional spaces), a change in the fourth dimension would shift all the points along the line of cuboids - that is, they would move from one cuboid to another (say, next or previous).

>>2652881

No. What he meant by "excuse" was "reason". Being lazy is an excuse for failing in the respect that it is a reason for failing. It's not an acceptable excuse, however.

>>2652889

Oh I think I understand. Each cuboid would represent 1, 2, 3... on the axis, and the ones in which the 4th dimension intersected them would be filled with the 3-dimensional x,y,z function and the others would remain empty, right?

>>2652671
I didn't say they should move along if they don't know their shit, I said they should definitely know their shit if the teacher has to explain it 50 different ways.

>>2652895
In that case i simply must disagree. I do not at all believe that laziness is the only possible reason for failing. That's idiotic.

>>2652920

If you have a bad professor you teach it yourself. The professor barely teaches anyway, they just explain it once or twice and point you to what you should be reading.

>>2652912
But that's the problem... TA's/profs in higher level classes then have to deal with a shitton of people that shouldn't have made it to that class. We try to teach those people, but really, they don't know the prereqs well enough to actually learn what we need to teach.

We can't teach applied aerodynamics to students that don't understand the basic vector calculus they were supposed to have learned in a prior course.

>>2652926
Your point being?

>>2652920

In the UK we have about 12 lectures a week (at least in my university), each around an hour long. Added to this is 2 supervisions, between an hour and 2 hours. For a lot of the rest of your time you're meant to be studying. If you don't you'll fall badly behind.

>>2652936

That if you're lazy you won't do very well. It's almost always the reason for failing.

I'm trying not to patronize you here, but I seem to have to be spelling it out.