I thought americano was espresso with drip coffee

>>237159
Nope, espresso and water.

Not being a coffee expert myself, is there a noticeable difference between a latte and a cappuccino?

>>237352
looks like a difference in the amount of milk and foam to me.

How do you get the liberal arts graduate off your porch?
Pay for the pizza.

>>237352
The cappuccino is stronger due to the espresso being diluted by less milk. Also, the foam takes up a lot more of the volume so there is less to drink. I prefer lattes myself.

Even though science/science related majors get into quarrels a lot about shit, I think we can all agree that crap like Fat Studies is shit tier.

A graduate from the school of Hard Knocks says, "You're trying to get 2 million in research funding? I made 20 selling weed last year. Go figure."

>>237297
for the world's bullies they sound like pussies

Unless you drink coffee black, you're a faggot.

I think it's funny how pretty much everyone with advanced degrees in science, engineering, math, accounting, finance, etc ends up working for someone with a BA in liberal arts.

It's nice that we have your plain, robotic personalities to get the foundational work done so that we can use it to solve real world problems.

>>237124
No no; THIS is how you do it!

>The graduate with an Engineering degree asks, "How does it work?
Followed by, "How can I make it work better."

>>237412
It shocks me that people pay huge amounts of money for a small amount of hot water and milk in a cup.

>>237412

Coffee is for faggots.

I drink lava.

The chemical engineer asks, "But could I do it on a packed bed, with strippers?"

>>237437

My coffee beans come from a cats butt.

So if I understand it correctly, science and mathfags think all social studies are worthless and would be fine living in a world without literature, art, music or historical studies?

>>237437
I buy a 36oz cup for 99crnts at local gas station. I do not bother filling it with coffee I just fill it with cream and sugar.

then later at home I whip it into topping for strawberries.

>>237443
It would work better as a fluidized bed, I think.

Continuous coffee stream.

>>237440

lava is for pussies

black is for real men

>>237432
it's more like: "Which way can I do this with the least resources?"

>>237465
>jumping to conclusions

>>237505

>>237465
No, we think DEGREES in literature/art/music are useless. If you could truly teach someone how to produce art, it wouldn't be art, it would just be a reproduction. "Art" implies some measure of creative thinking and though it can be stimulated by a structured education, it can't be taught.

As far as history and the social sciences, I suppose some formality is important just to ensure good methodology and practices, but it still seems like a waste of years of schooling. That sort of thing could probably be taught in a year.

There are no jobs in any field dipshits

>>237431
That's why I'm getting my MBA after my B.Sc.E.
I'm not working for shits like you.

Someone with an accounting degree asks "How can I best rip this person off?"

The graduate with the Computer Science degree asks, "Can this coffeemaker run Linux?"

(Usually the answer is no, but I've seen it done)

>>237569
No, someone with a finance degree would ask that and then task the accountant to hide the results.

The graduate with a Law degree asks, "How can I screw these stupid fucks over again?"

>>237553
And you know this, how? Have you taken a liberal arts degree? No? So you are just bullshitting to make you feel better about being an autistic ass who can only work with numbers.

Btw, you're an idiot if you think that all art must be 100% natural talent and learning to refine the techniques with a structured environment and guidance of experienced practitioners is useless.

>>237592

Then he becomes a politician and just makes laws to screw over people.

>>237581

Thank you on behalf of all accounting majors.

>>237637
music major detected

super size please

>>237637


yes, all science degrees work with nothing but numbers

>>237637
That's very rude. I would like to speak to your manager.

>>237637
Just give me my receipt please, I have somewhere to be.

Oh no!

Why did I major in ECONOMICS.

>>237722
becuz ur a faget. i major'd in english and I will get a good job as a teacher when i done

>>237431
>Never been in the real world.

>>237742
You are easily believable. That makes the troll sting.

>>237637
I didn't say that. I said that a structured learning environment can be of help, but the ability to produce something meaningful and artistic comes from personal experience and practice.

Can you be an effective artist with no education - Yes.
Can you be an effective scientist with no education - Maybe, but it's certainly more difficult.

No, I haven't taken the classes I need for a liberal arts agree, but I did take the GE classes needed to get a BS in engineering. Those GE classes are about 90% of the requirements for a BA.

>>237431
Oh, that's not true. I knew a guy who was high up in marketing for a huge electronics manufacturer. He had a masters in physics. I mean, all those science majors have to go SOMEWHERE after they realize there's only a handful of good research positions.

>>237755
Feel free to check out the executives of just about every Fortune 500 company and tell me what their education consisted of.

Because I'm seeing a shitload of stuff that is not science.

My father got a masters degree in physics then went back to school, got another masters degree in music and eventually a doctorate in music. He abandoned his shitty physics degree to do something valuable with his life other than grinding out numbers. Enjoy knowing that your job can one day be done by robots which will leave humanity free to explore the cultural arts.

>>237799
>Makes a claim
>No proof
>Doesn't understand the burden is on him to show it is the case

>>237799
Well, Tillerson is doing well with his civil engineering degree at ExxonMobil.

>>237799
>>237799

Because science isn't about making money/fooling the public

>>237835
Ohhh, 1 example. >>237799 is pretty correct. The wealthiest men in the world are businessmen not scientists.

>>237799
>http://content.spencerstuart.com/sswebsite/pdf/lib/2005_CEO_Study_JS.pdf#nameddest=edu
So Engineering, Economics, and Accounting are not science based, as in a Bachelors of Science degree is not conferred upon the student?

>>237818

>implying art can't be done by robots if they can do succesfull physics research

>>237860
Then what's the purpose of this thread? It's mental masturbation that you're superior to other people because you make more money.

>>237878
Engineering is. Econ and Accounting are not.

>>237900
>Doesn't know about BS in Econ. and Accounting.

>>237818
I will make that robots. I'll be rich.
I'll listen to music all the fucking day.

>>237921
>thinks all bachelor of science degrees are science

>>237921
I have never heard of a BS in econ and/or accounting. I go to UCLA and the closes you can get is a dual math/econ BS.

Those are social sciences.

>>237818
>Enjoy knowing that your job can one day be done by robots
And they'll design and build themselves, right?

0/10

>>237881
You're implying robots will ever have the creativity to create art?

Also the whole of civilization hopes to eliminate all labor in order to spend our days creating art. It's been the basic dream of man for centuries.

(applied) sciences are for the aspies and autists who are good at repetitive, simple tasks (really, is the day that we can replace an entire engineering department by a couple of computers that far away?), also they're for greedy fuckers who equate their annual income with the value their life has

liberal arts are for people who actually want to explore the depth and meaning of human existence, and want to connect with the sheer endless variety of cultural works humans have made. In other words: they think of wealth as being more than just dollars

deny it all you want, engineerfags

>>237943
*closest

That Math/Econ degree is pretty cool though.

>>237946
Once designed and built by engineers yes they will replace your jobs. You're working on building your replacements now.

>>237960
That's just too obvious.

>>237818

>implying that robots aren't developed maintained and advanced by science

>>237967
>Futurebro told me!

>>237960

TROOOOOOLLLL

>>237960

You just don't know what the work of an engineer is, do you?

>>237971
he's right, you're just too butthurt to admit it.

ITT: Teenage intellectuals who don't understand what engineering is about.

>>237987
I know that it's nothing that can't be described in simple algorithms. dealing with solid matter and physics is easy, dealing with complex beings, like humans, isn't

OP knows that there are a lot of non-science majors here who just realized there love of science too late in their lives to act on it.

Why must you torture us?

>>238000
And you've proved his point that you don't really understand what engineering is about.

>>237818

>implying that art has ever helped humanity advance itself in anything but art

>>237960
>implying liberal art degree is art itself

Can robots do philosophy?

>>238024
>implying humanity "advances" and it's not about individual experiences

>>238000
Okay yeah, so where's the algorithm that designs a Jupiter space probe?

>>238000
>engineering
>nothing that can't be described in simple algorithms
LOL

>>238056

Or the one for the IPhone ?

>>237960

Your value to society is what society is willing to pay for you and your skills.

But keep telling yourself you are important while you are painting that portrait in that dark, cold, lonely room. Hope you can afford to pay the internet bill next month.

>>237124
I weep for it is true. DAMN MY LOVE OF MATHEMATICS! AND MY DISDAIN FOR HELPING OTHERS!

inb4 "hai i'll cure your cancer with the power of music literature and god ^_^"

>>238036

yea...civilization isn't an advancement because it's not an individual experience

space exploration isn't an advancement because it's not an individual experience

you are just another dumbass who thinks philosophy and art is the greatest shit on the planet

>>238067
>And then you think about all the brain-dead actors who will make more in a year than all of us combined.

>>237431
Like what?

>>237875
>The wealthiest men in the world are businessmen not scientists

Out of objective curiosity, I figured I'd find some data. (Billionaires according to Forbes March 11, 2009):
1. Bill Gates - Chairman, Microsoft - Dropped out of Harvard
2. Warren Buffett - CEO, Berkshire Hathaway - BS Econ (U of Nebraska), MS Econ (Columbia)
3. Carlos Slim Helú - CEO, Telmex - Engineering (Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México)
4. Larry Ellison - CEO, Oracle - Dropped out of U of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and U of Chicago and
5. Ingvar Kamprad - Founder, IKEA - Some sources say he never attended a college, other say he dropped out

Seems like a lot of the wealthiest men in the world don't have much of a formal education in any field. So, going off monetary wealth, it seems you're right.

>>238087
And that just goes to show that the graduate with a Liberal Arts degree is nothing more than a greedy fuck whereas the engineers and scientists are the ones working to advance civilization for considerably less pay.

>>238087

Those people (Linkin Park, Lady Gaga, Ayn Rand, whatever people are into these days) are backed by marketing/business majors who know what the public wants. They don't make pure art as much as art that is processed and refined by white collar types to turn a profit.

>>237960
That is funny, I think paintings are the enormous engine of progress driving our society out of the evolutionary muck. Certainly not science those guys only do repetitive tasks with no yield.

>>237708
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>>237708
>>237708
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>>237697
Fine art major here, can someone get me to the ICU?

Guys, OP said "degrees"

Science gets you a BS, even though science is an art.

>>238114
I know right?
What has science ever done for us? We should all be painting and writing, that'll show evoultion how it's done!

>>238128
Yeah, I'll give you a lift. We should call ahead and let them know to have the burn unit on standby.

>>238104
BAWWWWWWW ALL IS NOT RIGHT IN THE WORLD!
Doesn't your statement just show how one of the two is naïve and the other realistic?

I posit that since a given piece of art has different meanings based on interpretation, that it's value can't be quantitatively established and is therefore incomparable to the sciences.

Extending this would lead to the conclusion that this is a troll thread.

>>238150
No, it shows that the graduate with a Liberal Arts degree is nothing more than a greedy fuck whereas the engineers and scientists are the ones working to advance civilization for considerably less pay.

Liberal /sci/fags are butthurt as fuck ITT.

Electrical and Bio-Medical Engineer here,
Fine, say my work is just shitty equations requiring no creativity, but we'll see how you feel when your heart fails and your building doesn't want to pay $500 when you need a defib .

>>238150
Hey guys, the advancement of mankind as a civilization is stupid and naive, we should stop that.

I'm still waiting for the "simple algorithm" that designs a nuclear fusion reactor complex...

http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp

What's the fucking point in going to college if you can make just as much money without a degree?

>>238216
1. Generate random design
2. Simulate
3. "Will this design kill me" ? "Bad design" : "Good design"

4. Trollface

>>238245
It is possible but not likely.

>>238245
There isn't one if you think money is the only important thing in the world. Now get out of here and let people who actually care about truth (in the forms of science and maths) have their discussions in peace.

>>238245
Which would you prefer, a 90% chance of making $60k/yr or a 0.1% chance of making $1m/yr?

Numbers obviously made up, but there's your reason. You have the chance to become that small percentage making a fortune regardless of if you go to college or not. If you don't go to college, you don't have the pretty good chance of making decent money.

It's all about optimizing your potential.

>>238169
>>238202
Totally forgot that you were all about improving the world for purely humanitarian reasons. Wouldn't it be rational to be greedy? Perhaps you were, thinking you'd get into the right field at the right time, making money, thinking about yourself, being "greedy".

My problem is not so much that you think one is better than the other but instead the fact that you think a natural instinct that is the reason mankind has reached the point that their at bad.

Is psychology considered a liberal art?

>>238278
Kind of a gray area. Anything with an fMRI and that kind of thing is more scientific. Jung, Freud, and co. are more liberal art-y.

>>238273
Well, its instinctual to be greedy, except to offspring and such. Rationally though, there comes a point when you're not gaining anything from greed.

You have a nice shelter, no scarcity of food, convenient mode of transportation, etc, etc. Eventually all your needs will be met and you'll be perusing wealth as more of a hobby. I suppose you could use it to gather respect through social status and then use that to get the power to affect changes in various areas, but how many really really rich folks bother with that? You end up with shit like diamond encrusted platinum cell phones.

tl;dr: starts off rational, but becomes nothing but habit.

>>238273

no one fucking said it was purely for humanitarian reasons....they said that they'd rather focus on improving humanity

way to twist words around to make you point valid....you must be a republican

>>238278
It's a social science.

bump

>>237644
np

>>238245

English major here.
>English $37,800 $66,900

Why would I ever want any more than this? Go read Walden come back and we'll talk again.

>>238245
>check the list
>realise I'm studying aerospace

Feels good man

>>238500
Thoreau was a neckbeard. At least recommend some Hemingway.

>>238245
>Take a look below at our list of best undergrad college degrees by salary and you'll see that the engineers and scientists fare better financially. But, there is still plenty of money to be made with a liberal arts degree.

I lol'd

>>238500
Walden BROFIST

ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH

I chuckled at the last line of the OP.

except lot's of the time "hy does it work" and "how does it work" are the same thing.

>>238500
>Why would I ever want any more than this?
So you can install a waterfall in your foyer to make the panties drop right off of any girl who walks in.

>>238558
Hemingway ain't got SHIT on Thoreau

>>238574
>implying that a water pump and something tall are that expensive

>>238558
>/lit/fags fighting among themselves
>question why there are threads about the superiority of BS or BA degrees

>>238583
no girl is going to be impressed by that dinky ass piece of junk you built in your apartment

>>238580
Thoreau was neckbeard. He was also thoroughly unimpressive. You want to hear about an impressive ascetic, you look up Cato the Younger. Hemingway explores the passions of the man and the silent fears within us all. Thoreau isn't even an eighth as great as Hemingway.

>>238591
It's not my fault that you're not artistic or ingenious enough to make an efficient and beautiful waterfall.

Though, I'll give you that money works well as a sexual lure in the absence of other desirable qualities. So, yeah, I suppose a stupid, unfunny, guy with shit for personality needs quite a lot of cash.

>>238658
though it never hurts to have cash even if you're smart, funny, and "have a great personality" whatever that means

fortunately scientists and engineers are already smart and have money and develop totally awesome personalities from having a fulfilling career and being respected by their fellow men

>>238273
Greed is bad, self preservation is good. There is plenty of room for rational self preservation without encroaching or pushing upon others, greed is taking enough then taking more. The thing about science isn't so much that it pays well, but the fact (for me at least) that it is doing something that can help humanity as a whole, doing things to actually progress as a species as apposed to an individual. Sure, I likely wouldn't go into science if it payed less then working in fast food, but it wouldn't so that isn't an issue.

Sigh, my point with Walden is to live simply and do what makes you happy. Don't worry so much about wealth but worry about your relations with others. If you feel the desire to create through science things that will benefit humanity or you feel a love for things mathematical do it. Don't do things because you'll earn a larger paycheck or social fame but do things because you gain something personally profound and enliven others.

This thread is just pissing on anyone you feel is beneath you. If you honestly think art is made by the uneducated than you have no idea of the values of art. Unless you want all art to be garage bands and graffiti artists an education is required.

Go to a ballet, listen to a symphony orchestra, watch a foreign art film. Those tasks all require insane amounts of education. The best way I can express this is the man who played the piano so amazingly a woman approached him and said "I would give my life to play like that." and he answered her "I have." You all seem to misunderstand that anyone who picks up a guitar can be a world class artist without training. Pure stupidity.

We're all here together to make ourselves and the world a better place, let's not forget that.

>>238717
I worry about wealth because it affects my relations with others, bro.