>This is not a religion vs science thread

yes it is, sage

About the picture...

What the fuck?

>>1320920
No, it's really not. It's a discussion on textbook regulation.

not again...

the fuck

This shit was taught ??!!

I want you guys to check out the Politically Incorrect Guide to Darwinism and Evolution.

http://www.amazon.com/Politically-Incorrect-Darwinism-Intelligent-Design/dp/1596980133/ref=sr_1_3?ie
=UTF8&s=books&qid=1278115749&sr=8-3

Check out the Bible while you're at it.

http://www.amazon.com/Politically-Incorrect-Guide-Bible-Guides/dp/1596985208/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&
s=books&qid=1278115749&sr=8-1

You'll love it.

>>1321250
America is so fucked.

there should be a book burning

bibles and this fucking book must be destroyed

>>1321250
Every single one of those in the series made me want to cry.

Holy fucking shit.

OP do you have link for scans of said book

>>1320912

Wow that's really informative. Is the next page about fuckin magnets?

>>1321234
This shit IS taught, to at least a million students in the country.

Hello class!
It's the year 2050 and today we're going to learn about a thing called phlogiston!

We of /sci/ should write a parody textbook. We could set up a wiki in which we all write inane tripe in the style of modern textbooks. You know, big pictures that don't really have anything to do with the subject, lists of "real-world applications" for every idea, pointless questions and exercises that are written to look like they're supposed to make students think but never require any actual thought. The Christian version will have Bible verses in every section and occasional random criticism of evolution, the big bang theory, and anything that doesn't agree with their dogma. If we get enough bullshit text written, those of us who are interested can have a vanity publisher print a few copies for cheap, and pitch them to Christian and secular schools with a hidden camera.

Cannot say what electricity itself is like? Bollocks. I've met him. The following is my story:

"Hello?" Nothing, just static on the line. "Hello."

A crackly voice answered "Yes, hello, I'm here."

"Hi, is this electricity?"

"Well, yes, but it's E. Lectricity. I fail to understand why few people have the capacity to understand it. Just a little inductive reasoning would show that any normal fellow should be able to gather that I have a normal, full name. I face a lot of resistance trying to change that conception, so I've given up. But I digress. How may I help you?"

"Sorry," I hesitated, unsure if my needs had the potential to go forward, "it's just that my friend said that you could make things happen."

He chuckled softly, "Why yes, I can. I'm sure friends like Ben and Kirchoff have summarily shown that. I'll tell you what. Let's meet at a little place called 'The Source.' Go inside and take the elevator to ground. There's a nice little table in the back. See you in 15 minutes."

The ducks on the pelican bay called and they want their library books back.

"Wow..ok, sure!" I was ohmestly surprised he had been that quick to hold up to my charge of help so quickly. I had heard about the place he referenced. It was the place that all the current intellectuals of our city frequented. I had to get going, but walking the entire circuit would be good exercise for me.

When I arrived, he was already sitting at the table, eyes a cool blue with a quick smile. His appearance shocked me. I expected a man more worn looking, but he looked like he had the potential to do anything I could want. "Good to finally meet you boy. Now what can I do for you?"

"Well, it's not just me. It's my friends too. Faradam, he'd like a portable stereo. Henry, well, he wants a... uh... he wants a personal massager for his lady." He re-coiled. First I thought of disgust, but the waitress had simply spilled some water on our table.

It's an economic problem more often than not. Kids' families can't afford to pay for the best and the schools can't afford it themselves, so they have to settle for some shittier ones.

95% of the population doesn't understand what electricity is anyway so doesn't matter much if the scientific institution and university science courses are kept the same.

>>1321250
ALL OF MY RAGE

"Me, I'd like a portable game console."

"All fine," he said. "Anything else?"

"Well, there's one last friend, Vin. He wants a user replaceable battery for his iPhone."

The table began oscillating. He was visibly angry. It was if his discomfort was arching into me, as I soon became upset too. However, he calmed and composed himself. With a reserved smile he said, "TheVenin can get in line, because I'd fucking like one too."

Parents teaching kids this bullshit is a form of child abuse.
There should be strict regulation to prevent this.

Also textbooks should be completely factual and should reflect the ideas of the current scientific community.

When you say BJU...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Jones_University

>>1322117
>>1322128
I see what you did there.

What the fuck I was just trolling with this pic and now I see it's a legit discussion topic?

> BJU degree
> Any alley I want
> 50$ slurping

From the people who brought you racial segregation in 2000, it's:
"Fucking electricity, how does it work?"

>>1322128
>ohmestly
this is where the puns went from bad to worst

>>1322642
an honest typo.
I liked inductive and potential.

>>1320944

Which has fuck all to do with science. Good day.

Currently in a science education program. We talk about this a fair amount, and frankly, there's not a lot that can be done about homeschooling. Textbook decisions are made on a state level or district, so sadly, in bible belt states, you might end up with shit like this.

The only thing you can do is spread the knowledge yourself. Teachers are being banned from teaching real science in the name of fundamentalism and standardized test scores, and the result is a public that is far behind the rest of the civilized world.

If you have any younger cousins, anyone at all, teach them science. It's gotten to the point where you really can't depend on schools to effectively give students anything.

Sounds like "Look Around You"

Bob Jones sounds like a very erudite, well mannered man. Doesn't sound like a racist redneck whatsoever, oh no, surely not.

>>1320912

another sad one

one more

>>1322751
Ouch.

>>1320912
I am sorry but why, in the land of the lawsuit, has there never been a giant case against homeschooling and the bad public schools? I mean if McDonalds had to pay for that coffee, why can't you sue the public schoolboard for ruining your complete life? You could have been a scientist or a brilliant engineer and make lots of money. Instead you are stuck somewhere were "eletricity is a mystery" isn't a shortcoming....

Is this actually a university? Or is it just called that, seriously does anyone recognize this institution as a university?

its fine really.

the homeschooled kids reading this won't get anywhere in life, and they're end up doing all the shit jobs that makes our lives possible.

>>1322776
Who are homeschoolers to sue? Their parents? And they can always argue that not learning science is part of their religion and therefore protected by the first amendment.

>>1322760
Jesus Christ, this one makes me want to fucking shoot myself... INVERSE SQUARE LAW MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU KNOW IT?

>>1320912
SAGE BOMB INITIATED...

Really. Really. Someone hasn't taken the lowest level of Physics possible. Really don't we learn about electrons and electricity in like 5th grade?

0/10

>>1322798
Is the troll picture ironic?

>>1322798
Just install 4watch or something; sagebombing doesn't do anything but annoy people.

http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/63092

>>1322760

IF MY RAGE COULD BE TAPPED AS A SOURCE OF POWER, IT COULD FUEL ALL OF THE INDUSTRIAL NATIONS ON EARTH FOR THE NEXT 1000 YEARS

STOP SHITTING UP /SCI/!

0/10

keep your religious shit outta /sci/

there is no fucking way this place is recognized as a university, me calling myself a university doesn't make me one

>>1322760

Did they not even look at that picture? It looks like the moon is going to crash into us any second now.

>>1322810
TROLL!

Hypothetically, if I were to get a science degree at this institution of retardation what careers would I be looking at?

>>1322857
Maybe a science teacher at a protestant Christian school? Or McDonalds.

>>1322857

A lucrative position as a political advisor.

>>1322857
If you're lucky you could apply as a Jugglo

Do they offer a degree in magnets?

another

here is their website. You can access any of their books and look at a preview chapter. I have a doozy open now

http://www.bjupress.com/product/215533?path=3538&samplePage=19#lookInside

>>1322870
...and these textbooks are distributed in classrooms?

I just got a masters from Bob Jones. Next up is my PhD, with a post doc on Chemistry and the holy spirit inside the atom.

>>1322870
Christians: 1
Scientism: 0

the supremely retarded court has held that freedom of speech and religion and whatnot gives parents and schools the power to teach children absolute bollocks if they so desire.

>>1322877
that would be my guess. It is likely to Christian schools, as well as home schooling.

Otherwise there would be no market.

>>1322870
this is an insult to the human mind

>>1322889
Don't blame freedom of speech for this retardation, if it wasn't for the freedom of speech we'd still be calling this shit fact, remember what happened to Galileo.

>>1322904
it appears that survival of the fittest may be relevant if this misinformation is continually taught. Good news for us!

>>1322919

They breed faster than we do, dumbass.

Toastin in a broll thread

>>1322904
i'm not blaming freedom of speech, i'm blaming your mom

>>1322935

Sick burn, brah.

So much mad.

Okay, if this shit bothers everybody so much, then why are the creationists wrong? I mean, I understand that the basis for their thinking is wrong, but I don't always understand why the conclusion is wrong. People who know this kind of thing need to explain it better, and not just say "oh, you're wrong" If you expect anyone to listen to you, you have to give them a reason.

>>1322996

Because if they are too stupid to actively attempt to understand proven and well-document scientific understanding of natural processes and then come up with bullshit pseudo-scientific "alternative" theories, burden of proof falls on them.

lern2argue

>>1322996

What reason can you possibly give to a person who accepts a 2,000 year old book as the indisputable truth?

>>1323036
"Never try to reason the prejudice out of a man. It was not reasoned into him, and cannot be reasoned out."
- Sidney Smith

Oh please let this be a troll. Don't let this be real.

Slycics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

let them put horse shit in school books.
they are only freaking out about their impending irrelevance. by 2050 whites will become a minority. they see the future, they are just scared.

banning dumb assery will just get them worked up and carrying guns to political rallies, let them have their silly stories if it makes their last few years happier.

>>1322996 I understand that the basis for their thinking is wrong, but I don't always understand why the conclusion is wrong. People who know this kind of thing need to explain it better,

Well then, you aren't very intelligent if you need us to explain to you why this obvious bullshit is bullshit. If somebody claims that the sun is the source of all electricity, I'm not going to waste my fucking time pointing out why that's totally retarded, I'm just going to laugh at whoever's cock-garglingly crazy enough to believe it.

>>1324782

and what do we do when they become the proud and aggressive majority that they already are?

>>1324819
Fire and forget.

>>1324822
fire what exactly, and at who?
proper instructions, man!

Goddamn... fuck! Bob Jones University.... it's in South Carolina, that's where I live. My second cousins are going there.

If the civilized world someday decides to just neutron bomb this shit, I'd welcome it...

>>1320912
i like that a textbook from BJU an institution that claims to educate post high school adults has textbooks that look like they are written for 2nd graders. Look at that thing, even baring the mind-numbingly stupid factual claims, it reads like it is written for the mildly retarded.

>>1324751
You think the immigrants are jumping onto secular humanism? No, they are either Catholic, Buddhist/Hindu or Muslim. You'll get no where with them.

>>1324782
So, all you can think to do is tell him he's dumb because he wants you to give a better explanation of what you believe?

You cannot call someone stupid or call bullshit on what they believe and then say that they are too dumb to understand what you believe.

>>1325314
Assuming that it's this text,
>http://www.bjupress.com/product/239145?path=2139
it's written for 4th graders, not college students.

>>1325404
Either way, it sounds a little too biased.
They can teach their beliefs to their children, but they need to prepare them more for dealing with the real world.

A kid shows up and says what he read in those books, he'll be eaten alive.
They should teach both theories to prepare the children for going out into the world.

Why... Why does this even EXIST!

>>1325315
as some as they get some money in their pockets they'll forget all about that sky-man shit.
economic development = less radical fairy tales

>>1325684
And that is completely backed up by the US.

Simple concept really. Consider bears. Every species of bear we know of is dangerous and will kill humans at the slightest provocation. Every species of bear except a branched off subspecies that has adapted to eating nothing but bamboo shoots politely. Coincidence? I think not. What's not clear to me is the mechanism. In other words can munching meat in of itself trigger some complex hormonal chain reaction in mammals whereas lack of meat just scales back the aggressiveness? Or is it the more obvious correlation where having to hunt prey naturally favors an alpha male type of psycho bear? And more importantly what effect does meat have on humans?

>>1325720

Ignore. I wanted to make a new thread

>>1325727
why does weak shit like this ever get the balls to show it's slope-browed, fetal alcohol syndrome face around /sci/?

>>1325716
as a country america is an exception. but if you break it down by state you'll get back to what im saying.

>>1325758

Reflexive butthurt syndrome much?

>>1325758
If that is true, why do so many rich people claim to believe in a god?

>>1325720
>Every species of bear we know of is dangerous and will kill humans at the slightest provocation.

That's American bears.

In Europe we have bears that are more pussy than berry eating birds.

>>1325796

I find that rather hard to believe.

>>1325817

It's true. If you smack around a bird, it'll bite you.

If you smack around a bear, it'll only try to escape.

>>1320912
Holy FUCK, this was actually published and taught!?
BRB, moving to Europe.

>>1325826

Are european bears hardcore carnivores like American bears? Or are they fish only perhaps?

>>1320912

You gotta admit though, that even though it's wrong it does encourage skepticism in the student.

>>1325847

What the fuck are you talking about?

Certain bears are 100% herbivores.

If I do remember correctly, there are some scavengers. But no hunters.

>>1325862

Oh I didn't know that. Just trying to work out the causative relationship between vegetarianism and tameness.

>>1325861
No. It encourages a blind eye towards science and knowledge and ALL THINGS REASONABLE FOR FUCK'S SAKE!

any one who doesn't understand elektricity should not be allowed to use it...

>>1325885

It's encouraging blasphemy, an essential ingredient of free thought. If the child comes across someone who argues about electricity being produced through turbines then the child gets to debate and will probably end up believing the "religious" argument is bullshit.

Yes I know I'm stretching it.

>>1325885
So, you want us to dogmatically teach reason?

Free market "fixed" education. Home-schooled kids learn what their crazy fundie parents WANT them to learn, or another home-school program gets the business.

>>1325777
im comparing the wealthy to the poor, i never claimed that rich people don't find religion fashionable, provide opportunities for social networking, or offer comfort from guilt in the form of charity.
so what kinds of bears live in your region?

>>1325967
Live in mountain desert, no bears to be had.

>>1325720

a panda would fucking maul your shit bro

>>1325972
What is with the fros? Why can't they just buzzcut and look like bad asses?

Christian here. I grew up in Kansas in a very Protestant town. This stuff is nonsense.

Take some peace in knowing that there are Christian communities who are not afraid of "secular thinking", let alone science. If I had shown this to any of my science teachers they would have shook their heads in sadness. (My physics teacher once confiscated a dowsing rod I was fooling with.) Myself and my friends turned out just fine.

>>1325988

Are you kidding me? They play in little playgrounds where people come and hang out with them in China.