We won't have sex with them.

Because virginity is the most unattractive trait I guy can have

because all women are vapid whores

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Bad credentials make for a bad performance.

>all women

stop generalizing you fucking slime pit

Sheeple need the approval of their fellow sheep. Thus, sheeple women need to know that other female sheep have already approved of a male sheep. That is all.

Women aren't interested in you as a man or a person, because they can have an infinite supply of men and people whenever they want. They are interested in your worth. If you are part of the endless thronging mass of men who would fuck them, and you have nothing else to bring to the table, you're uninteresting. If you have successfully fucked other women, you have at least (probably) distinguished yourself from the mass at least once, and thus you're already doing better than the 80% of men who are totally worthless to a woman.

They want a guy with experience.

Even the virgins.

Because women need a guide through sex and a virgin probably can't do that for a woman.

>>6980582
>stop generalizing you fucking slime pit

It's not a generalization. not a single woman has anything good to say about virgins.

>>6980582
shut up whore dont you have dicks to suck?

Some girls get off on inexperience

Some girls don't

Stop being so fucking thick

>>6980603

That's very selfish.

jealousy

Virgins are a constant reminder to sluts and whores that they've been devalued.

Oh hey? This thread again? Didn't we come up an answer yet? We did? TheydontnotheydoshutupvirgincumslutfeministnormalfuckWOMENARENTHUMANstudiesshow_graph--!!ilikevirginsokwillyoudateme?

>>6980620
>some girls don't

maybe in fantasy land

>>6980615
inb4 femanons say they like/date beta virginfags
inb4 beta virginfags get false hope

they're lying when they say this. if not to you then to themselves. women like to talk a big game about their moral purity and quality of personality, then be ruthlessly pragmatic in practice.

>>6980449 (OP)
Because they aren't attractive or arousing, yet some older cultural schemas demand that they receive attention and respect anyway.

Even without baby boomer logic, women would really just pretend that all men are awesome, genetically flawless alpha males, and all of the other ones don't exist.

It's kind of the same as why men hate ugly bitches.

>>6980621
The world is selfish. The only ally we can rely on is ourself.

>no woman has ever been attracted to this man before
>Therefor cause and correlation says that there is something wrong with him and I should avoid him as well

If you've failed to do the most basic of human interactions by 20 years old then you are inherently flawed. You know it, even if you deny it. But it's true. There is something wrong with you and it's probably to a girls benefit if she avoids you or stays out of a relationship with you.

>>6980641
>It's kind of the same as why men hate ugly bitches.
How is it anything remotely the same? One can easily fix your virginity... EASILY... if one just got over themselves. An ugly bitch is an ugly bitch unless she can drop tens of thousands of dollars on surgery.

>>6980652

So why don't men think like that? Why are only women like that? Getting a gf actually takes skill if you aren't a 8/10 at least. Men know that you aren't a disgusting person even if you are a virgin as a girl. They know why someone stays a virgin.

>>6980654
>buhhhh why cant i get the 10/10 alpha males to love me instead of their five pieces of side ass

men have low standards, just not the ones you want, slut

>>6980654
$20k-$30k+
depending on your surgeon

>>6980733
where are the men then???

>>6980770
It's like 10k to lower my hair line alone, don't even. I'm not going to a sketchy cheap surgeon who wants to fuck up my face further. Plus, thousands of dollars later and I'll STILL only be a 6/10 at best.

Meanwhile, all virgins need to do is just spend 200$ on a backpage hooker. That's it. That's all.

>>6980654
Its the same because women are attracted to confidence and social proof.

Men are attracted to physical beauty and sexual availability, without threat of rape accusations or alimony or whatever.

>>6980822
Also, I'm not claiming that any of this is fair. Nature and life are not fair. Come to terms.

>>6980791
Women can hire prostitutes as well

>>6980822
It might be on the same side of the spectrum, but losing your virginity is not on the same level (of difficulty) as undergoing extensive facial reconstruction. Get fucked.

>>6980849

I want to see your face to know if you really are that ugly. You're probably a solid 7.

>>6980849
YOU TELL EM MYSTY

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>>6980791
>tfw you're not very judgemental.

>tfw you would love a women no matter her size or height.

>tfw women don't see you as a man because you're a virgin and cirucimised.

>>6980838
Wat? That... doesn't have anything to do with anything.

>>6980868
A "solid 7" is technically barely a 3 if we're implying the same thing.

Stop caring about what normalfag women hate or not.

>>6980891

This is the best advice in this thread.

>>6980849
>>6980834

I need to think before I post

>>6980640
I like virgins. I just don't like the stereotypical virgin that resides here. Yes, I am talking about the hateful, usually fat and/or ugly virgin that has an obsession with shitty SHAFT and KyoAni series.

I don't think this has anything to do with "moral purity" either, it's just what I like.

Rest assured, men that make posts like your own and OP's are NOT the kind of virgins I like, so it's not like I'm giving you any false hope.

> never had gf
> you need experience to have gf

> never had sex
> you need experience to have sex

> mfw stuck in hopeless paradox

>>6980938
You sound like a pathetic fat ugly loser. Fuck off nerd. You make me fucking sick. Disgusting failure of a man.

I like virgins though.

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>inb4 a bunch of misogynist "theories"
Oh wait
The truth is OP, if you can't get laid by the time you are 20, then you are probably a shitty person. It's really, really easy to get laid. All you do is look that bitch in the eye and talk to her about some non-sperg topic.

>>6980947

I'll have you know bitch that I'm 125 pounds with glasses, 20, Live with parents and enjoy my neet lifestyle.

>>6980947
Why don't you have sex with them then?

>>6980933

You like the handsome and/or rich kind of virgin.

>>6980960
My goodness, those boobs look absolutely delicious. ;_;

>>6980899
Then how do we get gf?

>Why do all women hate virgins so much?

Because sex, which is meant to be an act of intimacy between two people who care about each other, has become nothing more than another form of instant gratification that people want.
I don't see how it's something you can do "badly". You're having sex with somebody you love, or at least you should be, that should be enough.

>>6980984
Date "non-normalfag" women.

>>6980654
>if one just got over themselves

You think I'm a virgin because I think too highly of myself?

>>6981016
Yes. Give me your area and I'll find you a prostitute under $100.

>>6981035
This, do what mysery says.

>>6981035

Prostitutes don't count. Women think sex is about the physical pleasure?

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>>6980969
Handsome? Yes. Rich? That part doesn't matter to me.

However, the guys I consider handsome are often regarded is unattractive by most girls. That can include diamonds in the rough such as this fine specimen and men with facial features that are just not conventionally attractive but have character and attractive bodily proportions.

>>6981035
>I'll find you an expensive STD
No thanks.

>>6980960
This.

Any man who hasn't lost their virginity by 18 is clearly a failure and that's exactly what women will treat him as.

>>6981053
The fuck are you talking about? You want to stop being a virgin or not?

>>6981053
Obviously.
Women only think with their vaginas.
They need to learn to keep it in their skirt.

>>6981053
Prostitutes do count.

Probably more than regular women considering a good one will be patient and actually SHOW YOU where the vagina is located, what hole to put it in, how it works, etc.

>>6981058
Then keep complaining about being a virgin~

>>6981035
>implying women do not resent men who have had sex with prostitutes as much, if not more, than they resent virgins
>implying having sex with a prostitute counts as losing your virginity anyway, because you pay for it
>implying virginity is as simple as not having out your penis in a vagina

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>>6981057
>quentin
you have good taste

i approve

>>6981079

You didn't even read my post.

>>6981079
>Probably more than regular women considering a good one will be patient and actually SHOW YOU where the vagina is located, what hole to put it in, how it works, etc.

Wouldn't a girl that loves you be willing to teach you?

>>6981092
Be more specific, I answered two posts and read them all. What are you talking about?

>>6981095
No. She'll probably expect you, even if you're a virgin, to know where to put it in. Apparently vaginas are confusing.

>>6980960
>>6980652

You two are right. If I want to be a good person I should just rape a woman before I turn 20 then I can make sure I won't be a virgin. :) Thanks for the advice

I've just kind of accepted that it's just not going to happen for me.

I'm sure plenty of people have lived a happy and fulfilling life like this.

Now I just need to find way to destroy my sex drive without negatively affecting my gains.

>>6981113
>>6981059
>>6980960
>this is what /r9k/ truly believes

oh lawdy

I don't really think prostitutes count. I lost mine to a prostitute when I was 26. It killed what little of self esteem I had left. Knowing that you HAD to pay for it is a pretty bad feeling. Trust me. I still feel like a virgin even though I'm not.

>>6981132

You didn't have to pay for it, you chose to pay for it of your own volition. Nobody made you. You could've fucked some fat chick for free and chances are you'd feel just as shitty.

>>6981132
There is nothing wrong with fucking a prostitute. Again, get over yourself. You could just as easily find some landwhale from /soc/ but now you'll whine at me about how you "deserve more". You don't deserve shit if you can't figure out something this simple.

>>6980615

My current girlfriend found it attractive that I was a virgin. You're an ignorant fuck.

>>6981132
Don't listen to this faggot. Virginity is meaningless. What matters is the context of the virginity. I "lost my virginity" to a whore, and it made me realize that women are fun, gave me some tangible motivation for furthering and developing my pursuit of them, gave me motivation to improve myself, and demystified the pussy game by 90%. In the year following, I went from being a terrified beta who nearly shit his pants when he touched a whore's boob to a normal dude who can fuck women.

The context of my virginity was what was important. If I had received the same life lesson without technically penetrating a woman, it would have been just as well.

Two main ones. For the same reason you're less likely to want to buy a book without positive reviews, or sit in a restaurant where no one's ever eating. Aka: there must be a reason for why it wasn't good enough for them. (I think this is one you get to deal with more and more as you get older and it becomes more uncommon to still be a virgin.)

And the second one is just practical. Not all women can climax from vaginal sex, and the percentage of women who have regular orgasms from vaginal sex are much lower than that. Female sexuality is more oriented at the entire situation than at specific "keyword" signals. Basically whether or not you enjoy sex is for a huge part dependant on whether the guy is willing to take out time and effort to make you come as well. (Longer foreplay, eating out, going slower or pulling out etc.) This usually is not all that much fun for guys as they can just go at it and would obviously, at least on average, bend over a girl and pound her than to kiss her throat and ears for a small eternity to warm her up. The less experienced a guy is the more likely it is that he doesn't have the patience, stamina or self control to do that.
And inb4 shitstorm that being a virgin doesn't equal sucking at sex, of course it does not, there's just a higher chance because - heh - practise tends to make you better at things. It's a safer bet if that's a priority for you.

Having said that I think women mainly dislike virgins in case they're looking for casual sex/fuckbuddy type of things. A serious partner is worth investing in a lot, but if you just want some fun, obviously you're going to want something who can provide you with that.

>>6981129
It's what women believe.

>>6981095
>women
>teach

>>6980449 (OP)
They don't hate virgins, but if you've had sex with another person before then your appear more alpha, instantly making them wet for you.

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A virgin man most times show that he has standards above the common whore

The common whore making up the majority of women, he should then expect to find much strife in that area.

>>6981205
>A virgin man most times show that he has standards above the common whore.
You're hilarious. As if most guys on here would be single if they'd gotten a decent shot with even an especially whore-like whore.

>>6981228
>single
Shit, I meant virgin, single is a bit extreme.

So what's the best thing to say to pretend I'm not a virgin when I have sex with a girl for the first time and inevitably ejaculate all over the place as soon as she takes off her shirt?

wow

Why is /r9k/ so full of hateful females? If you hate virgin guys so much why don't you go to facebook or whatever?

>>6981271
everyone hates virgin guys; that's the main takeaway from this thread.

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>>6981228

>whore like-whore

Imma use that

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>>6981271
There was a contactfag thread yesterday and it was like half female. I talked to pretty much every single girl in it who posted any form of contact information. About 90% of them were clearly newfags of the highest calibre.

Remember, /r9k/ has its core userbase, and then it has a much larger "crust" of newfags, tumblrfags, facebookfags, etc., most of them girls who want to feel like they use 4chan but don't fit in on any board that isn't fundamentally about girl problems.

>>6980579
>italics
>in what looks like to be a 4chan post

The fuck

>>6981287
So are you telling me women automatically hate me for being a virgin? Without even knowing me?

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>>6981271
Because clearly 4chan, and especially /r9k/, is a great place for them to be among their peers.

They are failed normalfag women who come here to feel superior because they cannot do so in real life

>>6981271
>If you hate virgin guys so much why don't you go to facebook or whatever?
OP asked why virgin guys aren't popular with women. I gave my input, it's not a personal sentiment.

>>6981205
>are designed to do
IN THE TRASH IT GOES

>>6981303
well, hate is perhaps too strong of a word. hate would imply you are noticed at all.

I hate virgin men because they get too clingy and most of them think losing it is something special and significant. I dated a guy and after I had sex with him hes was like "I LOVE YOU LETS GET MARRIED AND PLAN OUR FUTURE TOGETHER.... even though i've only known you for three months"

Shits insane. Never be someones first love, it's sweet at first, but a bitch to deal with when you want to move on.

>>6981341
Were you relieved when you finally hopped onto the next dick? Goddamn, three months? How did you even tolerate not consuming more than one man's semen for that long?

>>6981341
>having sex with somebody you do not want to get married to and send your life with

Of course he thought that way, that's how it's meant to happen.

>>6981341

>man cares about women
>lol what a fag I don't even like you loser fuck off you piece of shit

Every time.

>>6981357
Meant?

At least according to nature, no it isn't. We just at some point decided it was most practical. People are not "meant" to be monogamous.

>>6981384
People aren't "meant" to live in buildings, drive cars, not murder and rape each other.

We're not cavemen any more.

>>6981404
And we're still not. It's a hollow word people tend to use when they actually mean that it's what they think things should be like.

I can assure you that her shit is more common and normal than to spend the rest of your life with your first lover, it's just what people find most romantic.

>>6981374
>getting mad at obvious trolls
>not treating women like shit, as that is how they wish to be treated

>>6981271
Where are the women that hate virgin guys for being virgins in this thread?

>>6981374
I think it's more like... if you want to get married after 3 months, it won't last because that person obviously has no idea what they want.

Actually, if a man jumps on me almost instantly, I'll be very suspicious because it just feels like he thinks I'm a walking vagina since the only reason he's clinging to me is because I took his virginity

>>6981384
>We just at some point decided it was most practical. People are not "meant" to be monogamous.

no, it's just that monogamy arose as a powerful way to maximize the potential of both genders by co-operation and concessions to each other. this meant holding off on temporary satisfaction to produce better results for your children and society as a whole.

fuck that up, society crumbles. muh progress indeed.

>>6981205
>A virgin man most times show that he has standards above the common whore
I think you mean he shows that he has had no opportunities to lose his virginity.

Virgin men tend to have oneitis, be super clingy, sycophantic, immature and inexperienced.

>>6981035
you're a whore, just give him your number

>>6981435
Here is one.

Blox

>>6981095
Not always.

I think you idealise women and girlfriends too much. They stay the same people before and after - they just have intimacy (doesn't mean sex).

A girlfriend is likely not to me the personification of perfect, caring, sweet, awestruck by everything, ect. The world doesn't really let anyone grow up that way. It'll likely be some one you are very compatible with...along with a couple of trait you don't like so much. They are still people.

>>6981468
I'm $5,000 an hour, old chap.

>>6981445
And none of that is harmed by not marrying the first person you sleep with, right?

Regardless, I was not arguing against monogamy in itself, I just disagree with the anon who defended the stance of that unfortunate guy.

>>6981487
no one pays that much for ugly whores though

>>6981469
You didn't link one.

>>6981095
Speaking for myself, sure, I'd try to help him out if he was a virgin. It's tricky though, most people already find any kind of talk during (the first time having) sex awkward if it's not something hot, and you don't want to sound patronizing or as though you expect him to not know ANYTHING about the female body. I mean, with all the porn out there I can vividly imagine a guy feeling like I shat all over his pride if I tried to tell him which hole to put it in.
I think I'd probably try to base it on how smooth he was with foreplay and try to give cues if I felt he was uneasy or anything like that.

>>6981489
>And none of that is harmed by not marrying the first person you sleep with, right?

Graphbros, where are you?

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>>6981489
>none of that is harmed by not marrying the first person you sleep with, right?

sigh. whore apology at its finest

>>6981529
>>6981533

Talk about service!

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If mental girls are amazing in bed does the same apply to mental virgins?

Women's entire lives are based off of sex so someone who cannot have sex is a flawed person.

>>6981541
>implying Men's life are not also based on that as well

>>6981517
You gotta be mentally retarded not to know which hole it is. But I feel like I'll fail horribly during foreplay. I'm awkward around people enough, let alone physical contact. I've never been hugged or kissed in my entire 19 years of my life. I talked to girls during high school, but I just felt like I was so inexperienced and pathetic.


Why am I such a failure.

>>6981533
That graph has nothing to do with your assertion. Read it.

>Number of Lifetime Non-Marital Sexual Partners
>Lifetime Non-Marital

Do you understand?

>>6981539
Are mental girls actually amazing in bed?

>>6981560
the goal of men is to earn sex, the goal of women is to use it to get stuff.

>>6981560
>b-but men are the same!
Why do women ALWAYS resort to this one singular rebuttal when it has never been correct?

>>6981079
>Probably more than regular women considering a good one will be patient and actually SHOW YOU where the vagina is located, what hole to put it in, how it works, etc.
I'm considering getting a prostitute and telling her I'm a virgin because that kind of nurturing treatment while having sex sounds kind of nice (._. )

>>6981529
Yes, we know, not knowing anything else means that you're fine with what you get.

>>6981563
>That graph has nothing to do with your assertion.

are you frustrated? learn to read.

>>6981517
>neckbeard writing out his sexual fantasies

>>6981563
>Do you understand?
Do you?

It is showing that people who have a lot of sex outside of marriage are less likely to have stable marriages.

How else are you interpreting that?

I don't hate virgin men. My boyfriend and I are both virgins and waiting until marriage. If I wasn't in a relationship, I would prefer a virgin because I am also one. I don't think it's unreasonable to desire someone with similar sexual history, and that goes both ways.

>>6981597
wow.
what the fug.

>>6981529
>>6981533
Correlation is still no causation. It seems pretty solid to me that the girls who slut it up are also the ones who are flaky and adventure-seeking in general, not really traits that are good for stable long term relationships. That does not mean that a dick magically turned them from waifu into non-relationship tier.

Even regardless of that you're talking about a general trend, that says little about individual people, who are often still very much capable of ending up in a good monogamous relationship.

And regardless of THAT, like I said my problem was with the anon taking the guy's side. There was no reason for him to expect to marry a girl he'd been with for three months other than a romantic picture in his head, and even if you choose to argue that that picture was reasonable then he's still a pretty poor judge of character if he was unable to tell the girl was so far from thinking about marriage.

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>>6981590
>Yes, we know, not knowing anything eIse means that you're fine with what you get.

>dem generalizations

Oh boy, you people need to get over yourselves and your "good guy" excuses.

>>6981598
>I don't think it's unreasonable to desire someone with similar sexual history, and that goes both ways.

i know right

buuuuuuuuuut if you're a guy with this 'standard' it's generally a one way ticket to dying alone unless you're a 10, oh it also makes you a "misogynistic prick" to fatshit sluts on the internet

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>>6981612
>Correlation is still no causation

>>6981611
Really, explain how you are able to interpret that graph as showing anything different to what the post you quote says.

>>6981597
>How else are you interpreting that?
Well, you're arguing with their statement here
>none of that is harmed by not marrying the first person you sleep with, right?
as if the graph you posted shows the number of PRE-MARITAL partners a woman has.

It doesn't.

It shows the LIFETIME NON-MARITAL partners which means it shows pre-marital, post-marital, and extra-marital (non-marital partners had during the marriage).

>>6981592
It's you that needs to learn to read.

>>6981615
>"good guy" excuses

my dear neckbeard, that is nothing more than a strawman argument that only you worthless fucks perpetuate

>>6981562
I don't know man, it seems pretty obvious to me but that's easy to say from my perspective. I only found out about plenty of stuff embarrassingly late. I used to think a condom only went around the head of the penis for some fucking reason.

I'm sorry to hear that, I know it sounds hollow but it really doesn't need to say much about how you'd feel around someone you're more at ease with, though. It's just really different interacting with someone you're in love with, the fact that germ freaks will willingly swallow someone else's bodily fluids will tell you that for one. The most important thing about being a good lover is that you're considerate and willing to try, of course some things are always out of your control, but if you're a persistently bad lover it's usually because you're a selfish or uninterested one. Best of luck.

>>6981595
Eh, if that's your take.

>>6981612
>It seems pretty solid to me that the girls who slut it up are also the ones who are flaky and adventure-seeking in general

traits not good for long-term survival when applied to things of foundational importance, like monogamy.

saying "correlation doesn't equal causation" and "there are exceptions and stuff" is a bullshit copout (considering i did nothing to imply causation or make any universal statements). just admit you're wrong.

>>6981642
>It shows the LIFETIME NON-MARITAL partners

It still means they are a person who has, or wishes to have, a lot of sex.
Whores are whores, doesn't matter when they do it.

>>6981670
>backpedaling
Just reminding you that this is the statement you contested.
>none of that is harmed by not marrying the first person you sleep with, right?

>>6981642
"none of that is harmed by not marrying the first person you sleep with," wasn't so much a statement as it was a moving-the-goalposts sarcastic whine about some ridiculous position they had assumed i took. i demonstrated that yes, there IS a connection between unregulated whore behaviour and a weakened ability or desire to participate in monogamy.

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>tfw every day of your life you become more and more undesirable to women

>>6981683
>backpedaling
>responding to a particular argument you raised
>backpedaling

ok

>>6980449 (OP)
Women are expected to be pure and virginal. Men are expected to be horndogs. When a man is a virgin, then to a non-virgin female he serves as a reminder that she's a filthy slut who failed to live up to expectations.

>>6981654
>Eh, if that's your take.

THere's no other way to view it, considering women aren't willing to teach.

>>6980603
But where would I get the first sex from? I spent all of high school fighting everyone since everyone wanted me to die for not playing sports and being black at the same time?

>>6981341
>And the second one is just practical. Not all women can climax from vaginal sex, and the percentage of women who have regular orgasms from vaginal sex are much lower than that. Female sexuality is more oriented at the entire situation than at specific "keyword" signals. Basically whether or not you enjoy sex is for a huge part dependant on whether the guy is willing to take out time and effort to make you come as well. (Longer foreplay, eating out, going slower or pulling out etc.) This usually is not all that much fun for guys as they can just go at it and would obviously, at least on average, bend over a girl and pound her than to kiss her throat and ears for a small eternity to warm her up. The less experienced a guy is the more likely it is that he doesn't have the patience, stamina or self control to do that.

I understand that you want to project your experience with one virgin on all virgins but it's probably more likely that the virgin guy stops talking to you after your purpose has been served.

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>women coming here just to make virgin guys feel bad about themselves

Aren't you ashamed of yourselves? Why do you want to spread misery that much? Is it because Chad Thundercock doesn't want a relationship with you and only pumps and dumps you?

If you don't like virgin guys then stop wasting your time here and go chase the guys you want then. I know there are women out there who like virgin guys and I've already found one for myself, but that only happened when I completely disregarded the existence of normalfag women like yourselves.

By the way your "alpha male" boyfriend is probably cheating on you, I know that because I work with men like that and you seriously have no idea how unfaithful they are. I've seen one of them cheating on his dying wife and mother of his children like it was nothing.

>>6981656
Long-term survival did pretty fine for centuries without monogamy being enforced. So no, not foundational importance.

Not marrying your first sexual partner =/= never engaging in the glorious male-female monogamous bond that helped build society. That's all. I wasn't trying to make a statement about current society, just that in theory it would be very well possible for all women to have sex with ten men and then go into monogamous marriages, so "but monogamy works best for society" is no argument for why people are "meant" to marry the first person they have sex with. Obviously it's more complicated in reality.

And I'll admit I didn't notice it myself as I'm a sloppy reader in general and it's pretty late over here but as the other anon pointed out, if they have more partners because they have partners after their divorce/during their marriage, obviously that means their relationship wasn't going so well.

>>6981764
Yeah I didn't mean to quote that

>>6981741
You realize you're talking about countless people, right? Is it really that unlikely that a single one doesn't fit into your world view?

>>6981777
Yes. I don't think there's a single woman who doesn't view virginity as a hassle that isn't worth it.

>>6981769
All men cheat. Don't act like you're any better than them.

>>6981777
That dude is right. All women will laugh at a virgin male.

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>>6981683
>accusing others of backpedaling

>>6981800
I don't cheat, never cheated. Unlike most men I follow a very strict moral code and I never go out of my way to hurt people who love me. Just the thought of doing something like that makes me feel sick.

>>6981826
lol fucken pussy beta you will never get laid hahaha

women like strong alpha men you fag

>>6981770
>Long-term survival did pretty fine for centuries without monogamy being enforced. So no, not foundational importance.

the millenia during which monogamy was enforced allowed many great civilizations to rise and fall, built upon the combined efforts of men and women allowing them to contribute far more to the upkeep/advancement of their people. it is foundational importance, because without it everything goes to shit. case in point: modern society.

>Not marrying your first sexual partner =/= never engaging in the glorious male-female monogamous bond that helped build society.

except there is a definite link between the amount of whore behaviour/its relative acceptance by society and the weakening of monogamy. is it possible that a woman can be a whore and then enter a monogamous relationship? yes. is it generally true? not even fucking close.

>>6981791
>>6981820
I honestly don't even know what to say to this. Or well I guess there is nothing to say if you're that convinced.

>>6981826
>Unlike most men I follow a very strict moral code

white knight as fuck

confirmed for faggot

>>6981770
Eating McDonald's every week can lead to a long life possibly, it doesn't mean that it's still not awful for you. Family and tribal structures existed for a reason, because they are successful.

>>6981769
>I've seen one of them cheating on his dying wife and mother of his children like it was nothing.
Details

>>6981843
I'm not going to argue with you that monogamy is good for society because I don't disagree to begin with. However now you're not referring to sexual monogamy but to the way a man and woman balance household tasks and labour. I would not even have responded to the anon I replied to in the first place if he'd said that monogamy is the way it was meant (even though like I said I still think the word meant is entirely misplaced but well), it's another step to say it's completely reasonable to expect to marry the first person you sleep with because that's the way it's meant. And it sure WAS meant that way for a long time but I'm pretty damn sure a lot of people just tried harder to appear virginal on their wedding day.
And the reason I did argue with that is that it gets tiresome to see people defend people who acts like antisocial idiots simply to take the opposite side of some bitchy girl.

The last part I agree with though.

>>6981860
>work trip with an older coworker
>after we meet with our client we take a taxi to our hotel
>he calls his wife who has terminal cancer to check up on her and their children
>tells her he loves her and hangs up
>tell the taxi driver right away that he's not staying in the hotel and wants to go to a place where he can have fun with lots of women
>brings one back to his room and according to him had the best anal sex he ever had with her

>>6981843
I don't even give a shit about the long term survival of the human race.

I would be perfectly content holding that one special girls hand while we watch civilization burn

>>6981915
He sounds like a pretty terrible figment of your imagination

>>6981859
I never meant to argue that they're not, I just got caught up in that. What I was arguing was that it was stupid to say some guy was right for thinking he was going to marry his three month girlfriend because that's how things are "meant" to be. Perhaps they are ideal circumstances but not meant according to nature or according to our current society.

>>6981936
>2013
>still having this much faith in humanity

HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>6981936
Sure, your arrogant cocky alpha male boyfriend only loves you.

>>6981769
An idealist such as yourself would make an ideal world. It's a shame more people aren't like this and would rather be like >>6981838 and >>6981853
Until this problem is solved, we won't be acknowledged in life.

>>6982054
>we won't be acknowledged in life
Why do you say that? I was acknowledged pretty fast in real life when I started looking for the right women.

I will only marry with a virgin male

If I'm going to wait for him I would expect the same respect

>>6982066
Then you are one of the lucky ones or maybe it depends on where you live? Where I live it's very hard to find women that are in our standards, "desirable"

>>6982123
Nah, you just have to keep looking. Actively looking.

>>6982108
I too am doing the same. How do I find people like you

>>6981563
I don't know, it's just said... and it makes me mad that crazy girls fuck normal fags

>>6982141

Not anywhere where normalfags look. We lurk in online areas that are usually male dominated, and most of us are fairly shy and too scared to express our gender in fear of being called attention whores.

Me and all of my friends are virgins and think feminism is a joke like the rest of you guys, but some boards here seem to think all white girls are whores now, and that sentiment is forcing us even further away in seclusion.

>>6981059
By 18? I was bullied by two high schools at once in my high school and middle school days for simply not fighting people. How can you actually hold people to that standard?

>>6982135
How do you do it then?

>>6982159
Yeah, man, I know. There was a cute, smart, English girl that liked me in Catholic grade school, though (awfully fucked up teeth, though, but I don't care). She even called my house a year after I dropped out and asked my mom how I was doing. Of course, my faggot cousin molested me (it wasn't that much (I hardly knew what sex was at the time, especially gay shit), but my parents never really cared enough and just brushed it off, even though I felt extremely uncomfortable, so I became paranoid) and that made me hate any idea of sex or relationships for years, so I always acted uneasy around her and ignored her (sometimes I even made fun of her), even though I liked her a lot. Now she's probably getting nailed by some lucky faggot who doesn't even care about her while I'm playing Castlevania and masturbating to pictures of vaginas.

Fuck this homosexual planet. If I could just go back, I would stop playing vidya, deal with my social anxiety, and try to start some kind of relationship (if my parents didn't try to shelter me again and fuck it up with their corny ass behaviour, that is), instead of dropping out of grade school.

I have so many regrets, man. I shouldn't have trusted the normalfags like my parents told me to. They ruined my fucking life.

Sorry for that lengthy post, I needed to get it all out, bro ;_;

>>6981059
i don't know..
Many people, even girls who I went to high school with, were virgins. If I had to guess, about 95% of the people who attended my school were virgins. Maybe people don't find losing their virginity a top priority in life and would rather spend their time doing what society feels productive such as studying towards higher-education(I wouldn't blame the kids).

People like you are the worst kind. You were probably raised in ghetto trash and don't realize there is more to life than who can lose their virginity first. I truly pity you.

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>>6982108
>If I'm going to wait for him I would expect the same respect

>>6981341
>think losing it is something special and significant
>I hate virgin men

>>6981384
If it was in nature you would have given birth to 3 of his children already, and you would need to stick together in order to SURVIVE.