i tried that
i just slept more. made me feel worse

>>7174544
Plan events with friends. Tell them to bring their friends. Keep inviting the people you like to events. They will invite you back. Go with it. If you have personal problem then work to fix those but still be actively social.

>>7174531 (OP)
>also visiting self-esteem-issues-the-board doesn't help
this. I didn't go to /r9k/ for 2 months and noticed that I was way happier and confident. Meanwhile /r9k/ didn't change at all. It's a neverending soup of misery, hate and frustration

it's definetly unhealthy for already troubled people. that's why I welcome the new influx of so called ''normalfags'' (people who have fun in my eyes).

did it as well op.
also love how /r9k/ ignores every legit help thread

>>7174531 (OP)
are you ugly, poor (so you cannot affor food for entire month or fucking clothes) or somewhat deformed OP?

>>7175130
no why
zgz

>>7175130
If you can't afford food, why would you buy clothes?
I haven't bought clothes in 3 years.

>>7175154
to get fucking job so i can afford food

even this fucking internet connections is not mine

>>7175169
Oh. That explains it.
No need to be hostile.

>>7174531 (OP)
>>7174628

/r9k/ is not depressing at all, it's because you can't relate to it, as you are filthy normal fag casuals.

/r9k/ has shown me the truth.

>>7175130
Are you?

If so I think that's hilarious.

I spit on you.

>>7174531 (OP)
You forgot:

>be white

>>7175201
This.

How could they be failing life on easy mode?

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>>7174576

>having friends

originalcommentbloxx

>>7175221
>master
see i dont get it. there has to be at least one person you can hang out with

>>7175264
Jesus.
Normalfaggots have taken over.

>>7175285
give me a quick overview of your daily life and human interactions

>>7174544
This. When my PC broke, until I built a new one I just sat around and wrote stuff in a notebook instead of in Writer.

>>7174576
>friends
lol

>>7175264
I don't have a single friend.

>>7175311
>wake up
>go to sleep

4chan really is the black hole of my life. I actually avoided hanging out with someone I liked yesterday because I was just being lazy and posting here all day. It doesn't even make sense, it's not really like I get that much fulfillment out of anything I read on here.

The worst part about being addicted to the internet is that you can't really explain it to anybody. How do you even tell your loved ones that you're compulsively drawn to talk to strangers online?

>>7175330
>be neet
>dont go outside
>wonder why your life is shit
>>7175315
>I don't have a single friend.
its probably your own fault then. stop denying human contact

>>7175355
>How do you even tell your loved ones that you're compulsively drawn to talk to strangers online?
you tell them you dont care about your real life anymore

>>7175357
>stop denying human contact
English please.

>>7175357
>thinking that going outside will automatically give you friends
>trying to change the subject because you can't argue my point
>normalfaggots don't understand any problems other than their own

>>7175357
>its probably your own fault then. stop denying human contact

How do you know he's denying human contact? My mother tried to hook me up with 2 people to hang out with. I talked to both of them and the never contacted me again. That was at 2 years ago. Some people just aren't meant to have friends.

>>7175379
No, we don't think going outside will get you friends. We expect you to put in a fucking effort somehow.

>>7175379
the thing is that you're so delusional and escapist.
you can't argue with someone who isn't even a real person

>>7175401
This.

Just expecting that everything will eventually come to you is foolish. You have to maintain human relationships like a car. If you don't care about them they'll get broken

>>7175379

I think what he means is going outside of your room and trying to enjoy it. Like, there are things in the outside world, beyond your computer, that will actually trigger reward responses in your brain and make you feel good. Even something as simple as getting a smile from a stranger or petting a dog on the sidewalk will make you feel better than staring into a screen all day and basically talking to yourself.

>>7175400
>My mother tried to hook me up with 2 people to hang out with. I talked to both of them and the never contacted me again. That was at 2 years ago.
Holy fuck what am I reading? How old are you?

I've been thinking about cancelling my internet connection. Not to go out and socialize, but to get rid of my only distraction so I can work on my art.

>>7175443
How are you doing financially? There may be a compromise.

>>7175379
So you're basically throwing an advice away and don't even consider it.

Do you think you'll find friends in your room? Besides penny, chip and used napkin.
Yeah you should watch that episode. It's full of truth

>>7175264
I wasn't even such a lonely virgin etc. from the start but now I moved and there's no one here. What the fuck do I do, normalfag?

>>7175424
>>7175401
>>7175457

The original question was: Do you have any friends?

I answered it, and you made assumptions based on my answer.

Get the fuck out, normalfaggots

>>7175466
This. I'm not a NEET and I do talk with my classmates in college, I still don't have even a single friend.

>>7175443

This actually might be the best option, I hate to say. Having the internet in your house when you're addicted to novelties might be the same thing as having a house full of bottles when you're an alcoholic. If you only need the internet for simple things, you can easily just have a laptop and take it to cafes and shit to do your business, which would prevent you from spending all your time on there.

Honestly, people, improving your life isn't that hard.

1. Pick up an instrument. Learn it. Not for the sake of learning it, but because you actually want to. So if you want to learn an instrument, stop waiting and get to it.

2. Get some new hobbies. Seriously. The world has a shitton of interesting shit and you don't have to limit yourself to technology. Start hiking, learn chess, start playing poker, anything. Just do something new and different. Start biking, read more until you actually enjoy reading, and so on.

3. Start working out. You don't have to become a bodybuilder. Just get at least a little healthy and maintain a decent look.

4. Stop being a negative, pessimistic mope. Seriously.

Do these things and do it right and you'll find that your life will seriously improve.

>>7175427
>Like, there are things in the outside world, beyond your computer, that will actually trigger reward responses in your brain and make you feel good. Even something as simple as getting a smile from a stranger or petting a dog on the sidewalk will make you feel better than staring into a screen all day and basically talking to yourself.
Yeah except you don't get any good experiences like that if you're not young and attractive.

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>>7175457
>Do you think you'll find friends in your room? Besides penny, chip and used napkin.

For some reason this hit me harder than anything else I've heard about my lifestyle.

>>7175466
No, you little shit, we've taken over your internet, deal with it.

You don't have a private space to frolic with your own kind anymore. You're a loser everywhere now even online.

Give me your fucking lunch money. I accept bitcoin.

>>7175451

I'm doing fine financially. I am trying to save money though, but the internet bill is only $40/month

>>7175480

The thing is, I use Ventrilo to talk to my friends back home. I'd really hate to not be able to jump on Vent and talk to them whenever. That's really the only reason I haven't done it yet.

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>>7175492
>using buttcoins

DO NOT GO ON /r9k/ IF YOU ARE DEPRESSED

Seriously, it just takes your bad feelings and makes them worse. 4chan in general is a pool of cynicism. It's best to only come here when you're feeling happy, the everything comes across as a joke.

>>7175490
I'm not going to exonerate you from your failings because you're ugly. I'm ugly. I do fine. You're ugly. You don't.

>>7175500
What else am I supposed to do? If I don't have r9k I have nothing

>>7175490
>I can't pet a dog or be friendly to people because I'm not a model

Holy shit, what am I reading? Stop relating everything to sex.

Smile at an old lady. They're lonely as fuck and and they will smile back at you even if you're deformed. They'll even wave.

Find the friendliest dog you and scratch him behind the ears. He'll start kicking his leg and lick your hand and it'll trigger all kinds of responses in your brain linked to paternity and friendship.

Fuck man come on, these are just baby steps.

>>7175513
That's probably the saddest thing I've ever read.

>>7175495
>I'm doing fine financially. I am trying to save money though, but the internet bill is only $40/month

Well, If you want to lay off the savings you could rent a workshop space for your art. That way you can still have the internet at home but have a place to practice undistracted.

>>7175513
But you can have something if you put effort into. Then you won't feel so bad all the time and you won't have to come to /r9k/. It's a terrible place really.

It just takes a lot of time. Many people here think they can just go outside and friends, confidence and women will flock to them. It's not like that. It takes a while to adjust your personality, it takes work to build up your self-esteem and getting women should be last on your to do list.

>>7175500
>It's best to only come here when you're feeling happy, the everything comes across as a joke.

That's actually really good advice.

>>7175513
What website did you browse before 4chan? How did you end up here especially on /r9k/?
you've probably adopted a robot's mindset. I've had it, too. Stopped visiting 4chan for a while. Then came back and hung out at boards with a healthy amount of sane users (/ck/, /diy/, /tg/ and recently /vr/ + /out/). I decided to stop by here and realized it's the same as it was a year before. Nobody changed, there are the same topics over and over and over and over and for some reason robots believe it improves their life when they're validating their confirmation bias and satisfy their need of belonging.
This guy is totally right:
>>7175500
/r9k/ only makes your attitutde worse. It preys on your insecurities. Same goes for facebook. There's an actual study that shows that it makes certain people depressed.

I'd recommend ''normalfag'' websites as painful as it might be. Go to the most casual video game board and have fun.

>>7175505
>I'm not going to exonerate you from your failings because you're ugly. I'm ugly. I do fine. You're ugly. You don't.
Post pics please.

>>7175524
I didn't say "not a model", I said "ugly". When you're below a certain threshold, you simply get labeled a creep, a loser, a rapist, a potential threat, and so on.

>>7175490
How about you smile for a second and be kind and warm-hearted? It sure won't hurt and if you treat people in a good way they'll return it

>>7175575
Sorry, but no, you'll have to take my word for it.

I get told I'm ugly. It's not a self esteem issue.

>>7175585
>you simply get labeled a creep, a loser, a rapist, a potential threat, and so on.
Yes you will be labeled with that mindset

>>7175585

No you do not. You do not get that kind of reaction from people just for having an ugly face. Your problem is how you project your personality to other people; you probably slouch, have odd nervous mannerisms and wear clothes that don't fit. Quit that shit and fix the things you actually have control over and stop worrying so much about the things you were born with that aren't even that bad.

>>7175585
manson, donald qualls, lovett, iggy, buscemi and many more would like a word with you. they have a huge social circle, are successful and get laid when they want.

now don't come with the ''they're famous'' argument. in order to become famous you need to do something special first. if they would have dwelled on their appearance they would have never become famous in the first place

you're just looking for an excuse

>>7175594
A mindset created by 35 years of being labeled such by the world?

>>7175646
So was the grinch and look how he turned out.

If the grinch can do it so can you.

Cheer up puddums.

>>7175643
>in order to become famous you need to do something special first.
Yeah, like being lucky and getting born into the right circumstances.

>>7175667
Lottery winners are lucky.

They still have to buy the ticket though.

>>7175665
>le work of fiction XD

>>7175665
>comparing a robot to the grinch
this just made my day

>>7175667

more fucking excuses

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>be in full blown depression
>r9k and oneitis making it worst
>separating and analyzing people into betas and alphas and full on misogynist after a bad breakup
>hate myself and think of myself as a failure
>take shrooms
>see other perspctive of life while out in the forest
>turn it all around
>dump all girls and people who've consistently wasted my time
>delete facebook permanently
>pawn xbox
>pick up hobbies i actually like , bass, wood sculpting, sketching, and reading history books
>been happier significantly and much more open to the world
>comeback to r9k to share the knowledge
>rebuffed
>decide to let r9k climb itself out of its own hole
>visit today
>see this thread
>proud another made it out

>>7175710
Drugs are great

>>7175671
Not everyone has the money to buy a ticket.

>>7175710
How old are you? Sometimes I think I should get a new hobby, then I realize people have probably had that hobby since they were children/teens and that I'm starting late, everything I will ever do is late, my life and everything I will experience will be late because I fucking suck.

>>7175673
I don't get what you're trying to say?

That all actually happened.

>>7175737
Starting late is fine, stop worrying about it.

>>7175733
Then kill yourself if your that pathetic

>>7175737
>How old are you? Sometimes I think I should get a new hobby, then I realize people have probably had that hobby since they were children/teens and that I'm starting late, everything I will ever do is late, my life and everything I will experience will be late because I fucking suck.
That's true. Unless you have a redeeming characteristic like being rich or very attractive, that's what everyone will think, and they'll strive to ridicule your efforts and make you quit.

>>7175733
With the amount of time and effort you spend trying to convince people to excuse you for not having a ticket, you could be trying to acquire one.

>>7175814
Holy shit why do people here try to crush other people who obviously have problems?

>>7175814
And you should let them. Just lay down and fuck off like a little bitch.

Honestly how is that any different from now? You're trying to be a failure and I'm giving you shit for it as are many others in this thread. At least if you try and be a success and people give you shit for it you come out the other side successful.

>>7175857
Why do people tell the truth instead of making them believe a lie until they just kill themselves at 40?

>>7175737
Who cares if they did it since they were young? Most hobby groups have special beginner meetings. What am I saying? ALL hobby groups. Especially in sports and music.
If you're trying out a niche hobby they'll be more than happy to welcome a new interested person.
See, if people notice that you're trying to improve your life and realize you're actually a cool guy they'll support you.

The only thing you'll have a disadvantage in will be in competitions. But hey if we're honest you probably won't participate in them as soon as you start your hobby. Take your time, a hobby is not meant to be dominated

>>7175918
Nope, unless you're in a multi-million city, this is not true, any niche groups will be full of people who have done it since forever.

>>7175927
You're full of shit and you know it

>>7175857

people on /r9k/ like to pretend they are better than the rest of society but in the end /r9k/ is no different and does the exact same thing of putting down and mocking those that are 'lesser' than them

its how society works and /r9k/ is no different despite what people here say

>>7175737
>Sometimes I think I should get a new hobby, then I realize people have probably had that hobby since they were children/teens and that I'm starting late, everything I will ever do is late, my life and everything I will experience will be late because I fucking suck.

My dad took up playing guitar and piano when he was 50. Who fucking cares?

You should just be doing things because you want to do them, and wanting to be good at something should be a personal goal that you set for yourself, not something meant to impress others.

You're arbitrarily comparing every aspect of your life to other people and it isn't healthy.

>>7175927
So...?

Really so what?

>>7175965
yeah I noticed that. Especially when they post these cringe and beta threads.

>>7175965

I think it's more like a lot of people who feel bullied and undermined in real life come here and they don't really know any other way to interact with people because that's how they've been conditioned.

>>7176008
If anyone has been bullied and undermined in real life, they know what empathy is and they won't be pieces of shit like normalfags on /r9k/.

>>7175927
And if it's a niche then they'll be happy that someone else is expressing an interest in it.

Are you so insecure that you think everyone will laugh at you when you take part in a new hobby?

>>7175927

DId you even read what he wrote? He's saying those experts will be all for helping you and guiding you along.

>>7176025
Nah they just be vicious cunts to women instead.

>>7175965
>>7176007
Yeah definitely

I think one of the main ways robots can feel good about themselves is by putting others down and attacking easy targets, e.g.
>cringe threads
>Facebook threads
>tard threads

>>7176025

That's not really true at all, form what I've seen. It seems like the most spiteful users are the ones who feel like failures. It's actually really sad because I see people constantly trying to bring others down who are going through the same things they are.

>>7176070
I'm incredibly hostile and aggressive to anyone who I perceive as lesser than me on this board, but only if they try and convince other people that they're winning be giving up harder or being more of a social failure.

>>7175710
The last time I took mushrooms I just talked to myself for a few hours and suddenly realised everything in our world now is packaged, prepared, we dont make anything for ourselves anymore. I also saw each possible future I could enter into, and actually viewed through my own eyes how it would play out. It was weird.

It seemed really deep at the time but looking back I wish I could have a meaningful trip and actually have the impetus to change my life.

>>7176103
>they're winning be giving up harder or being more of a social failure.
Should that "be" be a "by"?

>>7176032
Yeah but they won't. They'll see a guy older than them who doesn't fit into their social group at all and they'll just consider him weird and will exclude him from everything.

>>7176149
Yes it should. Thankyou.

>>7176103
And what is winning exactly? Which game are you playing? What are the rules? Who made them?

>>7176175
The /r9k/ pissing contest. The game is who can blame their poor situation on the most things that aren't to do with themselves.

>>7175457
>giving advice to people who like being miserable

top lel.
Just give it to the ones that ask, laugh at the rest or ignore them if you're nice.

>>7176103

The thing is, I can't tell if you're trying to imply that you're a bigger loser than everyone on here and you want to be king of the NEETS, or if you're trying to imply that you're successful and want to pick on losers.

>>7176213
We're not fucking retarded, we don't need advice, we need help. And that's what you will never give us.

>>7176213

Everyone can read the advice you post on here, though. It doesn't matter who you're responding to, it can reach anyone who sees it. There's no point in trying to belittle the people who already feel bad.

>>7176160
Yeah you're right. Nobody wants to help you you're all on your own and people are selfish cunts fuck em all with a rake in the ass. This whole world is full of grumpy people who don't understand you. If you don't even give it a try you don't deserve any help

Just fuck off

>>7176239
Advice is help, unless you plan on posting your location and ask for a normie to take you out and experience normal social interactions.
Then again, you might be Lanza v2 so I doubt many people would be up for that but you can give it a shot, right?

>>7176239

But most of the things you guys complain about are things you have to fix within yourselves. You're getting advice from people who have experienced this.

>>7176175

This:
>>7176210

Among other things.

>I refuse to change myself even though I'm clearly unhappy, that means I have more integrity than you.

>I can't get laid, but I'm still winning because sex is gross and animalistic if you be a pedantic cock and describe it in a disgusting way.

>Liking things that other people like makes you a normalfaggot, I deliberately avoid popular things to be unique.

>>7176239
You need help? What kind of help?
Why the fuck won't you go outside and look for help?

>>7176160

Why are you so concerned with what people think of you when you're just trying to learn how to play guitar or whatever?

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You do realise you're not helping anyone right.

Everyone on this board has (pic related) this mentality.

>>7176273
>but you can give it a shot, right?
pun intended?

Guy who wants to improve and is looking for advice here.

I'm possibly taking a year out before going to university and since most people I know will already be going to university then I won't have many people around. I also might be getting a job placement in a different part of the UK so I might not know anyone there.

I'm thinking once I'm in that situation I should just find stuff to do out of the home, like sports or group hobbies where I can meet new people, that's a decent course of action isn't it? I'm not exactly socially retarded and I can talk to people and everything, I'm just not entirely used to the social thing since this developed a little late in the game.

I'll still want to keep on top of studies while doing this though if I want to get into my desired uni.

Any more advice?

>>7176301
Always. :3

bloxyblox

>>7176287
>Why the fuck won't you go outside and look for help?
Hasn't crossed my minds in the last few decades, thanks for the advice, on it chief.

>>7176305
Remember to join the guys at the cafeteria tables and do it early, like within the first week, or first day even. Talk, they all want to make friends because most are in your same position: they don't know anyone... yet.
Also, going the uni gym, that always helps to make friends, even female ones. Just do it early or it'll be too late. :|

>>7176228
I'm a remarkably average but altogether happy person.

I have a few close friends and a handfull of relationships.

If someone here says something along the lines of "I have basic human needs that aren't being filled because I'm ugly, talentless and socially awkward." I'll be nice and try help. But if some twat trys pulling the whole "I'm above happiness and basic human interaction, you're the real loser for having friends and healthy relationships." I'll smear their insecurities all over their face and make them feel bad about themselves.

>>7176291
You're fucking retarded. You can learn how to play guitar alone in your room, obviously the point is to socialize while doing it. And you'll be ostracized socially, so you might as well do it in your room in the first place.

>>7176305

I think taking time out to work before you jump into university is a good idea. Gets you a better feel for the working world and helps you develop more of an idea for what you want to do. Good choice anon.

Yes, take up a hobby. Just pick something you've always wanted to do and jump into a class. You might as well get started on those good habits now.

>>7176338
>"I have basic human needs that aren't being filled because I'm ugly, talentless and socially awkward." I'll be nice and try help.
How? Will you fulfill them? Because if you don't, no one needs your "help" except for yourself, to feel better for "helping".

>>7176334
Um, I appreciate your advice but if you read my post I'm talking about my year our BEFORE I go to uni. As in getting a job and possibly living independently for a year.

I don't mean to sound rude and ungrateful but your advice is for when I'm at uni.

>>7176338

Those people make me frustrated to, but I try to avoid saying things like that because I remember feeling the same way they do earlier in my life. I also don't want to bring down people who could just be lurking and read what I wrote and feel like it's a personal jab at them.

>>7176366
Why does a college normalfag with friends you need advice anyway?

>>7176334
This. I missed out the first two weeks of the semester and there have already been groups. It's incredibly hard to find someone to talk to since they're all sticking together like chickens. I'm also repeating the semester because of that reason (and I'm going to a clinic )

>>7176384
>you
*like you

>>7176366
Yeah yeah, I know, but that's all I can give, I haven't been a neet for more than 4 months. 3:
At least it will help you when you get to uni, right?
And no man, it's cool, you're not being rude, chill. :D

>>7176305
I took up acting classes which worked great for me.

First part of any workshop is to stand in a circle and make a fucking tit of yourself in order to level the playing field so everyone feels equally uncomfortable.

Then you spend the entire thing pretending to be someone else for shits and giggles.

I made a lot of good friends there.

>>7176342

Is this really how you think adults behave?

Yes, people might be a little defensive when a new person enters their comfort zone. This is normal human behavior. If you join one of these social groups and you're a genuinely good person, people will come to like you.

>>7176305
Working before college/uni is a great idea.
Do not become a shut in though. A year is long and might drain your social competence. I didn't quite get it but I guess you're moving out? If you're moving to an already established social circle just be friendly and do something with co-workers as soon as they ask you. Do not miss that opportunity.
As for hobbies: Try everything you wanted to do out. There's a trial for everything

>>7176358
Yeah no shit,

I wouldn't really be coming here if I wasn't getting anything out of it.

It's less about them taking my advice and more about them seeing the endless "Come be miserable with me, it's the only way, give up like I did." and knowing that that's not the only option.

>>7176384
I'm not at college/university, remember and while I'm not a stereotypical , afraid of people, robot I'm not the most socially adept person out there. Still a kissless virgin (not hugless) but I don't let it eat me up, it'll happen when it happens and that's fine. I just want to improve myself, I've already got a better footing than some people here and I'm grateful for that.

>>7176397
No worries breh, I'll keep it in mind for when I get to uni.

>>7176405
Acting classes do sound like a good call, could be a bit nerve racking but I guess I'd just have to throw myself in there. It does sound like it could be fun as hell though, how much do they normally cost?

>>7176405
>First part of any workshop is to stand in a circle and make a fucking tit of yourself in order to level the playing field so everyone feels equally uncomfortable.
Problem: the alphas and the females of the group still won't feel uncomfortable because they know their position and nothing they do will compromise it.

>>7176433
Thanks for this advice as well anon. I might end up getting on a placement with other pre-uni students so that could be a good starting point.

>>7176419
Wow, you've been incredibly lucky or sheltered.

>>7176454
It is the only option, for them. It's not the only option for you. Someone pointing at all the delicious cake they're eating through the glass window doesn't mean shit to the guy watching it from outside who isn't allowed in.

>>7176491
Just shut up, humans are not like dogs. Stop pissing all over the advice I'm getting, I'm really glad I'm not like you people.

>>7176472
Mine were about 180 euro for the full year.

Here's the beautiful thing. They are nerve wrecking. But that's the point. It's like a gym, you do shit until you're tired and then you do it until it doesn't make you tired anymore, then you do a bigger thing and rinse and repeat.

Acting classes are like that, except instead of tiredness, it's awkwardness and nervousness.

>>7176512
Great arguments there.

>>7176358
>Trying to make others feel bad for getting a sense of fulfillment out of trying to help people.

Really dude? You really think you can say anything to stop me from being positive to other people?

Keep in mind that I'm 25 and I've had a really fucked up life up until now and there is probably nothing you could say that would blow my mind or reveal something sad about the universe that I've never thought about.

>>7176491
>still focus on classifying people into two groups
Some people man, some people

>>7176511
Bakerys have doors.

If the doors locked you wait for it to open.

If you can't afford a cake save up until you can.

There's always an option besides give up and spend your life on r9kake.

I'm happy this thread turned out into a positive hope-giving advice thread.
Apart from the two buttdevasted antisocials everyone is friendly

>>7176501

I was picked on in high school. Then as I grew up I realized that kids just pick on one another and I got over it. People in the real world actually like people who break out of their comfort zones and do interesting things.

>>7176519
The thing is, I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm not interested in any of your so called "logical reasons" not to try to improve myself. I just want to go and do it.

>>7174531 (OP)
Some of us have more complicated problems than yours.

>>7176556
Alright, so you're not capable of thinking.

Why are you here?

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>>7176537
>r9kake
I chuckled

>>7176556
just dont reply to this mangina anymore. he's clearly baiting you. stop giving him attention he doesn't get from anyone else not even his parents

>>7176545
I'm happy too and I respect your positive outlook.

>>7176572
I'm sorry are you trying to make out that you're on the moral/intellectual high ground here? All you've done is appeal to the ridiculous "alpha-beta" dichotomy and used it as an excuse not to try and improve oneself socially.

>>7176491
>Problem: the alphas and the females of the group still won't feel uncomfortable because they know their position and nothing they do will compromise it.

You know what would really help you, man? Go somewhere other than 4chan and start talking about this alpha and beta shit. Anywhere, either real life or another forum on the internet. And don't immediately run back to 4chan to tell us about how the "normals" reacted to what you said. Try to get some kind of differing perspective on things.

>>7176610
>used it as an excuse not to try and improve oneself socially.
Are you talking to an imaginary person inside your head?

>>7176556
Learning a martial art or going to the gym is a great way to improve your confidence because you can stick up for your beliefs and know if anyone trys to get aggressive with you you're coming out a winner.

Or you could not do that and take up an interesting hobby that satisfys you in life enough to know that you can step away from a physical altercation and still feel good about yourself even if you're pissed off for a few days.

Life's pretty swell like that.

The only people this advice is pertinent to are those who don't need it and would have otherwise climbed out into social normalcy eventually anyway.

It has no relevance to those who are truly doomed socially.

Pointless thread.

>>7176614
Sounds great, been doing it for almost 40 years now, guess what, the same social patterns are everywhere, jobs, hobbies, any social group, any internet board, it's all the same shit.

You can only not notice it if you have it too good and you're oblivious to it (and attribute your successes to something you objectively shouldn't) or if you're really fucking stupid.

>>7176614
But the normals are all over the damn internet. You can't go anywhere else.
People like us just have to suffer. Normals will never understand our problems and that some persons aren't automatically born successful and as womanizers

>>7176644
Absolutely true. Just like any "advice" on /r9k/ and other 4chan boards really.

And anyway, giving advice is just a socially acceptable way to say "I don't want to give you actual help, sucks to be you lol".

>>7176644
Well you'll never know if you're doomed or not until you try.

>>7176491

Question: Why do so called "alpha" people make you feel belittled rather than giving you something to aspire to?

It's like you're immediately saying to yourself, "Man, I want to be like that guy. FUCK IT I GIVE UP!" when the guy isn't even doing anything to you.

It's almost like this pack mentality logic you apply to everything isn't helpful to you.

>>7176658
What is "actual help", anon?

>>7176661
>Question: Why do so called "alpha" people make you feel belittled rather than giving you something to aspire to?
Because unlike "alpha" sociopaths, I have empathy like an actual sane human being and understand that you don't get to that position without putting others in a shit position, and I will never do that, so I'm forever doomed to be at the bottom.

>>7176644
Well you're definitely doomed if you don't try

>>7176644
>doomed socially
Nobody is doomed socially. The only one dooming your social life is your hate-filled self

>>7176649
>some persons aren't automatically born successful and as womanizers

No one is born that way.

>>7176680
>Sociopaths
Most socially adept people I know are nothing like that. I wouldn't say I'm great friends with them but I can have a good natured conversation with them just fine. Normalfags aren't out to get you.

>>7176666
You see a homeless person. You tell him "get a job".

This is what /r9k/ is doing.

You see a homeless person. You talk to him and see he knows how to work with computers, you let him use your shower, loan him a suit and hire him in a data entry position in your friends firm.

This is help.

>>7176704
Actual help in the relevant context

>>7176689
OH REALLY?
>born into a rich family
>born with superior genes
>born as a fucking model
>born as a genius
HUH

>>7176680
Elaborate?

I can't recall fucking anyone over when I went to the shop and bought some nice clothes, then started going to comedy clubs and studying amateur comedians until I was funny like them, put myself through film school so I'd have aspirations and goals to be proud of.

Tell me where exactly I hurt people here?

>>7176680
why are you justifying your life on an anonymous board?
nobody cares about the last part of your post

i think there lies the root of your problem: you know you aren't doomed but excuse yourself

>>7176731
Protip: people like you don't see anything wrong with their actions, even when faced with the very people they stepped on to get they are. It's futile to explain (and obviously I don't know your personal situation at all).

>>7176680
>unlike "alpha" sociopaths
>I have empathy like an actual sane human

Come on man, really? You're implying that thinking about every social situation like this is what sane people do? You're calling sociable people insane sociopaths?

>>7176731
Don't be so harsh on him. We don't want him to make dozens of ''NORMALFAGS ARE INVADING /r9k/'' threads

>>7176749
I'm answering a question someone asked. If they don't care, why did they ask?

>>7176762
Are you implying that sane people do everything without thinking about it, and that in order to be sane you have to get a lobotomy?

>>7176514
Hey, you still here?

What were the people like at yours? What kind of stuff did you do? Also did it have a definite start point or could you join in? Because the latter option seems like it could be a bit awkward.

Any more advice you can give in general?

>>7176758
That's a fucking joke right?

Well tell you what, there's plenty of people here on the fence of becoming people like me. Why not show them the errors of my ways?

>>7176704
Alright then you're not only refusing legit advice but also like to spit in everyone's face for it.

What makes you think that you deserve help at all? Your personality surely tells me you don't

>>7176780
>All people who are not like me are idiots

Classic

>>7176704

Homeless people are mostly drug addicts or mentally ill. Are you physically dependent on a substance or incapable of making rational decisions? If so then yes you need physical help and not just advice.

A good deal of depressed robots are in a position where they can simply make different choices to be happier. The advice is meant for them.

>>7176793
And this is seeing a homeless person and telling him "ha-ha" and pissing on him, thanks.

>>7176704
>gets advice
>throws a hissy fit and gets mad at it
>demands to be pempered and ''real help''

>>7176826
Homeless men wouldn't act the way you do. They have real problems and are happy for everything positive

>>7176704
>help is having things handed to me

Why should the homeless person have a job just given to him? What if it's clear that he has never made any effort to find work or improve his situation for a bunch of bullshit reasons?

>>7176783
It had a definate start point but you could join in any time.

It was a mixed bag, by and in large they were lovely people but of course you had your divas just like everywhere else. Actors tend to be overly dramatic, hence the whole being in drama classes thing so there's a lot of petty squabbles but usually between the same people.

The age group was predominately 16-20 with a few older people who were there from the beginning.

normalfags don't understand our problems and only give shallow advice. they are secretly laughing at us and enjoy seeing our misery. it's easy for people to give light-hearted advice when you're not unfortunate yourself.
op must be feeling really cool right now

>>7176849
Sounds pretty good, I'll definitely look into it.

Also this is probably an obvious question but do you reckon it would help with my speaking? I can talk normally most of the time but if I'm in a nervous situation or I start going too fast I can end up tripping over my words and having to start over again.

>>7176843
>Why should the homeless person have a job just given to him?
Why should you?

Oh right, in before "I worked so hard for it" rationalizations that all people in good positions in life spout. To preempt this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_world_fallacy

>>7176891
of course it will help you.

I wish you much fun and good luck!

>>7176729

I know lots of people from rich families. A lot of them fuck their lives up by making stupid decisions from being spoiled. One of my wealthy family friends had two kids in high school and another became a severe alcoholic once he graduated university.

"Superior genes" are just genes that don't lead to any severe illnesses. Having your dad's nose and your mom's cheek bones does not make your genes inferior.

A pretty face doesn't automatically make the world your oyster. Being attractive growing up can also lead to messed up situations that hinder you emotionally for the rest of your life.

Having applicable intelligence mostly comes from how you were raised and choices you make when you're really young.

>>7176862
Their "advice" is structured in this way on purpose, so that they can say "I gave you advice, everything else is your own fault for being a shit person" and keep everyone who's not like them down so that they stay where they are or move up. It's a common social tactic that's been used against pretty much any oppressed group throughout history in all ways - social, economic, etc.

>>7176909
Indeed, having a golden toilet is sometimes such a horrible experience as it's occasionally cold and you have to get a special velvet cover for it, if only the underclasses would understand your plight.

>>7176891
Absolutely. There are exercises specifically for it.

>>7176843
You're not a homeless person. You're socially awkward.

>>7176903
>>7176930
Thanks guys, once I get the chance I'll do it.

I might even post the results on here.

>>7176920

My point is that no one is born knowing how to get ahead, man. You have to figure that shit out as you grow up. Sometimes people are born with a lot and it leads to them making bad decisions and failing.

Furthermore, what is your point? Some people have an easier start so that means you shouldn't even bother? You were also born with a lot of privileges and opportunities in your life that other people in the world would love to have.

>>7175710
>had a gf before hand
>had friends before hand
>avid drug user
>LOOK GUISE IM JUST LIKE U N IMADE IT JUS FINE XD

Are all Normals this dense?

>>7177003
>You were also born with a lot of privileges and opportunities in your life that other people in the world would love to have.
What people would like to be friendless and ugly?

>>7177006
Yes, they very much are. Also, all this happened during his highschool or college years.

>>7177020
You're already friendless.

That's your prize for being an anti social cock.

You're not going to get anything beyond that.

At least if you follow our advice you MIGHT get better.

>>7177043
What advice is that exactly?

>>7177053
Take up literally any group activity.

Talk to people there.

>>7177066
>Take up literally any group activity.
Alcohol

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What op did didn't work out so well for me.

>hang out with people
>seems like they just tolerate me
>people stand me up
>don't get invited anywhere

>>7177006

I had no friends growing up and lived a sheltered life until my mid 20's. Then I eventually obtained those things, and lost them again.

I can tell you honestly, the feelings are the same. "Normals" who have had things in the past feel the same things you do when you have nothing your whole life. Regretting your past and feeling sorry for yourself is the same mindset no matter where you are coming from.

>>7176660
>>7176682
>>7176688

>nobody is doomed socially
>if you try harder you'll do better

Speaking from a social development standpoint, some people just missed the boat on certain key things that you just can't get back.

Sure, you can bullshit through a five minute conversation and come off as somewhat normal, but in any interaction long enough to be considered meaningful, you'll always give an impression as being slightly "off" "weird" or "awkward".

Point is that nobody will really truly enjoy your company. They might act friendly to you and even invite you to do stuff, great.

But knowing that it's an invite like "Eh, we probably should invite ___" as opposed to "Oh, lets see what ____ is up to" really just reinforces the "fuck it, why bother?" mindset.

It pretty much comes down to this:
Why would anyone work harder to compensate for being socially retarded when the utility they get from their social contact is significantly less than that of a developmentally normal person who naturally developed their social skill set and puts in virtually no effort comparatively.

>>7176007
>>7176062
>cringe, beta and facebook threads, especially facebook thread
>not started exclusively by the very same codenscending, deriding Normals responsible for our Robotness

You normalfags are just the worst. You are not willing to take any blame and are completely incapable of having any kind of actual empathy towards us.

Normals pls go.

>>7177092
Significantly less than average is still a whole lot more than literally nothing.

>>7177020

They would be focusing on the things you have that they wish they had. For example, people with no family would envy you for having a family.

Why do you only focus on the negative side of things?

>>7177093
I have empathy for you. I was you. If I had a time machine I'd go back and kick myself in the nuts and scream stop being such a jackass in my face.

I don't have a time machine. So I'll settle for you instead.

>>7177066
Ok, I've done this dozens of times in the past decades with the same results, should I just continue until I die?

>>7177083

The proper way to react to this is, "I don't get along with those people," not, "All people everywhere are shit and don't want me."

>>7177093
>started exclusively by the very same codenscending, deriding Normals responsible for our Robotness
What are you basing this on?

>>7177127
Change more variables.

Join another group and don't act like the bitter shit you come across as on here.

>>7177105
If you give 10 and get 50, you're left with 60.
If you give 50 and get 10, you're left with -40. If you give 0 and get 0, you're left with 0.

>>7177171
50 whats?

>>7175400
>My mother tried to hook me up with 2 people to hang out with.

The fuck is wrong with you that you need your mom to hook you up with people to hang out with.

>>7177092

Your problem isn't that you're socially awkward, it's that you're a negative person and this probably translates into you genuinely appearing like you don't want to interact with anyone. You can be socially awkward and people will still like you if you're a nice person.

You're talking about invitations to social events. People don't invite others to social events out of spite. Why would you take being invited to something in a negative context in any situation?

I don't want to be happy OP, I just want to die.

Fucking hell, why don't antidepressants work?

>>7177131
I don't feel like all people are shit. I just feel like I am incapable. I don't blame others, I blame myself.

>>7177127
You don't meet people there if you believe just going will do it. YOU have to do the first steps, people couldn't care less about you if they don't know you

>>7177092
I don't know if you're a master troll, being sarcastic or just actually believe in the bullshit you wrote

>>7177206
Be someone else then.

>>7175400
You need to find people yourself. Stop expecting to have things handed to you.

>>7177206

It's not really a matter of being capable or not, everybody is different and having friends is just a matter of meeting people you click with.

The fact that you come to 4chan so much means that there are people out there who you want to interact with and could get along with. People on 4chan are actually not really all that special and I think you'd be surprised how many of the posts you see on here that you can relate to are actually coming from people you'd consider normal.

>>7177202
because they're placebos anyways.
depression doesnt exist.

Good luck OP you'll make it

>>7177219
That works but I feel drained after a while. I feel like its not worth the effort. I get a little sad feeling that they wouldn't like me for who I am most of the time.

Maybe dislike is a bit dramatic but there wouldn't be much social interaction with them. I'm good at making acquaintances, not friends.

I know this total utter Autist, the people he went to school with made a lot of effort and really try to include him, he goes with them on everything they do like events, parties and some how he has gotten a nice girl. Again I cannot stress how much of a homophobic xenophobic Autist he is.

>do sports and meet new people
>suddenly WANT to hang out with them
How long did you have to suck it up and pretend for? It's this phase I'm worried about.

Last time I had friends it took me well over a year to start liking them, and it turned out they were assholes and I had just brainwashed myself into thinking they were not.

>>7177266
That's pretending to be someone else. Not actually being someone else.

Are you someone who won't shut the fuck up about things that bother you? Talk about stuff you like instead.

Do you talk in long boring essays? Make your points succinctly.

I don't know you. Try as best you can to articulate why people find you bothersome or unappealing.

>>7177244

Medical depression does exist. It's characterized by radical mood levels that have no logic within your conscious mind.

People confuse the medical definition of depression with just feeling sad. People aren't prescribed drugs just for feeling sorry for themselves unless they're manipulating their doctor on purpose.

General advice coming from an engaged man who used to browse /r9k/ for years before meeting his fiancee

>get rid of classifications like alpha/beta and normals/robots
you can't systemize every single person. even if you don't consider yourself to be normal you may have quite many normal things about your body, mind and personality. also every alpha argument gets contradicted with a beta argument making the whole theory irrelevant

>stop thinking your life is shit just because your social life lacks a bit of action
social life is dynamic. you can always find new people everywhere. ''normals'' can also lose many friends. nothing remains forever

>all relationship problems stem from women
this is not true at all and you know it. a healthy relationship works if both partners take effort in it. if this isn't the case you should dump your partner.

>stop focusing on one flaw and making it the reason for all your problems (I'm fat, I'm short, I'm ugly, I'm bad at X)
everyone has flaws. but you also have many positive things about you. instead of blaming everything on a flaw you should put energy in your qualities

>>7177244
It kind of does, it's just that a lot of people self diagnose it because they feel a bit down.

Real depression is something to do with a deficiency if serotonin in your brain, that's the chemical that actually makes you feel happy and motivated.

>>7175400
>How do you know he's denying human contact?
Because normalfags have human contact thrown at them all the time, and they are really that retarded that they think it's like that for everyone, and it's their fault for saying "no", when in fact they're been said "no" to all their lives.

>>7177304

Breaking down barriers and becoming comfortable with people takes a while. Most of the good friends I have took at least a year of being around each other for us to start really building trust.

>>7177373
No, they actively seek out human contact until they get to a stage where it's a normal part of their lives.

>>7177376
I hate being around people who are not already my good friends. I really hate it. I understood your post as meaning you wanted it, and enjoyed it. That's what I meant.

I have friends and people I can hang with, but I'm not assertive enough project the persona I want to and even try to flirt with girls because I don't feel comfortable with the way I look.

>>7177193

>People don't invite others out of spite
>spite
>Yeah, lets invite him to this shindig, That'll really show him!
How the hell did you derive that from what I said?

If you're socially inept and come off as weird, you won't be the TYPE X of person that everyone invites because they genuinely want them there. You'll be the TYPE Y of person that people invite because they don't want you to feel left out and they feel bad for you.

This goes back to the other post. You can try to overcome being socially inept (TYPE Y), but if you missed out on naturally developing your social skill set, you won't ever really get the same utility out of any social situation compared to someone who did (TYPE X).

>Your problem is that you're negative and come across that way...ect
It's not a problem for me. You confuse me attempting to state how I see the world for being butthurt and lamenting my situation.
I made my own bed. I realize that. Over time I'm learning how to comfortably lie in it.

>>7177320
>Medical depression does exist. It's characterized by radical mood levels that have no logic within your conscious mind.
My "depression" is perfectly logical and stems from being in a shit situation I can't get out of. I wish it was as easy as it is for most overprivileged attractive/average non-friendless non-jobless American kids in threads such as these - just take meds and the society will do the rest.

>>7177402
Then get comfortable.

Bulk up or start dressing better.

>>7177408
you are in this position because you're stuck in a cycle that's comfortable enough to live, but not enaugh to feel satisfied with, get a goal or something and put all your effort into it, you will easily at least feel more exhausted and you don;'t have to think about how you're so sad all the time

>>7177408
you're so jelly it hurts
why do you care so much about other people? let them live their ''overprivileged'' lives and concentrate on your own

this thread is making me ill
FUCK

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>>7174531 (OP)
Good enough for me OP. See yah /r9k/!

>>7177400

If you want friends then you have to actually be interested in people. Not just certain people, everyone. You have to be able to see the relatable qualities in folks you meet.

The way I think about it is that everyone I meet has the potential to teach me something. Whether it be about the world, or how other people exist, or even something about myself that I might not have thought of before. I guess I realized that this was what drew me to 4chan in the first place and I could apply the same mindset to the outside world.

>>7177434
>you are in this position because you're stuck in a cycle that's comfortable enough to live,
I wouldn't exactly call this living.

>>7177494
I'm unable to effectively utilize this strategy. I've tried. It helped a little bit, and as a result I don't hate people anymore, but I still do not want to talk to them and I do not want to be near them.

>>7177434
If I could actually accomplish any of my goals maybe I wouldn't feel like shit 24/7?

>>7177445
>why do you care so much about other people?
Indeed, why is one a human being. What a question.

what the fuck do you actually tell the girl about your life previous you being a normalfag?

shes gonna feel lied to and dump you anyway, they know you were a virgin and shit

>>7177545
And yet you want our permission to think like this?

>>7177555
Nothing, it all comes out in the end. The only people who can effectively lie about themselves are sociopathic normalfags who don't really need to in the first place.

>>7177555
People love a good underdog story.

>I was down in the dumps
>I didn't have a hope in the world
>Until one day...

>>7177405
>You'll be the TYPE Y of person that people invite because they don't want you to feel left out and they feel bad for you.

This isn't a bad thing. If people care enough to try to help you then it means you have at least some redeemable qualities. Why don't you try to uncover what those positive qualities are and focus on them?

>You can try to overcome being socially inept (TYPE Y), but if you missed out on naturally developing your social skill set, you won't ever really get the same utility out of any social situation compared to someone who did (TYPE X).

I don't think you realize how quickly humans can learn to adapt to new things.

>>7177545
>I still do not want to talk to them

You're talking to us right now, dude. What is it about being physically present with people that makes you uncomfortable?

>>7177570
What? You quoting the right post?

>>7177590
this actually worked with my exgf
she was fascinated and in awe because i took meds and had ''such a rough life''

>>7177590

Fucking this. Talking about your shitty experiences and how you came out of them alive is some of the most endearing shit you can say to people.

>>7177216

>say it's bullshit
>not stating why

C'mon m8, 'ave a crack.

>>7177620
Being uglier than everyone else.

>>7177622
No, I just wonder why if you're so happy to give up that you're still here fighting your corner?

What's your end goal? For us to turn around and say "well you've argued your point admirably, I guess you should just give up on people"?

>>7177663
Do you realize that Anonymous is not one person?

>>7177546

What are some of your goals?

>>7177673
He's still a person seeking validation for his loneliness.

"I tried my best and it wasn't good enough, that's my excuse for giving up."

He doesn't have to excuse himself. But he wants to. Why?

>>7177641
or self-loathing and boasting at its best

>>7177651

Everyone feels ugly about something.

Did you know that women constantly feel ugly about every niggling detail of their bodies, especially the attractive ones?

People that you see being loud and flaunting part of themselves to other people are also trying to cover up flaws that they have. This is true for literally everyone.

>>7177741
No, self loathing boasting is telling people how shit your life is currently.

>>7177741
Fuck you you little cunt.

This is it. This is why you're forever alone. Not because of genetics, or privelage, or missing out on those precious years.

It's because even with something as innocuous as "How do I tell people who ask me about my past without looking like a loser" the second someone answers you instantly try and shit all over it.

You deserve to be alone you fucking goblin.

>>7177754
The fact that insane people are ugly in their own minds doesn't change the fact that I'm objectively ugly.