>"There was never anything dirty about him," she says. "He was not a pervert. I swear on my Bible. He was the most harmless, most generous, unselfish guy I have ever known."

>Some of his stripper friends took advantage of his generosity, stealing his credit card numbers and buying things for themselves.
Women, what else.

His great passion was to be the personification of a perverted nerd.

Why do YOU think he couldn't make any damn friends?

>>5491504
Did you even read the article? Oh wait you're a namefag, of course you didn't, you want this thread to be about you instead.

>>5491509
I am pretty awesome, though.

a lot of middle aged people don't have good, true friends, dude.

Good people are treated like shit because the other 99% are cunts. Most people have never tasted loneliness or desperation. They've rarely experienced true grief.

They don't understand love that isn't covetous and selfish. A person doing good for its own sake is a perversion to them.

Imagine a child that wanders into a seedy run-down bar full of criminals and scum. Now imagine that child begins preaching love, peace and tolerance to the assembled mobsters. Will it be treated with respect? Will they understand it and befriend it? Will the assembled hookers feel themselves drawn to its innocence and sincerity?

No?

The world is a seedy run-down bar, OP.

It is obvious as his physician friend implied, he was suffering from deep depression and possible other mental problems. Even 20 years ago he could easily have been helped, had someone taken the initiative.

The problem with depressed people is that they cannot be motivated to seek help themselves. They just need someone to help them. And no one did.

That stripper bitch was a fucking retard and should be whipped in the streets. He obviously was in love with her and would have done whatever she asked, she should have dragged him to a shrink and gone with him and forced him to tell the shrink everything. At the end, when she saw he was obviously dying she should have fucking called the police, 9-11 and SWAT if that's what it took. No judge in their right mind would incarcerate him when they learned of what his issues were, and with his money he would have the best lawyers to make sure the judge heard everything and then some.

But bitches and whores.

Sometimes I think so bad when I think of the men on /r9k/ and then I think I should have pity sex with them. Then I remember you'd just call me a whore because of it, and the sympathy is lost.

>>5491526
i wouldn't

i love feminists

>>5491525
Yeah, loved the "I was totally with him, saw he'll die in a few weeks or even days, tried to play vidya with him and left lol" part.

>>5491526
I wouldn't call you a whore.

That's just a convenient way out for yourself.

>>5491526
So you only fuck people who pretend the reality is something it isn't?

>>5491526
It's like you really think anyone would put his dick into your vagina.

This really hit home for me. I'm going to look like him by the time I'm 26 and have half the intelligence..

>>5491618
>>5491542
>>5491538
Remain kiss less virgins you assholes.

>>5491678
>implying I need pity sex from someone who doesn't love me
>implying I'm a kissless virgin
>implying you don't finger yourself at night at the thought of getting fucked by random robots

>>5491619
And money? What about money?

Haha fukken betafag shitter.

now someone post the 4 page article about the guy who made/makes dorf fort.

It's even more beta. The guy lives alone in an empty apartment drinking soda straight out of the 2 litter bottles and only has water for his cat. he even cries a little that minecraft made notch a bajillion dollars while he's still getting money to support himself from his family.

This is the life of many many men today minus all the money and lavish expenses.

The one thing that is incredibly insulting is everyone's insistance on "mental illness" and "seeking help". Are you kidding me? It is obvious that he was sane of mind. His problem was that he was totally forsaken and shut out of everything, and people only associated to him for purely utilitarian reasons, never letting him be part of their lives.

This is total BS, this is nothing but a cop out to allow people to wash their hands clean while someone is dying out inside and no one is compassionate enough to give him the intimacy anyone needs.

>>5492481
But why didn't people let him be a part of their lives? Why didn't he 'fit' in, even with fellow geeks/nerds?

It was because he was 'different' and 'weird'. Basically, severe depression that lasted many years, and shyness.

>>5491526
Pathetic rationalization.

More proof men are the disposable gender and have no social value unless they're the top 10% of society AND that social awkwardness and betaness are a death sentence for men that they will never recover from.

Privileged gender my ass. The only people who have privilege are the ones born attractive, intelligent, alpha, and rich. For every other man life is shit.

>>5491526

I actually agree with you. Not a whiteknight.

>>5492541
>Not a whiteknight.

keep telling yourself that kid and it might become true

>>5492481
>This is the life of many many men today minus all the money and lavish expenses.
This. Can't even go to fucking strip clubs and shit.

He looks like a pervert pedophile.

No wonder.

>>5491526
You are actually correct. I would call you a whore before turning you down. I genuinely do hate casual sex and those who have it, but I am probably in the minority here. I do not complain about being a virgin or not having a girlfriend either.

>>5491473 (OP)
>"Just imagine having nobody in your life. Not anybody to call. Nobody."
Lmao normalfags crazy blue pilled yo

how many people ITT even read the article

he was self-isolating. his neighbors said they never saw him in 5 years. he completely stopped speaking to his family. he was a terminal alcoholic who lived in garbage and only hung out with strippers

>>5492636
I don't think normalfags can even imagine it.

>>5492649
normalfags get 15 phone calls a day from different people wanting them to go out and do activities

I get 1 call a month to go out and do anything

I wonder how he was able to get a company going. Usually requires investors/partners/people who like you enough to give you money.

But yea, sounds like a typical abnormalfag robot, minus the being wealthy/employed bit.

>>5492680
>getting call from friends at all
The last person to call me was my landlord reminding me I was late on my rent.

>>5492680
do you ever call or text anyone else (or make any other social effort), or do you just sit there dicking around on the internet hoping that someone invites you out

>>5492727
I call them sometimes but they are always busy

>>5492724
>being normal enough to have your own place

I would be fucked if I lived on my own and I'm 22 years old with horrible anxiety, check your privilege

>>5492680
>I get 1 call a month to go out and do anything
I get 1 call per year where the phone company asks me if I want to keep the line or not.

actually I think the reason was that he missed the short time period where you actually make good friends

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>>5491473 (OP)
Google this.

I am one. I don't have a single friend. And I don't see what is wrong with this.

This is what being bald does to you.

This is why Im fucking up my body by taking finasteride and avodart every day.

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>>5492680
>tfw you get a text once a year from some person who vaguely remembers you from highschool

And then you go back to feeling terrible again when you're done.

>>5491473 (OP)
>he was found dead April 14, Phil Katz was slumped against a nightstand in a south side hotel, cradling an empty bottle of peppermint schnapps.
>cradling an empty bottle of peppermint schnapps
>peppermint schnapps
>empty bottle

>>5492771
>actually I think the reason was that he missed the short time period where you actually make good friends
Well yeah. Once you do that you're kinda permafucked.

>>5492776
I am 22 and have hair like red foreman and I even have a few friends

I'm the guy who posted that I get a call once a month or so

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>tfw not even being rich, extremely nice and owning your own company is good enough anymore, you need all that and a height of 6'4 and male model tier aesthetics that last even into old age just for the basics in life

>>5492782

peppermint schnapps is a hell of a drug

>>5492520
>Privileged gender my ass. The only people who have privilege are the ones born attractive, intelligent, alpha, and rich. For every other man life is shit.
Agreed...thank god I was born attractive, intelligent, alpha and...soon to be rich.

>"Just imagine having nobody in your life. Not anybody to call. Nobody."
*Looks around. Huh. Goes back to digital entertainment*

Wow, and I don't even think of him as ugly when I see the pic. He just looks like a regular guy to me. I'm fucked.

>>5492800
again did you even read the fuckin article

he wasn't exactly reaching out for friends or love. he was almost hiki-level reclusive except for his drunken strip club outings and occasionally showing up at work late at night when everyone else was gone. cop describes his place as "knee-deep" with garbage

people who want to be social don't hoard garbage and drink alone all day

>>5492680
I get one email every couple of years from people seeing if I'm still alive. I don't even have a phone.

>>5492939
I recently stopped saying hi first to the only person I still talked online to see how long it would take for them to say hi to me. Hasn't happened in 6 months.

>>5492899
You're probably being ignored because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

Proceed to be mad anyways.

>>5492961
I stopped talking to this girl I used to have long, interesting conversations with (though I'd always have to say hi first). She sent me one message on Christmas day. Hmm

I really love these threads cuz I get proof that my isolation isnt that unusual

>>5491526
Having sex with someone you don't want to have sex with is tantamount to inverse rape.
Yeah, I said it:
INVERSE RAPE

Pity sex does not benefit the pitied one; all it does is swell the pitier's pride, so please disabuse yourself of any notions that you're some good or generous person just because you'd offer a fuck to the unfuckable. That's what sex surrogates are for, and they are trained professionals, while you're just some woman off the street who doesn't understand the significance or possible repercussions of what you're thinking of doing.

>>5493055
>INVERSE RAPE
I think self-rape is an easier term.
Pitysexer is a rapist

>>5493040
People like abnormalfags/this guy are a minority in the world.

It's still unusual, but at least you can feel like you aren't the only one I guess.

>>5492961

This. I always put in tons of effort for months to try to get friendships off the ground and then as soon as I stop there's no reciprocation. Seems pretty clear that I'm not meant to have friends.

>tfw he was exactly like me except he had money
>tfw bald kv software engineer who drives a 90s Nissan

>>5493138

C-can I have a j-job?

>>5493146

>Implying I'm not unemployed

>>5493013
lol okay tell me what i'm missing here. i promise i won't get mad

-reclusive, goes out of his way to avoid people
-estranges himself from family
-lives in knee-deep garbage
-terminal alcoholic with legal problems
-highly paranoid

are you gonna tell me he didn't have friends and love just because he was a mildly unattractive computer geek

>>5492028

Drawf Fortress just needs good graphics.

Toady One shot himself in the foot with his autistic graphics sense.

The joke is he could probably do it himself as his PhD was on a very advanced piece of Geometry. Yet he won't do any graphics.

Also, he still single threads the game. Dead animals destroy the fucking game if you run long enough.

The game tracks SO MUCH SHIT that it runs poorly even as is. If he tried to make it look good you'd need to play it at NASA.

>>5493199

>phd on geometry
>able to do graphics
>laughingmathematicians.jpg

>>5493184
How are you like him then. Go steal some code and make it big, I'll totally work with you.

>>5493191
I'm going to tell you that all of this is a result of his bad experiences with the world. You don't just "become reclusive", the world does it to you.

How tall was he?

>>5492028

Last time I checked donations kept Toady pretty well financed. Didn't he go on a trip across Europe not long ago?

>>5493382
He was rather short, read the article.

>>5493387
Yes, he is very rich, he just has this image of "lol basement dweller like you" to sell his shit better.

>>5493382
>needing to ask

Did he die a virgin?

>>5492792
We live in a pretty decent time to be bald.

Of course, it's going to suck when we get to see them invent a bald vaccine deal that is cheap, doesn't poison cats or ruin your erections.

>>5493391
>Well there's OP's answer. There's no love for short guys, specially weird looking, nerdy alcoholic short guys.

>>5493404
> rhetorical question

>>Any other ideas?

Probably because he was boring dork.

>>5493115
I know that feel, happens almost all the time

It's because of him having no continuity in his life. He didn't go through any mainstream path (including those "alternative" mainstream paths), and he didn't have a sense of past and future. I'm talking partially from my own experience here. Look at it: he was basically a basement loser, not a business person. So, he makes it big, and he doesn't know what to do with it. Someone who was raised to be a business person wouldn't end up like that. He just had something fall into his lap, but he didn't have anything else in his life that an otherwise successful person would, if this potential was nurtured in them since childhood (like it is in most actually successful people).

I'm pretty sure that everyone he ever spoke to in a business context felt strongly as if he didn't belong there, and wasn't shy to make it known to him.

It sounds like this was back in the 80's/90's?

That must have been a fucking nightmare, being completely alone and without a waifu. No wonder his body went on and destroyed itself.

I don't think I would want to exist on this earth if it weren't for 2D.

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>>5493055
>INVERSE RAPE

Sex with consent?

>>5493493

Continuity is a big thing for me too. Things just happen, there's no ordering.

>>5493595
>completely alone and without a waifu.
Sweet lord that poor son of a bitch

>>5493629
The thing is, you can win the lottery, you can go to jail, you can have any kind of an experience, but if you're a person like that, it won't really mean shit either way.

>>5493651
>won't really mean shit either way.
Do... go on...

>>5493660
Well, most things that happen to people during the course of their lifetime don't just happen caused/influenced by or influencing one aspect of life. If you don't have proper friends or connections, you can win the lottery, and where a normal person would invest a part of the money into a business that would provide him with continuity, a reason to wake up in the morning, to see something get better every day, you would simply have the option to blow the money on stupid shit or give it away, or try to make it in a business world all alone and fail miserably. It's a rather crude example, but it applies to all aspects of life - they're all interconnected, and if you don't have a relatively stable situation of neverending progress in all (or at least most), it's impossible to kickstart it once you truly realize in what kind of a hole you are. There's no "just do it", "man up" and other courage wolf bullshit that will ever get you out.

>>5493398
> implying he sells anything

you guys ripping on toady are just sad. he's obviously content designing his game as it is. he's turned down multiple offers to buy out DF, and it's been valued at $1m in development cost. he's happy with his life, who cares if it doesn't conform to the standard drinking, partying, traveling, girls etc. of mainstream society? he has done nothing worthy of criticism, he has just made a game anyone can freely enjoy.

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If it wasn't for my one bro who I met my first week of high school, if I NEVER started talking to him, I would honestly have nobody to text or call or even chat with online.

I've made 0 close friends at Uni. 0. Zero. Probably gonna stay that wat too. Why am I such a fucking faggot. I'm good looking too, but shy as fuck. So many girls have told me this, but my shyness ALWAYS fucking overcomes me.

I have to change

>>5493717
It's incredibly harder to make friends at college than people said it would be. My only wild guess is people are pretty set in their social groups and aren't exactly looking to branch out by that age.

>>5493717
A few weeks ago I realized that I was mumbling all the time and was generally being very unsociable. I just transferred to a new university and haven't made many friends. I have a hard time talking to people I don't know well.

I've just been pretending that everyone I meet or talk to is my best fucking friend. I'm loud and confident now, and I feel fucking great.

>>5493754
>>5493761
It's funny guys because in High School I was so social, I talked to chicks, spoke to dudes about sports and games.

Here at Uni, it's such a fucking different environment. Thank god I have my High School bros. 8 great people that I chat with every single day. I need a girlfriend though, or at least, go out on a date. I havent been in one in about 2 years, holy shit. And what's worse is that the girl I think's pretty cute, I just found out is fucking weird.

>>5493700

Distinguish between continuity and goals. I just want to live on a nice resort island by myself and publish papers.

>>5493796

Like, sits on a period rag weird?

>>5493859
Nah, haha. Just, not the type girl I'd date.

Well I would but, I don't know her very well, we only spoke quickly about three times. I found her Facebook and some of the stuff and pics of her on there are not what I want. Shitty quotes, and shit like that.

>>5493854
>Distinguish between continuity and goals. I just want to live on a nice resort island by myself and publish papers.
How are you planning on accomplishing this? How old are you? What's your life like?

>>5493899

I have no idea, I'm studying math right now and worst case scenario I will use this to live in the south and use math to talk about how god is great and the universe is perfect. Since most people in science tend to buy out of that creationist bullshit they will, I suspect, be happy to have someone 'on their side'. Then I can start a cult and siphon money from it.

>>5492680
Fuck you. I've never had anyone ever ask me to do anything with them.

>>5494010

Fuck YOU. Every person I come across on a daily basis goes
out of their way to tell me not to ask them to do anything with them.

>>5494010

waaaaaaaaah stfu im more pathetic than you boohoohooo waaaah

Oh my god fuck off you cunt

>>5492724
>owning your own place

I have to live in a corridor!

>>5491473 (OP)

As far as I could tell, exactly one person refers to him as ugly in that article.

He was incredibly introverted, probably self-loathing, incapable of recognizing his success and (judging by his actions with his mother) blind to his own childishness. The outside world is not to blame for his social failures. At some point, it's up to you to find your own way. He didn't where others did, despite having vast resources many introverted people never get.

I'm sad he had such a bad life. I don't blame it on anyone but him and maybe his family.

>>5494449
>despite having vast resources many introverted people never get.
Like what? He didn't exactly strike it rich at 12. By the time he got the money the damage was already done, and no one wanted to even try to reverse it.

>>5494554

>no one wanted to even try to reverse it.

Right. His business partners he tried as hard as possible to avoid or alienate, his mother who tried to reach out to him and stop him from spending himself into oblivion who he CUT OUT OF THE BUSINESS AND IGNORED FOR YEARS, the woman who begged him to stop drinking because it was clear he was killing himself, none of those people tried to help him.

>>5493700
>a normal person would invest a part of the money into a business

lol

>>5494554

And besides, plenty of friendless shutins don't climb out of that hole until they're well into adulthood. I'm not saying it's easy--it's not. I was a suicidal lonely wreck until college. But at some point you have to take responsibility for yourself.

I can't get too worked up over a guy who never tried to improve himself and then drank himself to death.

>>5494640
>And besides, plenty of friendless shutins don't climb out of that hole until they're well into adulthood.
Any examples of people who did so, without any completely altruistic help from the world, or having something major just fall into their lap? I don't know of a single one.

>>5494657

no one famous. plenty of people in my life. me.

>>5494663
Alright, how did you do it? How did you go from a friendless fuckup with no social contact to a relatively successful human being, without anyone around you helping you one bit?

>>5494657
Does suicide count?

>>5494681

I sought out people with interests like mine. I thrust myself into uncomfortable situations over and over. I reached out to my family instead of rebuffing them. When the few people close to me told me they worried about my behavior, I listened.

And I went into work every day instead of deliberately avoiding every shred of human contact I could.

I'm by no means a normalfag. But I've learned not to hate myself, and I've learned to own my interests. I'm probably still a loser. But I have a bunch of loser friends and I can still talk to my mother.

>>5494757
Alright, so you had a) close friends and family who cared about you, and b) a job.

Sounds pretty normalfag so far. We're not talking about people who start off with that.

>>5494780

We're talking about someone who had a job. Had family. Could've sought out help.

Chose to drink himself to death instead.

Is "not giving up" normalfag? Is "trying" normalfag? At some point the onus of responsibility lies with you.

I agree a little with both sides.

He obviously alienated himself if the article is to be believed. He was paranoid. And he lived like a slob in a garbage pit when he wasn't running from hotel to hotel.

So yeah he's at fault for alienating and pushing himself out of society when a few people reached out to him including his mother and his coworkers.

That said they also admit that they saw what he was doing and knew he had a problem. they probably could have tried harder to help him. Even if it was something as simple as pointing out to the police where he was at or how to find him so they could arrest him for his warrants. It might seem like a betrayal to him but they would force him into rehab, get him sober, and try to at least point him in the direction to get mental health needs taken care of.

>>5494985
>That said they also admit that they saw what he was doing and knew he had a problem. they probably could have tried harder to help him.
But it's so much easier to just say "lol he was weird he didn't want help so who am I to disagree".

>>5495024
i agree that his coworkers and acquaintences have no obligation to help him.at some point an adult has to be responsible for his own life and you can't force change on someone if they don't want to change themselves.

Still his mom knew where he was and she could have told the local sheriff where he was at and take him in on his arrest warrants. she obviously cared enough to help him change his soiled pants so I'd assume she was willing to do whatever.

Maybe she just didn't think of that particular solution and felt helpless over it all.

>exotic dancer
>named Chastity

lel

>>5495063
>at some point an adult has to be responsible for his own life and you can't force change on someone if they don't want to change themselves.
Yeah. Mental issues don't exist. Addictions don't exist. Everyone is in perfect control of everything 100% of the time.

most people are cunts, and 'walk on' anyone who is not

>> Liaru Gameu

>>5495091
>my mental problems take precedence over other peoples problems

Everyone has their own shit to take care of, even the dreaded "normalfags".

Society can't baby you forever. Someone as intelligent as him was most likely self aware of his mental issues. I'm self aware of mine, and most of /r9k/ seems to be of theirs. So yeah. He knew what to do if he wanted anything in his life to change.

>>5495154
>knowing what to do
>having the resources to do it

>>5495174
If I understand correctly the dude had mad dosh. Enough to blow on booze and "exotic dancers".

What resources did he lack to seek help he obviously didn't want in the first place?

>>5495198
A support social structure consisting of people who cared enough about him to help him and support him. This is the most important thing in any person's life.

>>5495091
Even if they do, in all fairness it isn't anyone elses responsiblity to try and make you happy and healthy or whatever.

And if you can't make the changes needed yourself, what are the chances someone else would be able to do it for you?

Some people are just fucked. It's sad, but life is miserable and that's just the way it is.

>>5495212
>it isn't anyone elses responsiblity to try and make you happy and healthy or whatever.
Then what exactly is the ultimate purpose of society and civilization and state and any sort of organization where humans band together?

>>5495209
what could they do?

Its said that they tried to reach out to him and he kept pushing them, or himself, away from them?

Where they supposed to tie him down and forcibly haul him to a mental facility? Because unless he's a danger to society or himself (openly suicidal, not just alcoholic) they'd boot him back out before his support made it out of the parking lot.

There's only so much you can do for a person before the responsibility lies on the persons own shoulders.

>>5495234
>what could they do?
Not be pieces of shit who took his money and then left him to die?

>>5495224
Not to serve a handful of mentally ill/depressed fags.

Society does it's own thing. If you fall out of it, you're left behind and either do your own thing in isolation, or kill yourself and get a small mention in the local news.

>>5495174

You absolute retard HE HAD MORE RESOURCES TO DEAL WITH IT THAN MOST OTHER PEOPLE HAVE.

>>5495246
Who did that beyond a few strippers? Who are already shitty people to begin with.

His mom tried to help him. His coworkers tried to help him. He ignored them and went out of his way to keep them out of his life.

At some point he has to acknowledge that he wants to change and put an effort in. He didn't and he got what he probably felt he deserved. Other wise he would have fought to make his life better.

>>5495271
>Who are already shitty people to begin with.

Stripper here.
Fuck your shit i'll poop on you kid.

Just proves that looks are all that matters. What a wonderful feminism-ruled world we're in!

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>>5495303
>Blaming feminism

If guys didn't care about looks, why didn't he have any male friends?

>>5495247
>Not to serve a handful of mentally ill/depressed fags.
I asked what is the purpose, not what it isn't.

>>5495248
That is correct, and he still ended up like that. Now imagine what it is like for the vast majority of people in a similar situation.

>>5491526
>Thinking guys want pity sex EVER

This is fucked up. This is one of the most fucked up things I think I'll never be able to wrap my head around in life. Why anyone would think doing anything out of pity makes them morally good is beyond me. As if a regular human needed any more attention from someone that loathes them.

Damn. I wonder how many of the people who just dropped out of my life and who I didn't make an effort to stay in touch with will end up like this guy?

>>5493115
Fuck this feel

Sometimes I try hard to make friends online but that shit doesn't seem to work. People only want to talk about themselves and never say hi first when you're online. It's fucking almost pointless

>>5495338
It's the most insulting thing you can offer someone.

It amazes me how many women don't seem to understand this.

you seem to think that by virtue of birth you are entitled to have society cater to your needs.

No one owes you anything. You have to support yourself and not wait on others to fix you for you. Or even help you fix you. Some people are fortunate to have that in their lives others aren't. Sitting around thinking "If they loved me they'd help me." while you slowly kill yourself is a utopian dream, especially when you have the knowledge on how to help yourself.

Not that I'm condeming people that don't help themselves. Some people would rather die young at the end of a bottle. It's not my place to tell them that's wrong. If that's what he wanted great. I'm just saying glueing yourself to the floor refusing to help yourself doesn't mean society is responsible for helping you all because of your mental ills. Unfortunately you're just not valuable enough as a person for that to be the truth. No one among us really is.

>>5495357
Because sex is everything to women. To not put sex on a pedal stool is appalling.

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Well, just going off the article here, I'll tender a theory; he had a deficiency, a simple one. For all his technical skill he had no training in being social.

He was a loner when he was a kid, and instead of talking to people in meatspace he expended most of his hours on bulletin boards. Hours are finite, the time he spent on those was time he did not spend elsewhere, like smoking marijuana out of an apple bong. He didn't learn.

It seems like this just continued into his adult life until eventually he could no longer tell himself that things could change. His dad's death was a huge impact, "he and I used to fish and do man stuff together," he says; his father was one of few connections to meatspace, losing him blacked out ~25% of Phil's universe of people. When his zipping program started to go big, he doesn't turn to fellow programmers or businesspeople he knows, he asks his MOTHER for help. May I suggest this wasn't because she was the best person to ask, but because she was the only person to ask? He planned his workday specifically to avoid other coworkers. He spends his later years on strippers, why? Because hooking up with them is easy, you just need cash.

In the end he died of loneliness.

Someone should have helped him, you say; who? No one was allowed close enough. Try to pick out a person in his life that would have been close enough to know something was wrong and be able to help fix it. You won't find that person, they don't exist.

>>5495398
>mfw I'm in the same situation, and I can't turn to anyone for anything anymore except for my mom
>mfw I don't even have money
Oh well, guess life is not for everyone.

>>5495398
I've always thought something like this. There's a reason teachers/public schools and even college tries to force you to interact with others and socialize.

If you don't learn to socalize at a young age, you won't be able to do it when you are an adult, and at that point, no one is going to bother trying to teach or help a grown man learn how to talk to people.

I think a lot of robot users here fucked themselves over through their choices in their youth.

>>5495364
>society does not have an obligation to be your friend

That is why the future sexbots will be so perfect. Shame I won't live to see them, but they will solve a lot of problems.

Making humane AI is the greatest thing humanity could ever do

>>5495398
>he asks his MOTHER for help
...and then he cuts off all contact with her when she tries to stop him spending the company's profits on hookers, before launching a hostile takeover bid and elbowing her out of the way.

>>5495398
The problem is, fiction is filled with examples like these where a guardian angel comes out of nowhere and forces themselves into the protagonists life, which is empty, and makes it whole again. We look to fiction for the parts of our lives that are missing. And like all other kinds of fiction, it won't become a reality unless we MAKE that guardian angel-type character.

>>5495357

What's amazing about that? Men say they're miserable because no boning, women offer boning, men say that makes it worse. What's the sense in rejecting what you wanted? You and I understand intrinsically because we have dicks, but they don't, how could they when they don't have dicks?

It's because you're not asking for what you want. Men say, "I want to have sex" but what they mean is "I want to win sex, I want to have sex that tells me what I am worth (on a 1-10 scale), because I have no earthly idea if I'm a real man or a worthwhile human being at all and I'm hoping a woman can tell me."

Of course when you put it like that it's immediately sensible why pity sex wouldn't help, but nobody puts it like that, do they?

>>5495453
Yes. That's where I lost all sympathy.

He had resources. He squandered them.

>>5495477
>Men say they're miserable because no boning
Who ever said that? Men who are miserable are miserable because of no emotional connection. Maybe if you weren't such a vapid whore/sociopathic tardo, you'd be able to understand that there's something beyond just sticking A into B.

the problems wasn't his lonliness. It's the taboo society has over living hard and dying young.

He was a genius and obviously smart enough to go talk to a psych if he wanted. But he'd rather just booze it up and party with hookers.

Who's to blame him for that? Not me. Not his family. Bro just lived a lifestyle he wanted. It's not about him being mentally ill or shutting down from society or even not having friends to help him out.

It's about him saying "Fuck this world is shit I'm just gonna party my way through it and hope I die young." and I get it.

Hell celebrities, specifically young female ones, do it all the damn time. No one gets all sad when they do it.

This guy just did it in the nerdy way. With hookers named chastity and peppermint schnapps.

>>5495493
Holy shit this board is so awful.

>>5495477
>Men say, "I want to have sex" but what they mean is "I want to win sex, I want to have sex that tells me what I am worth (on a 1-10 scale), because I have no earthly idea if I'm a real man or a worthwhile human being at all and I'm hoping a woman can tell me."
I suspect what men actually mean is "I want to have a nice relationship with you", but because they're hopelessly inexperienced and thus take what society says to heart, they think they just want sex. Sleeping with someone on your own merit means a possibly continuing friendship or relationship with them, while pity sex means just the opposite.

>>5495496
>This guy just did it in the nerdy way. With hookers named chastity and peppermint schnapps.
Yeah, that's why he never ever fucked any of them and was hopelessly in love with the one he gave the most money to.

well.... the fucker is quite ugly ... so no surprise no friends there really

>>5495154
>He knew what to do if he wanted anything in his life to change.
some mental issues are too severe to change. those are the kind that lead to alcoholism and drug addiction. people are a product of their genes and environment, and i'd bet anything his childhood sucked. theres no mystical willpower freely available to everyone in equal amounts just waiting to be utilized. sometimes self-improvement really is impossible. if someone drinks themselves to death, you can bet thats the category they fall into. stop projecting your own fortune (however meagre) onto others. if you were capable of change at some point, that only means you lucked out.

>>5495496
>It's the taboo society has over living hard and dying young.
Do you watch television and movies? They glorify that shit. Young people think going clubbing and getting blind drunk and YOLO shit is the greatest thing they can do at their age

I know people that are kind of like this. In my experience they have little to no friends because they never make an effort. If they see a girl they like they won't go up and flirt. If they have a friend they haven't seen in a long while they don't go and look for the friend. If everyone they know is going to a party he won't go because he rather stay home. He won't fight with people because he doesn't like conflict. He will help people and not expect anything in return.

It's all very sweet and all but that's not how people interact and thrive. Women AND men need to feel jealous and angry and happy and sad to feel bonded with each other. You can't stay at arms length and expect to be loved or even appreciated.

One thing I always do is when people say "Wanna try this?" or "Want something to drink?" I always ALWAYS say "Yes I do!" Because people like when you take their gifts. That is the simplest social norm to miss. You know when your not hungry and someone is like "Taste this!" and you're like "No thank you, I'm full." Well, that is an asshole thing to do.

>>5495517
>men actually mean is "I want to have a nice relationship with you", but because they're hopelessly inexperienced and thus take what society says to heart, they think they just want sex. Sleeping with someone on your own merit means a possibly continuing friendship or relationship with them
This makes me sad. So many feels

I just want a girl to like me for me

>>5495532
>He won't fight with people because he doesn't like conflict. He will help people and not expect anything in return
So you blame him because he's a timid person and a nice guy who likes to help people without expecting anything in return?

Is the world really this fucked now?

>>5495477
>men are miserable because no boning

Both sexes want to have sex on their own terms, but the male and female terms are antagonistic to one another.

Why is the male miserable? Because the girl won't have sex with him on his own terms, only on hers. Takes away the power element, which is part of the appeal. Some guys are into masochism though. The minority.

>>5495477
>Men say they're miserable because no boning, women offer boning, men say that makes it worse.

Men are miserable because they can't make you WANT to be boned by them. It's like someone getting sad that he can never win at Mario Kart, so you let him win by driving your own kart into the lava. That's not really going to make him feel any better.

>>5495558
Uh, yes? This is the basic principle of capitalism, to fuck over anyone who's a decent person.

>>5493378

waaah the big bad world did it to me

bitch please.

>>5495538
>I just want a girl to like me for me
That feel. And that's impossible in today's society despite all of the female propaganda that tries to state otherwise.

>>5495558
Of course. Altruism doesn't exist and being selfish is what gets you far in life.

>>5495558
>Is the world really this fucked now?
When was it any better than this? In fact, if you listen to the Randroids, selfishness is a virtue.

>>5495558

>implying the world is fucked because we're not all dispassionate robots who never get involved in anything

no sir, you are the one who is fucked

>>5495576

no, the principle of capitalism is to get money and fuck everyone else who stands in your way

>>5495558
I think what he meant is more there are people who are afraid/can't stand any more hurt or trauma that they no to anything and everything in life.

Then they act surprised when they are depressed and lonely. I don't know how you help those kinds of people short of putting a gun to their head.

>>5495583
>impossible
Eeyore, we've talked about dogmatic statements before. You can't really speak in absolutes about human nature, only generalities. I'm sure there's at least one couple alive who are in a happy and loving relationship on their own terms.

>>5495599
>I don't know how you help those kinds of people short of putting a gun to their head.
By not being a piece of shit to them IN THE FIRST PLACE?

>>5495597
>no, the principle of capitalism is to get money and fuck everyone else who stands in your way
no the principle of capitalism is to exchange value for value, i.e. trade and investment

>>5495632
>"Lol cum outside anon we can go throw rocks at cars on the beltway"
>"OUTSIDE?? NOPENOPENOPE GOODBYE"
>Implying that's somehow my fault.

You try and be friendly to them and they still say no to everything.

>>5495632
so it's my fault they're weak? You know how far empathy and altruism gets you in life? It gets you on /r9k/ bawwwing.

The trick isn't to be nice to people and hope they have a happy life. It's to say "fuck off" to everyone, let nothing get to you and if you do happen to take something personal use it as fuel for revenge and screwing them over.

This is the place our society is in right now and if you can't adapt drink yourself into a short death. The rest of us will keep carrying on over your dead body.

The meek will not inherit the earth. Deal with it.

>>5495532
>need to feel jealous and angry and happy and sad to feel bonded with each other

All those people who were bullied are totally going to love putting their trust into people blindly again after being treated like shit for being timid and anxious. Ironically if they'd been left alone, they might have turned out better.

Bad first experiences can scare you for a long time. I was bullied all the way through senior year of HS before I finally snapped and everyone left me alone. Why didn't I try to stop it earlier? Because I wasn't doing anything wrong. I tried to be nice because that was how I'd been raised and figured they'd stop. I didn't want to create conflict because my parents already had a tough enough time at home. I had a tough enough time at home. Why would I want to bring my school problems home to a Mom who couldn't deal with her own problems? People treat you like shit for wanting to do well in school. I didn't study at all because I was depressed and angry on the inside as fuck, and they all thought I spent all my free time studying because I didn't do any afterschool activities.

I've always been told people are empathetic creatures, but honestly that's a load. They're empathetic when they have to be. When it's presented to them in a movie. In a book. All my life only one kid ever stood up for me, and he did it once just because he happened to be there. Didn't stop anything.

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>>5495453
>>5495480

Actually, this highlights another little point I wanted to bring up; I saw some people higher up in the thread giving the hooker shit for seeing that he had no friends and not doing anything.

The real question is, if you're a hooker, what do you do for a lonely client that actually matters? Get him a shrink? You can't afford that. How would you even get him to go? He pays you money for sex, he doesn't respect you at all, he'd just find a different stripper that would permit him to stay the same. Tell his mom? How, when she called the cops after seeing you through the peephole?

That's why his mother gets shoved out, she tried to change his course. It would take a mighty hand to force him out of his shell. He had no training in listening to advice from friends or venting to others, so there was not really a path anyone could take to get him help. Not in a free society, not until he permitted it, and he never would.

This is why they do interventions for alcoholics, it literally takes that much effort to confront the alcoholic with his problem in a way that he can't avoid. Doesn't work if the intervention is one hooker.

>>5495632
>hey man, you want to go play some cowadoody with us?
>"n-n-no thanks"
>they go and post on /v/ about beer-swilling casuals then post on /r9k/ about how sad they are
>we have a fun night playing a god-awful fps
Whose fault is that?

>>5495583
> Altruism doesn't exist and being selfish is what gets you far in life.

You can't claim that altruism doesn't exist and then talk about being MORE selfish. If some people are LESS selfish than others, then altruism exists as well.

> But of course it's all in our heads. We're just robots programmed to respond to external inputs.

>>5495657
what an edgy faggot

are you even 15 yet kid?

>>5495558
No. You are missing the point. The point is that when you give someone something and they try to repay you and you say "No, don't worry about it." That is fine. But when you always do it you are denying them the opportunity to show you that they appreciate it. It is an emotional block. A social deterrence. The most caring person I know is timid as hell but he lets me pay him back when he buys me coffee and that makes me feel good and it makes him feel good. The friendship continues. You see?

>>5495736
Haha, yeah, you fuckers totally don't pay us back because we don't let you. It isn't that you're selfish scum who doesn't even return things, much less offer anyone your things, it's that people who give you their things are doing something wrong.

Fuck off and die.

>>5495776
>you fuckers totally don't pay us back because we don't let you
Have you actually bought a friend something in the past year?

>>5493717
Reginald <3

>>5495776
You're sounding a little butthurt. I'm just telling you how things work. You can be mad but they still work that way.

>>5495736
I sort of get it now, but I don't think that's what the other guy was trying to say

>peppermint schnapps
>chronic alcoholism
Hmm, maybe being ugly wasn't his worst problem

>life of paranoia
>Desperate to avoid warrants for his arrest
Or even his second biggest

> filling his days with prodigious bouts of drinking and trysts with exotic dancers.
Hmm, he wasn 't even tackling his lonlyness problem head on.

>A loner by nature
Or was loneliness a real problem for him at all?


Well, I know who'll have an unbiased, fair opinion of this man: A stripper to whom he gave lots of money, and who's only window into his life was during work, based on what he told her.
> He was a good guy

Welp, that's solved it, must've been ugliness that ruined this man's life. Definitely not a life of alcoholism and crime.

This man was constantly surrounded by people - people who cared for him - and he continually shit it away.
Also, he wasn't the innovator this article makes him out to be. He was a really, really good programmer, but he wasn't a genius. He, in layman's terms: built the best train around at the time, so all the tracks were built to fit his trains. By the time another, better train could've been created, all the tracks were already laid and it was too late. He didn't do a bad thing, his timing was just good.

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>tldr
>Depressed friendless shut in fags, you are fucked.

Thanks for playing.

He made zip, so? Not a very big deal if you ask me.

>>5495885
How would you download your waifu simulators and your loli porn collections if we didn't have zip files?

.rar's? Those are for shit eating plebs who like to mod bad games like Skyrim.

>>5495573
I like you're analogy.

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>>5495928
you're

i'll eat your anus

>>5495913
>How would you download your waifu simulators and your loli porn collections if we didn't have zip files?
Using LZMA and a different container format? The man didn't invent Markov chains or Huffman coding, or they'd be called Katz chains and Katz coding.

>>5495807
>a friend
Nope, haven't had a friend in about 13 years, since college. I did when I had them, but they all ended up just taking everything and ditching me eventually.

>>5495532

You make a common normalfag mistake in thinking that those people are not expending any effort, or that they are "choosing" not to do things. Their life experience and psychological state is very different from yours, and what it relatively easy for you to do is much harder for them.

This post illustrates why sociability is the biggest difference among people - bigger than race, religion, sex, country, although maybe the difference between 1st worlders and 3rd worlders is somewhat greater. This is why normalfags even on a board like /r9k/ often seem to have trouble even comprehending what it is like to be a shutin - the gulf of difference in life situation is too vast for them to understand, and for obvious reasons many of them have never met or talked to a shutin. The shutin has trouble understanding normals too, although it's easier due to their presence everywhere IRL, in the media, etc.

Phil Katz illustrates why being social is the most important and enabling thing in life. It's a cumulative skill, built up from birth, with child through young adult years being most formative. Looks play a big early role in social path, genetics and mentality of course, parents, luck, early hobby choices, etc etc. Over time, most people stay on the same train, and if you get left behind, you are trying to catch up on foot to a locomotive. Beyond a certain point, there's just no chance. You can't connect with people who are miles ahead of you.

>>5495983
And how would you know that? You're just an edgy teen who wants to justify his TFW NO GF feel shitposting.

>>5495999
Oh fuck you sure told him!
You replied to his post by insulting his personal character!

We can all aspire to be as hopelessly naive as you! :-)

>>5495983
+1

4chan should have an upvoting system in place.
>inb4 no, do it moot.

>>5495983
That's the thing. Introverts try and fail early on. So you think, "we'll I'll just wait for some extrovert to deem me worthy of conversation" and hope things build up from there. Except that extrovert doesn't exist. Extroverts are going to seek companionship with other extroverts, not introverts, because we're too much work to manage for them. Only in fiction does that character exist who cares for the introvert, who is mindlessly devoted to him.

>>5495999
Do you retarded normalfags ever have any actual arguments or do you just project then when people reply negatively to your bullshit spout ad hominem constantly? Because that's what happens every single time you idiots post.

>>5496048
Again you're constantly spouting that if someone didn't succeed they _obviously_ didn't try enough, if it at all. Enough with the projecting and assumptions.

>>5496074
No, I know that introverts try. It's just that extroverts find them awkward when they do.

>>5496054
>i am autist

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>>5496095
>get called out for using ad hominems
>use another

>>5496120
>implying shit posting is not only allowed but encouraged in /r9k/

Deal with it dick sucker.

So what's the cure for these kinds of people? If one even exists?

>>5496130
There is no cure, because they're not ill, the society is. Cure the society, and all will be well.

>>5495983
This is the kind of posts that we regularly had on the old /r9k/

Quality posts rather than shitposting tripfags and whining 20 year olds which is the current r9k

>>5496130
Mindlessly devoted sexbots that can mimic human emotion

Like in Ai-ren

>>5496147
>quality post
>guy spends 5 minutes typing out why "normalfags" don't get how pathetic he actually is
You two must truly have all the answers. Please tell me more about how "sociability" is a bigger difference than country and how rough you guys have it sitting on the internet 10 hours a day.

>>5491526
I don't want pity sex with some whore. I want a real relationship with a nice girl.
If was only looking for sex I would hire a whore

>>5496038
This would ruin 4chan. It would give posts a "base value" to be judged from, much like we (partly) judge people's performance in real life by their attractiveness.

>>5496139
>Fewer than 1% is the healthy group
>Everyone else is part of an ill system
On a scale from special snowflake to Green Day, how intelligent are you?

>>5496188
>1%

the hikkikomori in Japan are just the beginning
Western birth rates are going to tumble

So can we get this guy to be the official /r9k/ mascot?

Have his face in the background with komm susser todd playing or something?

>>5496188
Upper 0.0001%, you?

>>5492520
>implying women are not disposable

>>5496205
Japan has an entirely unique issue I highly doubt the west will ever go through.

I think I read somewhere that cases of shut ins were slightly increasing in the US and UK but japan is a whole different ballgame.

>>5492520
also
>implying you need to be intelligent

>>5496234
Why are there so many shut ins in Japan compared to other countries?

>>5496230
The disposable gender is the one that's sent to fight and die.

That's largely been, and largely always will be men.

Women do not give a fuck.

>>5496234
You THINK its unique but its not. Just like how they arrived at a recession before everyone else, they are ahead of the curve.

>>5496205
That would have a positive effect in the long term. Why is that even relevant though? Even japs who refuse sex have wide social circles, the entire japanese education system values group work and effort for the collective above everything else, as far as I can remember. If you're talking about the actual loners you can imagine how sad they feel but people who are ostracized and rejected couldn't possibly represent the majority.

>>5496206
I think we should just have the typical rambling bum as our mascot. Nobody here could relate in terms of the skills and effort this guy put into his life.

>>5496256
valuing group work and having wide social circles are two completely different things, especially considering the Japanese are only social because that is expected of them. Just like how they are expected to stay working until their boss leaves. Like how they are expected to go out drinking because if you don't, its the same thing as saying you hate the company. Taking a day off is basically treason. And most people do not have wide social circles outside of their families. Japan is full of loners pretending to be socialites.

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>>5496250
Life in 2D > reality

But seriously there are a lot of documentaries and articles you can look into on youtube and google.

>>5496254
I just don't see with the current attitude and culture of the west that we would ever have a sizeable amount of our population go that route. Guess we'll see.

he probably just didnt care. just cause you dont have friends doesnt mean he hated his life.

>You will never be able to look simulatenously bad ass and pathetic holding a floppy disk