For. Definitely for.

I'm against it. It's barbaric and expensive.

Agin it! It's not justice, it's revenge. No progress since the fucking romans!

Against. I'd rather have a single person kill people in society than society kill a single person.

I'm for the 'idea' of it, but it's expensive as fuck these days.

Against. I believe that everything can be fixed. Eventually. Someday. Maybe. Yes, I'm still against.

Under the present sociopolitical and economic conditions, I will continue to be for it until such time when more expedient and effective methods of rehabilitation can be devised. Which may be a while from now.

The plan: Let's have death row inmates toil endlessly in farms and fields to help plant crops to support the nation. If they try to run away, initiate a shoot-to-kill plan (which includes civilians - if you see an escaped murder/rapist and shoot him, you'd be awarded, etc.)

>>9839901
Actually, we've gone backwards.

Instead giving criminals a horrifying death by crucifixion, we give them a little needle poke.

the idea of the death penalty is not because we want to kill you for committing the crime, but to deter you from doing it in the first place

i am for it. you know the rules and so do i

>>9839892

> Option #1: House serial killer for the rest of his life, with bedding, 3 meals a day at tax payers expense.

> Option #2: $0.20 bullet to the back of head, quick and clean.

ONLY LOGICAL ANSWER IS AGAINST

Against. In principle it sounds great, it practice it's too costly and error ridden. If we could fix those two issues, I'd say we should be killing a hell of a lot more people, if anything.

In China, they execute people using one bullet to the back of the head, for crimes like rape, molestation and murder.

Also, they bill the families later for the bullet, lol.

I am for gladiatorial battles in which death-row-prisoners fight for their lives. After 5 (five) wins they are set free. The kicker is: I'll send my secret police to 'deal' with them so they don't cause a nuisance in the real world. I would broadcast this on television (ha, death race) and set up tax regulated gambling, and what not. I would use this money for civil services, such as free (or cheaper) public transport, and free college education.

>>9839922
It's millions of dollars to execute a felon. Even prosecuting a death penalty case is amazingly costly.

>>9839948
L O L


oh china, when you aren't executing kids and psying on countries, you're pretty funny

>>9839922

>implying thats how it works

Now, if we lived in an era where there was no court, just "ROB IS A CHILD MOLESTER" and you got the death penalty it would be fine.

It doesn't work like that, it's an expensive and long process to "try" and ensure no innocents are killed (though they are all the time, I'm looking at YOU Texas)

>>9839903
>>9839914
>>9839901
>>9839892
But imagine that the convict had raped your daughters to death and skinned them, leaving their mutilated bodies for you to find.

Imagine if some psycho fuck decided to chop of all the limbs of your dog and film it, making you watch as the dog cries, howls and bleeds to death.

Imagine if some serial killer had abducted children and taken them to a dungeon where he ate them alive.

Imagine if your girlfriend's ex--boyfriend tied you up to a chair and made you watch as he burned your family alive.

All of these people are too dangerous to live. There is a reason we have this penalty.

>>9839948
Rape, molestation, murder and questioning dear party!

>>9839974
"Tough cases make poor laws"

>>9839974

It's called a life sentence.

>>9839968
>catch guy with dead hookers in his walls
>confesses
>40 million dollar trial followed by 40 years of tax payer supported living

>>9839974

i would the person myself in that case.

>>9839974
Man, you got a sick imagination. I like that. Let's start a crime show, or at least a crappy horror film.

For. It's expensive as fuck, so whoever's on death row should just be shot with 2 49 cent 9mm bullets in the face as opposed to injecting them with >$1m worth of death.

>>9839985
>>9839990
no one ever gets out of prisons

>>9840003
But you are utterly helpless.

>>9839993

Nice ludicrous case bro.

Also, confessions don't mean shit. While it may be against the law, police stations often devoid the suspect of sleep, water and food so he is fatigued and he confesses.

For, but the problem is, is that the death sentence costs as much as supporting an inmate in deathrow for 40 years.

>>9840006

It's extremely rare that one would get out of prison. You've more chance of winning the court case.

gotta love Spartacus blood and sand

>>9840011
ludicrous case?


I live in Cleveland and we caught a serial killer//serial rapist just a year ago who did that very thing, plus he dumped unknown numbers of bodies around places.


He also raped people...a lot.

WHAT IF YOU WERE ACCUSED OF CHILD PORNOGRAPHY
IT WAS PLANTED ON YOUR HARD DRIVE
FALSE VICTIMS CAME FORWARD
YOUR SPERM WAS MOVED FROM YOUR SPERM RAG TO SOME 10YOS VAGINA

WHAT THEN? DEATH PENALTY?

See, I can make idiotic, extremely unlikely events up as well.

For death penalty as an ultimate deterrant.

Would be happy with life sentences if they brought back chain gangs and the governments and "human rights advocates" avoids political correctness with prisoners. Make them labor rather than sit in a cell eating away tax money.

>>9840041
You fucking redneck republicans make me sick. Go jerk off to Palin and listen to Glenn Beck.

>>9839993

I saw that on a movie.

>implying the death penalty is an effective deterrent

>>9840044
We still have chain gangs. In fact, I just saw a few prisoners cleaning up shit on the highways in jumpsuits.

>>9840050
>Implyiing life in jail is an effective deterrant.
>Implying going to jail is not a badge of honour for gangs and youths.

>>9839892

...Expensive in comparison to letting them sit in jail their whole life? idontthinksotim.jpg

>>9840066

>implying because neither one works we should barbarically kill the criminal
>implying many criminals don't want to die and wouldn't long for the fresh prick of the needle

>>9840079
>free food
>free anal
>free bed
>free books
>free tv

>>9840077

Someone hasn't researched their facts.

>>9840004
I've got more.

Say, if I were a serial killer, and some girl made fun of me in high school or something, I would find her while she is pregnant, get her alone, and take out my rusted knife. Then I would use it to slice her open alive from the edge of the vagina to the jaw, and eat the still breathing fetus in front of her if she is still alive.

>>9840087
Someone hasn't realized that the 40 appeals prisoners receive is excessive

>>9840079
>Misses the point to fix your flawed arguments.
>Go off on a tangeant
>Typical modern day hippy, arts student.

Wild animals don't have a place in society. They deserve to be put down. It's for their own good.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-and-death-penalty

>>9840094
That's lame and little gross.

It wouldn't taste good, and it being a fetus she wouldn't be overly attached to it(except by that cord).


Wait until the kid's older you idiot.

Against death penalty, but for the life sentence. Criminals should spend their time in isolated chambers, serving food and water at a normal rate, no work and no form entertainment, even at minimal sentences because having something to do makes time pass faster. Let them sit the entire thing through.

>>9840094

They should make that into a porno.

Pro death penalty.

>>9840115
oh god the boredom would kill me

Firing squad. People like public executions, look at them throughout history.

>>9840128

People like the stoning of adulterous women.
Look at them throughout history.

Against. I think it's far crueller for someone to spend the entire rest of their lives in some hell whole of a jail anyway

>>9840138
>>9840128
People like women being raped by animals publicly throughout history, look it up.

For it in theory but needs to have better restrictions in place to assure that you are killing someone who is actually guilty (DNA, several witnesses, etc). Premeditated murder should be automatic, and child rapists (not statutory, actual rape) should be put away forever, no parole under any circumstances.

Society should not be expected to feed and clothe a murderer for the rest of his life...nor should we be expected to tolerate people who cannot be helped (child molesters).

What's cool in non-third-world-countries it's those kind of topics are already settled.
HEY GUISE SHOULD WE ACT LIKE GRIEVOUS BARBARS TO GRIEVOUS BASTARDS OR SHOULD WE ACT LIKE A CIVILIZED SOCIETY?
I WONDER HEH. WHAT IF WE SAID THE ROLE OF THE STATE WAS TO HELP THE MOST POWERFUL AND THE WEAK COULD FUCK HIMSELF? THAT WOULD WORK.

>>9840145
Child raping, little girl murdering mad man laughs in your face as he watches cable tv.

>>9840094

>eat the still breathing fetus
>breathing fetus
>breathing
>fetus

I have been against it but spending time here on the internet changed me.

People convinced me that the absolute form of justice to a murderer would be murder as well.

If he cant show mercy then we must stand tall and show none to them.

>>9840155
>he thinks violent murders are afraid of death
>he thinks putting them in endless prison is not better than killing right away
>he thinks society should adjust to violent criminals level
>hahaha oh wow

The only ones against it are the pampered idiots of the first world.

I live in a third world country and I can't use public transportation because there's a high risk of getting mugged/killed not by common thieves but by fucking gang members.

Dozens of murders everyday, the youth getting corrupted and the political parties swimming in money fuck yeah.

>>9840173
Life is the only thing they have. We take that away and they have nothing.

>>9840177
I see your own society is really working alright.
I'm totally sure the fact that people are murdered daily is the cause of all that political crap going on and not the fact that you're not able to lead a country the right political way and thus enforcing stupid martial like laws which have no effect but promoting a more violent society.
Enjoy your violent death by gang/state, I'll be other there in my peaceful country.

>>9840173

>he thinks allowing a murderer to continue to eat, sleep and breathe is justice.

>>9840154
http://theync.com/media.php?name=1970-aborted-baby-still-alive-with-its-organs-on-the-outside

>>9840173
If we absolutely and positively find someone with certainty who has committed illegal acts and killed/damaged people without any signs of regard to their lives then he deserves nothing less than what he has been dealing out.

Its just not fair to the victims.

>>9840186
>he thinks the murderer didn't expect to die anyway
PROTIP: everyone dies at the end
>>>9840199
>he thinks he can define what justice is

>>9839872
I'm for it but not for the same reasons as everyone else
most people think that some crimes are so "evil" that they must be killed as punishment.
the reality of the matter is that revenge doesn't help the victim
I think the death penalty should be reserved for individuals that we can't repair. To me, it is worse to keep someone in a cage their entire life than to just end them in a painless way.
TL;DR killing people for revenge is wrong even if it is done by the government. People should only be executed if they can't be rehabilitated.

>>9840220
Fuck the cage.

Bring back chain gangs. Get those fuckers doing something productive. Save those delicious lethal injection drugs for other things.

oh, jesus christ what was that?!?
i'll tell you what motherfucker,
this thread has been interrupted by bono!

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>>9840194

I'm not saying that my society is working fine, in fact, it's almost complete crap.

Perhaps I'm a bitter asshole but that's the way it's supposed to be when I see that we as a country will never advance.

Yeah enjoy your paradise and looking down on others.

>>9840213
Stop with that bullshit Lex talionis, it was 4000 years ago, maybe we could evolve out of it a bit?
We had a few things going on since...

dunno if it has been mentioned but I'm against the capital punishment. I'd rather castrate people who have committed serious crimes(i.e. murder, rape, not stealing a fucking donut cause you were dying of hunger) so they can't propagate their genes and indoctrinate their children.

>>9840220

It isn't about revenge or what a murderer is afraid of (as some posters have weirdly used as an argument). It is unjust to ask taxpayers to financially support a person who murdered someone. Jail space is finite, so are taxpayer dollars.

>guy kills 5 people
>gets caught and given death penalty
>take his 1 life with a quick, painless injection

I say imprison them for life given oatmeal and broccoli to eat and have them sleep on the floor in a concrete cell, then burn them alive when they're old and about to die.

>>9840246
I just said that your society could probably work better if the people at the head of the state didn't have the rights to jail/kill anyone who would oppose them, and if they would actually enforce crime in the country.
The value of life is what is given.
If you let your policemen fire on protesters, no wonder criminals will do the same when they break in your home.

For, tending to violent criminals is a waste of money and resources and comes at the expense of the lawful.

>>9840247

Explain how showing mercy to those who do not deserve mercy is 'evolving'. Coddling murderers is not enlightened, it is irresponsible.

Against, no one should be able to kill someone and say killing is wrong. It's not rational.

Americans only kill niggers and camp psycho's, so I guess robots are ok with this.

>>9840247
Stop having sex. We can cum in a jar now..sex is so last millennia.

>>9840271

Protests are always full of baseless arguments and violence here.

My country is El Salvador just to make my point. I don't see any other solution than capital punishment. When we had a dictatorship there where hardly any common crimes, almost zero, that says something.

Perhaps I'm not conveying my argument in the best possible way but you need to experience this constant bullshit that we call government over here.

>>9840283
Completely and totally and all the way wrong.

You guys do realise that it costs more in legal fees when it comes to all the appeals and due diligence in capital cases yeah?

>>9840323

Justin Beaver dude, Beaver.

>>9840305
>man I was that dictatorship, at least then the government got shit done

>>9840044
yeah the rape is the real deterent

did you know NY doesn't kill people?
yet for some reason people aren't dying to go to our prisons

>>9840323
Yes, that's why we need to limit the appeals.

>>9840213

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"

And, doing it will solve nothing for the victims. The deed is still done.

>>9840349
so you're against the death penalty but pro rape?

>>9840342

Excuse me, what?

blockz

>>9840350

This. The current system of seemingly endless appeals (in many US states) is absurd.

>>9840358
Exactly. When someone takes your eye, blow his fucking head off.

>>9840366

"Rape", I see it as "surprise sex classes".

>>9840358

>Garbage platitudes.

>>9840366
no you fucking idiot
i am for the death penalty in cases where the criminal can't be repaired

what i think is that no one should ever be sent to a US prison as it is cruel and unusual punishment

if you can't stop the rape in the box you shouldn't be locking people up in the box

and it isn't just a little rape. as much rape happens to men in prison as happens to women on the outside

not ratio but equal numbers
1 population is a few mill the other is abotu 150 mil
so yeah

>>9840398
>guy gets pushed into drug dealing
>tries to give it up
>goes to prison
>gets raped
>comes out a hardened criminal

The problem I have with it is that it is basically state sanctioned murder. They say you cannot kill another human being, yet they go on to say they can kill you for being too horrible a person? Hypocrisy. From an emotional standpoint, people love hard justice, they love getting a raging hardon whenever an evil criminal gets his/her just desserts. By that token, these same people foam at the mouth whenever somebody runs over a dog and want bloody vengeance, they'd see all sex offenders, even the innocent ones (think caught with cp or some such here) castrated or hanged.

These people are awful, blood thirsty savages and, well, we always have been like that because it helped us survive. Not so much anymore, we don't really need to act like this. Certainly, it's hard to argue against just ending the life of someone who seems to be potentially beyond redemption, not that there are really that many people who are that bad to begin with. In reality, the argument is more complicated and expensive. You have to make sure you have the right person, all that stuff.

Armchair philosophers are the first ones to cry out and loudest voices in the crowd from their comfortable vantage point of self-righteous bigotry. The problem is they just froth and howl about the first thing that comes into their heads and don't bother thinking at all about the complex nature of such debates and as such, should shut their fucking mouths and stopping running off at the mouth, acting like a pack of rabid assholes.

So I'm against murder of any kind but the argument is quite complicated and I'm not really in a position to be able to say with any sort of authority of certainty what position is 'right', I still have leanings against it.

>>9840409

Everyone has a choice to commit crimes or not. Anyone who claims they are 'pushed' into doing anything is making poor excuses.

>>9840412
tl;dr
Here's a related picture coming from before the French had death penalty (fuck year guillotine).

>>9840425
>I'm a white male living in my parents middle class home

>>9840409
are you dissagree in with that post or agreeing with it? seems like we are in agreement

>>9840442

>I have nothing intelligent to say in refutation.

I am against it.

against unless they hit serial killer/rapist level

>>9840486

I'm sure that is a comfort to all the people killed/raped up to that point.

Yes and no.

Prison should be about re-educating people.
Don't want to give killers a second chance.

OH ME. OH MY.

I think death penalty is a pretty humane punishment for people who have done serious shit. Let them suffer for the rest of their lifetime in jail instead. Besides, the risk of killing innocent people is unacceptable. I say lifetime emprisonment should be used a whole lot more, and it ought to be non- whaddayacallit, you know, when you can't be pardoned from the punishment unless you are proven innocent with DNA- testing, or other "hard" evidence.

The problem, idiots, is given the State the right of life and death over the citizens. Who decides what is a crime? If you murder somebody during a war, you won't go to jail, you will be given a medal. What if the Republican party composed by a majority of Christian fundies, decides that abortion should be punished with the death penalty? How about being gay is a sin? How about smoking weed? Or tobacco? Look at countries like Singapore, where if you're caught with enough weed you get the death penalty.

against against against
even child raping serial killers should not have the death penalty not no way not no how

>>9840504
>Prison should be about re-educating people.

Prison is NEVER about re-educating people. Prison exists to (1) punish those who commit crimes, and (2) keep them away from the general population. It is not about reform.

The death penalty is perfectly fine with me. I don't give a fuck about any murderers. They get what they had coming.

>I am for the death penalty in cases where the criminal can't be repaired.

Nigga, a human is not a car. You can't repair a psycho murderer. And if you could, so what? There are going on 10 billion people on this planet. If we killed every person on death row, we'd still be overpopulated.

Stop being a bunch of super-save-a-hoes and see reality for what it is: a shit hole.

Killing criminals is not about revenge, it's about protecting citizens from dangerous segments of the human population that have forfeited their right to live in society. Why should I pay for them to live? I don't want them to live. They can stay at your house, bitch.

>>9840663

There aren't 10 billion people on this planet.

We aren't overpopulated.

I do agree with you on everything else, though.

Against. Giving the government the right to take away peoples lives puts you on a slippery slope. Right now it's fairly okay because it's only murderers and the dregs of society, but you have to wonder when they're going to try and cross the line.