>>9749163
They've never used one
They can't afford one

Macs are awesome, switched about 2 years ago and haven't looked back.

>>9749187

Enjoy your half as powerful PC for twice the price

+ easy to use
- overpriced: comparable performance from a generic windows/linux/etc pc costs half as much

It costs twice as much for something half as good.

Meh for gaming, but if you have the money, go for it.

OP if you really want a Mac just get whatever PC you can afford and install OSX on it

They're faggots who need to jump on the bandwagon, and are mad because of the price.

they are expensive for what you get and if you buy one you are susceptible to apple's lock-in strategies

They are praised as the second coming of christ by hipster douchebags even though they are stupidly overpriced, have mediocre hardware and can't do a single thing a Windows PC can't do as well or better.

>>9749200
They last twice as long so it evens out.

>>9749265

You don't even know what you were trying to say here yourself, do you?

>>9749265

Maybe if you only use a browser and a word processor. Specs-wise they're outdated as soon as you buy them.

>>9749278
you'd be a total idiot to buy a mac for gaming, and not much else needs up to date hardware

Take the 1k you would spend on a MacBook and spend it on a PC that is twice as good, instead.

Pro: Easy-to-use OS, lack of viruses, 1 manufacturer makes shopping easy

Con: Hella expensive, shit tier hardware, associated with pretentious douches, program library is basically null (especially games)

>>9749298

Right, no macfags buy a mac to edit photos or video.

Actually, I've bought an iMac yesterday. It has yet to arrive, though.

I'm just sick of all the crap Windows throws at users. A few days ago, the TCP/IP driver stopped working on my parents' computer. I wasn't able to fix it, so I had to reinstall the whole system. Then along came the wireless zero configuration shit and Outlook acting not like it should. Fuck that shit.

I want a computer that doesn't give me as much shit during use and mac seems to do just that. Linux is a bit overdone. I don't like the looks of any Linux distribution I've seen.

Besides, anything that can break Microsofts monopoly and make them make proper products has my support.

You'd be associated with mac fanboys

>>9749224

This man has it here. If you like the OS, buy a cheap computer and install OSX on it yourself. Don't get trapped in Apple's marketing schemes. You have much more control over what you want if you do it this way. Don't like OSX anymore? Dump it and try Win7. Don't like that either? Dump it and get Ubuntu etc etc

Unless you're in school (or have a job doing) media design, then it's really, REALLY not worth it. I have a mac because I'm in film school. I don't use it for anything else but editing.

Macs are shitty, point-and-drool computers that are overpriced, have hardware you can't even replace yourself and operating systems designed for morons. A new one comes out every year with a shinier finish on the outside just so you'll spend another $1000 upgrading it for no reason.

Apple is a fucking evil company.

>>9749298

What, praytell, would you buy a mac for, anyway?

What can it do that Windows can't and that justifies paying up to $2000 more?

They are overpriced for what they are. Hardware quality is not as high as some people would like you to believe, they do however have a very high resale value compared to other manufacturers.

i have never owned one, nor do I intend to. I've been a Linux guy for 7 years, I build my own machines, there is no attraction to me.

>>9749163
Expensive, unupgradeable, pretentious, Fisher Price bollocks

To be fair they're not rubbish, and my understanding is that imovie and the like are actually pretty good for CGM-level stuff, but the money you save from buying a PC can go towards industry-level software instead.

Macs are just a waste of money.

>>9749316
>implying the layout of the popular distros even differ much from that of a mac

faggot.

>>9749316
Or you could just learn to not be such a fuckwad with computers.

oh you

But as an expert I have to tell you RISC architechture (what Macs have) has a lot of benefits compared to CISC (which is most of the other processors have)

>>9749316
>uses Outlook

There's your first mistake.

>>9749316

>Besides, anything that can break Microsofts monopoly

You're robbing Peter to pay Paul as the saying goes. But I'll spare you the RMS style rants.

>>9749163

macs ARE pc's. Thing is, mac's cost more and use OSX which to many is far less functional that alternative operating systems. So in reality you are paying all the extra money for an operating system that really doesn't offer you any advantage of a free linux distro.

Another reason many people don't like mac are because of the people that own them. They tend to walk around repreating stupid false marketing propoganda like "MACS ARE SO MUCH BETTER THAN PC'S, THEY DON'T EVEN GET VIRUSES". They don't realise that to anyone that knows even a little bit about computers, this is just complete bullshit. So yea, macs are overpriced, underfunctioning and will turn you into a fanboy when you try to convince yourself you didn't make a mistake about buying one.

That being said, I stand by my original statment, a mac is a PC - just costs a bit more.

>>9749305

Won't be able to play the "no-virus" card either, soon. With the increase of popularity regarding Macs, people will be writing more Mac-targeted viruses'.

>>9749366

Thanks for the new idiom bro, never heard that one before.

>>9749326
Logic Pro.
I wish I could afford a Mac just so I could use Logic Pro. It's fucking awesome.

They're good for certain purposes OP, and if you're not that into computers and can afford it - go for it! They're easy to use and maintain.
A lot of people here will whinge about how you should build it yourself, but I wonder how many of those people built their own speakers...

>>9749322
>>9749224
Hardware compatability problems. Especially if you plan on using external audio stuff.

>>9749367
>implying Linux is a good desktop OS

It kinda boils down to Apple being absolutely evil.

>>9749399
>implying linux is an operating system

lrn2kernel bro.

in during mac vs PC shitstorm

>>9749388

>implying you can "maintain" a Mac, instead of having to buy a whole new one

>>9749399
>implying you're not trolling

either you're trolling or you just never took the time to learn it.

1) the "ease of use" is subjective. It may work for you, it may not. If you REALLY prefer a UNIX-like system, try Ubuntu.
2) Macbooks actually have terrible overheating problems; the "quality" Mac fans talk about is really nonexistent. I've seen better-built Acers.
3) Expensive, duh.
4) http://lifehacker.com/5360150/install-snow-leopard-on-your-hackintosh-pc-no-hacking-required

There's no reason to get a Mac at all. You can DIY a Mac for $900, and outperform the ones Apple makes. You will get higher quality parts that will last longer, save money, and still get the Mac OS... that is, if you actually wanted it.

also, sage for trolls.

>>9749388

Building your own speakers is a little known art. Building your own computer is rife and as easy as lego. Ask /g/ they'll sort you out with guides and all sorts. They like blending people's builds for them.

>>9749421
I mean general system maintenance. You can replace a lot of parts in the desktop ones though, but repairing any computer shouldn't really have to come down to that.

All the people complaining about Mac fanpeople being nobs are stupid. The fan of a product doesn't have any bearing on the quality of the product. You all sound far too image obsessed.

>>9749399

lol, if you are too retarded to a decent distro you could still use ubuntu and get a far more rewarding experience that OSX

>>9749399
ubuntu 10.04
you're welcome

>>9749439
Building speakers is a piece of piss. You can even get kits.
It's a lot easier than building computers. I built my computer, by the way.

>>9749388
as it so happens, audio problems are getting much easier
check the comments on this guy's link:
>>9749435

I don't know. You probably won't listen to us and just buy what you want, anyway.

>>9749435

yeah for anyone who has done a hackintosh or vmware, they'll realise how useless the Mac OS is. Only peopple who actually payd for the OS defend it as the are trying to convince themselfs they didn't waste their money.

>>9749479

I know nothing about building speakers but as the other guy said, building a computer is easier than an age 7 + lego set

>>9749434
there's no consistency between applications, loads of things need the command line to configure, software drivers are a bitch to find ... and so on

it's powerful for servers and academic applications but for everyday desktop use it's terrible.

>>9749485
1) Your spelling is shit.
2) I'm >>9749435 and I have used Macs and there are parts of OS X that I really like. For instance, the God-tier preview built into the system. And Quicksilver has no Windows or Linux peer. (Launchy and GNOME-Do are at best 70% of what Quicksilver is.)
3) that said, I don't like Macs.

>>9749512
you have never used Ubuntu, lol.
Also, CLI > GUI. Back when I was a kid, CLIs were all we had. Sorry you're spoiled and can't use a real computer.

You can't play Starcraft 2 on a mac.

Or maybe you can. I don't know and i don't care enough to find out.

>>9749500
Building speakers is easier. I have done both.

>>9749480
Maybe I'll check that guide out. How compatable are Hackintoshes with Pro Tools? Just wondering.
Nevertheless, if you have no interest in building computers, you could do worse.

>>9749526
You can, actually. All Blizzard games since Warcraft 1 ran on both Mac and PC.

>>9749524
This is what freetards actually believe

This pic sums the entire argument up.

What it comes down to is personal preference, personally I could never justify the price tags on Macs though, and I think you get a bit more freedoms on a 'pc'.

The people who always boast about mac having no viruses are likely the ones owning MACS that are loaded with rootkits

I use Windows and I don't have to worry about any virus because I'm not a total idiot. A sandbox will work wonders.

>>9749545
I have no idea about Pro tools on Hackintoshes but the general situation is that some Hackintosh setups have sound issues, but otherwise everything seems to run fine. If you use the hardware outlined in the guide, you are guaranteed a smooth setup and system. It's the system the guide writer tests his process on.

>>9749553
App launchers like Quicksilver and Launchy, web CLIs like Ubiquity and bookmarklets, Google's new CLI app... all of them are proof that power users get things done faster with the keyboard. That's just how it is. CLI > GUI. GUI was made for the common man.

macs are terrible piles of shit. every time someone finds an extraordinary use for the technology present, apple releases an update to break it.

oh, and their new shitfone 4000 has a DESIGN FLAW where if you hold it a certain way, YOU CAN'T CALL ANYONE. what's their response? "don't hold it that way. here, buy a 30 dollar skin we developed just for this design flaw!"

I've been using macs since I was a kid. My dad worked for apple in the 70s and thus has always preached about how awesome they are, especially since he is a designer of sorts as well.

So I don't appreciate the people on here who assert that every Mac user is a hipster, since I'm certainly not, and my family has been using Apple products since before you were born.

As for my reasons for liking Macs, it's really a lot of things: ease of use, lack of viruses, security, stability (my Mac hasn't crashed in years, and it's eight years old and runs better than new PCs), good graphics software, eye candy, a good customer support system, and awesome, innovative features. You can't deny that Apple has been revolutionizing while Microsoft tried to ride on its coattails.

Apple has a track record of greatness, and if you deny it then you're a bitter poorfag who only wishes he could buy one.

>>9749512

Interesting, I find windows intolerable for everyday desktop use. It is always needing something done to keep it in good state. I guess a lot of years on Linux make so called problems seem like nothing to me. I understand the bafflement of some windows users. But I bet someone who had used windows for a month would be just as baffled as a linux user who had been using *it* for a month.

What I always hated about Macs is the OS along with the mouse. I mean, the fucking mouse has one button on it. And then they give you the Apple key on the keyboard which takes the place of the PC's right mouse button. It makes no fucking sense and pisses the hell out of me whenever I have to use a Mac.

they look gay
they cost more than a comparable pc
everyone who has one is a massive faggot fanboy
they fail at games
the iphone fails compared to the android
they are gay

>>9749650
Apple helped start the PC market. They used to be really great back when the Woz was in charge. However, now, it's just Jobs tricking people out of their money.

As it so happens, your Mac that you've had for 8 years is BY DEFINITION too underpowered to even compare to my netbook. You're just trolling, and not good at it.

However you are helping us hate Mac users more ;)

>>9749655

Yeah reason I like linux is your can fix everything yourself... x server doesn't start, oh just edit the config file no biggie... but on windows imagine if you installed the wrong display drivers, BSOD, no recovery.

Bought a mac at work because my boss wanted an iphone app, within 2 months I needed to reinstall the OS because it failed to boot after an apple update. I googled the error message and this turned out to be quite a common problem...

I would have forgiven this type of shit if it was 1998, but it's 2010. This experience alone, I will never personally buy a mac.

Whyever would enyone ever buy a pc that is worse than a regular computer, costs twice as much and makes you look like a hipsterfag?
I hear mac prides themselves in being "easy to use" but seriously, a regular computer isn't in any way "hard to use", but I suppose utter morons needs a computer as well.

>>9749710

agreed, apple have no excuse for this failure, and with the price people are paying for their products, it amazes me that anyone still takes apple seriously.

>>9749595
>Google's new CLI app

What? Tell me more!!

I'm thinking of taking miscellaneous PC parts, putting them together, putting Ubuntu 10.04 on them, and selling them to people who would normally buy an iMac.

I think I will make thousands.

The OS is nice, the price is not worth it though.

The one pro for me is that I'm an iPhone App developer, and I can actually use the iPhone SDK on a mac.

>>9749744
http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/06/introducing-google-command-line-tool.html

Gina Trapani at lifehacker buzzes a lot about it.

>>9749753

call it the iWin.

>>9749708
That used to be the case in XP but Win7 is much better about this.
That said, most SERIOUS problems in Windows require reinstalls. On Linux, you can usually fix things if you are experienced. Even so, reinstalling Linux is faster anyways.

>>9749224

This. Build a Hackintosh.

You can build the exact same computer as a Mac Pro for $1300 instead of $3000.

>>9749764
lol I think I'll get sued.
How about uWin? lol.

>>9749655
OSX is low maintenance as well, and it's dumbed down so far that absolutely anyone can use it with next to no experience. It just comes at the price of being really, really expensive and having no customizability.

OP has this thread made any impact on the decision of a computer you're in the market for? no?

PC person here.

I used to hate Macs because they were not very solidly made, and because I would look at the comparison of PC vs. Mac and like everyone else here, say that the PC was better because it had better specs.

Now I'm reconsidering. The new Macbooks are excellently put together, not only do they look aesthetically great and fit in just about any backpack or bag, they feel solid as hell too.

The other thing is, many of the talking points people here are repeating have become irrelevant. For everyone but a user who needs a computer with specific professional software for a certain industry, OSX will have easy access to any program you need, sure there may not be 10,000 programs that do the same thing like for Windows, but there will be one or two that do the given task extremely well. Next is hardware, five years ago it meant something to have high end hardware, upgrading constantly was advantageous even to the normal user. Not anymore though, with OSX being pretty streamlined and Macs coming with decent hardware, these days you only end up paying a marginal amount more for the same hardware, but it comes in such a better put together package. You get hardware thats fine for everything you're going to be doing on your Mac, short of some more extreme tasks that may need ultra high end hardware (oif you need this, you will know.)

The last point is what I've experienced with every Windows computer. Aids. After 2-3 years, every Windows computer slowly turns into a steaming piece of shit. It runs fucking excellently until you have it for a while, and then it just slows and slows, until you are forced to upgrade. As far as I've hear, this doesn't happen nearly as early as it does for Macs, if it happens at all.

I need to get a new computer in the coming year and I'm definitely going to be considering a Mac as one of my top options.

Pic unrelated but awesome.

>>9749800
I disagree. My roommate who used a Macbook reinstalled his OS every other month.
>>9749803
He was trolling.

>>9749810

Windows will only turn into shit if you don't care of it.

WHY DOES MY COMPUTER THAT'S LOADED WITH MALWARE TAKE FOREVER TO START UP?

Overpriced
No games.

There really is no reason to go for a mac.

>>9749810
>these days you only end up paying a marginal amount more for the same hardware

lolno.

1300 vs 3 grand is not "marginal."

>>9749833
DAD, DON'T TALK SMACK ABOUT MOM ON 4CHAN!!

My Windows PC has never seen a virus, and the only time it's ever crashed was my own fault because I built in the graphics card wrong.

I guess if you're too dumb to avoid this stuff, go for a Mac.

>>9749833
Sorry but that's a fallacy, I take excellent care of all my computers and have nothing on any of them that should cause them to perform any slower than they did when new. Yet they still do, this kind of shit just happens with PC's.

>>9749810
>and then it just slows and slows, until you are forced to upgrade

Wow. You... you... I just don't know anymore. Goddamn.

>>9749829
I've only ever needed 1 reinstall, and that was from playing around with a pirate copy of parallels that ended up breaking some stuff.

>>9749810
>The new Macbooks are excellently put together
they overheat
>not only do they look aesthetically great and fit in just about any backpack or bag, they feel solid as hell too.
same thing with any other 15" laptop.
>Macs coming with decent hardware
The processors are shit
>sure there may not be 10,000 programs that do the same thing like for Windows
you live in a fantasy world
>After 2-3 years, every Windows computer slowly turns into a steaming piece of shit.
That is because most people have no idea what they are doing. As it so happens, Macs get like this too if they're not kept clean. Shocker I know.
>I need to get a new computer in the coming year and I'm definitely going to be considering a Mac as one of my top options.
"a fool and his money are easily separated."

Everyone saying NO GAEMS is smalltime. Mac just got STEAM and is playing the same games you play on PC.

Also, the only reason I use MAC is because I am in the filmmaking industry, and all the tools I need are there.

>>9749810
Windows XP turns to shit after a while, true.

It is a decade old. A decade.

Admittedly Win7 hasn't really been released long enough for conclusive proof, but based on the amount of uptime you get (I'm on 90 days, it's still as snappy as 90 seconds uptime), I'm quite confident this is a problem of the past.

>>9749862
>>9749856
What causes it? I've never got malware or anything, but it seems to happen with all my PC's.
Even if I reformat it it still becomes dick slow in about 2 weeks. Well frustrating.

>>9749856
ah sorry man, I guess no one told you, but NTFS needs to be defragged regularly.
I guess you forgot that.

>>9749758

Awesome. Thanks. I too prefer CLI

>>9749878
Steam on Mac is really slow, and Steam games on Mac run slower in OS X than in Windows on the same Macbook.
>>9749889
Well, you probably install shit, and then get all sorts of background services running. If you knew what you were doing, you wouldn't have that problem.

>>9749848

3 grand? Sorry but like most people in this thread you're making the price difference look way bigger than it actually is. Maybe it used to be that way but the gap is closing, Macbook Pros even start at $1200 now and you can get a decently equipped regular Macbook for less. Remember, you can't really compare number to number when it comes to hardware between the two choices and when it comes to the actual usability (read: end performance of the hardware when coupled with the OS) of the product the price ranges even out even more.

I am confident in saying that a $1200 PC will, in terms of end user experience and speed, perform the same as an equivalently priced Apple product.

I own a mac and im going to cut the trend here. Im not too big of a fan of OSX and if you buy a mac your going to look like those giant faggots who buy anything steve jobs creates. I mean i LOVE my mac just i would prefer to install windows on it (Doing this currently) You will love your mac but after a while you will just be frustrated by not being able to play alot of games and alot of software does not support OSX.
tl;dr Computer is good, OS is trash and if you enjoy customization you will hate OSX

>>9749332

>there is no attraction to me

Truer words were never said. Fucking lifetime virgin spotted.

How is th fleshlight, anyway?

>>9749913
No, I only have a choice few programs I use. I don't install random shit. Don't even play games.
I know what I'm doing to a decent extent. I couldn't go and alter my registries and shit, but I still know about computers.

>>9749874
>The processors are shit

Do you even know what's in a Mac? They use the same Intel CPUs as PC's dipshit, that's why you can run Windows and OSX on the same machine now.

OH HLY MOTHERFUCKING SHIT ITS A PCVS MAC THREAD ARE YOU FUCKING HAPPY OP YOU FUCKING WHORE?

>>9749933

Reread what I wrote. Not a Macbook, a Mac Pro.

>>9749947

don't hate on virginfags with fleshlights, I think a fleshlight is a far more practical tool than a fucking mac

>>9750003
>http://www.apple.com/macpro/

Look at that. 3 grand. I was right.

>>9749933
3 grand is a Mac Pro, which is even more overpriced than a Macbook (Pro). That's what he's talking about.

Also, a $1200 Macbook pro:
2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor
250GB 5400-rpm hard drive
NVIDIA GeForce 320M graphics processor

First $1200 13-incher I found on newegg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834110411
Fujitsu LifeBook S760
OS: Win7 professional
CPU: Intel Core i5 520M(2.4GHz)
RAM: 2GB DDR3 1066
HDD: 320GB 7200rpm
Graphics: Intel HD (shared video memory)

Basically, the Macbook has a juicier GPU, but it's weaker in every other aspect. The non-Mac has a quad-core, which drastically increases performance (I'm on an AMD quad right now), more HDD space with a faster drive, and it probably has faster RAM (though the Macbook didn't list its RAM amount or speed). Simply put, the PC outperforms the Mac at the same price range - oh, and if you put your own computer together, you can get that kind of performance for $800 or less.

>>9750018

YOU CANNOT GET A FLESHLIGHT INTO YOUR ANUS, WHERAS A MAC HAS ROUNDED EDGES.

SHUT YOUR MOTH, THEN RETURN WITH BETTERNISS.

>>9750026
Quad cores don't drastically increase performance.

>>9749984
2.4-2.6GHz dual cores are shit.
on a 3.2GHz quad (AMD) and it kicks ass 24/7. I can run three servers at once on this and not even notice a slowdown.
The new Macbooks with i5s are overpriced, too, so you can't argue that you can get a quad on a Mac.

>>9750036
terrible troll, 0 knowledge of computation and multithreading etc etc

>>9750026
>desktops

Really? Unless you are a PC gamer or are using your computer for a professional or industrial application why the fuck would you use a desktop anymore?

You keep saying "the PC outperforms the Mac" just because of the numbers but the fact of the matter is that with a Mac the hardware speeds really aren't as relevant, that's why one of the major qualms with Macs is really irrelevant, once again, unless you really NEED high spec hardware the comparison is stupid.

Also, I'm on a Windows laptop now, I don't hate it, but Macbooks are a viable and sensible alternative. The Fujitsu you posted may have better hardware, but at the point where it's probably made from Fischer-Price plastic like most Windows machines I run into (and mine) a bit of a price bump is alright to get the sexy aluminum bodys of the new Macs.

And build your own? Have you graduated high school? It's not even cost efficient to build your own anymore with the dirt cheap prices of Windows desktops.

>>9750115
idiot troll.
Macbooks overheat and are made of shit plastic too.
Fact is, I have a MSI Wind u123 running Ubuntu as my laptop, and I have a desktop because I like to play games.
I didn't spend $1200 on a laptop, because laptops are made with shit. Might as well spend 1/3 that.

>unless you really NEED high spec hardware the comparison is stupid.
So what you're saying is paying the same price while getting less isn't stupid? (btw an intel quad, even at the same clock speed, is exponentially more powerful than an intel duo. Hyperthreading kicks ass.)

have -you- graduated high school, troll?

I was content with just viewing the thread until I saw this motherfucker:

>>9750115

Stop trying to defend wasting money on something with much lower specs. If you can get better for about the same price, why not? Are you that brain dead that you believe "HURR IT'S SHINY AND NICE" is a good justification? Then you don't fucking deserve a computer, because you're not buying the computer base on the function.

Also,

>Not cost efficient to build your own

Pic fucking related. I built an i5 8GB RAM PC with RAID drives for $400 less that what it would cost to buy it at the store. Your argument is fucking invalid.

>>9750158
>Macbooks overheat and are made of shit plastic too.
No, they're made of aluminium.

>>9750218
>No, they're made of aluminium.

If you're a macfag I still hate you and hope you get beaten and raped, but thanks for spelling "aluminium" correctly. I'm sick of this "aluminum" bullshit.

>>9750218
The casing itself is aluminum and the rest is shit plastic. Hell, the aluminum doesn't help because it makes them overheat worse.
Plus since the retard processors in those things are having to constantly haul ass to keep up with the shitty OS, they're always puking heat.

>>9750246
Aluminium is the correct spelling but aluminum is an acceptable idiomatic derivation.

>>9750246
That's okay. I'm not a macfag. I owned one once but I sold it.
I quite liked it actually, but I prefer having a desktop computer for Cubase purposes.
I can't get any work done on laptops.

>>9750247
They're polycarbonate.

I have a question for the knowledgeable brobots of this thread -

Are Macs really better for artfagging ?

>>9749347

Macs haven't been using PowerPC processors for years. It's all the same cheap, shitty foxconn and intel garbage that goes into every mass market PC.

>>9750196
Case quality (how durable, light, and heat-removing it is) IS an important factor in purchasing.
That said Macbooks overheat, I've been saying it a million times but nobody talks about it enough. There are a lot of Mac users who have this problem, but it's never advertised.
>>9750286
I admit that they're marginally better and they look great, but I've seen some beat-up-to-shit macbooks, they're just not really that better. It's still shit plastic.
I admit I'd pay $20 extra for a case that good-looking. Case quality is important.
But they still overheat, they still smear finger grease, they still get crumbs and shit on them, they still get scuffed up.
Laptops (including macbooks) suck.

>>9750381
>they still smear finger grease, they still get crumbs and shit on them
Jesus christ, have you heard of a table? Or a sink?

>>9750158
>So what you're saying is paying the same price while getting less isn't stupid?

Of course not, I never said you're paying the same price for less. If it lasts longer, is easier to carry around, more durable, takes less upkeep, and has many other small features that give it an edge, then giving up some processing or RAM numbers is fine, the end user experience is the same. Once again, all of these hardware comparisons are irrelevant when you don't compare the operating systems, PC nerds rage because Macs come with lower spec hardware but the fact is that they don't need the fucking hardware as much as PCs do.

I made fun of a friend of mine for getting a Macbook because he payed $1200 for the same hardware that I got for $800 until I realized how much smoother everything fucking was.

>>9750338
Not whatsoever.
Get a computer with a GTX card, it does better at rendering art stuff.
It's all about your GPU, dude. Photoshop is cross-platform, in fact the whole Adobe suite is. Maya is too. etc.

>>9750413
I don't get crumbs on my computers. However I've used others' computers. That is how I know Macbooks get shit all over them and aren't magical.
>>9750427
Macs DON'T last longer, that's the thing.
And the end-user experience is based on a placebo - Mac file transfers, for instance, are not done when they claim to be done. It's not that it's smoother, it's just pretending to be smoother.
Furthermore, if you know how to take care of Windows, it's faster than OS X on every level of hardware, including on Macs. Even though boot camp drivers try to slow Windows down, Win7 still outperforms OS X on the same computer - period.
I excuse you for your ineptitude however.

Personally, I've owned a large number of laptops and desktops (and still do) but switched to a macbook pro recently. If it helps:

- PCs are cheaper. You can get a pc with better specs for a lower price. Especially in the desktop segment the price difference is quite big.
- PCs will run more software, in general. If you're considering a mac, be sure you know whether your programs will run on OS X. Using Bootcamp / virtual machines is an alternative, but I find myself irritated when I need to use a windows program on my mac.

- Macs look better, in general. Now this can be important to some people (business reps, people ...really concerned with style, etc). To me this was a secondary argument, I like to have something that looks nice but that's it.
- OS X is incredibly easy to learn. Within hours you'll be up to speed and things'll work incredibly smooth. While the system does not have to be faster or more powerful than many pcs, to me, it -feels- smoother. It doesn't even have to be faster, but if it's not, it does a great job at fooling me.
- To me, it felt a bit liberating to be 95% free of worries about malicious software. I clean people's computers on a daily basis, people (ignorantly) install piles of rubbish. This rubbish doesn't work on OS X.
- I like terminal.

Hope it helps.

>>9750480
>Macs DON'T last longer, that's the thing.

They used to break faster than most PC's, that said, with the newer designs I am absolutely confident in saying they are more durable than your average PC. Now, I am talking laptops, and you for some reason don't like laptops (you get crumbs in them or something, not really sure.)

> It's not that it's smoother, it's just pretending to be smoother.

Cool, I'm ok with that.

>>9750533
Oh for.... I forgot to mention:

What made me go ahead and spend that bucketload of money on a macbook pro was the fact I can use it for 7 hours, without having to go into ultra-low-power-can't-see-anything-mode, and without having to resort to a battery that sticks out and is heavy.

Here's my take: My friend, an ardent apple supporter for year and years, finally broke down and bought a PC. Why, you ask? It all came one day when he was asking me questions about my computer. I told him that I was cussing my SSD purchase because it replaced a hard drive that I had won in a raffle - it meant that now, over half of my computer was bought and paid for, whereas previous over half of my computer was won in tournaments, raffles, and various other contests. It amazed him to no end that I have a PC that can run all the latest shit, and that over half of it was for free. Not to mention the fact that he's kind of a DIY type, and I think he was always a little disappointed that his mac mini was incapable of allowing him to service it in any way.

>>9749163
What people have against macs?

- A ton of prejudices left over from 1995 (one button mouse etc).
- "Macs R 4 gayz"
- Apple doesn't cater to the bargain-bin crowd, so macs are perceived as "expensive."
- Can't really DIY a mac, which turns off the propellerheads.
- Mac-bashing has always been trendy.

>>9750669
Actually, your comment did make me wonder what Apple's warranty policy is in, for example, the U.S.. Over here we've got quite decent legal protection, so even if it breaks after 2 years we can still get it serviced for free or a greatly reduced price. I can imagine that in countries where people don't have this legal protection things can look a bit grim after a year (unless you want to go for Apple's ultra-expensive care pack)

>>9750196
>I built an i5 8GB RAM PC with RAID drives for $400 less that what it would cost to buy it at the store. Your argument is fucking invalid.

It the time you spent building it included in your price?

>>9750932

Lol what, all 10 minutes of it?

You obviously know fuck all about computers.

>>9750951
Right. The parts automagically materialized in your hands and flipped into place on their own. You didn't have to do any research to decide which parts to use, where to buy them real cheap, you didn't have to order them online or buy them in a brick and mortar store.

Either you're bullshitting or your daddy did most of your work for you.

>>9750533
>- Macs look better, in general.
I don't get why people say this. If you're making a PC it's easy to buy a nice looking monitor and case or whatever.

>>9750951

Dude, it does NOT take just 10 minutes to build a computer, trust me, I just did it. Took me over 5 or 6 hours.

>>9751047

http://newegg.com

As for the building itself, it's not fuckin rocket science. You are not literally building the computer from the ground up, you're just putting a few parts together.

mostly sour grapes and a reaction to how much mac users love their computers

>>9751341

You still have to decide / research what parts to get -- unless you're just ordering a snap-tite computer kit that might as well have been assembled to begin with.

>>9751189
I agree. On the other hand, macs, -because- they're not DIY, can be made smaller (mac mini is tiny, this would be extremely hard to do without custom hardware) and be fit into places where normal hardware couldn't fit. There's more room for play for mac designers. (not a completely fair comparison, I know)

I should've said "I think macs look better than most pcs" though, I stand corrected.

>>9751451
Researching parts is a bad thing why? People should be aware of what the parts in their computers do, they should know the pricing so they don't get ripped off, fuck you.

If you're only going to do these:
-browse the internet
-listen to music
-watch movies
-do schoolwork
And if you have the money, go for a mac

If you're going to play games or run intensive software, get a PC

>>9751451

So he has to spend 10 minutes looking up something in his price range, then connecting a few wires togther and placing it in right?

That takes half a hour tops.

What are you trying to argue?

>>9751508
I agree with you to some extent: I'd rather not look into every individual part of my car either, I want it to take me from A to B, look decent, drive well and match my style. I can see the same happening in the computer market. Some people want to know the details, the "horsepower" etc. Others just want to go from A to B.

Neither is better or worse, they just have a completely different way of looking at the machine at hand. And perhaps you'll end up paying more, does that really matter? If someone's happy with their USD. 1800 mac, that's great. If someone else is happy with their USD. 500 DIY pc that does the same but required research and price comparison, that's fine as well.

>>9751508
>Researching parts is a bad thing why?
Did I ever say it was?

>fuck you.
Learn to read, dumbo.

>>9751544
Allow me to change that a bit:
- If you're going to run intensive Windows-only software, get a PC.

If your "if you have the money" argument is true, that means going for a high-spec Mac Pro is an option. That's a serious piece of machinery for video editing etc. On the other hand, I agree, if you're a gamer, steer well clear of a mac, you can get more performance for the same price.

How about "Use your brain, consider both possibilities and pick whichever fits your needs best"? I don't get the whole hating part.

>>9751586
yes, you were implying it as being a negative.

>learn to read

OK?

>Win Macbook Pro in competition
>Oh wow, this is actually quite nice!
>Browse smoother than on my PC
>Play a surprising amount of games
>Draw and feel more stylish
>Don't get many viruses

But they really aren't as powerful. If you're serious about your computing and need to do and organise a lot, just stick to a PC. Games, too.

>>9749545
Hmmm. Same. I'd still go with computer building is easier.

I just hate working with MDF and getting everything square.

And painting is a bitch. Next time i'll do veneering, which will probably be harder, but look nicer.

>>9750218
Macbooks are plastic

Macbook Pros are Metal.

>>9751638
Would you care if your car had 100 more horsepower but didn't feel any faster?

If you're obsessed with gaming and it is your life and you must spend every living second of your life "pwning" (ha just kidding you all suck) then Macs are pretty stupid.

Other than that, they rape PCs in the ass just to watch them squeal.

>>9751622
I think a lot of the argument spawns from the mac-fanboy starbucks-drinking 'cool kids'

Who say nothing all day but 'MACS R BETTER ALL THE WAY, THEY'RE SO GOOD'

It still gets under my skin.

I don't disagree with the 'it fits your needs' point. If you're in a position that you use photoshop/edit video all day every day, go for it!

If you do that, but the kicker is you still like gaming, well...looks like you're stuck with windows.

To be honest, i'm still a windows user. I like gaming too much to give it up. I also use windows XP, which, in my opinion, is the most solid, easy to use operating system ever created.

>>9751706
I agree with you there. When I got my macbook pro I thought I'd get a little involved in the mac community (after all, I knew nigh to nothing of OS X when I got it). Many folks in the mac (or even iPhone) community are true mac loyalists, I'm not.

When it's time for me to buy a new laptop I'll consider buying a Mac as much as I'll consider buying a PC. I buy what fits my needs, I see no reason to stick with either.

As a small side note, it's quite possible to install Windows on a mac, although driver support is mediocre at best. So if you enjoy a game or two, macs can still be an option. If you're serious about gaming, get that DIY pc and tweak it until you've got nothing left to blame but yourself when you get shot online.

>Have to do a team project for a class
>Other guy has a Mac
>50% of his time is spent trying to get shit to open or work right
>It's finally time to do the presentation
>Sigh of relief because he was smart enough to used a program that leaves it in Powerpoint format
>...it's now 500 Mb
>And doesn't open
>Fuck Macs

>>9751773
But really, what makes me giggle, is that mac users actually WANT to game.

I mean, if i remember correctly, some STUPID LARGE amount of users downloaded TF2 within the first week of release.

Notice all the guys with earbuds?

>>9751776
That's silly. I've never had that problem, not with programs not running (if things get really troublesome and I don't feel like sorting them out I'll just boot to Windows) nor with powerpoint presentations (I could just use powerpoint for mac, for example, but I've never had Keynote leave me with a 500meg powerpoint file either).

Your classmate's clearly doing something very, very wrong.

>>9751696
this just in there is no such thing as a normal gamer they are all addicted like they're addicted to crack
mothers against space marines

I own a mac and I still prefer PCs. What now?

>>9751869
You disliked what you bought, and aren't going to buy it again?

I'm typing this in a MacBook pro right now.

Macs are good for working, but they are absolutely horrible for games (even those that work on MacOs as much as on Windows) and they also suck at multitasking. I like the gestures on the touch pad and stuff but that's about it.

This computer was given to me by my workplace but I would never buy one myself.

>>9751776

Your problem is that you got partnered with a retard who never learnt to use a computer.
That shit's easy as it gets, even on a Mac.

>Macs are so easy to use, even a retard could do it!
>>9751848
>>9751897
>Bawww people who fuck up using a Mac are just too dumb.

If it makes you feel better, he was an illiterate dipshit. He was usually busy organizing shit for his frat.

>>9751835
*shrugs* I can't look inside the heads of other mac users (and probably don't want to). I'm a bit of a gamer myself, but nothing serious (anymore). For that reason I have a wonderful DIY desktop computer. When I'm on the road I don't need to play games (not only would I look a bit silly at work, but I'd also be uncomfortable with everyone watching me be a piss-poor player). I'm all in favor of mac ports though, for the simple reason that I like people to have a choice. For that reason I'm all in favor of linux ports as well (or the Wine project, for that).

All in all, it's a matter of understanding the weaknesses of the system you're using. If you're using windows, get yourself a proper antivirus and browser, and if at all possible read up on what you need. I've seen too many people spend too much money on PC hardware they didn't need.

If you're going to buy a mac, know that gaming is (very) limited. Know that many exotic programs simply won't work on your system (e.g. medical programs, or other specialistic stuff). Either take the hassle of setting up bootcamp for granted or get a pc to do this part of the job for you.

They're expensive door stops

>>9751924
Sorry to hear you got teamed up with a chimpansee... On the other hand, imagine what he could've caused running a PC: A malware and virus-infected computer full of rubbish... Idiot users exist on both sides, I'd say.

>>9751627
>yes, you were implying it as being a negative.
No, I wasn't. The implications were entirely in your head.

>>9751706
Also, I'll admit I find myself drinking coffee at Starbucks every now and then. Is that really such a bad thing? I like coffee. They have coffee.

>>9752073
I just had to add actions that would make them seem pretentious.

Eh, it's somewhat overpriced, but still a valid business.

>>9752114
I know, just joking around here. I'll agree they're overpriced, but when I'm desperate for coffee I'd sell my mac for a cup.

This is how I see it.

Windows- Driving a car.

OS X- Being chauffeured in an XJ.

Linux- Building your own form of transportation.

>>9751939
take your verb asterisks to some other website, asshole.

>>9752276
But I'm not all that posh...
Not a bad comparison though, respect for all sides, all sides get where they want to... well done, sir, well done.

>>9752289
Take your pointless blabbering back to /b/, asshole.

>>9752357
for one, i don't go to /b/. haven't in years.

for two, fuck off with your verb asterisks, child.

>>9749187

>>9749163
this ^

i recently bought a macbook pro. actually, i lied. my work bought it for me because my personal one died, they gave it to me because i have pretty much made their entire business easy as pie. i love it. i've always used macs back in highschool for photoshop and video+audio editing, and i loved OS X. just could never afford a mac and i'm too lazy do to hackintosh bullshit.

although, i'm not all OMFG STEVE JOBS KNOWS WHAT WE WANT, HE IS MY LEADER ^_^ etc. i think steve jobs is a moron, but i have to admit he is a very smart business man.

i also agree @ the point about the hardware being more expensive than it should be, but if you look at the prices on the Apple website for ram and such, for the types of ram they put in the computers, it's really not /that/ bad pricing. it's about the same you'd find on newegg for a lot of the parts, but the general overall final price is kind of outrageous.

>>9752414
You should, you'd fit right in.
First of all, you're ignoring the rest of my post and instead try to make an insult based on a completely arbitrary part of it. I personally consider this childish.
Secondly, you decide to use obscene language, something I too consider childish.

And you're calling me childish? Oh my...

White people like Macs. They like to rest their expensive moleskin notebooks on them in coffee shops to show how creative they are.

>>9752432
To be quite honest I find RAM prices to be one of the things that -are- very expensive on the Apple website. Being a DIY PC builder who only recently started to use Macs, I couldn't help but play with the idea of buying a relatively low-specced macbook pro and upgrading it myself. On the other hand, in the year I've owned this machine I've never really felt the need to upgrade: It's fast enough for what I'm using it for as is. Perhaps a bigger HDD some day, but that's about it.

I personally think the 'true' fanboys are doing Apple more harm than good. By making it look like its fanbase is a bunch of ridiculously zealous hipsters, they're scaring off more customers than they're attracting.

I use a Mac at home and a Windows PC at work. I only use the Mac for media and internet bullshit, so it's perfect. I have to stare at this thing every day, so it was worth paying several hundred dollars more for a nice looking product. And it saves space.

Also, this same argument has been had one million times since 1986, and it is not getting any more interesting.

>>9752568

maybe for the desktops, i didn't really look into those - but when i was looking at the macbook upgrades (I have a 13" Macbook Pro, the new 2010 series), the price to add 2GB back when they only had 2GB was about the same as an extra 2GB would be if you bought it on newegg. just sayin. i didn't really look into gfx cards and such, cause, well - thats not something i'm going to be squeezing into a laptop. i don't do a lot of gaming, and i have a desktop pc thats for when i do game (RIP motherboard that died about 3 weeks ago *sadface*)

>>9752656
I did look at the desktops, yes. Although I eventually bought a macbook pro (15" mid-2009). I didn't have to bother with memory upgrades on that one simply because it came with 4GB of RAM and upgrading to 6 or 8 would've been financial suicide. (and still is, really) Good luck getting a new motherboard, unless you're using it as an excuse to upgrade?

>>9752719
>Good luck getting a new motherboard, unless you're using it as an excuse to upgrade?

well when i built that pc, that was back when AM2 socket was hot shit. it was a great motherboard, ASUS M2N32-SLI deluxe wifi edition. <3 that motherboard so much. hard to find good motherboards with dual gbit lan nowadays. i think when i rebuild the computer i'm just going to sell the rest of the parts to it (minus ram/harddrive, never know when that'll come in handy) and completely rebuild and go intel. i'm thinking i7-930. yes yes yes i am.

>>9752468
i'm singling that point out because i have no comment on the rest of your post. i agree with it.

verb asterisks are not acceptable on this website, and you need to learn that.

>>9752831
Ah yes and here we see how a DIY PC owner ends up spending more money than a mac owner. I agree that it's pretty hard to find boards with dual gigabit lan on them (and are proper boards in general as well). Have you ever considered spending a bit of extra money on an Intel gigabit lan card (pci-e preferably)? They're quite decent and should give you much more freedom when it comes to choosing a motherboard (and on the long run it'll probably be cheaper too).

I made the mistake of spending an ungodly amount of money on a 12-port SATA RAID controller on PCI-X, so I'm stuck with ultra-expensive boards that, apart from having a PCI-X slot, are mediocre at best.

>>9752902
Now if only you had used those words. You're growing up so fast...

>>9752930

yeah i have thought about it but i'm a neatfreak when it comes to my computer cables. them being next to eachother really makes it easier for it to look cleaner. :( damn my OCD.

>>9753132
I'll admit I have a bit of that as well. I have yet to find a proper way to organize my computer cables (I connect / disconnect them quite often and regularly use different computers, so I can't really hide them well). Power cables are a big issue, it never ceases to amaze me how many devices actually need power around a pc.

>>9753219

powersquid + a LOT of cableties. i just retie them whenever i need to move it. a lot of my devices i can share (printers, etc) over the network so it makes it a lot easier. i have a hole in my desk where my external hdds and other various usb cables meet up where i can plug into my laptop or desktop as needed.

>>9753266
Mmm, you're making my hands itch to sort out the spaghetti of cables under my desk. What I really should design / make is a system of easy switches for USB cables. A bit like a KVM switch but for a bunch of USB devices. I'm sure it exists somewhere but hiding something like that in my desk would save me time and make the place look better. Power cables aren't all that hard to hide, just have to get round to doing it. I share most of my devices, but due to the way I have my desk set up that still means cables cross half the room.

Ah well, I'll get round to doing some proper planning and redecorating soon. For now, walking around with my macbook means I'm pretty much wireless whenever I'm not in my room. (bluetooth mouse (Magic mouse, what a piece of rubbish), wireless internet, battery power etc)

>>9753035
kindly fuck off. i've said my piece. leave it alone.

>>9753435
If only you had done the same in the first place. Nevertheless, I'll be off to bed. Have a nice day.

>>9749163
Overpriced equipment. Contrary to uneducated popular belief, you are not receiving superior hardware. The hardware in a Mac is exactly the same as anything you will find in a PC. The only difference being that OS X has very very very little support for most hardware.

Have fun paying exorbitant prices for a mediocre OS and limited hardware capabilities.

Fucking idiots.

>>9749316
>I wasn't able to fix it
>the wireless zero configuration shit and Outlook acting not like it should.
1) TCP/IP doesn't require drivers. It's a universal protocol that Windows has options for. One of your dumbass family members probably fucked with it and screwed it up.
2) What the fuck is wireless zero? I'm assuming 3rd party software that came with a wireless adapter? Why not just use the Windows network manager? The thing is great. Back to point 1, if you use both 3rd party AND Windows, you will fuck shit up. If someone changed options in Windows and you were using this crap, then of course it's not going to work.
3) You use Outlook Express? What the fuck is wrong with you?

What I gather is that you don't know anything about computers, so you just blame the operating system. That's a good way to justify your ignorance.

>>9749650
>stability
DOHOHOHOHO
I use both a Mac and a PC at work. Granted, the Mac is a PPC, but I've never dealt with a buggier piece of shit. It's like a 50/50 chance that the fucking thing will boot. Has so many issues with networking. Nobody can figure out how to fix it. We tried calling Apple; all they did was demand more money just to look at it.

I don't really have much against OS X... I prefer the layout of Windows more and the greater number of options available, but if you don't know how to use a computer, Macs are probably good for you.

Keep in mind, though, you are supporting one of the worst corporations in American history by buying these computers.

>>9749708
>on windows imagine if you installed the wrong display drivers, BSOD, no recovery
What? Why would you get BSoD from improper display drivers? It would default to VGA mode. Hold F8 during boot, install proper drivers, restart, if you can't see anything on the screen.

macs are the ikea of computers

also all macfags are fags

>>9749756
Isn't it nice that Apple never made XCode for Windows?

One more reason I hate them.

>>9749833
How do you even get malware on your computer in the first place? Use common sense. Stop clicking those sketchy links on all those porn sites.

Seriously, I don't have antivirus installed; haven't for years. I have gotten 1 virus because I was stupid and opened a file that was IMd to me from a friend (from a virus that he had).

>>9750932
What, are we including waiting for parts to come, or are we talking about putting it together?

The 2nd takes about 15 minutes. 15 minutes of your time is not worth $500. I don't care how important you are.

>>9751506
So, if I make a mistake when choosing hardware and realize it after I buy the computer, I'm fucked? That's great.

Whatever the fuck you do, don't get Windows 7. I'm not particularly fond of Vista, but Windows 7 just makes me rage at the thought of it. Riddled with shit compatability and useless functions.

If you got some extra cash to spend, go for a Mac.

>>9754242
Yeah, tried installing Baldur's Gate, a game from the late 90's, and the shit won't stop lagging. Same for a couple of other games

>>9752276
>XJ
Hardly. More like a Dodge Neon.

"Another reason many people don't like mac are because of the people that own them."

Yes, the fans are very obnoxious.

>>9750533
>easy to learn
I disagree, I think it takes about a week to get comfy in any new OS.
>terminal
bash is part of practically every Linux distro. The Mac terminal isn't as good as Linux/Unix. But it's still good, yes.

>>9750542
I don't get shit in my laptops, however, I hate laptops because you get less power and pay more money. I have a netbook for the rare occasion I need to have a mobile computer, and it performs great because I run Ubuntu on it. Otherwise, laptops are useless, obnoxious, and scams. (oh, and harder to customize too.)

>>9750560
Mac batteries are probably the only part of Macs that are high quality. I give you that. I love Macbook batteries.

>>9750870
Think about it this way.
Say Hyundai started selling Elantras with an ad just like the Hi I'm a Mac ad.
"Hi, I'm an Elantra."
"And I'm a generic sedan."
"Gee, generic sedan, you look like shit."
"That's cuz I am shit."
"So people who buy you..."
"Like to roll around in shit."
"So they're idiots."
"Yes."
"Huh. I guess only idiots buy anything BUT an Elantra."
>Elantra: if you don't have one, you're a fucking shithead.

That is what Apple ads are like.
(btw if you don't know from my choice about car, Elantras are absolute shit, that's why it's ironic.)

>>9750925
Apple's warranties are pretty good, but HP's are better. I had a roommate with an HP, and a roommate with a Macbook. The kid with the HP has his hard drive give out, so they sent him a new one. In two days.
>>9751047
It took me an afternoon to shop for PC parts, and I saved hundreds. It's called newegg.com.
Annnd the assembly took 30 minutes. Just saying.
>>9751189
People find Macs more attractive, usually. I sure do.
>>9751506
There are actually even smaller PC mobos. If you know what you're doing you can make a very small embedded PC about the size of a large smartphone. I'm talking 16GB flash memory, 1GB RAM, 1.2GHz processor. This thing could do quite a bit with a good Linux setup. The fact remains that being able to DIY means an exponential growth in possibility and innovation.

>>9751544
Why would you use a Mac for things that Linux does better?
>>9751575
There's an ethical question about whether what Apple, Inc. is doing is actually morally acceptable. They're scamming people.
>>9751622
>Mac users smug, consider themselves a superior race
>Why the hate, anon?
>>9751638
If I won a Macbook pro, I might start using it as my main laptop instead of my netbook. However, I'd probably sell it due to it being worth over $1000 dollars. And I could buy three netbooks with that.
Yeah, if it were free, I'd take a Macbook. But the price is just ridiculous for the bullshit you get.
>>9751665
In a hypothetical world where that actually would happen, no, I wouldn't.
However, if my CPU is another 400MHz faster, I'm gonna feel it.
If my HDD is 7200rpm instead of 5400rpm, I'm gonna feel it.
If my RAM is faster, I'm gonna feel it.
Fact is that OS X hides all this shit from you by giving a unilateral "I guess this is okay" experience. Put Windows on your Macbook, you'll get a speed boost (if you actually know what you're doing) and you'll find that upgrading your RAM, oh gosh who thought, SPEEDS YOUR COMPUTER UP.

>>9751776
That guy was just a regular idiot.
You learned your lesson - in college, do all the work yourself, or you'll get an F.
>>9752073
Starbucks is the Apple of the coffee world - overpriced, overhyped, made 4 hipsterz, a scam.
>>9752548
This is why I hate Macs, basically.

>>9753684
Yes, nowadays, since you have Intel chips and Nvidia cards, it's all the same hardware. For several hundred dollars more.
That is why you are an idiot.
>>9754026
Basically.
>>9754084
He's just ignorant of how computers work, because he has a Mac.
>>9754160
ftr I've never downloaded a virus but I got a worm over the network once; it helps to have a real-time protection app just in case your network is compromised. Firewalls in your router help too.
>>9754238
You could actually return the parts (newegg has a great RMA program) but you'd have to be REALLY STUPID (see: a Mac user) to fuck up.

>>9754242
Shit compatibility? It's 2010, dude. If your app is from 1995 IT WON'T RUN. It probably wouldn't have run on XP, which was from 2001.
They DID make a thing called XP mode for owners of Pro and Ultimate. It runs a VM of XP that integrates well into your OS, and it comes with a free XP key. That is, if you're using ancient software for some reason...
>>9754288
Use XP Mode, or VM a copy of Windows 2000. Why the fuck would you try to play a game almost 15 years old natively? You sure as hell can't run any Mac software from 15 years ago on a current Mac.
idiot.

sagefag is done sageing
you may continue your shitstorm.
age.