That can also be said for both Britian and Russia.

>>9577594
Oh, the Brits DEFINITELY need to revolt.

Yeah and maybe the world will pick up their own burdens for a change. Just think, the US packs it up and goes home. Piracy on the seas explodes, and europe goes back to fighting itself. Good times, good times.

why would us citizens revolt
they have mcdonalds in tianamen square now

The US has no need for violent governmental change. We have a voting process for that allows for peaceful change. Just because some of the more unsavory citizens decide they don't want to make use of it, doesn't mean they're justified in revolting.


>implying being at war is a reason to overthrow the current government

Oh you.

Yes they should, but no they won't, gutless poms and aussies the lot of them.

>>9577620
your government has been sending swathes of citizens to die in pointless exercises of american dominance for generations. surely you're getting sick of it?

I feel like we're in so many wars because we want to look like the tough guys, and since no one else is "saving" these other peoples/countries, we do.
I think things get pushed on to us a lot.

>>9577620
>We have a voting process for that allows for peaceful change.
Oh wait you are serious,
>bender.jgp
etc.

>>9577658
British imperialism lol

>>9577664
These people don't need "saving".

Most times, there's a reason for the invasions taking place and it's NOT "saving people".

>>9577658

Yes. That's why I voted for Barrack Obama, and not John McCain.

Also, it's not like the American people weren't SCREAMING for war after 9/11.

>>9577658
Interesting point, before the Spanish-American war the US didn't care and wanted to be left alone. Once that war was over, and WWI came around they got bullied into joining it. When WWII came around, the world when *sigh the americans* and fostering them with the title of world police, which was held by the English, French and Spanish.

I suppose the US could take it's blocks and go home, but what an interesting world it would be then.

Tip: Canadafag

>>9577664
Step 1. Fuck a country up.
Step 2. Now they need our help.
Step 3. Now we are the good guys, lol.

>>9577708
>Yes. That's why I voted for Barrack Obama, and not John McCain.

Democrats have as ugly a war record as Republicans. You won't get change from them, despite the logos.

>Also, it's not like the American people weren't SCREAMING for war after 9/11.

Which was fucking stupid of them, but it's not as if the government and their media lackeys didn't drum it up.

So why exactly do you think US fucking up , invading countries, taking their oil, eliminating sandniggers, taking out competition in oil market, overthrowing regimes that don't want to give their shit to them is actually bad for US citizens?

>>9577729

I wasn't voting for "The Democrats". I was voting for a man that I believed wouldn't want to go to war unless he had to.

>>9577708
>implying their actual policies are in any way different
>implying political rhetoric is the same as actual policy
Face it bro, it's a shit sandwich or a douche, and you are well fucked either way.

There will always be a world power. Portugal, Spain, France, England, Germany, Russia, and now the United States. The power will shift, this is definite, and so will the hate for that power.

>>9577767
because i thought that americans were committed to doing what is good, not just what is good for them.

>>9577768
Did you not watch the debates?
He was already giving Pakistan the eye before his election - and he believes in the war on terror.

>>9577800
Take a trip to african and then realize how well off you actually are.

Sure shit could be better, but some faggot will always be saying this....

>>9577830
So because things could be worse, they should never be made to be better?

Derp?

>>9577768
>I wasn't voting for "The Democrats".
Yes you were. You just didn't realize it. You can't even feasibly run these days without being up to your eyeballs in favors and obligations to the Democrats or Republicans.
>I was voting for a man
The moment you join a party, you renounce your being a man.

>>9577800
HAHAHA
What's good for us is good for everybody, because we said so.

>>9577601
>and europe goes back to fighting itself

The US doesn't have much control over the EU. I don't know why you think that it does.

ITT: Europeans with a shitty government talking about the U.S as if they know my government inside and out.

>>9577800
>Implying most Americans even know the difference between what is actually good, and what the corporate owned media (not just talking bout fox here) tells them is good.

>>9577883
What is "better?"

If life is about enjoyment, who the fuck cares how many cameras are watching you have fun/living it. OMG BUT WHAT ABOUT PRIVACY...noone cares about what the fuck you as an individual is doing as you pass their cameras on your way to whatever you do.

I have an idea of what MY perfect world would be like. We would be responsible for repairing a single robot that worked for us, and tons of other generally valid ideas that can and would work had i been born into a world without so much greed and competition.

We will evolve out of this system, eventually. But if your asking for a revolution for some petty shit, I don't think you know what you really want/realize what would actually happen.

>>9577963
how can that be? they once produced so many great thinkers and revolutionaries. why are they such fucking imperials now?

>>9578050
Because Americans give a major fuck about their economy and the economy is global now.

>>9577989
Sweet vision bro, but without privacy now, it is something you'll never achieve. The people that do have power will always use that surveillance to keep you - and your utopia - in it's shitty pipe dream place.

tldr; Say no to corruption, say yes to your privacy.

>>9577909

>>Implying either germany isn't the master of the EU, or that germans aren't butt buddies with the U.S

>>9577800
I'm pretty sure many Americans want to do what's good, but most don't know what the fuck is good nor how to achieve it. And alone, a person doesn't have much power.

Obama wasn't the best choice of president, I think, but hell of a lot better than McCain. Obama was headed in the right direction, but his methods are complete shit. He doesn't know what he's doing, and were he to even come up with some brilliant idea, it'd most likely would mean stripping something from the people in the other branches. They wouldn't like that, selfish, greedy bastards...

Anyways, even if we were to revolt... saying we succeeded, what about after? How the fuck are we going to run the country now? All I can see is having to wait it out, hoping everything...fixes itself...somehow.

Also, I hate the wars we're in. There's no reason to be in them at the moment while the country needs serious fixing.

>>9578172
I'm not saying i dont value privacy, but your acting like the government is one man sitting in a room watching everyone, digging for information and finding out every piece of dirt on anyone it can. While this is plausible with google/basic surveillance, it doesn't mean much to the general public. I live in a fairly upper class city in southern California and can say with confidence that i am not being monitored when i am not on my computer, And considering the ramifications of someone actually monitoring me, I don't think its happening, or will happen.

Their is just too many people.....And its safe to say 40% of them are watching television right now.

>>9578247
Germany isn't the master of the EU.

>>9578050
>great thinkers
Specialization. It's possible to make cool shit while still being completely ignorant.
>revolutionaries
Step 1. Win the war.
Step 2. Write history as you please.
For every Paine or Jefferson that was fighting to better mankind there was a Hamilton or Adams just in it for more power.

>>9577658
American dominance gives me cheap consumer products and gas.

I'm okay with this.

>>9578264
Hamilton was a fucking bro, genius behind the federal system. Adams allowed his entire political party including his own political career to be destroyed to avert a war with France that would have destroyed the young nation. Fuck you.

>>9578251
pull out at once from occupied nations
focus the new budget on social programs, improving the country and dealing with debt
create a new, direct democratic system by which the people can present ideas for change which can then be worked on and improved in conjunction with their elected representatives so that government comes to better reflect the needs of the citizens
immediately have the heads of banking and current government put on trial for their crimes and, as punishment, have them imprisoned for life and their assets ceased to support the new society

rockefeller alone is worth billions. hell, him and his buddies are worth the budget of thousands of african nations.

You know, I can remember having this conversation some 2000 years ago. I think I've been having it ever since.

Some things never change.

>>9578254
Okay sure, you're not being monitored now, but write a letter of criticism or start asking the wrong questions, and now you're being monitored. No big deal, you can live with it? Perhaps you're the exception because many people can't, social forces tend to matter. But hey keep on asking anyway, what is the worst that could happen? Well now because they say so you also a terrorist and are locked away without trial. Democracy doesn't work you know, if people fear asking questions. Democracy doesn't work when there is justice without trial. Democracy doesn't work, and then it's time for revolution, to try again from scratch.

>>9578317
>Federal system
>Genius
wut?

>>9578337
You stupid simpleton. You would have us eat the goose that lays the golden eggs. Yes, lets revert back to an agrarian society and make equality our greatest goal. Fuck that, America is the land of opportunity not equality.

>>9578395
it used to happen in parisian coffee shops
now it happens on 4chan

>>9578453
gb2 bed rockefeller

>>9578337
what crimes. not that i disagree with you but how would you go about this

>>9578395
We did, but I missed it; Greek is not my speciality.

America's flaw is that it's too successful, everyone associated with it becomes fat dumb and happy.

>>9578408
Lets not jump to conclusions here, I do not think for one second that democracy "works". In fact, the situation I am concerned about is direct proof that it doesn't.

As for the questions, and FEAR of being monitored/locked away, either you have principals or you don't. I am not afraid of the consequences of my principals or ideas WITH REGARDS TO THIS SUBJECT.

This country is not ready for a new system. And it sure as hell wouldn't be just fine with losing this one.

>>9578474
firstly, the bush admin for having supported a war in which many thousands lost their lives purely to support what can be seen as either a cynical defense of private interests or a misplaced and dangerously ill-conceived idealistic attack on the middle east.

the banking and business institutions have subverted the course of american democracy by tweaking public support using insidious techniques and via lobbyists/bundlers, ultimately to maintain their control of US social and political life.

>>9578395
2059 years ago is what I recall. Exchanged a bad system of oligarchs for a worse system of dictators. Worst part is that Plato saw it coming more than 300 years i advance.

>>9578605
cool it with the awesome, super cool, swift, trendy adjectives bro

>>9578545
In an egalitarian society, where no single group is given special privilege, it hardly matters an iota whether any single person has principals or not. Mankind as a whole (when not subverted by groups with privilege) is fundamentally good, and so mankind as a whole will make the right decisions.

>>9578656
i think most of them are necessary.

>>9578656
Yes, I agree, he's wrong because he's a neckbeard.
Less implied ad hominem, thanks.