yup, 9/11 changed the face of western politics; the attack's been used to pass numerous liberty shrinking laws on the pretext of terrorism. feels bad man

like what.

please op, give us all examples of all these civil liberties that would be destroyed after such an event.

>>9064511
stop and search would be widened,

free speech would be further restricted (free speech/protest zones)

wiretapping/email reading powers widened

sounding bad yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Dv7fOhPJMY

Part one of a movie highly related to the subject at hand.

Nah. I think people are pretty aware of whats happening and there would be a major backlash.

A "9-11 redux" would not be nearly the shock it was the first time around.

perhaps we might get serious about who the terrorists are. we might stop frisking grannies at the airports and instead focus on the moon rock worshipers.

>>9064425
No, Ausfailia customs can now search your hard drive at the border in the name of keeping child porn out of Australia. Which is arguably even more retarded, but then it doesn't fit your conspiracy theory.

Didn't Islamic terrorists really just want the US to stop supporting Israel?

Cheer up amerifags, your Jew masters will never let them win on that front. Not if they have to grind every liberty you have into the dirt.

>>9064589
forgot mah pic.

>>9064608

It's pretty much all good porn. Defending us against kiddie porn is just how they make it palatable for the chumps that would otherwise balk.

>>9064616
Why is wearing a 19th century British army uniform?

>>9064608
Keeping anything out of Australia falls under the banner of national security, nimrod

Lol you can't stop terrorism by stripping people of these liberties. The best way to stop terrorism is to stop raping all their countries and getting them mad in the first place.

Seeing as all of their attempted attacks were, well, attempts I think we won. They failed, they aren't as elaborate, I don't know why we're still in iraq, quit asking.

>>9064727
Of course it does. But, in the wake of 9/12, it is easier to pass new security laws than reform foreign policy

>>9064755
>implying there will never be another terrorist attack

I want to join guerilla and terrorist groups too.

>>9064755
But in Iraq, Saddam is still hiding his ABC-weapons somewhere!
That's a fact!

>Case in point: Ausfailia customs can now search your hard drive at the border in the name of homeland security
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK really? I'm going to Oz next Month, thanks for the heads up.

>>9065051
the immigration card will say 'are you carrying pornography?'

if you are carrying legal pornography, you can tick yes, and you may have to show it to them. If you tick no, they may search your HD.

This isn't the result of weak-minded politicians, politicians only do what they think will continue to keep them in office. This is their driving motivation.

It's a weak citizenry that believes the government can actually protect them from terrorism by restricting their civil liberties. I agree with you though, we're just one attack away from trading it all away.

Our government (dutch) only decreases our civil liberties because the USA keeps asking. American paranoia is more to blame then the terrorists themselves really.

I swear every single privacy invading security measure has been introduced on request.

>>9065093
Correct. Politicians actually only do things to support their positions.

And terrorists attacks were pretty good actually for their own interest.
They got a theme they can work on and direct the attention of the public to this theme from other important themes.
Also, they can satisfy the security and defence military at the same time.

As a politician i would be naiv if i wouldn't do this!

>>9065093
I (OP) feel that many politicians genuinely believe security measures will keep them safe. it is not just a function of winning votes. But that is a part of it. Thats why I'm pro 1 term limits for all public offices.

how can you not believe in kevin nash and the wolf pak?

>>9065124
Yeah, my initial statement was a little simplistic. Politicans of course have agency, and presumably some of them are at least motivated to improve society rather than or in addition to aggrandizing themselves.

You know what?

I really hope that there will be further terrorist attacks.

Just so that i can see the civil rights futher restricted.
Just for the fun.

>>9065201

what's keeping you from moving to north korea?

>>9065128
Ya might wind up in a body bag...

I'm afraid I have to agree with the OP, as a matter of fact that what the terrorists want, an overreaction. Instead of going after the culprits, they'll usually go after the citizens by practically abolishing their civil liberties. The main reason why this will happen because of the two things: The politicians who live on the Culture of Fear and the people who are powerless to do any real change.

I was expecting to get a shit load of blowback from this thread, cant believe most people agree with me. Feels bad man, that everyone knows the fate but just accepts it.

the reason that freedoms are being taken away is because we can't be trusted with them

I have nothing to hide because I am not doing anything illegal.

The purpose of terrorism is to spread terror.

Every time the US did ANYTHING in response to 11-9, it was another point proving the terrorists had won.

IF the US had of quietly reacted, enacted security measures and caught who did it... the terrorists wouldn't have won. But, that's not how it played out.

As for Ausfalia... they're searching for CP, not secret plans to blow up the opera house. If you don't have .jpg's of kids, you'll be fine

>>9065331
2/10 epicblocxs

>>9065337
They are searching your entire HD though, and anything illegal they find (including torrents possibly), could result in charges against you

stop downloading child pornography

>>9065366
stop looking through my HD without a warrant

Possession (including personal use) of child pornography should not be illegal. It's the wrong way of handling the problem of child abuse. The costs of taking away this freedom are huge. It undermines everything our democracy is based upon: freedom of information, freedom of thoughts etc.

>>9064425
You guys talk as if America doesn't already have a law similar to Australia's.

What the fuck guys, do you not remember news at all?

>>9065432
pedo much?

>>9065446
not at all. But I value our freedoms and I fear these cp laws make way for changes the people do not want (further loss of privacy etc.). Making possession of CP illegal creates the need for a way to search people's hard drives.

They'd better have one of them fancy ass machines that can look into a hard drive that's been dropped from three feet high, having it's motor busted. Feels bad man.