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    21 KB Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)22:44:54 No.9057970  
    http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2010/05/137_66270.html

    >A South Korean commission, augmented by experts from the U.S., Britain, Australia and Sweden, has unanimously concluded that the warship Cheonan was sunk by a North Korean-made torpedo fired by a North Korean midget submarine.

    Time for war?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)22:45:41 No.9057977
    Chinks killing Chinks.

    This will effect me how?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)22:47:15 No.9057992
    No matter how aggressive the international community pretends to be, it will never be willing to start a war with North Korea. North Korea knows this and trolls the international community on a regular basis by committing acts of aggression knowing they won't be punished.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)22:49:22 No.9058011
    Arab here.

    I see how it is.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)22:49:49 No.9058018
    Nope, all this will be is America using North Korea's relationship with China to try and get the chinese to be in favor of things America actually cares about, hence why China's backing sanctions now against Iran.

    South Korea and North Korea always play this little game with one another, but there won't be a war, and if there is, America and China are probably going to stay out of it in fear of damaging their trading and political arrangements, which are more important than the fate of Korea.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)22:50:17 No.9058029
    >>9058011
    Shut up before we free a few more of your countries, towelhead.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)22:51:05 No.9058039
    >>9057977
    typical ignorant american detected
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)22:51:27 No.9058044
    >>9057992

    NK has no defences and no way of retaliation. Why wont America just go stamp on them already?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)22:51:35 No.9058046
    >>9058018
    Mostly this. America can't afford another war and China would rather not have a bunch of half starved refugees streaming across their border.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)22:54:11 No.9058079
    >>9058046
    Despite the fact that they tolerate NK, China does not like Koreans. At all. If we started bombing, they'd have to help out, and helping out means helping Koreans, and they don't really like that.

    It's not that they're pissed off at America for blowing up NK; they're pissed off that they have to help Koreans after America blows up NK.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)22:54:19 No.9058082
    >>9058029
    Just shut up now, you give those few of us Americans who aren't retarded a bad name.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)22:54:21 No.9058083
    >>9058044
    Because that just makes N. Korea the victim. No matter how much they're hated now, if America invaded, foreign countries would hate them and feel sorry for NK, maybe even sending relief aids and shit. No matter who it is, there's no bigger pet peeve to a country than when one of them invades another. Much of the world is still pissed at the US for invading Iraq virtually unprovoked.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)22:54:26 No.9058084
    >>9057970

    North Korea is an actual country, they're a concrete enemy that the US could completely dismantle within a fuckin week. This shit doesn't matter, China isn't going to do shit if we murder North Korea.

    Even if there was a war, it'd be over in a week, nobody cares.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)22:55:04 No.9058092
    >>9058082
    Shut up you liberal commie bastard. Go live in Arab country if you love em.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)22:57:04 No.9058117
    >>9058083

    Yeah everyone would hate you. But you need that. It's like the batman thing. If you're not going to go stamp on people and be hated for it who will? What if saddam really did have WMDs? No one else would have checked it out but US did and took the heat.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)22:57:49 No.9058129
    >>9058092
    >this is what amerifags actually believe mang
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)22:58:22 No.9058137
    >>9058084
    This guy has it. People seem to forget that were not even at war if any country right now just a bunch of smaller groups. America has been itching for a real war for a while now, that's what we do best.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)22:58:35 No.9058139
    >>9058092
    because practicing the ideals that America was supposedly founded on that all people are equal make me a communist.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)22:59:15 No.9058151
    The real reason why nobody wants to conquer north korea is because THEY'D HAVE 24 MILLION IMPOVERISHED PEOPLE ON THEIR HANDS THAT THEY'D BE RESPONSIBLE FOR. This is the sole reason why South Korea doesn't attack North Korea.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)22:59:20 No.9058153
    >>9058139
    Shut up, that's commie talk, you goddamn godless commie.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)22:59:25 No.9058154
    >>9058137
    Not really dude. We've been stomped in almost every unilateral war we've fought. Especially ones in mainland Asia.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:00:40 No.9058170
    Geez America just go kill them or something. We don't call you world police for shits and giggles.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:00:50 No.9058173
    >>9058153
    and that's nazi talk, you damn nazi
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:01:13 No.9058183
    >>9058154
    >stomped
    Afganistan: Crushed in days
    Iraq: Crushed in days

    Now,

    Korea: Stuck at a line because of China
    Vietnam: Stuck at a line because of China

    We'd have crushed both of them too if we didn't have to worry about getting to close to MOTHERLAND CHINA.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:01:46 No.9058189
    >>9058173
    Shut up you fascist commie. America doesn't want to hear from your kind
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:02:08 No.9058200
    >>9058183
    >>Afganistan: Crushed in days
    >>Iraq: Crushed in days
    Lol, this is what conservative Americans believe
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:02:11 No.9058202
    >>9058117
    >If you're not going to go stamp on people and be hated for it who will?
    No one, there's no need to invade and go to war with other nations unless they invade and/or declare war on you.

    >What if Saddam really did have WMDs?
    Even if he did, there's no reason to go to war against him unless he used them. Even he did have them, it would've become painfully obvious he did before he had a chance to use them. And even if he did have them, it's still no reason to war against him. The only reason would if he ACTUALLY used the WMDs on somebody, not just PLANNING to use, but ACTUALLY doing so.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:02:55 No.9058215
    >>9058200
    So, what do you call seizing every major population center and dismantling the country's infrastructure and government?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:03:32 No.9058221
    Obama announced that he will defend South Korea in even of war or whatever.

    just saying
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:04:07 No.9058233
    >>9058117
    >What if saddam really did have WMDs?

    Then he'd have let them sit in their silos and beat off to how many losers in loser countries he could kill.

    Stop listening to this shit, America. You are safe. No one can touch you. Stop being so afraid.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:04:16 No.9058236
    >>9058215
    "Damn fine attempt, but you're far from finished."
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:04:34 No.9058242
    >>9058189
    because obviously America only wants to hear from white christian conservative males, sounds like a one party state...
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:04:44 No.9058246
    >>9058221
    Of course, if SK decided to attack NK, we would have their back. That's a given. Point is, unless NK keeps poking them, they won't do anything because they don't want to be responsible for all of NK's impoverished people.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:05:36 No.9058261
    >>9058200

    The army is like on Americas side dude. And their entire government. People forget that it's not an invasion America went over to iraq with government consent.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:06:02 No.9058269
    >>9058044
    North Korea has artillery on rails hidden withing mountain bunkers that are so deep and entrenched even our best bunker buster bombs can't hit them. They intend to roll the artillery out on rails, fire it off and then roll it back into the mountain before aircraft can reach and bomb it.
    They have AAA pieces capable of shooting down even the best of our helicopters littered all over the entire country.
    They have SAM sites capable of shooting down even our best aircraft littered all over their entire country. A lot of it is intentionally placed near the Chinese border because they know we would be cautious about prosecuting targets near there.
    They have no qualms with the concept of using their artillery on rails against civilian targets. It is more in their tactical interest to target military bases, however you have to think about how this will play out. We will prosecute and destroy their radar so as to render them incapable of accurately targeting military bases. As a result North Korea will have no choice but to shoot blindly and undeniably hit civilians.

    The reason we don't attack North Korea is because we know that within less than two days of starting the war the entire infrastructure of South Korea will be completely obliterated.

    North Korea's single greatest weakness is that its military hardware is starting to get old enough that they HAVE to repair it soon in order for it to remain functional. They know this and their acts of aggression are their desperate attempts at forcing a resolution to the Korean War before they lose their tactical advantage.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:06:34 No.9058275
    >>9058236
    No that's what we call a win. That's why America is in the middle of helping REBUILD a government for Iraq. The only actually fighting that goes on is with terrorist groups.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:06:41 No.9058276
    >>9058236
    That's not the way wars work.

    You roll in and you stop the enemy from being able to fight. The problem is the US is too cautious about harming civilians. If we bombed every major population center, wiped out the enemy's means for resisting by decimating the male population of the country, and imposing total martial law in the occupied country, then yeah, we wouldn't have the little terrorist bullshit that we have now. Unfortunately, then Europe and Canada cries crocodile tears and bitches at us for human rights violations.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:07:43 No.9058291
    >>9058269
    You bunker-bust the openings, you'll fuck up those rails and make those artillery useless sitting inside of the moutains.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:08:49 No.9058315
    >>9058221
    Which involves the North Koreans invading, which they are totally incapable of doing, and since N. Korea is basically daring the south to jump, they'd have to be the ones to strike.

    If South Korea jumps, then the two countries will have a pretty nasty war with lots of damages, and a wrecked economy, something that south korea especially doesn't need now.

    If they don't jump, then North Korea gets to go on the international stage and call the South Koreans and all their allies (NATO included) a bunch of punk ass bitches. Then they'll start making nukes again, which they'll settle a year from now with even more aid to keep the government in power. All the while they'll keep a bomb threat on the south by saying that they'll bomb Seoul if anyone puts sanctions on them, or some shit. Been there done that.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:08:54 No.9058318
    >>9058183
    Korea and Vietnam were both mainly guerilla wars.

    The US won all the major battles with the professionally trained Chinese-trained Vietnamese/Korean armies, but they lost all the tiny battles where Vietnam/Korea blew up their supplies and shit.

    Iraq/Afghanistan is more or less like that. Small battles all over the place. We'll probably pull out of that, too.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:09:27 No.9058325
    >>9058291
    That's not how it works idiot. They have more mountain bunkers than we can count, successfully hidden that even our best planes and pilots would have difficulty spotting them. It would just end up with S. Korea a sea in flames, a total genocide.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:09:45 No.9058332
    >>9057968

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    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:09:58 No.9058335
    >>9058291
    You forgot the part where we MOAB every military target from near-space orbit, causing their already stone age country to revert to prehistoric bone and small twig age.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:10:04 No.9058339
    >>9058291
    That would be a reliable solution so long as it worked. The problem is that they have so much artillery and so many of these emplacements that we don't know where all of them are. We will only find out where most of this artillery is by waiting until AFTER they've already fired a shot or activated a radar near their artillery emplacements.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:10:42 No.9058352
    >>9058276
    And for good reason, why would we kill tons of civilians in a country for killing tons of civilians?

    And don't give me "self-defense" shit, the last war America had for "self-defense" was in the 1800s.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:11:00 No.9058355
    >>9058325
    Shut up you godless commie, I'm the only one trolling this thread, you slanty eyed gook.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:12:11 No.9058366
    >>9058269
    Guess what? We know exactly where those bunkers are, let's see how they can stand up to a constant stream of bombing for days. Even the most insane would give up. You also forget that South Korea will start fighting dirty if they ever get desperate. Do you really think they will just sit there and take it because they want to "play fair"?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:12:18 No.9058368
    >>9058352
    Both World Wars mang. Though America only needed to fight against Japan in WWII, not Germany or Italy.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:12:23 No.9058370
    >>9058325
    So you're saying the US military, the most advanced military in the world, won't be able to use satellites or high-flying spy drones to see the openings when they open up to shoot? Yeah, You're wrong. We'd waste their artillary. And their SAMs? If we tried traditional bombers they might hit us, but our predators would have the bombs dropped and be out of there before the SAMs could get up high enough.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:12:52 No.9058382
    >>9058352
    It has nothing to do with self-defense. It's showing a people that they're beaten. Rome would give besieged cities two choices: surrender and lose your government, or resist and face crucifixion once they inevitably take your city. If we didn't just take out their government, but instead completely obliterated their country's ability to function, then maybe they'd take us seriously and not drive car bombs at our outposts.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:13:11 No.9058392
    >>9058366
    >We know exactly where those bunkers are
    No, we don't. We probably only know about 30% of them at the most.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:14:03 No.9058397
    >>9058392
    We have satellites. We know. Gookie.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:14:23 No.9058401
    >>9058355
    well your troll is unsuccessful so obviously you should find another thread.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:15:07 No.9058409
    >>9057970
    Didn't these guys create Nuclear Fusion?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:15:11 No.9058412
    >>9058366
    >Guess what? We know exactly where those bunkers are

    No, we don't. I initially felt sensitive about mentioning this because it was mentioned to me in classified intelligence briefs while in the military, however there is little debate that this is common knowledge now. We don't know.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:15:46 No.9058419
    >>9058370
    >So you're saying the US military, the most advanced military in the world, won't be able to use satellites or high-flying spy drones to see the openings when they open up to shoot?
    Yeah, I am saying that, especially when they have their opens covered by camo. And foliage. The best you can see of the openings is that they'll be hiding under trees and the nature around it, like jungle warfare. And even by the time we do figure out like the locations of 1/10 of them, S. Korea would be gone off the map.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:16:07 No.9058427
    >>9058412
    yeah but my point still stands. They'd get 1, maybe 2 rounds of shots off before we know where every single one of them is.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:16:11 No.9058429
    >>9058401
    >looks at number of replies to posts beginning with "shut up"

    >unsuccessful

    oh you
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:17:10 No.9058446
    >>9058412
    Bahahaha like you ever leave your room.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:17:12 No.9058447
    >>9058419
    Oh, so now long-range artillary doesn't create a large flash of fire and proceeding smoke clouds. They must have some really fucking advanced artillary.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:17:33 No.9058456
    >>9058397
    No, you don't, you really don't. The N. Koreans are not stupid when it comes with their military (just only when it comes to running the damn country), they would know how to successfully hide their weaponry and artillery. It would take days or weeks to figure out where one is.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:17:37 No.9058457
    >>9058427
    1, or 2 shots per artillery piece. They have thousands of artillery pieces, and even one artillery shell can do an incredible amount of damage to a city's infrastructure.
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/21/10(Fri)23:18:04 No.9058463
    The reason NK has even existed for the 60 years since the Korean war is because of its communist ties to the Soviet Union and China. We (the US) knows that any action taken against NK will be taken as a provocation towards China.

    This has been further been complicated in the past 20-30 years and specifically the past decade as China and the US have pretty much become co-dependent despite their political and ideological differences. The issue becoming a double edged sword. Neither wants all out war because their economies rely on one another (china taking over a very large part of the manufacturing and industry infrastructure that the US has given up in the decades since WWII, and China relying on American consumerism to drive their own economy). But despite the intertwined economic reliance neither is willing to stand by and allow occupation so near to their boarders by another superpower.

    NK knows of this tedious balance and has a leader who is both a manchild and a troll who's ego knows no bounds. Kim Jung knows his country is the thin ribbon separating the world as we know it of 'relative' peace from the absolute shitfuck world war that would ensue should China and the US clash militarily and the ensuing shitfuck economic collapse of both countries that would follow. And he's got a big pair of troll scissors ready to cut it.

    I've patrolled the DMZ, the amount of shit the NKA gets away with because of this delicate balance is extraordinary.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:18:49 No.9058474
    ITT: omg some asians in a third world country don't like 'murrica. We must kill them all, we are in serious danger.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:19:43 No.9058488
    >>9058447
    >Oh, so now long-range artillary doesn't create a large flash of fire and proceeding smoke clouds. They must have some really fucking advanced artillary.
    Flash and smokes would take hours to be found on a satellite, and any brilliant general would purposely set certain areas of a forest on fire to mislead their opponents. And by the time we do see the smokes and flashes, it'll be too late for the South.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:19:49 No.9058490
    >>9058456
    Yes we do. We know. We know all about where they are. We can have every one destroyed before the first shell falls on Seoul.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:19:57 No.9058491
    Basically, America isn't the god of war, far from it, and all parties would loose far more than they would have to gain by going to war. South Korean would be fucked, as would North Korea. China would have to deal with even larger waves of North Korean illegal immigrants, and America and the rest of the western world would have to bail out South Korea, especially since our tech sector is so reliant on companies like Samsung.
    >> Afroman !Z6TGyeghmM 05/21/10(Fri)23:21:23 No.9058509
    >>9058474

    Read

    >>9058463

    It's because they actually have the advantage of sparking some serious conflict with more dangerous countries.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:21:24 No.9058510
    >>9058419
    >and foliage
    >foliage

    Fucking trees are working for the gooks. I knew the dems supported North Korea.

    It all makes sense now.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:21:25 No.9058511
    North Korea already has assassins prep'd to go in and kill Girl Generation if America attacks.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:21:49 No.9058515
    the status quo in the korean peninsula benefits every actor. america gets a military presence in mainland east asia. china gets a puppet regime with which to annoy us&japan. south korea makes money from the us partnership and doesn't have to feed 24 million starving people. kim jong il gets his little fiefdom and makes money by selling rocket&nuclear tech to other countries.
    >> camel !!UT84wajcyM1 05/21/10(Fri)23:21:51 No.9058517
    i fucking hate north korea.
    i don't even know who i'm quoting, but "north korea is like that creepy house on your street. no one comes in or out, and when you have to walk by it you pick up your pace. it's generally peaceful, but sometimes you hear a noise come from it and it sends chills down your spine."
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:23:08 No.9058537
    >>9058510
    Learn from Vietnam and other jungle warfares. Hiding in a forest/jungle can give you a great advantage over your enemies, especially if they're barely experienced in fighting in such environment (like America in Vietnam).
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:24:30 No.9058559
    >>9058269

    NK can't feed itself and you'd have us believe they have weapons?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:25:06 No.9058571
    >>9058511
    Good, those girls have brought nothing but facepalm to my life.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:25:11 No.9058574
    >>9058559
    We know they have weaponsblox.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:25:27 No.9058579
    >>9058559
    N. Korea puts most of their wealth and funding into military than their people. In fact, their military members are the most well-fed and well-cared for in the entire country.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:27:02 No.9058601
    If all of South-east Asia fought the US, who would win?
    >> camel !!UT84wajcyM1 05/21/10(Fri)23:27:14 No.9058605
    >>9058559
    how u doin kim?

    i watched the vice guide to north korea a year ago and it blew my mind. i think i've spent the majority of my free time thinking about how much nk sucks since then.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:27:35 No.9058609
    >>9058601
    South east asia, probably.
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/21/10(Fri)23:27:50 No.9058613
    >>9058559

    NK has weapons, alot of them. They get/got them from the former Soviet Union and China. Their military is one of the largest in the world despite the poverty of the rest of their country.

    How their military compares to the US isn't the issue. The fact is any military action by the US in NK has broader implications in regard to the US and China. And that is a can of worms that no one wants to open. But in an open conflict between NK and SK, the US would be obligated based on treaties.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:28:21 No.9058622
    >>9058601
    You're kidding right?
    We'd get kicked out of the region and any attempt to re-enter it would be completely and utterly crushed. I find it unlikely that they'd be willing to invade us however.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:29:06 No.9058634
    >>9058537
    Like America hasn't learned anything from jungle warfare and our past fuck ups in Vietnam. That's why we poured money into researching and preparing for different types of battle field environments ever since Nam.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:29:47 No.9058643
    >>9058613
    in an all-out war between NK and China vs SK and USA (and probably japan at that point) if the US decided to start the first few months with just pretty much straight bombings (killing the chinese ground force) it wouldn't be as much of a war.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:31:01 No.9058657
    America could easily beat NK. Why is it so scared?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:31:13 No.9058663
    >>9058643
    China would be on the US side, idiot. The USA is their main income.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:31:18 No.9058665
    >>9058634
    Well all of this research hasn't seemed to have any effect in our effectiveness in urban warfare which is what most of the future wars will entail, so what's the point. That also doesn't solve the whole weapons issue anyway. So unless Nato magically was able to neuter the North's defenses ahead of time, all parties would be fucked.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:32:50 No.9058683
    >>9058663
    Not necessarily. China knows the importance of territory. Last thing they need is a US friendly nation sharing a boarder with them, same reason why Russia is extending influence to all of their soviet block countries.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:32:56 No.9058685
    >>9058657
    Because it really can't defeat NK as easily as most will think, we hardly know anything about the country as it is (even vast knowledge we do have on them is only but a small percentage of what goes down there). Also international backlash if they do decide to declare war on NK just right out of the blue.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:35:43 No.9058724
    >>9058657
    Because tens of thousands of troops will still probably be lost. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of Korean casualties if the DPRK decides to use their artillery on Seoul.
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/21/10(Fri)23:37:45 No.9058744
    >>9058643

    Our primary bomber fleet (B-52's) are 60 years old, slow, and utterly hopeless without complete air superiority and neutralization of all SAM's. China has quite a bit of fighters (not on the same level as the US) and large amounts of soviet sourced SAM's, arguably some of the best SAM's in the world.

    It would not be a simple US ground pound operation followed by a clean sweep up. We're talking 1-2 years of open warfare to disable infrastructure and destroy defenses to even allow bombers to make attacks reliably. Durring this time China's ground forces outnumber ours and are nearly as capable.

    This is not to mention the fact that China has nuclear weapons and would sue them should their sovereignty be threatened, possible even before. Which in turn likely would spark a nuclear holocaust.

    This is all ignoring the frat that both countries economy's are reliant on each other, and in the event of a war between China and the US both countries economies would crumble to nothingness in less than a year, and there would be no economic backbone to support either military.
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/21/10(Fri)23:38:33 No.9058756
    >>9058657

    Because fighting NK means your going to fight China. China is scary.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:39:10 No.9058764
    >>9058154
    We have never lost a single War dumblolass. We won every military engaugment in vietnam, but we lost it at home first in the hearts of the people
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/21/10(Fri)23:39:47 No.9058781
    >>9058663

    China is ideologically opposed to the US. Just because they benefit from the US economically doesn't mean they will tolerate the US shitting all over their back yard.
    >> Afroman !Z6TGyeghmM 05/21/10(Fri)23:42:14 No.9058810
    >>9058744

    >This is all ignoring the frat that both countries economy's are reliant on each other

    Yeah, a US-China frat fight would be earth shattering.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:42:20 No.9058813
    >>9058756

    China is almost entirely supported by America and has to remain friendly. Also they don't even support NK
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:43:00 No.9058823
    Of course, Kim Jong Il took his little train over to China, so that China's leaders could tell him personally to chill the fuck out, and he didn't take their advice to heart. Nothings going to happen though, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:45:28 No.9058859
    >>9058764
    The people of America, mainly the atheist liberals, asked "COME ON STOP WAR YOU SLUT" to the US, and the US kindly responded, "Well, alright. But only because you asked."

    And thus, we pulled out.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:45:32 No.9058860
    >>9057970
    There will be no war, another round of sanctions to keep starving North Korea to death...

    America does not have the "stomach" for a massive war that would be required to destroy NK. Real conventional warfare is a lot different than blowing up dudes in the back of a pickup truck from a mile away with a predator drone while you sit in your air conditioned cubicle...
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:47:01 No.9058879
    >>9058044
    NK has a ton of hardened artillary positions in the mountains ready to level Seoul, the capital of S.Korea which is very close to the border between the 2 countries. If war ever started there would be hundreds of thousand of dead Koreans very quickly, the city would be destroyed. It's the only thing the NK military has going for it.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:47:54 No.9058888
    >>9058823

    Why didn't America shit all over NK when they attacked that US ship and continue to still keep it ?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:48:20 No.9058902
    >>9058860
    Only thing that would start a war is if NK made good on its promise to start war if there were any repercussions for their acts. "acts of aggression" and whatnot. I can link you an article if you'd like.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:48:20 No.9058903
    >>9058860
    Sanctions are an unskilled way of attempting to force a short term reward and short term compliance out of opposition. If sanctions do not end and your opponent does not believe that the sanctions can/will ever end, you are effectively cornering them into further aggression.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:48:23 No.9058904
    >>9058860
    Actually an all-out war with a nation state with a traditional army is what America does best. Hunting terrorists with predator drones is something we've traditionally been less skilled at. but of course we've had a lot of practice recently
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:51:27 No.9058942
    South Korea is that little nerd who can barely fight. North Korea is a bully to South Korea. America is the jock hero who will save the little nerd.
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/21/10(Fri)23:51:42 No.9058947
    >>9058813

    Hate to break it to you bud, but The US is almost entirely supported by china as well.

    Without china's manufacturing and industry the US would crumble. Without China's LARGE investment's in the US, the US would crumble.

    As I've said BOTH countries are mutually dependant. BUT neither will allow the other to start shitting all over their back yard.

    China doesn't support NK? Where do you think they get the majority of their civil and military aid? China has supported NK for the 60 years since the Korean War. The soviet union supported North Korea until it fell in the 80's. If the US tired to pull an Iraq in NK, China would most definitely intervene.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:53:24 No.9058963
    yeah a south korean committee (enemies of N korea) augmented by the us (enemy) a fuckload of other nato people (enemies) say that north korea did it

    yeah fucking right
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:54:06 No.9058969
    >>9058947
    Russia is still selling submarines to North Korea. North Korea used one of those submarines to sink the South Korean ship. The drug cartels in south america also buy submarines from Russia.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:55:09 No.9058980
    >>9058447

    the artillary along the border is mostly housed inside mountains. they have tunnels with massive doors that are opened, the artillary fires out, and the recoil drives the artillary back into the tunnel. even if we saw and destroyed them all in an hour, which is impossible, an hour would be enough time to severly fuck up Seoul and cause a hundred 9/11s worth of damage and loss of life. in an hour.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:55:11 No.9058981
    >>9058947
    China owns a lot of US debt. US is still the largest manufacturer in the world, however. You can't "call in" a treasury bond, so it's my opinion that China would be more fucked than the US if they were to become enemies.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:55:18 No.9058984
    Why does China like North Korea so much?

    China doesn't get anything in return, it's just sending billions of dollars to watch North Korea do crazy shit.

    Does China just want to make the US go to war with them, but make it look like it's not China's fault?
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/21/10(Fri)23:56:14 No.9058991
    >>9058879

    The US has dozens of military installations in and around Seoul. If NK started shelling Seoul they would invariable hit US military targets. This would be a direct provocation and grounds for war on the part of the US. He'll even attacking SK with no US casualties would be grounds for US intervention in the conflict based on US treaties and promises of support to SK stemming from the Korean War. The first resistance NK would receive when trying to advance over the 38th parallel would be American forces.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:56:14 No.9058992
    >>9058980
    9/11 killed 3000 people. a hundred 9/11s is 300,000. Yes, it could cause that much damage, but why not use real numbers instead of stupid comparisons?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:56:36 No.9058996
    >>9058744
    >China has nuclear weapons and would sue them
    I would like to sue a nuke, what kind of lawyer should I get
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:56:41 No.9059000
    >>9058963
    yeah, i'm sure it was one of S.Korea's other enemies, like.....who? or maybe they did it themselves just to blame it on poor old NK who never did no harm to nobody. lol right.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:57:01 No.9059002
    >>9058969
    The drug cartels have fucking submarines?

    God, I fucking want a submarine.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:57:16 No.9059007
    >>9058963

    Dude it's unbiased. It wasn't just US and SK saying Nk did it, UK did too and so did Sweden ans Australia.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:57:16 No.9059008
    >>9058981
    You know how the economy collapsed because of homeowners defaulting on their loans ? Maybe we could rape korea and china at the same time by defaulting on the country's loans.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:57:58 No.9059017
    >>9058992
    for dramatic effect, plus i was also referencing the damage to buildings, not just casualties. sorry my post made u mad.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/10(Fri)23:58:17 No.9059021
    >>9058991
    isnt crossing the 38th bad, theres like craploads of landmines there
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:00:44 No.9059041
    >>9058969
    It makes me wonder how Mexicans even communicate with the Russians. But yeah, i've seen their submarines on the news. Submarining them in the gulf of mexico.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:02:18 No.9059057
    >>9059041

    What are mexican drug lords doing with Russian nuclear subs?
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:02:55 No.9059068
    >>9059021
    yeah, nobody's stupid enough to cross that shit on land. well, without just rolling a bunch of weights out there first or something to blow up all the mines.
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/22/10(Sat)00:04:23 No.9059081
    >>9058984

    Why does the US like South Korea so much?

    Ideological 'brotherhood', left over cold war allies and adversaries. China Likes having a puppet state buffering their boarder from the US toy country in SK.

    China is still very much ideologically opposed to the US. In the past two decades they have opened up and are coming around but they are still not part of 'our team'. They see the US, and its aggressive actions in other countries as a possible threat. As such they continue to take steps to isolate and protect themselves culturally and tactically from the US's influence and its military.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:06:05 No.9059099
    >>9059057
    My teacher was telling me today that there's still a small company in Russia that makes 60's like submarines and sells them to anyone, along with torpedos. The torpedos also explode and create a large air bubble which will lift a ship out of water and break it in half.
    >> sage Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:07:06 No.9059114
    >>9058903
    Yeah I know that sanctions don't actually solve anything, but it seems to be the hip thing for USA to do. We are thinking about putting more sanctions on Iran for its nuclear program but that will only let them do more fingerpointing at the USA for why they need a nuke...

    >>9058904
    It may be what we do best but I don't think the american military has enough recruits for an all out conventional war right now, and the draft is out of the question since as soon as middle class white kids start getting killed that will cause hella backlash...

    I belive the reason nobody is up in arms about our current wars is because they happen so slowly, in any given battle bodycounts are usually low for both sides... But if all of a sudden we find ourselves taking hundreds of casualties in a single battle people wont be waving flags and chanting "for the greater good''
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:08:41 No.9059134
    >>9059099

    But are they nuclear, thats the key thing here. If so thats VERY illegal.
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/22/10(Sat)00:08:44 No.9059135
    >>9059008

    The nations credit would go down the tubes, and in this era of large scale deficit spending, without credit we would be the one's raped.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:09:15 No.9059137
    >>9058744

    yeah we might not have very much infrastructure now but neither did russia in 37

    we didnt have that much infrastructure in 1914 either look at what we did. immediately upon hitlers aggression (even b4 pearl harbor) the depression in the US ended because we picked shit up
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/22/10(Sat)00:09:39 No.9059145
    >>9059021
    They invented these nifty things called helicopters. Also, mine sweepers.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:11:51 No.9059167
    >>9059134
    As far as I know they are not nuclear. I saw one on the news probably a year ago and they didn't say anything about them being nuclear subs.
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/22/10(Sat)00:13:34 No.9059182
    >>9059134

    It's highly unlikely anyone outside of a 1st world nation is operating a nuclear submarine. The initial cost and overhead is so high it would bankrupt even a well off drug cartel. If they do have military subs, they are likely crude boiler powered and similar in design/capabilities to those from the 50's and 60's.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:13:44 No.9059184
    >>9059167

    If they're not nuclear I don't think it's illegal. You can buy a nice FULLY WORKING British WW2 tank from our government.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:15:25 No.9059199
    >>9059182

    I think you mean diesel subs, which have to run on batteries while submerged, and are slow as well, and spend most of their time running on the surface.

    Non-nuclear steam-powered subs were a terrible idea, and were given up a long time before the 50s. Read about the K-class subs built by the British between the wars. They were nicknamed the Kalamity class.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:16:25 No.9059210
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    >Iraq isn't a threat to America
    >Iraq is hardly even a threat to his neighbours after the Gulf War
    American Response: ZOMG WE MUST INVADE! SADDAM DID 9/11! SADDAM HAS WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION THAT CAN REACH AMERICA! COME ON LET'S TAKE THAT MOTHERFUCKER OUT! IF THE UN DOESN'T SUPPORT US, WELL GUESS WHAT? WE'RE GONNA DO IT OURSELVES! SADDAM, IF YOU DO NOT LEAVE IRAQ WITHIN 48 HOURS WE ARE GOING TO INVAAAAAAAAADE!

    >Iran is developing nuclear energy technology
    >Iran says it's not developing nuclear weapons
    >Iranian leader issues fatwa against nuclear weapons
    American Response: ZOMG THE SECURITY OF THE WORLD IS AT STAKE! WE MUST ATTACK!

    >North Korea detonates test nukes underground
    >North Korea launches test missiles into Sea of Japan
    >North Korea threatens its neighbours and the United States
    >North Korea's leader is actually an insane dictator, unlike Iraq (just your average authoritarian strongman) or Iran (religious zealot heading a semi-democratic government)
    >North Korea sinks a South Korean ship, killing all on-board
    American Response: Hmmm, maybe we should go through the UN and try to apply some sanctions on these guys.

    >my face when America is too much of a pussy to fight anybody but hamstrung sandnigger countries

    Oh yeah and they still haven't invaded Iran, but that's because they actually have an army and are fairly stable, unlike Iraq.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:16:42 No.9059214
    >>9059184
    Wow! That's amazing. Is there any permit required or do you just need the money?
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:17:09 No.9059217
    Hold the phone.

    WHY do drug lords have subs.

    WHY is someone (whoever that may be) letting them have subs and not taking them off them.
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/22/10(Sat)00:18:16 No.9059232
    >>9059137

    Well there's the there side of it. If there's one way to bring an economy out of a depression is to go to war and build infrastructure to support it. In order to do that you'd have to have have the majority of american people behind the war effort. But I don't think our economy as we know it couldn't sustain the initial shitstorm that would ensure after war was declared on china.

    And again, this is still ignoring the fact that nuclear war would likely be the result of war on Chinese land.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:18:44 No.9059236
    If a sub isn't nuclear, it's a pathetic non-threat against modern ASW ships and helos. Even satellites will detect it since diesels have to spend almost all their time on the surface.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:19:10 No.9059238
    >>9059210
    oh come on now, you haven't realized that Iraq was 1: for business interests and 2: to get revenge for saddam's attempted assassination of Bush's dad Bush SR?
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:19:52 No.9059242
    You don't know this, but American army readiness is fucked, and would have trouble against fanatical north koreans. i am being serious. against taliban shitheads, thats tough but okay, but norks are more professional than you think. theyd still be able to pound the shit out of things from the air, but thats about it, and that aint enough in guerilla warfare.

    if norks attack, and succeed in occupying Soeul, they the cost in American lives a full scale ground repulsion would be too high a cost to bear for modern day america, and it would be interesting how things play out.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:20:08 No.9059245
    >>9059217
    1. To get drugs from the east coast of Mexico to Texas underwater. They also have a lot of money and can buy subs.

    2. A company in Russia is selling the subs to them and who ever else can afford them,and the U.S does confiscate a certain amount of submarines every year from the cartels.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:20:11 No.9059246
    So. Does Australia have anything to do with this?
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:20:17 No.9059247
    >>9059238
    I think he was just illustrating how dishonest the "official" american stance on their foreign policy is.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:20:25 No.9059249
    >>9059214

    You need a FAC which is a special license to use a gun over a certain square poundage of pressure (You need one to own an air rifle over 30lbs but somehow it also lets you own a real rifle, a shotgun and .. a tank)
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:20:36 No.9059250
    >>9059217
    drug lords have subs because that's an excellent way to smuggle drugs. DEA agents have ways to catch them, but they're not illegal to own, so you can't just confiscate the sub.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:21:06 No.9059256
    Alright seriously, comparing NK to Iraq and Afganistan is fucking retarded. Fighting a large standing army with clear military installation and objectives is exactly what the US military is built for (except in recent years obviously). The M1 is built for rolling around hilly rural buttfuck east europe and the big bombers are for making long ass strikes at hardened targets. Troops are trained to work in variable sized groups and in a forested and rural environment. To be perfectly honest if NK had a few less mountains and a few more plains AMURICA would pretty much be in exactly it's preferred fighting environment or at least as close as it gets without invading Russia.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:21:45 No.9059261
    >>9059236
    then you know nothing of submarine warfare. eg, "Non-nuclear" has repeatedly been proven to be deadly to american aircraft carriers in wargames.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:22:20 No.9059266
    >>9059247
    I don't think he was, because he was trying to show why we haven't gone into Iran and explaining it was because they actually have an army. This is not the reason.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:22:36 No.9059268
    >>9059246

    They're in charge of the barbie at the UN picnic.
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/22/10(Sat)00:22:43 No.9059270
    >>9059242

    >KPA occupying an already American military occupied Seoul.

    Not fucking likely.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:23:05 No.9059271
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    I saw that the cartels had a browning machine gun, a .50 cal sniper, and hand grenades. What the fuck? Where do they get that shit.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:25:03 No.9059287
    >>9059271
    There was a cartel that had a fucking zoo. He had monkeys and even white tigers. How the fuck, do they get an almost extinct animal? I understand the monkeys they got from Africa, but a white tiger?
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:25:30 No.9059296
    >>9059271
    Mexican drug lords are the #1 buyers of gold plated and diamond encrusted weaponry. Completely useless and expensive weapons. They usually buy from the Russians.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:25:36 No.9059297
    >>9059041
    >makes me wonder how Mexicans even communicate with the Russians

    They do it through Russian mobsters in America. There was a documentary about the Russian mob, and one of the cases was about a Russian mobster named "Tarzan" who ran a club in Florida which was a major networking hub for criminals. He became friends with a Colombian drug lord and they would hang out together. Through him the Colombian would get hooked up with weapons, helicopters, and other shit from the Russian military. At one point he asked Tarzan if he could buy a submarine, and when Tarzan asked his contacts in the military, he said sure.

    Tarzan was busted before the submarine deal could go down. Now he's living free in Israel after doing some time in America.
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/22/10(Sat)00:26:38 No.9059312
    >>9059256

    American bombers, except the LOLB-2SPIRIT, are useless in SAM protected areas. NK has highly effective soviet/china sourced SAM's. You can't just start flying 60 year old B-52's over NK to carpet bomb without incurring large losses.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:28:28 No.9059334
    >>9059312
    predators are our primary bombers right now. They don't carry large payloads but they're fast and can deliver a payload to a very specific point, destroying potential SAM sites easily.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:28:40 No.9059339
    >>9059297
    That's crazy. We should really be going to war with fucking drug cartels and not worrying about north korea.
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/22/10(Sat)00:29:13 No.9059348
    >>9059261

    Carriers are large vulnerable easy targets. That's why they are protected/supported by such large formations of ships.

    I agree with your point tho. A submarine's deadliness isn't dictated by its propulsion method. Rather by the quality of its sonar, crew, and torpedos
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:30:27 No.9059362
    >>9059261

    BWAHAHAHAHAH, another retard still stuck in the Cold War. Which wargames are these? The ones you play with your friends at LAN parties?

    Do you have any idea how many millions have been wasted in ASW research? Now with JSTARS, plus ASW helos, plus anti-sub frigates (though it'd be retarded to use those when you can use planes instead), a non-nuclear sub will not be able to get close to a carrier battle ground which is deployed with half a brain. There's a greater threat from ordinary speedboats loaded with explosives, as you can't be certain they're hostile.

    Let's wind back nearly 30 years to the Falklands. The threat to the British fleet from Argentina's 4 (count them, 4) diesel subs never materialised. One was engaged at the surface by a Brit helo, and the other three never even got close to the task force, and eventually slunk back to Argentina with their tails between their legs. The Argentinians PLANES however, were a genuine threat.

    It's seriously doubtful whether Iran could get all of their 4 (count them, 4) diesel subs operational at the same time. These would all be rusting old ex-Cold War Soviet boats, of course.

    Non-nuclear subs are dreadful, ineffective, and with the millions spent on facing the submarine threat (which isn't a credible one anymore, now that the Red Banner Northern Fleet of the Soviets has closed up shop), suicide for their crews.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:30:43 No.9059365
    >>9059339

    >implying there isn't already a "War of Drugs" that was a dumb idea before "War of Terror" was the new bad idea.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:31:12 No.9059370
    >>9059270

    the norks have enough manpower to overrun the americans, the americans are only there as a sacrificial force to ensure a domestic reaction to the invasion.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:34:25 No.9059404
    >>9059348

    That's why carriers are deployed in carrier battle groups, with airborne radar circling above patrolling the surrounding (at least) 240 miles of ocean and airspace. This is not to mention the escorting anti-sub ships and helos on standard patrols, covering their sectors.

    The propulsion method makes a huge difference. A nucelar sub can remain submerged for six months. A diesel sub only remains submerged for as long as its batteries last, at which point it needs to surface and run its engines to recharge them. It has enough power for one short sprint while submerged, which it almost always saves to escape after making an attack. We're talking at best days submerged, if that, and while submerged, they're horribly slow and even an average surface vessel can easily outrun them. That's why diesel subs have to spent most of their time on the surface, where they at least have a chance of keeping up.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:36:16 No.9059427
    >>9059370

    i could buy that

    nothing gets people more riled up than a martyr
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/22/10(Sat)00:37:03 No.9059432
    >>9059334

    Predator/Reapers are not bombers in the slightest. They are recon drones that have hard points tacked on. Typically they carry a set of AGM114's for targets of opportunity, they car capable of carrying a light bomb load but don't often do it.

    They are not fast. A B-52 can cruise over 500 knots, an A-10 can cruise at over 300 knots, a war load AH-64 can cruise at ~150knots with two to eight times the the missle load, a cannon, and BVR capabilities. A predator/reaper cruises at around 70-80 knots. You call this fast, its half the speed of a helicopter.

    If you're implying any unmanned drone in inventory is even 1/4th as capable as a dedicated mud pounder, you are simply wrong.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:37:18 No.9059435
    >>9059362

    http://www.argee.net/DefenseWatch/Is%20the%20Nuclear%20Submarine%20Really%20Invincible.htm

    http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Defense_Focus_Diesel_sub_wonder_weapons_999.html

    You know the Titanic was unsinkable right?
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:37:21 No.9059437
    North korea could do whatever the fuck they liked and the US wouldn't do a thing about it.

    I don't understand why North Korea haven't wiped the south out yet. America would just sit there panicking like a little fucker and other countries would point and laugh at them like the faggots they really are.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:38:18 No.9059448
    >>9059435

    The Titanic was 100 years ago bro

    that's like the stone age as far as stuff like that goes.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:40:08 No.9059471
    >>9058084
    >It would be over in a week
    >over in a week
    >over before Christmas
    >over before 7 years of bloody insurgency

    North Korea is much like Iran in why we won't invade it. It's an extension of China, so is a major power broker by proxy; much like Iran (though Iran is a major power broker in the ME of its own merit). It is also terribly mountainous, much like Iran. Its population is highly xenophobic and racist (Koreans are as bad as the Japs), and much as it does not like being oppressed, would be enraged by foreigners in control; much like Iran. There is also a million strong army, that while poorly trained and equipped, would either cause a lot of American fatalities, or be another one of these god damn 'proportional force' bullshit quagmires for the US.

    North Korea also has nuclear weapons! This is mildly important guys. They may not be deployable, but if you hid one in some bunker under Pyongyang (which they have, and have done) and waited for Americans to occupy it then nuke it, you'd kill a hella ton of American troops. Own civilians? As if the DPRK actually cares about that.

    There's also the China factor. China doesn't like Americans on its front door. It won't invade DPRK because it would be a bad sign for all its other dictator friends, and would be China losing face, which they hate doing. Thus the Americans are stuck.
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/22/10(Sat)00:40:49 No.9059478
    >>9059370

    There's a constant Air Cav detachment in Seoul that could single handedly decimate any ground threat from KN advancing over the DMZ. They can be ready to fly at an hours notice with war load 64's. In friendly SK skies the NK's wouldn't have a chance.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:40:51 No.9059479
    >>9059432
    the reaper goes an equivalent of 210 knots, not super fast but pretty fast. it's not "cruising" when it's engaged in combat.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:43:55 No.9059526
    >>9059404

    diesel subs are quieter because their generator isn't running underwater, nuclear steam turbines aren't as silent as a bank of batteries. lots of navies still use new build diesel subs because they're pretty much good enough if you're not circling the globe with them.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:46:32 No.9059557
    >>9059435

    I KNOW this is a troll but seriously,
    >implying ANYTHING is unsinkable
    wtfareyoudoingbro.tiff
    >> Guido !!sxr22QMxrAi 05/22/10(Sat)00:46:42 No.9059559
    >>9059217

    To smuggle drugs out of whatver country thier operations are based in and to deliver them into U.S.

    They load up the sub with drugs and head a few miles off the U.S. coast or into international waters. A boat from the U.S. goes out to see to a location and the sub surfaces. The boat loads up the drugs and goes back to the U.S.

    It's pretty fucking slick. And those Heroin adn Cocaine barons in South America have the money to buy a couple subs and set up numerous operations like that.

    We do try to stop shit like this, but the coast guard can only patrol so much of the coast.
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/22/10(Sat)00:48:29 No.9059583
    >>9059479

    Limited bomb/missile load, no BVR hellfire capabilities, still a recon asset.

    If the US wanted to take out SAM installation it would use either cruise missiles, or A-10/AH-64's on NOE missions and mop up with strike eagles and falcons with HARMs.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:52:36 No.9059635
    >>9059583
    I'm glad you agree that the US would have no material issue taking out NK's SAM capabilities.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:53:54 No.9059649
    >>9059435

    You need to actually read my post. You see that shit about JSTARS? You might want to go read about that, before you post an article which is effectively about obsolete ASW tactics that have been superceded. The JSTARS capability has been perfected since then and the US isn't even allowed to use it fully in exercises now, because it makes a joke of the whole expensive exercise.

    That first article is ridiculous - it's talking about using nuclear attack boats to take on enemy subs. Like the people who think the best way to take on tanks is with other tanks, this is a bit like fighting dogs by getting down on your hands and knees and biting them. You -can- do it that way, but it's pointlessly risky.

    The way to take out enemy subs is with aircraft, designed and armed for the task. JSTARS covers with a single aircraft 240 miles of land or ocean, and a carrier battle group carries more than one aircraft. If you're on the surface, you're detected. If you're a nuke sub, then you can get away with this - you can get close submerged, attack and then get away. If you're a diesel, you're dead before you even see the target ships.

    Oh, and the designer of the Titanic never said it was unsinkable, just so you know. He specifically said that was a ridiculous thing to say.

    Also, US ASW operators are not the best in the world - the Brits have that honor... I'm neither, it's just the plain fact of it. The Brits also have shitty equipment however.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:55:49 No.9059674
    >>9059081
    The US likes South Korea for the same reason it liks Japan and Taiwan. From there you can piss on the Chinks shoes.
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/22/10(Sat)00:56:31 No.9059680
    >>9059635

    We wouldn't have too much trouble. But the KPA has a comparatively small and ill funded military. My argument was that we would have trouble with China's air defense network as that have more than a handful of legacy fighters at their disposal. The Chinese have Su-27's and derivatives with the corresponding BVR missiles devolved by the soviets. China would be a MUCH harder air superiority nut to crack.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:58:49 No.9059700
    >>9059680
    true, but ultimately despite higher losses the US would prevail over their defenses. It would take longer and have higher losses, but wouldn't change the ultimate outcome.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)00:59:52 No.9059705
    NK has like a hundred thousand artillery pieces pointed at SK. It's not that we can't beat them easily, it's just that Kim is a psychopathic coward whose only defense is that he'd turn Seoul into rubble if we attack. Also we can't just liberate NK - decades of brainwashing have made the average NK citizen terrified of Americans. They think we're monsters who'll eat their kids. They'd probably commit suicide en masse if the US invades, like on Okinawa.

    Yeah I'm tired of Kim waving his tiny dick like we can't do anything to him, but right now the only thing we can do is wait till he dies and hope whoever succeeds him isn't as batshit insane and actually wants, you know, to stop millions of his people starving to death. War on the Korean peninsula would be a disaster for the Korean people.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:01:35 No.9059722
    >We wouldn't have too much trouble. But the KPA has a comparatively small and ill funded military.

    Uh, NK has the fourth largest standing military in the world and they run last gen Russian tech (Mig-29s and stuff)
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:01:49 No.9059723
    >>9059680
    To back this up, US military simulations for a Chinese strike on the Taiwan Straits actually has the Chinese gaining air superiority. They may not be as advanced, but they outnumber us locally, reflected in aircraft loss stats for the Chinese being 3:1 American. The Chinese also have rudimentary Anti-Sat capabilities, which you can guarantee they'd use against military satellites to disrupt communication, making a lot of the targetting much more difficult.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:05:21 No.9059767
    >>9059705
    He'll never die.
    His plan is to become like the immortal emporer from Warhammer 40,000
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:07:02 No.9059793
    >>9059722
    Do you know how large the US military is? By comparison the NK military is small and ill-funded.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:07:45 No.9059804
    >>9059722
    Standing armies mean little when they can be reduced to ash in days. See First and Second Gulf Wars. Old war machines die very quickly to newer ones. The gap in technological generations' performance changes the dynamic a lot.

    >>9059705
    Unlikely. The way the DPRK's power structure is very similar to a lot of other dysfunctional dictatorships. The concentration of power in the military means that rule is determined as much by 'divine right' as simple gangsterism. It's actually why a lot of people think Kim Jong is being such a douche. He fears one of his sons will not inherit the throne due to a coup, so he is showing he is the toughest war boss around and all his boyz better list'n good or he'll smash 'em up. It should also be noted that his most likely successor is his third son, who is even crazier, but still saner than his older brothers. Scary fucking family, eh? Either way, when Kim Jong dies there will be turmoil in the DPRK, but it will not lead to a saner regime, because all the generals are forced towards brinkmanship to retain control.
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/22/10(Sat)01:08:16 No.9059809
    >>9059700

    Whether this is true or not, I don't think it matters.

    I don't think the US economy could survive the initial shock it would incur after going to war with China. We've been deficit spending for a decade on two relatively minor wars that China has pretty much bankrolled. With no economic backbone our military will fail.

    Likewise, war with the US would cause China's economy (nearly entirely based on supplying American consumerism) would grind to a halt. With no economic backbone, their military will fail.

    Additionally, both countries posses nuclear weapons. Should they somehow manage to stick to conventional warfare. The minute one is 'on the ropes' they will unleash their nuclear arsenal as an ace in the hole. Shitfuck nuclear holocaust armageddon ensues. Libfags say i told you so, everyone dies, etc. etc. etc.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:08:18 No.9059810
    >>9059722

    I remember when 1991 when they said Iraq had the 3rd biggest army in the whole world, and they were battle hardened troops from their war with Iran.

    And then the Coalition just steamrollered them. There were more casualties to friendly fire than from the Iraqis for god's sake.

    You know what? NATO militaries have practiced endlessly since the end of WWII for the specific scenario of wiping out huge concentrations of conventional enemy military targets. Against the technology of the West, numbers mean nothing. Even a few Mig-29's aren't going to change that.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:10:08 No.9059826
    >>9059705

    I think a sly underhand and deniable assassination would be in order. But then I'm a Brit and that kind of practical treachery comes naturally to me, unlike to you poor honourable Americans. We're both lucky to have each other as allies.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:12:57 No.9059858
    >>9059705

    When Kim-Jong Il goes down he's going to go down big.

    Hell he'll probably press the button to nuke alaska on his death bed.
    >> Guido !!sxr22QMxrAi 05/22/10(Sat)01:15:00 No.9059880
    >>9059767

    That fucker actually plays Warhammer 40k. He is an eccentric fuck.
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/22/10(Sat)01:15:56 No.9059899
    >>9059722

    Unupgraded export Mig-29A's are no match for American fighters (proven by wargames with the Luftwaffe's 12 Mig29's) , they are likely to be in poor condition in KN hands due to the high maintenance requirement of the Mig-29 and lack of consistent support since the fall of the Soviet Union. Export Mig29's fall quickly into disrepair even in the best of circumstances. They are short range, short duration fighters meant for large amounts of ground support that would not be available in NK and its unlikely they would be deployed in significant enough numbers to matter.

    The Latest Su-27/Su-30's flow by the Chinese are a different animal.

    As for the ground war, US CAS would make short work of their poorly equipped infantry.

    But again this is entirely ignoring the Threat that would ensue from the much larger and better equipped Chinese.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:16:33 No.9059904
    >>9059478

    I don't have the expertise to challenge you on the feasability of north korean breathrought and capture of Seoul, but id like to point another predicament of America's that makes now the time to strike, it's financial soft underbelly. Let alone the human cost, but the cost of a military response to a held Soeul would push an already over extended credit line to its breaking point. america is a debtor nation, and so too much of the world at the moment, that there isnt such a supply of monies to accomodate such expansion. furthermore, jeopardizing the economic recovery would be another factor.

    of all the times for a desperate action by the norks, now is the time.
    >> Smilecat !TJ9qoWuqvA 05/22/10(Sat)01:18:19 No.9059931
    I remember seeing a documentary once where it talked about what would happen if a war broke out in Korea.
    They estimated something like, 50,000 causalities in the first day.
    That's scary.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:21:44 No.9059964
    >>9059904
    in a time of war, the US would drop a lot of social welfare programs for a limited time and borrow a ton of money in order to fight. Money would not be an issue, the largest GDP in the world would find a way.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:22:22 No.9059968
    >>9059217
    Drug interdiction fag here, spent a year at a unit that patrols off south america intercepting drug shipments inbound to the US. I believe what the poster was referring to are the semi submersibles that the drug cartels are currently using to run drugs to the US. They are not submarines per say, they hug the waterline with about 80% of it being submerged and 20% being above the waterline, they are home made most of the time. Instead of the traditional go fast boat which relies on being fast and getting the shipment to the US before it is seen the SPSS(Self propelled semi-submersibles) rely on being stealthy and extremely hard to pick up on a radar. They usually have bigger shipments and take the slow and steady approach as opposed to go fasts which have smaller shipments and rely on speed. The operators are generally armed with small arms but the boat itself is not armed, it's just a vessel used to transport drugs.
    >> Smilecat !TJ9qoWuqvA 05/22/10(Sat)01:23:18 No.9059981
    >>9059899
    The Chinese wouldn't be on North Korea's side.
    The US is their biggest trading partner and North Korea is a pretty damn obviously a threat to the security of the entire region.

    They would have nothing to gain by helping the North Koreans this time around.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:24:34 No.9059995
    There won't be war unless NK does something far more serious than occasionally sniping a ship. There's simply far too much to lose and very little to gain via an armed conflict, for every side involved.

    Each side has to posture some so they don't seem complacent about things, but otherwise it's more of the same.
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/22/10(Sat)01:26:12 No.9060015
    >>9059904

    I've been making that point all throughout this thread. The US's economy cannot sustain a hit this large which puts us in a predicament.

    We have obligations to protect SK from NK.
    We likely cannot afford another war in NK.
    Invading NK would bring China to bear on us risking a catastrophically large war.
    Such a war with China would likely bankrupt both nations.
    Such a war would likely end in nuclear holocaust.
    North Korean leaders know all of this.
    Kim Jung Il's face = trollface.jpg
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:26:59 No.9060022
    >>9059904
    What people seem to forget is that the US is the only country with perfect credit, because everything is traded in USD. If the US currency deflates rapidly, so does everyone else. Currencies are relative to one another, but all are relative to USD. It is 1$. The change from the gold standard to USD was a huge bonus to the US. As such, the US can simply create money. It doesn't, because it's poor economic policy, but it can. War economies also function differently. Profit sort of zeroes out, as does currency in general. Things are requisitioned, essentials are rationed. If America needed to put itself on war footing, it is entirely capable of doing so. The economy shifts drastically, but not in a way that is damaging. Rather it's quite beneficial. Wars are only costly when they're not total war, or when it hits domestic production in a very real sense (ie. bombs landing on factories).

    It would hurt the Chinese the most then, because their manufacturing would all grind to a halt and there would be tons of unemployed people. It wouldn't be fun for China to say the least, though they can do the same thing as the Americans. The difficulty being that the US is much more self-contained, and a lot of its resources can pass from Europe to North America with much less disruption than the US can level against China. Some absurdly high number, like 65%, of China's energy imports come through one strait in the Philippines (for reasons unknown to me, probably the only big enough for major shipping). America can easily shut down China's ability to import oil at which point China ceases to exist.
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/22/10(Sat)01:27:14 No.9060026
    >>9059964

    Who are you going to take loans from when the biggest lender is the one you're going to war with?
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/22/10(Sat)01:30:25 No.9060070
    >>9059981

    See:

    >>9058781
    >>9059081


    bloxbloxblox
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:31:42 No.9060078
    >>9060015

    oh, i dont disagree with that. nor that the koreans would invade, im just considering a scenario.

    the purpose of the nork invasion in my scenario would be the quick surrender by South Korea through holding Seoul hostage, SK then requestion America leave. The purpose being to change the terms of the game and bring a resolution to things.

    Kim Il-Jong or whatever his name is, is getting old. Maybe the power resides in the generals who have no such drive to invade. However, if you were going die soon regardless, would you not want to go out with a bang?
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:32:57 No.9060096
    Should convince the Chinese to roll in and take over NK. China is stable and the US has good relations with them. China gets more turf, NK gets China funding (which is what they are running off of anyway) the Kim's get headshotted, SK keeps doing what it's doing.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:34:13 No.9060105
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    PIJJA MO GO LE?
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    DWE JI YA
    OH BA MA SA LIN JA YA
    SHIBAL NOM USA
    >> Smilecat !TJ9qoWuqvA 05/22/10(Sat)01:34:25 No.9060107
    >>9060070

    Today's China is nothing like Mao's. Ideology in the world of politics usually comes secondary to economics. The only reason nations get involved with each other at all is because of economics, really.
    China might not "like" America, but they sure as hell love our money and industry. Far more then they do North Korea, a nation that gives them nothing but refugees and the threat of nuclear war.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:34:53 No.9060112
    >>9060096

    Nobody wants NK. It's the least fertile land on the Korean peninsula, is prone to natural disasters like earthquake and avalanche, and is full of poor people.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:36:00 No.9060131
    I could also see tacit Chinese support for such an invasion after it has proceeded, as a test to see the American response, a laboratory to study a future conflict with China proper.

    Also, in Obama, there is at least a rational administration who can weigh things, although some strong enough response is required for him to politically survive, and he will be painted nonetheless. But the alternative party may be much less rational.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:36:15 No.9060135
    >>9059826
    >unlike to you poor honourable Americans.

    what the fuck are you talking about, America has tried to assassinate people all over the fucking world and failed miserably in most cases.
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/22/10(Sat)01:37:05 No.9060143
    >>9060107

    I'd like to believe that, but based on China's dealings regarding North Korea and Burma. I don't believe it to be true.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:37:39 No.9060155
    We could stop giving them food, starve em out for a little while. Then maybe they will turn on Dear Leader and devour him like Jackals.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:39:26 No.9060173
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    SON OBU BISH AMELICAN
    AMELICAN EES PIGU
    DO YOU WANTU HAMBULGEL?
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    BALAK OBAMA IS MULDELEL
    PAKKING USA
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:39:28 No.9060174
    >>9060112

    It'd be more fertile if they didn't build a great big fucking dam in front of their primary water source.
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/22/10(Sat)01:39:59 No.9060179
    >>9060096

    China doesn't want North Korea. Its poor land, poor brainwashed people, very little in the way of scientific innovation outside military advancement, has very little resources of note, etc.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:40:54 No.9060190
    >>9060179
    China needs the DPRK, because it is the difference between the US pissing on their lawn and pissing on their house.
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/22/10(Sat)01:42:15 No.9060204
    >>9060155

    The fear and oppression of people in NK is so severe things would have to get terribly bad before any sort of ousting takes place. It would be seen as inhumane to do so.

    Also, they would just put their troll face on again and start launching missiles towards japan and doing more nuclear tests.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:42:38 No.9060206
    >>9060179

    China want's a buffer between them and the US that isn't run by a dying lunatic with nukes.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:42:39 No.9060207
    >>9060155
    Well they haven't yet and its pretty bad there. During the 90's something like a million of them died. Hungry people usually have a hard time doing anything other then surviving, and the leaders of N. Korea will do anything to stay in power.
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/22/10(Sat)01:43:23 No.9060217
    >>9060190

    Right, but that doesn't mean they want the responsibility of it. They just want it to exist.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:43:39 No.9060221
    >>9057970
    >>9057970
    >south korean commision

    like israel, south koreans are interested in us involvement against north korea, so they will bring any excuse so the us could intervene.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:43:49 No.9060223
    I would imagine North Korean women are something akin to the American women of the 1940's... this intrigues me.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:44:39 No.9060232
    >>9060206
    No, probably not, but they want someone desperate and utterly beholden to them to maintain the petty existence they call life. That kind of person is inevitably going to be a troll.
    >> Smilecat !TJ9qoWuqvA 05/22/10(Sat)01:45:21 No.9060240
    >>9060190
    The US already owns their economy.
    It doesn't need to piss on anything anymore.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:46:04 No.9060249
    >Time for war?

    Nope. Seoul would be reduced to rubble in a matter of hours. This fact alone guarantee's NK is immune from any real retaliation.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:46:32 No.9060252
    >>9060221

    Shut the fuck up, the South Koreans don't want any kind of confrontation. Everyone in Asia is patiently waiting for that faggot to die, they don't need some western upstart to fuck shit up when all it might take to solve this problem is just a few more years of peace.
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/22/10(Sat)01:47:49 No.9060267
    >>9060206

    Or maybe they do?

    They don't have real weaponized nuclear capabilities yet so its possible China see's them a cute little nation led by a crazy little man with big ambitions. If they do become dangerous China might step in and spank dat ass a little bit.

    The last thing China want is to be drawn into a lose-lose scenario with open conflict with the US. Likewise they also don't want NK to become a US puppet state like SK right at their back door.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:48:37 No.9060283
    >>9060223

    they say that the women in the North are the most beautiful in the Koreas, and the men in the South the most handsome.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:49:49 No.9060300
    >>9060252
    >>9060252
    Yes, south koreans dont want any confrontation. thats why, with the support of the west. nor koreans will think twice etc etc.

    waiting for him to die wont solve anything. In cuba fidel castro resign because of health issues. And now his brother is on power.. nothing different there.
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/22/10(Sat)01:50:36 No.9060313
    >>9060283

    Yea, they only weigh 60lbs and their ribcage is the only thing that gives them any curves.
    >> Smilecat !TJ9qoWuqvA 05/22/10(Sat)01:51:19 No.9060318
    >>9060143
    It's true that China uses NK as a buffer state, but if a conflict ever broke out China would drop them like a hot plate. It would have nothing to gain by helping them except the loss of it's biggest trading partner.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:51:42 No.9060322
    >>9060143

    China's support for Burma and the DPRK is pure realpolitik.

    The beef between China and Vietnam is a longstanding historical grudge that came to blows shortly after the Vietnam war. Relations have been frosty (at best) up until very recently. The rest of Southeast Asia officially or unofficially US aligned. China maintains its support for Burma as a way to prevent total US hegemony to the south.

    The DPRK serves the same purpose to the north, but even more importantly. The US has troops in Japan and the ROK. Keeping the DPRK afloat prevents those troops from being on China's border.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:54:03 No.9060347
    Even if NK was going to fall, China would not oppose NATO or even just SK and the US. The political situation in China goes like this: the government keeps pulling them out of poverty and the people tolerate their shit. It's not just the loss of the US economy as trading partners that they have to fear. Even SK and Japan are two big partners to the Chinese. At worst it's all of NATO and that's well over half the industrialized world. China defending NK would screw them monumentally.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:55:05 No.9060361
    why everyone thinks theres going to be a war between china and the us. Chinese army is way inferior than the US. And they both need each other you dumbasses. havent you heard the concept "chimerica"?, google it, so youll have a fucking idea of anything.

    fucking kids, not everything is like fallout or any fucking games you idolize
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)01:56:57 No.9060385
    >>9060318
    It's more likely they'd do exactly what they did in the Korean War, though a little more circumspect. America would drive close to the border hunting the regime, the Chinese would come pouring over and push them back to a little past the DMZ then retreat. They'd shelter Kim Jong-Il in some little hole somewhere and install a new dictatorship. The US was a nuclear power and decided they could accept a limited war where it was not true self-defence. China can do the same. If the Americans invade then they save face by 'liberating' the North Koreans from the Americans. Both sides lose some troops, both sides are sad, both sides go to their respective allies and brag about their dick size, everyone goes away happily minus the dead Koreans. The main reason the US and SK don't want to push war is because it would drive the Korean peninsula back to the stone age and some minor acts of provocation are not a big deal in comparison.
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/22/10(Sat)01:58:53 No.9060414
    >>9060318
    >>9060322

    I hope you're right (in that China's support is superficial) and they drop NK should any significant conflict arise.

    If not, we're in a world of shit.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)02:00:58 No.9060444
    The only way there would be a restart of the Korean war is if North Korea attacked a prominent civilian target.

    This will lead to tensions, but jack shit will actually happen.
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/22/10(Sat)02:01:15 No.9060447
    >>9060361

    >hurr durr, ima jump into a thread without reading it

    nice one bro.

    and with that, I'm out. Thanks for the discussion gents.
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/22/10(Sat)02:03:05 No.9060480
    >>9060444

    one more thing.

    Restart? It never ended!
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)02:04:54 No.9060510
    >>9060480
    True, technically, but it's been over for a long time in actual fact. North Korea does some psycho shit every once in a while but even they aren't crazy enough to go back to full out hot warfare.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)02:06:21 No.9060537
    >>9058511
    nooooooooooo noooooo nononononono leave my SNSD girls alone
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)02:06:46 No.9060542
    >midget submarine
    ahahahahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)02:07:28 No.9060556
    American here, I got about 10 posts into this thread. I am so sad to be associated with most people in this country.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)02:10:52 No.9060607
    >>9060447
    not going to read all the retarded comments posted here, i just read the last couple of posts. seemed pretty retarded anyway
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)02:19:31 No.9060725
    >>9059271
    from american weapon sellers in AZ and TX, stupid americans

    you are the ones supporting and funding drug cartels by buying drugs, by selling weapons to civilians and so on.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)02:21:39 No.9060765
    >>9060313

    Hi this is /r9k/ and even that is considered too fat for some.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)02:22:34 No.9060779
    >>9060240
    >The US already owns their economy.

    Other way around. Don't kid yourself.
    >> Dirty Laundry !!EwoOaWlHOYW 05/22/10(Sat)04:18:24 No.9062016
    >>9060765

    >implying /r9k/ has any standards whatsoever

    Robots would stick it into anything that moves and some things that don't.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)04:36:39 No.9062122
    Former armyfag-in-S.Korea here. Was stationed at Camp Casey. We pretty much knew we'd all be dead in the first few minutes if N. Korea really lost their minds and started a war. Camp Casey and Hovey and a few other places are about 8 miles from the DMZ, not to mention the actual JSA--well within the range of N.Korea's artillery. It's known that all of our barracks, motorpools, dining halls and every other strategic thing is already zeroed for N.Korea artillery if the balloon goes up. About 10,000 US and Korean troops would be at risk of sudden 3am death.

    HOWEVER

    The reason N.Korea doesn't do this is because that's a relatively small amount of our resources. Aside form what we have stateside, we operate counter-artillery batteries tucked away all over the mountains of S.Korea near the DMZ that even the N.Korean spies and adishi don't know about. I'm talking 155's and a fuckton of MLRS's--AKA, the Grid Square Removal System.

    Not to mention N.Korea is rolling with 1950's-1970's combat tech. We'd brush them aside in most engagements, and they'd probably say fuck it and fire off their VX nerve gas rockets.

    That shit is what we were all really afraid of.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)04:41:20 No.9062164
    >>9062122
    im imagining sleeping in the barracks and waking up to the whole place on fucking fire with poison gas everywhere

    yeah shit is kinda scary
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)04:45:26 No.9062198
    >>9062122
    i'm putting off writing a paper on the international nonproliferation regime for my wmd nonproliferation class.

    you just gave me my topic, or at least a great justification for it. THIS is the exact reason we need to strengthen the NPT, the Biological Weapons Tech Convention, and the Missile Tech Control Regime. people have no idea how weak these international "preventative measures" are.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)04:48:45 No.9062231
    >>9062198
    I don't suppose you realize how you've completely contradicted yourself there?

    N.Korea doesn't give three shits about any NPT, strong or not. Making the rules for law-abiding nations more strict does nothing to weaken a country like N.Korea's position on the matter.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/10(Sat)05:31:32 No.9062655
    >>9058189
    >>9058189
    >>9058189
    >>9058189
    >>9058189
    HUR HUR HUR HUR HUR HUR HUR HUR HUR HUR HUR COMMIES HUR HUR HUR HUR HUR HUR HUR HUR HUR HUR HUR
    >> ƁƐƐƑ? MONGOLOID ST8 OF U M8 !lttbKwpttA 05/22/10(Sat)05:35:55 No.9062690
    >>9058189

    >fascist commie

    ......

    Pick one, twat.



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