this is just conspiracys by the jews to make people want their kids to fit in so they fall easier under the jews thumbs.

Grades don't equal intellagence

i have always had lots of friends, in school and shit, now life sucks

correlation is causation

The kid who has sufficient self esteem to not care what others think of him ends up not performing how others expect him to, what a surprise.

There are certain breeds of dog, such as siberian huskies, that breeders have had difficulties training to obey simple commands. However, the problem wasn't that the dogs were too stupid to understand the commands, on the contrary the dogs were quite intelligent, but the problem was that the dogs didn't give enough of a shit to follow commands that they didn't see a point in - ie, fetching a stick. Said dogs actually turned out to be amazing at other tasks that actually served a use, such as pulling sleds.

It's even said right there in the study that the problem was lack of motivation, not lack of intelligence. Teaching your kids to be self-sufficient and not respond to peer pressure is not a bad thing, people just forget you also have to teach your kids when it's okay to give in, too.

I do both op. How does it feel?

>didn't turn out to be the independent-minded stars we'd imagine
>he probably wasn't motivated by what his parents or society expected of him
So being independent minded means being a weak minded faggot that bends to the will of society? Cool story, newsweek.

inb4 loser. I have a good job, girlfriend, own apartment, etc. I succeeded in life not because society told me to, but because I love knowledge.

>implying
>implyin
>implyi
>imply

I was peer pressuring in 7th grade, everyone acted too much like elementary school kids. White upperclass suburban kids are so sheltered.

Oh shit. I never succumbed to drinking/smoking in my teen years. I thought I was above that shit and above everyone who partook in it. Then, uh, my grades began to drop my senior year and well into my second year of college. I eventually began to drink and smoke and mold my personality to fit in with all these other fuckers.

Now I have no friends and have zero self worth LOL ):

I never gave into peer pressure and I'm a fucking pile of shit. Unemployed college-less 25 year-old. Article is truth.

Confirmed for truth. I'm a complete wreck.

Smoked cigarettes and drank alcohol at around 11-12.

Smoked weed at around 14.

Got trashed every weekend around 16-18.

I ended up being pretty successful - I have two degrees and a good job. But I have no social life. Oh well. The article is mostly true.

I never gave into peer pressure and I'm doing great. Just because I don't give a shit about what other people think doesn't mean I'm not motivated. My grades stayed high in demanding courses in rigorous schools throughout middle school, high school and college. And when I finally finish with fucking college this year I have a job waiting for me at a software engineering firm.

Grow a pair; you can still be motivated and intelligent while still being a loner and an outcast.

>>8715731
identical situation...

Everything about that article is true, except for grades.
I'm guessing that there's pretty much no correlation between intelligence and hermit behavior, and as such, we see the same percentage of intelligent and dumb people in the outcast groups. That would mean then that....FUCK. I could have been much smarter if I only gave in. ;_;

>>8715646 White upperclass suburban kids are so sheltered.

I never got the saying "sheltered." Ever heard the saying "life is what you make it"?

White people make life orderly, comfortable, and above all civil. With all the tribalistic barbarism that other ethnicities can't seem to get out of the way, we're given time to develop higher ideas and levels of education/civic organization. You act like we're living in some "bubble outside of the real world". Again, the saying comes to mind, life is what you make it. You're just jealous that your culture is more brutish and less accomplished.

This reminds me of that study a year or two ago that found there is a direct correlation between number of friends in high school and adult income.

It's unfortunate, but the truth is that social skills are everything in this world. If you don't have them, you're fucked.

From personal experience there are 3 groups, not 2.

Conformists: Those who bow to peer pressure.

Non-conformist pussies: Those who say no to peer pressure but can't handle being heckled for it, they exude vulnerability and cannot stand up for themselves when they are discriminated against for not being part of a social clique.

Non-conformists who grew a pair: These people truly never gave a fuck, it showed, and people respected them for it even if they never accepted them as part of some dumb group. If someone heckled them they nipped it in the bud, first by not looking like they were phased, because they weren't, and if it escalated into bullying by reacting assertively singling out the bully and making him/her look like a fool. These people continue to stand out for the rest of their lives because by learning to love all the stresses and strains that usually cripple people they learn to be rational and be capable of thing others just can't handle, either socially like the conformists or emotionally like the pussies.

I think independence just leads to more extremes. Whilst someone who follows the crowd will fit within society's model of good behaviour, those who reject can end up anywhere. Some will end up in a lot of pain and depression. Those few who become independent but also walk the path of gentleness and empathy end up being the greats of society, whether or not their success is obvious.

>>8715834
>real world

I really hate when people use this phrase to justify some shitty part society. Fuck their "real world".

Wow, that hit me like a brick OP ):

Now, that i have been deconstructed, what there is a 23-years old nonconformist heremit to do?

>>8716406
why?

I AM NON CONFORMIST

I AM A FAILURE IN ALL REGARDS IN YOUNG ADULTHOOD AND THROUGHOUT THE REST OF MY LIFE

is that why?

I hate analyzing my personality too much, but this is true, at leats for me. When I was a kid / teen I never cared much about what other people thought about me, and now I don't enough motivation for pretty much everything. Feels bad, man.

Relax and have a loli

The real world is when you take out loans, go to college, graduate, get a high paying job with a house in the 'burbs and a couple of kids. Deviate from this and you're a "social outcast". My peers treat me differently because I'm 25 and have not settled down for a boring suburban life.

>>8715526

Oh lol. So, if you have some confidence and tell the other kids to fuck off and take their drugs or their flavor of the month-type of things with them, you are considered weak and a failure?

The fuck?

Personally, I tend to be accommodating to the people I care about, and not to care about the people who should fuck off and stop giving me shit.

Current location in life: Recently graduated from college. My girlfriend and I both live with my parents, but we're looking for a place as soon as I find a good job.

I'm happy with where I am.

But if you don't give a shit about conforming to things you hate then you are free to pursue what you like and actually enjoy life. No matter how you live your life someone will always look down on you so do what you like.

>>8717905
>implying that interaction with people is not enjoyable

>>8717989

Not to everyone and not to the same degree for everyone. That much is a fact.

It's true for me

>>8717989
I'll say it clearly. Interacting with people is generally less enjoyable than solo activities.

ITT: People who need to read this.

>>8718011
Depends on the kinds of people you're with.

>>8715563
Let me guess, you got horrible grades?
Grades aren't there to evaluate intelligence as such. They are more there to show you have the will to devote yourself to something and work hard.

The article makes sense to me. A particularly enraging aspect of our unfair reality.

>>8718018
Horrid book but I read it when I was 15 and it was a kick in the balls. I wanted to be a manly independent man. I don't think being selfish is part of that though. I think being kind to people is important - if you show kindness, you will be happier yourself.

so how did i motivation?

>>8718018
Jesus fuck, not this shit again...

>>8715526
Answer might be simple
People who dont sucumb to peer pressure, might be those individuals whom their peers never really try to pressure because they didnt care about them.
In other words, they didnt have friends to be badly influenced by them.
Because having vicious friends seems to be better than having non at all everything seems to suggest.

skunk works.

From what I can understand from the study, people who did bowed to peer pressure and smoke, drink, and shoplift had friends because they were connected by those activities instead of the primary activities of schooling: such as course work and studies. Those who are uninterested and fought peer pressure and concentrated on the primary activities did not made any success in friends.

The same thing can apply for any high schooler who join clubs but are unable to make friends because they do not participate in the external activities of a club such as dating and parties unrelated to the club.

>>8718018
>RANDROID DETECTED BEEP BEEP BEEP

>>8718166

OH wow, you made my day just by saying that. Couldn't stop laughin.

>>8715638
Heh. I love knowledge, too, and school is not the best place to amass it. Since high-school English, history, etc. is deadshit easy, and some of the sciences are too, I chose physics, chemistry, double-maths and Japanese, aced physics, chem., and Japanese with no effort, and almost failed maths because it's about repetition for familiarity's sake unless you're autistic. The things that I am interested in knowing about are the natural sciences and social sciences. Problem is that these things are too easy in school, and you can learn a lot more on the internet, or doing university courses.

>>8715526

Nice.

My sister, who's 3 years younger than I, currently goes to a prestigious college in Chicago. She pays more in tuition per semester than I have for an entire 4 years. She smoked, drank and was generally a rebellious teenager, but it never got real bad. She's also constantly catching up and doing things with friends, and is, in general, a cooler person than I.

I, however, went through without smoking, drinking or anything like that. Now I'm stuck with a major only because of its marketability and pay, I've still not been laid, no one in my graduating class barely knows my name, and I really don't have any friends. I don't hug anyone anymore from my family, and the only real accomplishment I've done was lose some weight only to look skinnyfat. My GPA was above a 3.0, but it's going to sink hard because I've nearly failed Pharmacology, OBGYN and Psychiatry.

:|

This is true to me. I never smoked a single cigarette nor did I conform with any of my classmates, and now despite the highschool diploma, I have avoided college and have no job, barely any friends, and am still suffering from a romantic relationship that ended two years ago. I've come to being quite comfortable with being an anti-conformist, anti-peer pressure, etc. but I suffer a lot in society because of it.

Go me.

It makes sense to me, now tell me why I should care?

>>8718974

Knowing for the sake of knowing.

And if you ever happen to get kids.

>>8719029
People turn out how they turn out.

We invest a lot of time energy and money trying to control what that will be, when more often than not all we can do is adjust small odds. Kids from broken homes and no advantages can grow into marvels of society and change the world, while those with every advantage can sit on their ass and do nothing. People with disabilities and genetic hinderences can grow into influential and powerful figures, while those with advantages can become meaningless drones.

4chan spends a lot of energy (like society) trying to determine what is "valuable." When most of the time they're just complaining they dont have everything they want.


Needs more Kierkegaard up in this bitch.

Wow, people who do shit are more successful than the ones who don't?