I agree, OP. The depravity of young people is just disgusting. Hopefully when their lives implode, they'll grow up.

generally I think people are devolving back to animal with instinct guiding them. trying to get a conversation going and you get brick response.

>>8707669
It's called living life, gramps.

i do. but i can understand that theres really nothing else for young people to do. if soceity could provide alternatives, im sure people would follow into it

>reckless driving,
>obnoxious behaviour in public,
>gambling,
>dishonesty,
>out-of-control spending,
>"I am greater than death and completely immortal" delusion. Wake-up-call imminent.

These are the things that bother me in the list

I agree OP, my roommate is a prime example of this and I'm the complete polar opposite. She goes out and drinks and throws up and is generally promiscuous and...dumb, while I choose to hang out soberly with a few select friends. Not that I'm saying I'm better than her, but damn the girl is a train wreck, and I'm pretty sad that the majority of my age group does even worse than her.

People have been whining about the next generation since Aristotle. Fuck off.

It's why I stay to myself and don't dwell amongst my age group. I'm 24 and I feel at peace knowing I'm not a stereotypical 24 year old.

>>8707669
>Any other young folks here disgusted by the way most people our age act?

More crying from autistic people about how they are so much better than people who go to parties and have friends?

Only about four of the things on that list are even bad.

there are 60 year olds guilty of all those things. Like bikers

OP here. Your hostility comes from your own subconscious recognition that you could do better but choose not to.

The young people are not really at fault.
It's just a symptom of Western civilization collapsing.

Yes, except for the socialism. Why shouldn't government serve the economic interests of the governed?

>>8707857
Because the corporations already do that much more efficiently.

I suspect OP is a lonely virgin faggot who doesn't go outside. IT'S EVERYONE ELSE'S FAULT THAT I'M A FAGGOT.

>>8707887
Please see:
>>8707833


Trust me, my rant is for your own benefit.

Old people are ashamed of us because they are now senile enough to forget the even moar shameful things they have done.

I agree with OP. But I'd be kidding myself if I didn't attribute most of my conservatism to my neckbeard status ;_;

But seriously fuckin' shit. People have always done drugs and had sex and been assholes, but now they're proud of it. That's the difference. I smoke weed too but it's not something I'd brag about at a party. It's a vice.

Yeah, but not really. I would participate if I could.

Except for the socialism, the gambling, and the last thing, yeah, I guess.

But you know, OP, you could just not associate with those people instead of whining about it.

>>8707930

At some colleges those are the only sorts of people who exist.

No, because I'm not a whiny little bitch. If other people want to party it up all their lives, then let them. Well, wreckless driving and obnoxious people in public do bother me though.

>implying that social activity for a social creature is wrong

Sounds like you need the wake up call, OP.

>drug promotion
>promiscuity
>excessive profanity

And how are these bad?

>>8707669

>IT IS NOT CHRISTIANNNNAUGH

Don't call us we'll call you.

I like reckless driving, drinking, petty vandalism, gambling, dishonesty, and easy sex though I don't get enough of the last one. Those things are fun.

>>8707669

i guess it's how people cope, nobody really gives a serious shit about each other these days

Why would I be disgusted by people having parties?

It's why I actively avoid people my own age.

Sure I have no friends, but I'd rather have no friends than have people my age as friends.

ASPIE WHO HATES FUN DETECTED

HOWS THE HAND FLAPPING TREATING YOU OP?

>>8707669

I'm with you OP. That said, the other generations have their flaws too (such as the baby boomers screwing us over).

>>8708060

People can find different things fun!

>>8708044

Whatever helps you cope, you sad cunt.

Would I be wrong to spout 'Post Modern'?

I don't think that our generation operates on some "I am greater than death and completely immortal" delusion. I think it's more like a pessimistic-nihilistic-hedonistic sort of view. Most simply don't care for the future, whether their own or their family's or humanity's. Complete lack of "organizational" thinking, in a sense.

>>8708089

Look at you, just look. I can just imagine the person making your post and it makes me sick.

I seriously just dry heaved. You make me physically sick. You shouldn't even exist, look at you. Look.

Don't you have, like, a club to go to with your bros? And your girlfriend(s)? Is shit cash for you?

Oh I bet shit's real cash, brother. So very, very cash.

Cash.

>socialists attitudes thrown in with the rest of that shit

What the fuck is this?

Trying to act as if you know better is futile.

Being stupid and doing too much drinking/partying/drugs/sex/etc. is a part of being young. Enjoy it, learn from it.

I do hope that the lot of people who seem hopeless and flaunt their stupidity are faking it because they really do feel they're lost causes.

>>8708121

Look at you, just look. I can just imagine the person making your post and it makes me sick.

I seriously just dry heaved. You make me physically sick. You shouldn't even exist, look at you. Look.

Don't you have, like, a library to go to? And your parent(s)? Is shit cash for you?

Oh I bet shit's real cash, brother. So very, very cash.

Cash.

>>8708044
OP here. I like this. This is my mentality as well. It's good to take care of our own interests and values, not those of our inferiors.

>>8708175

Look at you, just look. I can just imagine the person making your post and it makes me sick.

I seriously just dry heaved. You make me physically sick. You shouldn't even exist, look at you. Look.

Don't you have, like, a college to go to with your chosen major? And your professor(s)? Is shit cash for you?

Oh I bet shit's real cash, brother. So very, very cash.

Cash.

FUCK YOU OLD FAGGOT
I WILL SACRIFICE YOUR CHRISTFAG ASS TO SATAN!

>>8708187
Your inferiors would make a very short list indeed.

>>8707669
Grow up young man.
Eventually you will come to the realisation that holding beliefs that you are superior to others is a bad thing.
On that day, you will be very embarrassed.

>>8708206

Yeah, it only needs one word:

"Everybody"

Oh shit, did someone

Just

Get

Served?!

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>8708206
Nah, it's all relative mate. I can declare the whole human race inferior in my own mind if I so choose.

>>8708163
Adolescence is very recent and is a marketing ploy to artificially extend childhood.

seriously OP you have to be trolling. pretty much all these things are what make being young great. indulge, its what life is about

you might think you're above it all, but in a few years you'll find out you're just as much them as they are you.

I guess it's a rite of passage.

OP here. I think people fail to realize that just because religion is out-dated and inappropriate for modern society does not mean that an individual shouldn't have a religion-like moral code.

>>8708216

Damn son!

That's some brutal shit!

>>8708216

I bet that guy feels real silly now...

You sure opened up a can of pressurized whoop-ass on him, god damn.

>>8708239
But I am above it all. It takes true discipline and a long-term mindset to decline all the temptations we're bombarded with. I have a lot to show for it, too.

>>8708247
Morality should be based on reason, not on your Puritan prejudice against other people having fun.

>>8708216

Ahahaha oh shit! It's definately on now chaps!

>>8708232
no, life is not about mindless debauchery and vapid consumption.
you consume your happiness.
you do not produce any

you are all soulless husks unworthy of being sentient

>>8708280
>>8708260
>>8708253
It wasn't funny the first time.

>>8707737

xD "living life"

Yeah you guys go do that..

Oi anyways I'm in the same boat as you OP, I'm only 18 and I pretty much hate all that bullshit... I'm more than happy just playing some vidya will a couple of close friends or just hanging out in general.. I find parties absolutely retarded, well the ones that most of the youth today participate in.. I go to a different kind of party that consist of close family friends and I find those a lot of fun.. The men sit in one room and talk, women sit in their room (usually close to the kitchen).. and the young people usually chill together somewhere..

And I don't think I'm autistic or whatever you labels you guys like to lash out on the more sane people.. My family and others seem to do well without recreational drugs, etc..etc..

>>8708270
>implying being a drunk illiterate cumrag is reasonable

>socialist attitudes
>loud talking
What the fuck am I reading?

Agreed, we need a cultural reset to how it was early in the lat century, if we keep going like we are society will unravel and western civilization shall die

>>8708291

Heh, you're just jealous.

>Drinking
Agree. Alcohol is the stupidest possible drug you could use, and it seems as if everyone in our age group uses it (HURRRRRRRR LETS GET FUCKED UP BRO!)
>Parties
Another stupid behavior, accompanied by alcohol 100% of the time. Stupid people getting together and drinking themselves even stupider.
>Drug promotion
To an extent. I enjoy marijuana myself, and am interested in certain other drugs but I absolutely loathe potheads (which seems like 99% of smokers are: retards whose entire lifestyle is based on a drug)
>Socialist attitudes
blah blah blah i dont give a fuck about politics
>Reckless driving
Are you talking about the subhuman garbage who puts a $5000 exhaust on their 93 civic and then goes around and tries to race every shmuck he pulls up next to at stop lights? Yeah, fuck them. I drive fast but not recklessly.
>Obnoxious behavior in public
See: niggers who play their shitty nigger music on their cell phone speakers at full blast
>excessive profanity
I don't curse at all when speaking to others. Online is a different fucking story.
>gambling
Idiotic hobby for idiots.

etc

THOM!

>>8708247
no I get what you were saying, but if you really lived by one you would see that the faults or crime of others is just as much to blame on you as it is on the ones doing them.

I urge you to read 'The Dream of a Ridiculous Man', it made me grow up.

>>8708305

Yeah I don't understand the appeal either :|

"socialist attitudes".

Seriously:

<----------------

>>8708287
Life is about whatever an individual wants it to be.

Most people "our age" have always acted this way. Nothing has changed.

>>8707669

Are you me? Because I agree completely.

ITT Some guy with half a brain and some independant thought gets drowned out by the brainwashed, ignorant masses

Everywhere you go son. Everywhere you go.

I wa just trying to explain this to my sister who is a senior in college She has no idea what I'm talking about. Her life is so shallow; all she and her roommates do is:

Get all dolled up to go out, head to Blackout City (either at a bar or a houseparty), do God-knows-what, wake up in the morning and have a recap of their night because they can't remember shit. Also, college are so damn promiscuous. No one respects their damn bodies anymore..

>>8708353

Pardon my typos, but yeah. That, and all the other aforementioned things you described piss me off beyond belief.

>>8708353
>anymore
Nor did they ever.

>hardXcore American teenagers who think socialism is a good thing

>>8708353
Yeah, y'see, that's not my lifestyle. But I don't judge others because they choose to spend their lives differently than I do.

Different strokes for different folks.

>>8707782
>i prefer stay-at-home nights with a few selection of my best friends
>i'm too much of a pussy to go to a club and have to sit at home with my only loser friends playing with warhammer dolls

>>8708380
Yeah, 'cause Europe is such a shithole compared to the States these days, amirite?

>>8708322
moar bookz of enlightenment plz

>>8707669
>Drinking, parties, drug promotion (some drugs, responsible use of), socialist attitudes, promiscuity, excessive profanity, gambling

I don't necessarily see any problem with these.

>>8708396

You be one of them bizarre peoples who go out and imbibe drinks and rape the women

>>8708353

sucks for you man :| my sister is completely the opposite.. She's super smart, hard working, and extremely generous/kind... She's a feminist but not in the sense today, not in the Paris Hilton kind, but more along the lines of Hilary Clinton. She is absolutely against the whore culture of today. She's a surgeon now, but damn if it wasn't for her I'd probably be a horrid misogynist of a man :|

>>8708414

Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand

Mind blowing stuff.

>>8708422

Your sister is the exception to the rule

For all women are bitches and whores

Your sister is a rare thing indeed

And now I advise that you have intercourse with her in every which way possible as many times as possible until your penis doth quiver and die

>>8708424

THAT IS NOT A BOOK OF ENLIGHTENMENT IT'S BULLSHIT

>>8708396

I take it you have not heard of introverts.

>>8708441

Nah my mom is a college educated level headed woman too...

In fact a lot of the women in my social circle are.. I'm not sure how our parents did it :|

>>8708445

Aye, and in replying in such a manner I may now add a point to my scoreboard

For you have been trolled by mine post

fookin prawnz :|

>>8708462

Your parents are siblings

Their genes combined did produce a female specimen of particular quality for you to mate with and continue the family line

>>8708414
I don't know about >>8708424 , never bothered to read Ayn Rand.
'Everything That Rises Must Converge' made a pretty big impact on me.

>>8708380
This thread is now a tribute to brilliant economic thinkers.

>>8707833
>cultural reset to the last century
derp

OP, I hate my generation.

But I know this much, in 20 years we will act exactly like our parents. Then we will be bitching about young people just like our parents are now.
Every generation has it's period of doucheyness.

>>8708477
Unions piss me off too, Mr. President.

>>8708445
>watch me act out an idea that has been programmed into my by 4chan

No kidding. This society is going down the shitter in so many ways I sometimes have very little hope. Most young people are hedonistic, opportunistic and unambitious, and have no values whatsoever. They have no moral principles other than "whatever works", thus the overwhelming socialist tendencies. Few, though, really understand how this world works; what makes humans prosper and societies flourish. They are brought up to believe that as long as we have a huge, monopolistic, violent institution watching every step we make, that society will continue to progress, that we will continue to be able to invent things, improve technology, discover more of the world.. What they fail to realize is that this very institution, government, is today the greatest threat to our future. Everything it does impedes our prosperity. Every regulation, every tax, every tariff, every program, brings us one step further away from a more prosperous future. Yet young people believe that if we just put the right people in the state, if we just tinker with the right regulations, we will make everyone happy. If we just stop the "evil capitalist pigs", force the ignorant masses to use government-approved lightbulbs, invent new rules for what people can do with their own hard-earned money, install CCTV on every street corner, outlaw everything the majority doesn't like.

The reality, though, is that economically, the world is about to have the coldest shower in a long, loooong time. First, the bad businesses failed. Then, the bad banks failed. Now, the bad states are failing (Greece, Portugal) and they're going to take a good number of good states with them. And what almost no one understands, is that every single failure is because of the very rules and regulations that the government designed to prevent it.

>>8708497

No pretty much every single intelligent person dismisses that book as bullshit, interesting read, but bullshit

don't knock it til you've been there. Now I'm not mad at you or saying that society is perfect, but I'm going to venture out on a limb and say you've never really experienced these things before.

people doing these things are probably more mature than you. they see society, and then do these things as a means of escaping the low parts of human life. life can really suck, why waste your youth not having fun.

call them shallow, call them stupid. in reality, they are people just like yourself. you aren't better or smarter. you live in your own little world where all the rules are made by you, and you sit back in the comfort of your parents labor and have nothing better to do than criticize others and create pseudo social theories.

get out more, seriously. that is all.

>>8708506

Are you saying that the Government shall be the instrument of its own collapse?

Am I safe, if I can only manage to hold out for a while longer?

>>8708224
It's still better to learn from bad choices and experiences.

>>8708506

Sir, after reading your post and its content which reminds me of the present state of our world I almost sank into despair. The fact then occurred to me that however if there is even a minority that can notice these problems then there is still hope for us all.

I think a re-evaluation of eugenic principles might be in order.

I've been a Furry for 10 years now and want to stop. The problem is that the group of furs that I hang out with don't like me now and if I took my fursuit off, they would probably beat me up and kill me. My last boyfriend (a cute b/w wolf) gave me herpes on my ass and now I have a hard time taking a shit. Sometimes I have to take an Ex-lax so my shit will come out easy.

I've never had sex with a girl, because I don't know how to pick them up. That's why I turned Furry. But now I'm just tired of guys ripping my ass when they don't use lubrication. I've had to get stitches three times. I went out with a fox last night who said he only gives, he doesn't receive, so I had to suck his dick and he made me swallow or he would kick my ass.

>>8708514

I'd approve of the conclusions loosely itt if it weren't for Ayn Randistas all up in this robot

>>8708506
>What makes humans prosper and societies flourish
Oh, and you do know, eh?

>>8708531

>probably mature than you

>HEY BRAH I TOTALLY BONED THIS CHICK LAST NIGHT
>I DONT REMEMBER I WAS SO WASTED
>...
>AWWWGGHH MY FRIKKIN HEAD I'M SO WASTED

After realising that the entire UK population is merely equal to 15% of Facebook's userbase, I lost all faith in humanity. Back to 4chan it is with me then.

I'm not disgusted by any of it, and occasionally even I do most of those things (out of control spending really being the only one I don't do). Everything in moderation. And so long as nobody gets hurt, what's the problem?

I will say though that our generation is the worst as a whole of the 20th century though, by a fucking mile.

>>8708514
like what

i'll give you this: Rand was no novelist. She was better off just writing a nonfiction manifesto-type book.
and I don't agree with her on things like there being objective aesthetics, though there should be some form of standards

but other than that, i dig her.

>>8708531

WAITAMINUTE?

So me recognizing the flaws in the world and responding calmly is stupid?

So I should just drink myself dead cause of the shitty world? Because I see it now?

holy shit you might just have something there..

I'm a straight-edge too OP but I don't criticize people for living an active lifestyle, and I don't think that society is degrading. I'm not delusional.

>socialist attitudes

Edgy libertarian/anarchist detected. Seriously, you are retarded.

>>8708560

>drink myself dead

>AWWWGHHH MY FRIKKIN HEAD I'M SO WASTED

and so we come full circle

for the nature of the universe is indeed that of a cycle that goes round and round

>>8708540
>eugenic principles

lol, because eugenics was an actual movement in the early 20th century based upon darwin's work, and not a made up bastardization of the idea of natural selection, amirite?

Let's be real, Darwin was dead before the term "eugenics" was even coined, and, if the movement was even real, it was started by his cousin who didn't understand Darwin's work but thought he did.

Darwin himself wrote that humans can't ignore the sympathy that prevents eugenics from being implemented, or else we run the risk of losing what sets us apart from animals.

I can find quotes if you'd like, but I assure you it's not necessary.

>>8708553

I'm disgusted by it, that doesn't mean I freak out on people..

I go on with my life happily but frowning everytime I see a whore stumbling with some man who's probably gonna rape her..

People get hurt, but not me

>>8708449
>>8708449
Introverts? Yeah, more like aspies. Seriously we are social creatures. If you're like OP you just hate that you're not invited to the fun or fucking autistic.

>people who drink alcohol are so retarded, I CAN HAVE FUN OTHER WAYS FYI, LIKE COMPLAINING ON /r9k/ HOW I'M SCARED OF LIVING LIFE AND TALKING TO WOMEN

You're all just PUSSIES. Scared of having fun, so you hate everyone else. "Introverts", fucking bullshit. I used to be an "introvert" too but then I stopped being a fucking fat 12-year-old nerd who plays video games all day, watching Japanese cartoons when I'm not.

Get some friends. Get a girlfriend. Go out. Have some fucking fun for once in your life-time.

>>8708554
Rand was no philosopher either, though. She pretty much just yelled ad hominems at those who didn't agree, so while she may have had some good ideas (I'm not passing judgement on that here), she certainly won't get any credibility in a legitimate philosophical discussion.

>>8708585

Until the day comes and you know it will:

>HEY THAT GUY TAKES IT EASY AND LIVES AND LETS LIVE
>GET HIM!!!!

>>8708531
OP here. Your "solutions" to life's problems are ineffective and oriented to the short-term.

>>8708566
Nope, neither. I doubt you understand the real definition of either libertarianism or anarchy.

>>8708574
1. Human intelligence is largely hereditary.

2. Civilization depends totally upon innate intelligence. Without innate intelligence, civilization would never have been created. When intelligence declines, so does civilization.

3. The higher the level of civilization, the better off the population. Civilization is not an either-or proposition. Rather, it's a matter of degree, and each degree, up or down, affects the well-being of every citizen.

4. At the present time, we are evolving to become less intelligent with each new generation. Why is this happening? Simple: the least-intelligent people are having the most children.

5. Unless we halt or reverse this trend, our civilization will invariably decline. Any decline in civilization produces a commensurate increase in the collective "misery quotient."

>>8708592

Thou hast aroused great anger deep within my heart, knave

OP you remind me of a best friend I met back in the 7th grade, me and him were best friends up until senior year. He had the same views as you, he thought alcohol and weed were the devil, he would come to parties and be a complete faggot and get butthurt when someone offered him alcohol/weed. I told him what a faggot he was and have never spoken to him since then, I think he spends most of his time alone in his room crying himself to sleep now.

i feel so unnatural, i'm out all the time with people, drink and shit but i almost never talk, i don't feel anything for other people, i've always been like this since i was little

>>8708574

By saying re-evaulation I was trying to convey that I meant that the term can be applied to a new field based on modern findings and how to best better humankind biologically in the future. Problem is people assume this means that it would be forced on them. Preventing meaningful discussion.

>>8708595
i think that has more to do with the leftist tendencies of intellectual culture in the west than anything inherently bad about her philosophy

>>8708560

yeah, stop giving a fuck what other people do. by being calm, you mean being whiny and lazy. at least they enjoy themselves, you piece

>>8708625

I challenge you to a Duel

>>8708592

What don't you understand??! Many of us already chimed in this thread with responses involving hanging out with a close circle of friends.. Expressing no need for destroying ourselves in the process.. We are social creatures, but we don't need to got nuts with self-destructive behaviors to do so..

I smoke, I drink, I party, I do drugs, I fuck whoever is willing enough to fuck, given they're not a hambeast (though I will admit, I don't do this one enough). Why? Because I'm 20 years old, and if all things go according to plan, I've got at least another 50 or so to go. I'm not hurting anybody, and I still have a pretty good plan for what I'll be doing with my life. We all die anyways, at least I'll be able to die having experienced more than that dude who stayed in all throughout college and worked the same cushy 9-5 job for 40 years.

Does this make me a bad person? If so, I'd love to know why.

>>8708625

We are being calm.. Discussing the issue on an internet message board is pretty much the most tame thing one can do.. None of us care enough to go around yelling at people.. Stop freaking out and you enjoy yourself we're fine

>>8708633

fine, i win then lol

>>8708574
>Darwin himself wrote that humans can't ignore the sympathy that prevents eugenics from being implemented, or else we run the risk of losing what sets us apart from animals.
Darwin is no god of modernity and secularism that we are just supposed to swallow anything he said without question
it's a stupid argument anyway
it implies that the only way to have a eugenics program is to have some barbaric nazi shit where they kill the "unfit" and sterilize people
how about some benefits and incentives for the "fit"? if we are going to have a fucking nanny state, at least lets have one that makes sense

>>8708640

Those things do not make you a bad person, sir.

You are bad because you often desire intercourse with beasts of the canine persuasion, and are known on occasion to peruse literature pertaining to the subject of bestiality.

>>8708640

Well your lack of foresight is worrying but no you're not a bad person per se.. You can screw your own life if you want, but don't assume the only things the other side does it just work and sleep, that's stupid..

>>8708640
>implying holding a job and going to college is a lesser value experience than being a fucking lotus eater

>>8708608
Yeah, I understand what eugenics is, and what it's principles are. I've read Galton, Huxley, Darwin (not that it applies too much here).

But you're right, because society has really gone downhill since the early 1900s when we gave up on eugenics.

And because the eugenic movement wasn't effectively a mechanism for the moneyed aristocracy to oppress the lower, less-educated class.

Please read the court decision on Buck vs. Bell, and a bit of background on the case, and then get back to me.

>>8708646

>Challenge is issued
>Challenge is accepted
>"I accept, therefore I win"
>Field of battle not decided
>Choice of weapons not decided
>No duel fought

Nigga you crazy.

>>8708608

Thank you, you have expressed why I think eugenics requires serious thought these days. It is disturbing what is happening to the population.

>>8708592

What is fun for you might not be fun for others, quite trying to make your way sound like the only way when infact it is fairly obvious some people just are introverted and others extroverted.

>>8708682
sauce on that eugenics summary:
http://www.eugenics.net/papers/caseforeugenics.html

>>8708603

I'm well-aware of what they are.

So you're a Republican?

>>8708623
Well, it has to do with the fact that she didn't follow the regular format or try to market her philosophy in any reasonable way to other philosophers, in much the same way that the Intelligent Design movement of today claims that ID is "science" when in reality it is nothing more than a failed negative argument against evolution that has published no more than 3 actual scientific papers in the past 30 years, all the while spewing books out for the public to read without checking the sources.

ITT: Pussies who are angry because they don't have friends.

It seems a lot of the opposition in this thread comes from people who lack the ability to balance themselves.. Making claims that you can't work a good job, get educated, while having fun.. I suppose the lack of balance is what drives these people towards their erratic behavior..

>>8708634
Jesus christ bro, don't kid yourself that you "choose not to drink myself to death" because it hurts you. Bullshit bro. You're just a pussy who doesn't dare to go to a party, so you just decide that they're retarded for drinking/having fun.

>HEY BRO I GOT SO WASTED LAST NIGHT I HOOKED UP WITH THIS BROAD BRO IT WAS FUCKING SWEET
vs
>Hello /r9k/, today I saw a girl outside my house and I feel that I want to marry this girl but I'm too scared to even go outside. Who else cries themselves to sleep at night? So ronery. ;_;

http://www.arlev.clara.net/glubb/index.htm

>>8708705
Not American. Keep going.

>>8708719

Well at least the second one doesn't sound like some meatbrained red-faced FOOTBALL PLAYER >: (

>>8708682
Please indicate some research that would imply a decline in society over the past... like... EVER.

Other than the Western tendency to sigh after the "good ol' days," whether they actually existed or not.

>>8708663
>Well your lack of foresight is worrying
I have plenty of foresight. I've already been accepted into a firefighting training program that I'll be going into in September. On top of all the other shit I do, I work out like a motherfucker and enjoy it.
>>8708670
I went to college for engineering for a year. Found out I absolutely didn't give a shit about anything I was learning and dropped out to pursue something I will hopefully enjoy more. Not to mention, where I live, firefighters actually make more money than engineers on average.

>>8708709
>she didnt follow an established marketing format
i'll be honest, I think that is a piss-poor reason to write her off

>>8708695

Thank you for posting that, I have actually been to that site before, however it would not hurt to review the materials again.

>>8708743

>Today I saw a girl outside my house and I feel that I want to marry this girl

That part, it made us laugh, yes it did, yes

>>8708640
oh wow this post just did it for me, massive generalization ftl

this whole thread is bullshit. OP is partly buthurt cause he isnt doing any of that stuff. But at the same time he has a point, in the sense that all of those activities (whch are being undertaken by young people) breed attitudes which linger on into adulthood. We end up with a significant segment of the population which places priorities on hedonistic pursuits and nothing else, and these people end up becoming a burden on those of us who place industry, productivity and success as higher priorities in our lives. People like OP recognize this fact and arent going to sit around and take it

>>8708753

YEA BRO ALL DAT MAD $$$ AND PUSSY U GON GET BEIN A FIREMAN BITCHES LOVE FIREMEN HIGHFIVE BRO

>>8708743
Right, because football players are the worst thing that ever happened

>>8708680

>none of that shit will matter

>got this in the bag

Protip: Pessimists and consumerists are both harbingers of a dying empire.

>>8708719

The first one sounds like they need medication to calm them down. The second just requires some confidence and unconditional support. I would say love but you would probably just call me a sissy/hippy.

>>8708771

YES THEY ARE

THEY ARE MEANIES >: (

>>8708769
That's among some of the reasons it seems like a great job, won't lie about that. Genuinely helping people, and being able to work out while I'm not, is what really got me interested in it.

>>8708719

I choose not to drink because I don't want to? I was raised in a home where there was never any alcohol.. I went to social events that had no alcohol, all the adults were sober. The only alcohol I ever saw was on TV and movies.. Fuck even today I'm not well acquainted with it... Sometimes the hallway in my dorm supposedly smells like alcohol, well at least that's what my friends say, but I can't fucking tell. I have no idea what it smells like!

Either way I don't care because I go on living my life..

>>8708759
Please understand that when I say "market her philosophy" I definitely DON'T mean that she wasn't good at selling books, or anything like that.

As I said in my post, I am not making a judgement on whether her ideas were good or not.

However, in general, philosophers as a community like to discuss ideas and play around with them and critique each other before they just go ahead and release a book to an uncritical public who tends to accept anything in ink and hiss and snarl at anyone who DARES to challenge her "truth".

>>8708743
>Well at least the second one doesn't sound like some meatbrained red-faced FOOTBALL PLAYER >: (
Who the fuck are you? Some 20-year-old fatlus who still lives at home whining on a pathetic fucking messageboard?

Stop thinking you're better than the football captain at your school, kid. He lives a far better life than you do.

I'm sorry if we want to have fun and do something with our lives and you don't, /r9k/, but please stop the hate because it only hurts yourselves.

You're going to be 40, unemployed and even fatter than before, playing pathetic video games made for kids and browsing the Internet just like 20 years before while these "retards" who had fun, socialized and succeeded in their education and jobs are still more successful than you.

>>8708736fdsdf

Tory?

Drugs aren't bad. The old times were bad. Really bad.


bloxxxxxxxxxxx

>>8708796

Let me tell you as someone who live 19, almost 20, years of his life without alcohol and then for a few month at the start of university started drinking "to see what the fuss was about": You are not missing a god damn thing. I have stopped now. Waste of money, causes social embarrassment, and tastes like how I imagine piss would.

>>8708821

You mad bro.

That post was obviously tongue in cheek, lol

>socialist attitudes
Other than this I completely agree.

>>8708821

you're associating balance with people who have none.. Stop that.. Only the top 1% of football players will have a decent life, the rest will crumble..

>>8708836
yeah seriously way to miss the point.. he even put the >:( in there to make it more obvious so people wouldn't get butthurt :|

>>8708854
i always Lol at the football player characterization, im from Toronto and if anyone were to 'rep' their football player status in high school they wouldnt be shit. if anything theyd get called out for trying to act out some stupid american stereotype

>>8708831
OP here. This guy actually has a brilliant point. NEVERTHELESS, problems still exist and this time it isn't a foreign rogue state or an epidemic that's causing them.

>>8708854
This is what nerds think. "Oh I'm a nerd so I must become some fantastic successful programmer when I grow up and these bitches who bully me now will pump my gas".

It's never like that. Quite the opposite.

It's what teachers and parents tell you so you can cope.

lol@ this thread degenerating into football playing bros getting mad and people completely missing the actual intellectual core of this thread

>>8708805
>>8708751
>>8708608

for example

>>8708903

This is why as that nerd I decided I did not give a fuck what happens to those who bully me so long as my life is rich, comfortable, and enjoyable. Lording it over them would bring me no joy, and being under them no shame, so long as my criteria are met.

>>8708903
Actually you're wrong. People who learn technology-based job skills as early as possible will be able to cope with an evolving global market, which is becoming more science-based by the day. People who don't, well... they lose their jobs at the car factory.

>>8708914
No one cares about your "intelligent" pseudo intellectual conversation about civilization.
>implying fat 20-year-olds who go to 4chan know what real life is like

>>8708903

once a fucking gain, peddling those same movie lines.. Are you the same guy getting all his information from movies and posting it on here as a representation of people who actually lead calm balanced lives?

>>8708941
Oh, sorry then.

RAWR NERD FAGS COMPLAINING CAUSE HE CANT OUTDRINK A MOUSE

RAWR FOOTBALL PLAYER MAD CAUSE SOMEONE JOKED ABOUT BROS

RAWR OP MAD BECAUSE PEOPLE WANNA HAVE FUN

RAWR PEOPLE WHO WANNA HAVE FUN MAD BECAUSE SOMEONE CALLED THEM HEDONISTIC

better?

>>8708941

stop getting so fucking butthurt, we're not claiming to know anything we're just discussing shit on a board

>>8708941

I care for one.

I have given serious consideration to donating to sperm banks on a regular basis. In fact, unless there is some major flaw in my reasoning which I am unaware of, I imagine not only would this be a good way of putting my genes forward into the future, but also I think they pay you for the donations. I see it as win-win.

Oh lord, this thread has degenerated into a whirling chaos of butthurt and trolls

>>8708973
thisbloxxan

>>8708938
>Actually you're wrong. People who learn technology-based job skills as early as possible will be able to cope with an evolving global market, which is becoming more science-based by the day. People who don't, well... they lose their jobs at the car factory.
Welcome to the real world where kids in China will do what you can do for $0.45, in 1 hour.

The real champions are those who don't sit in front of their computer all day, have charm and charisma (from socializing in their younger days), learn actual skills and get real careers that won't fade (IT). They are the ones who will succeed.

Stop thinking only pussy nerds who don't party, have fun and fuck chicks can get into college or get straight A's.

>>8708994
This also, I mean it's perfectly possible to be a charismatic asshole who drinks, is a socialist, and makes straight As/makes a shit ton of money.

>>8708994

Both of you seem to be stuck in a childish "one or the other" mentality. I am sure cases of successful nerds doing well out of their intellectual pursuits are plentiful in a equal proportion to those who rely upon social skill and personal charisma/skills.

>>8709052

exactly, people with a balance do exist..

>>8709052
>rely upon social skill and personal charisma/skills
Stop thinking that's all these "assholes" (as you call them, I wonder why LOL) know. They probably know more than you.

Seriously you nerds don't even get good grades, it's something that's true in movies but in real life you just straight out suck. I come to /r9k/ to laugh about fat losers stuck in their own failure all the time.

>>8709128
You come to /r9k/ period. An internet forum has greater value to you than the opportunity cost whatever else you could or should be doing.

>>8709128

You get a laugh out of others perceived misery? :| Come on man, tell us, what happened? Did your parents not give you enough attention or something?

Wait I wanna propose a general question to everyone here, maybe someone can explain this to me..

What makes a person get joy out of another's misery? I myself never get happy when someone is miserable, I only get sad myself.. Even if it's someone I don't get along with (kinda hard I'm a pretty calm and rational guy) I still feel bad for them.. Yet I see so many people around me getting happy when someone gets hurt.. Not in the comical sense but emotional..

>>8709128

I did not refer to them as assholes, and I don't think that that is all they know. I was being brief, not being in the mood to list every single piece of possible qualities a social group can possess

>>8707816
I hate autistic people because I got banned from a forum only after two days of making an account..so what if I compared them to sociopaths?

>>8709159
Yeah bro, everyone comes to 4chan for the same reason as you bro sure.

Go make a thread about never kissing a girl.

>>8709170

To add to this.. I even get sad when I win but someone else loses.. Like if I win a contest, but then I see the sea of disappointed faces and it just MURDERS ME inside..

>>8709170

Probably because people are evil

personally i only get joy out of it if i feel that they deserve their suffering

>>8709189

wtf what does autism have to do with any of this?!

>>8709170
Well you could read some Freud and Nietzsche (specifically N's "On Guilt and Bad Conscience") if you're not worried that it'll make you kill schoolchildren or something.

>>8707669
OP is right :P

>>8709237

Make me kill schoolchildren?! What's the point of the book? To make me question my morality?

>>8709170
why should i feel bad for the op in this thread for example? i'm the same as the guy in the post you're replying to. i get laughs from r9k.

mostly because it's something along the lines of
>FUCKING NORMALFAGS HOW DARE THEY HAVE FUN, THEY DONT DESERVE TO HAVE FUN, I SHOULD BE THE ONE HAVING FUN, FUCKING MEATHEADS, DRINKING THEIR MINDS AWAY AND CHEATING ON THEIR GIRLFRIENDS, FUCKING ASSHOLES, NICE GUYS LIKE ME NEVER GET A CHANCE
>WELL I DONT NEED TO PARTY I CAN HAVE FUN IN OTHER WAYS
>implying everyone else only finds joy in partying

it's hilarious

>>8709196
Your reason is irrelevant. The fact that you even come here in the first place reveals that the cost of the time lost and opportunities missed while browsing this website is less than the cost of not browsing 4chan. This is an economic concept called "opportunity cost".

In short, surfing 4chan is the best thing you could be doing at this moment.

>>8709270
No, that's "On the Genealogy of Morality."

>>8709292

i wasn't talking about you getting laughs off fat sad people, not the OP.. Look back at your post..

Why do you get happy looking at the misery of fat people on r9k?

>>8709320

fucking i jumbled up the words in my haste..

What I meant to say is that why do you get happy off the sad people on r9k NOT the OP, your first post didn't have a mention of the OP..

>>8709320
because they're hilarious, op is one of them
and it's funny how they think they're superior to everyone.

i don't feel bad about it, it's their own fault most of the time for being losers

>>8709353
You're white, aren't you?

>>8709300
I could go watch TV instead but nothing better is on at 3:26 AM.

>>8709353
And yet you're still on 4chan...

>>8709382
I lol'd heartily. I'm now confident you're a troll.

I am okay with responsible drug use. Moderation, most importantly. What's immature about that?

>>8709407
It puts money in the pockets of non-Whites.

Welcome to the cultural decline.

Young people usually accept it because they are mostly drones that know nothing about the world and how to think for themselves.

The intelligent ones see the bigger picture.

>>8709427

And while I am not sure as to whether I am intelligent or not, I for one am a bit sick of despairing at this and yet wildly hoping that hard work and integrity will triumph.

>>8709427

You're just making broad accusations. While it may be true for some, it is certainly not true for all.

I agree with you OP, I have an "old fashioned" set of morals except for porn and sex before marriage. I don't go for one night stands.

I believe the old ways can teach us a lot and make us better people. Unfortunately people ignore them.

MATING CALLS ALL AROUND
YOU SHOULD TRY IT
[AND THE FATSO YOU ARE BANGING DONT COUNT AS FULFILLMENT]

>>8709427
>see the broader picture

The broader picture is that life is meaningless... Nothing on this earth will ever last, so go have fun and experience things.

ITT: Adult aspie manchildren who still haven't grown up

>>8709553

It is views like this that are causing the human species to go down the proverbial shitter. Life does matter and have meaning, and ultimate futility does not mean that we and this Earth will not be around for an incredibly long time, and that as a species we need to plan and work toward making our lives and the lives of our descendants better and more enjoyable, advanced, and prosperous, than earlier generations.

>>8709587
>as a species we need to plan and work toward making our lives and the lives of our descendants better and more enjoyable, advanced, and prosperous, than earlier generations.

why?

>>8709455

Only for your life. Everyone else that slacked off will be left with less meaningful opportunities.

The key is having hard work, and having fun. You don't want to end up, knowing that you sat on 4chan for years on end while you could be doing something more fun. Nor do you want to think you pissed away your life's meaning getting fucked up for fun.

I know people that could of made something of themselves, but instead they go to jail over and over because of stupid drugs. They don't care about their life, besides living for the moment. And that's the problem.

The future and the moment need to be equal.

>>8709665

So we can enjoy our lives in an ever advancing and free world and feel satisfied that our children can enjoy theirs in such a world?

>>8709665

So that the quality of life for the next generations will be ever better?

I see everything going in reverse though.

>>8709665
Because, I for one, have decided that meaning of my life will be to build long-term prosperity and stability.

(I'm not the poster you replied to.)

>>8709687

You are right. If I work hard, but not too much, and have fun, but not in excess, and do unto others as I would have them do unto me, I can enjoy life and help bring about a better world for at least myself and hopefully others.

ITT: 30 year old basement dwellers/mommas boys bitch about people with social lives

It's not like I go out an get wrecked every single day, but I have fun with my boys. You can drink and NOT puke you know, it's all about pacing yourself. I haven't puked from being drunk since I was 17. If you guys got some friends then maybe you'd start enjoying life rather than making threads on r9k bitching about other people.

>>8709687
Eh, not so sure about all this living for the future.

There are a lot of schools of thought that think that at every instant a new you is being created and an old you is being destroyed.

This book is not one of them, but it's another I think everyone should read... It's called Einstein's Dreams, by Alan Lightman. Real good read, and deals with different concepts of time, and how too many people cling to the present or the past or the future. Just read it, it's awesome.

>>8709701
>>8709696
>>8709690
>>8709665
>>8709587

Please, all of you... watch.

>>8708175

The fuck is wrong with a library you fucking retard? Go fuck off and die in a pool of shit you ignorant fucker.

Also, fuck drinking, drugs, reckless driving, loud faggots, obnoxious behavior, promiscuity, gambling, dishonesty, overspending, and the final phrase.

>>8709696
Where do you see this regression that everyone keeps talking about? Because I don't see it.

>>8709300
>>8709388

I'm not the guy you guys are replying too, but just because we're on 4chan doesn't mean we're on here all day. At least not for me. I'm just killing time waiting for my friend to come pick me up.

>>8709770
What's most important is self-improvement. Yes, you can 'be yourself' but still change and grow. That's called maturity.

>>8709774

That was dull and apart from the astronomical phenomena most likely wrong. I doubt it would take us 48000 years to reach that stage of development.

>>8709774
Did you make this? The graphic designs were meh.

"I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on
frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond
words... When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and
respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly
disrespectful and impatient of restraint" (Hesiod, 8th century BC).

>>8709897

No, i didn't make it, i stole it from /gif/, and before that it was on ytmd... the chance of me making it are almost 0... especially on 4chan, a sight known for image thievery.

>>8709170
It's mainly because most of you guys are a bunch of miserable cunts. It's hard to feel sorry for someone that blames everyone else for their problems instead of fixing it themselves...

>fucking bitches and whores man why am I still a virgin at 25 what a bunch of vapid sluts

Anyways my rides here, have fun guys.

>>8709770

>Einstein's Dreams, by Alan Lightman. Real good read, and deals with different concepts of time

DO WANT.

>>8709912

Hesiod would probably break down and cry, and retreat huddled into a dark room, were he to see the state of humanity's culture and manners alive today.

>>8709811

More of society becoming dependent on government assistance, economic failure, public education systems being dumbed down too pass the less intelligent students...for starters.

>>8709993
But in all these don't we see improvement, really?

Our children may have a hard time passing schools, but aren't we as a society smarter than 100 years ago?

I reject that government control (dependence is a loaded word) over certain programs is necessarily a bad thing. I think roughly half of the people you'd talk to would see it as progress.

As for economic failure, meh. Shit happens, and it would appear to me that a few people are responsible for that fuckup. Although I would concede that the fact that the average American spend 120% of his income is a worrisome problem.

>>8709935
So read it, seriously it is fucking awesome. So well written, and it evokes much more thought and emotion than I ever thought. The book literally gave me chills, and it's something that I will probably read again and again.

>>8709958
>Culture and manners

Okay, but isn't that the trend of things? The older generations are always upset at how "improper" their children are. Sorry Mom, sorry Dad, sorry Great^50-Grandpa Hesiod, but these aren't the old times anymore.

I'm not too worried about manners and societal standards and norms.

You know people like you, on both sides, makes life seem very very miserable.
You either go one way or the other.
I guess I'll just get that Missionary job.
I get to travel the world and socialize with many different people WHILST upholding my beliefs and moral code, and live what I atleast perceive as a dignified life.
It may not be to others, but let them believe what they feel best.
I try to do the same.

People are selfish, sadistic, false, licentious, gluttonous, etc. etc.

THIS IS NOTHING NEW

It sucks horribly but it's nothing new. And, by the way, you suck just as bad as all the faggots you hate =)

Why are people that "live the life" so aggressive about it?

I like to read about history - do I tell people how much they are missing out by not doing it? Of course not, I really dont care.