>>8540744

The originality of your ideas is simply stunning.

I work at an airport and soon, fat people will have to pay for 2 seats.

Serves them right, fucking fatties.

>>8540744
we definitely should roll out a fat tax, it will curb the obesity epidemic and kill our national debt in one fell swoop

and don't give me that bullshit BUBUBUT I CAN'T HELP BEING A LAZY FATASS SLOB

unless you have a thyroid disorder, you have no excuse, you are embarrassing the nation and humanity as a whole

>>8540744
>Implying being a little overweight is just as bad for your health as inhaling the smoke from a cigarette.

>>8540782
Did I say "a little overweight"?`

No, I said fat. Fat as in doesn't fucking work out, eats way to fucking much, clogs their arteries and all that fun shit, can't climb a flight of stairs without feeling a bit winded, etc.

Although, inhaling the smoke from just one cigarette isn't that lethal to you at all, so since you compared "being a little overweight" to "inhaling the smoke from a cigarette", I would have to say yes, being a little bit overweight is less lethal than inhaling the smoke from A cigarette.

Pic related, it shows why so much anti-smoking propeganda is bullshit. Cigarettes certanly aren't good for you, but they are overly demonized, as are smokers themselves.

>>8540836
op here,
certainly*

Did a typo.

How about instead of taxing people being fat, we tax foods that they most likely buy to get fat, like Coke and Twinkies and fucking pies and shit.

Step 1: Ban the purchases of junk food for use with an EBT card. You're on state benefits to get by, not stuff your fucking face full of garbage.

Step 2: "Sin Tax" where junk food is taxed extra because of the health-detriments and higher health-costs that are associated with it.

Step 3: Cut down the amount of servings per bag. Goddamn fatties don't know when enough is enough when wolfing on a bag of chips.

Shit's deplorable, but the easy access for shitty foods is the problem, not fat people themselves (not wholly, anyway).

>>8540836
My grandpa died of lung cancer because he smoked cigarettes.

And no, he didn't smoke 500 packs a day. I hardly ever even saw him with a cig, and I remember that he even tried to quit and succeeded for like, 9 years.

But on the 10th year, he got lung cancer and slowly wasted away into death.

But yeah, you're probably right...cigarettes are definitely overly demonized. Hahaha those crazy anti-smoking ads are just silly :P

>banning fat people
And how would that work, bro?

>>8540857
If the government can discourage eating a bag of doritos, then why the fuck is it obligated to let queers marry?

OP is a butthurt smoker.

>>8540868
Shutup you flaming homosexual.

>>8540744
HEY OP I'M A FAT SMOKER, CAN I BE IN YOUR SUPER COOL CLUB?

Idiot. Most smokers don't exercise anyway because their black lungs can't handle the pressure of real exercise. That's why I'm fat.

>>8540862
My grandparents smoke about a pack a day each, and have smoked since their late teens. They are in their late 70's, no sign of cancer, and are both pretty healthy.

I think cancer is more of a genetic thing, probably an overall health thing really.

Also no offense to your grandpa or anything, but there is no way to know if his cancer came from cigarettes or not. Lots of people like to blame cigarettes for ANY and ALL cancer, but there are many things that cause cancer other than cigarettes.

I'm a chubby dude (overweight, but not obese - fat by my standards, "average" by society's) and I support this.

We grew up in a culture that preached to us again and again that being fat was okay. And I grew up in a family that used food and meals as punishment tools, and with grandparents who force-fed me as a comfort tool. I was a fat FUCK as a kid.Not once was a proper, healthy diet or lifestyle taught to me.

I educated myself, as an adult, and got fit. But of course, one divorce and three ruined relationships later (all women will eventually cheat on you lol), I've started to get fat again. Alcoholism + comfort foods is bad in theory, but when you genuinely stop giving a fuck about what happens to you, it's easy to just revert to childhood habits (well, and adult vices).

If kids were raised to hate fatties, and taught how and why people become fat, and given a proper education AT HOME (to counter the propaganda of the school system), then ffs we'd not have a global epidemic of fat people on our hands.

>>8540866
encouraged/legal harassment of fatties by the rest of the community, doctors reporting on fatasses, etc

>>8540877
That's a good point. I'm glad we had this discussion, because I sure learned a lot.

>shut up you flaming homosexual

Oh man I'll never forget your sage advice, oh wise teacher. Thank you for teaching me the ways of the masters.

>>8540836

What the fuck? Is your picture implying that magnesium and phosphorus will kill you just because they're used in various chemicals? Holy shit I raged.

No, cigarettes are really fucking bad for your health.

>>8540884
Thats not why you're fat. I'm a smoker, and I'm in great shape. I run 2 miles 5 days a week, and lift weights.

>>8540898
That's just fucking childish you twit. It's not gonna do anything but drive fatty suicide up, and then we get a big ol' stink because they're gonna hide somewhere and rot.

Not to mention that in practice it would boil down to salem witch hunt bullshit anyway.

>>8540917

>implying 2 miles is a long distance to run

dohoho

>>8540919
Hasn't done that to smokers.

>>8540917 liarblox
You're such a fucking liar.

>>8540926
There was never an instance of encouraged/legalized harassment of stoners.

Go back to bed Rob Reiner.

>>8540923
>implying someone in bad shape LET ALONE A FATTY could easily run 2 miles 5 days a week.

My point is, I'm a smoker and 2 miles per day is no problem. Running 2 miles a day and lifting weights, together with eating right, is enough to make a fatty not be fat.

Fuck, even just eating right is enough to make a fatty become not fat.

>>8540943
*smokers

man am I high


sonsofthemosthighblox

>>8540943
I'm talking about cigarette smokers.

Besides, what's wrong with fatties offing themselves, other than their stink? Just one more person gone who has no self control.

>>8540944

Yes, someone in bad shape could easily run 2 miles a day. That's what, 20 minutes of easy jogging? They might not be able to run at a decent speed, but with you being a smoker, I doubt you do either.

>>8540954
By that pin-headed logic, porn addicts should off themselves, alcoholics, drug abusers, sex addicts, etc, etc. should kill themselves.


Not that I'd have a problem with that, but most other people would.

>>8540949
Also, we already have encouraged/legalized harassment of smokers. They indoctrinate children with that shit, yet they don't find it ok to indoctrinate children to hate fatties.

>>8540857
>You're on state benefits to get by, not stuff your fucking face full of garbage.

No, you don't get it. Ever seen a WIC cheque? They specify "instant" and generic foods, over healthier, same-price items. The whole point of welfare is to keep the poor in their place. The system is designed to support you enough that you continue to either: work in shit-tier jobs or; contribute to the burden which holds your race/social group down at the bottom of society.

If welfare helped poor people get out of poverty, we would not have enough poor people for our society to continue running on them.

When I was 4 years old a morbidly obese lady stepped on my foot, crushing about 7 or 8 bones. Holy shit I can still remember how painful that was. Since that day I hate fat people. We should demonize them, they are everything that is wrong with our nation.

>>8540960
Depends on what kind of condition your knees are in. I could still jog when I was 45. Now that I'm 50, not so much.

>>8540975
>indoctrinate children
>talking about health class at school

>>8540960
You still have yet to knock down my point that smoking isn't going to stop the fatty from working out. I doubt you even get out of your fucking computer chair. Fuck, you're probably a fatty.

OP I think what you want is for there to be higher taxes on things that CAUSE obesity.
i.e. = fast food/dairy/sodas

>>8540983
>they are everything that is wrong with our nation.
No they are only a part of it.

>>8540975
>we already have encouraged/legalized harassment of smokers
Never happened. Unless you're Rob Reiner. Which you are, in which case your argument has no validity because you can buy your way out of harassment suits.

Children are taught the dangers, the repercussions of smoking, but are never taught to hate on smokers.

>>8540960
You must be from somewhere where they don't run.
2 miles in 20 minutes?
I see fit kids who are panting like pigs by the end of that.

>>8540862
Because Cigarettes are the sole cause of lung cancer.

>>8540986

holy hell you're older than my grandfather

I'm overweight but in shape; I eat right, take care of myself, and don't pig out on junk food. The extra weight is mostly a choice, as I find it attractive. I'd be disgusted with myself if I was any thinner.

Are there many fat people like me? No. But we do exist, and /r9k/'s generalizations about fat people are as misguided and ignorant as /r9k/'s generalizations about every other group of people ever. In short, OP, I don't agree with you at all.

>>8540836
How does that show how ridiculous the propaganda is? Genuine question. I am pretty stoned.

>>8541006
>Has a grandfather that is younger than my mother
Your family was full of whores and sluts. Enjoy being a son of a whore.

>>8540996
>Fuck, you're probably a fatty.

I'm 50. I'm getting O-L-D. My knees just went, and now I have to hobble instead of walk.

>>8540981
Yes, I've seen plenty of WIC checks. And it always goes along the lines of

>1 gallon and 1 quart milk, lower fat
>1 dozen eggs
>1 16oz, whole grains
> 1 16oz bag of dry beans/lentils or 1 16-18oz jar of peanut butter

Or it goes
>Can purchase $6 worth of fresh produce/frozen fruits/vegetables

but it's obvious that you havent seen a check, because you'd realize you're full of shit.

>>8540999
No, children are taught to hate smokers. I know because I get approached by a lot of FAT FUCKS, children, and snobby retards while smoking in the limited areas where I am legally allowed to smoke.

There are places where people aren't allowed (as in, there is a law against it) to smoke in their own god damn house.

The whole point of this thread is that if we as a culture are going to attack smokers for having an unhealthy habit, they should attack the other unhealthy shit like being fat, because there are more fat people than smokers in the US.

>>8540991
Yes, health class is a huge indoctrination place. Weren't you there the day they told you how bad for you weed was, and how you will get addicted to it and overdose on it and all that shit? Or when they fed you bullshit like "smoking one cigarette will make you addicted forever AND give you cancer!"

Hey OP, look at my situation.
When I was a kid, my mother used to slip her anger management drugs into my food. Caused a bunch of hormonal problems for me and made me not give a fuck, so by the time I moved out for college, I was 270 lbs.
In college, I was off the drugs, so I realized how fucked up I was. So I joined a gym and quickly shed the fat to a comfortable 180 lbs and normalized my hormone levels.
Problem is - I now have a bunch of loose skin which I can't fill out with muscle because it just won't grow. I've had instructors give up on me and doctors tell me that I'm perfectly healthy and probably just don't have much potential on a genetic level.

So what do I do now? It's like I'm a fatass and not at the same time.

>>8541042
But smoking harms others, whilst eating McDonald's doesn't necessarily.

>>8541042
Really? I was never taught to hate smokers. And I grew up in california, arguably one of the more health-centric states in the US. I never got one complaint about my smoking, even when I'm taking a break in front of the store where I work to have a smoke. But I guess california is more tolerant of smokers, what with the rampant pot smoking going on.

>>8541010
You know the anti cigarette things that list shit thats in cigs, and other stuff that stuff in the cigarettes is used for?

This is one showing stuff in apples which when taken out of context is a deadly substance.

>>8541055
How does smoking harm others? I have yet to see a single case study which says that while I'm smoking well away from where most people go, outside in a well ventilated area, if a fat fuck walks 50 feet out of their way to tell me not to smoke, then walks away after I tell them to be fat somewhere else, they will be harmed from the cigarette I'm smoking.

>>8541059
Oh I seeeee. Is it in the same concerntrations as a cigarette?

>>8541058
You also aren't a child right now, if you are the average age of people on this board.

You probably grew up in the 90's and early 2000's. They weren't so evil about smokers/smoking as they are now.

>>8541100
I believe you've failed to realize that secondhand smoke has the POTENTIAL to harm others, while some fatty eating a burger somewhere won't harm anybody (unless, you know, you try to take his food. You wouldn't like that).

Let's try to keep up with the rest of the class.

>implying the government taxes us so that we stay healthy, and not so they get fat paychecks and lifelong pensions

Obesity just knocked tobacco related illnesses off the leading causes of death in Australia.


FUCK YEAR RELEVANT PACK WARNINGS

>>8541113
I fail to see how my childhood in the 90s has any relevance to my experience smoking in the here and now.

Because I do smoke, and I have never been approached and called on it. Understandably, I am skeptical of your claims.

>>8541100
Are you STUPID?
Have you never heard of SECOND-HAND SMOKING?!

>>8541119
Fatties eating so much food DOES harm others.

Just think of world hunger. If these fatties would eat a normal amount of food, it would lessen the amount of food needed by highly developed nations, allowing others to have that food.

Also, all this food growing causes much ecological damage.

wait so is that a real picture? like did leonard ball actually exist?

>>8541146
have you ever heard of-
oh you little fucker, almost.

>>8541143
Where the fuck do you smoke? In your garage or some shit? Go to /420/chan's smoke, let them tell you about some of the batshit crazy anti-smokers.

I am HIGHLY skeptical of your claims.

>>8541146
Second hand smoking is only a problem with people who are FREQUENTLY exposed, in an enclosed area, to lots of cigarette smoke, NOT a danger to anyone when I'm smoking away from people and outside. Also, not a danger to someone walking through a cloud of smoke.

>>8541151
No, I'm pretty damn sure pandering to the American Way of having it Your Way is what made these fatties today. As fastfood industries bulked up to meet demand, their customers bulked up as a result. That's why your argument is so fallacious, it's not that fatties need to EAT less, it's fastfood industries and markets that need to OFFER less. But they won't do that because money is such a beautiful word.

>>8541183
Actually I'm pretty sure if fatties stop eating so much, the fast food companies will notice and will have to cut down. With no demand, an excess supply is fucking bad, especially with something perishable like food.

It's not like they're holding a fucking gun to the head of fatties, forcing them to eat that king size meal.

>>8541164
Same could be said for batshit-crazy christian fundies. Or batshit-crazy islamic fanatics. People can be extremely passionate about their beliefs. Doesn't mean children are taught to hate smokers, and it doesn't mean the majority of people around you are extreme-anti smokers.

>>8541192

Well, then why should drugs be illegal? It's not like somebody is holding a gun to their heads and making druggies become addicts.

>>8541196
No, but it seems to me the government is, and there are so many people on the "its unhealthy, lets tax the fuck out of it!" bandwagon.

The point of this thread is that if they are going to tax the fuck out of us, limit choices of shit, etc. for doing something unhealthy, they should be doing it for everything else unhealthy, and especially things that cause a lot of health problems.

Although ideally, they should stop taxing the fuck out of/banning unhealthy shit.

>>8541192
Perhaps they would if food industries weren't goading them with adverts of 'super-size this meal for 59c more!' and others of the ilk. It has been taught to most of all children throughout the decades to 'eat up everything on your plate' to the point where it's almost an american mantra. And of course food industries are going to capitalize on this. People can resist many things, but temptation isn't one of them.

>>8541216
How the fuck is temptation not something you can resist? Are you fucking retarded? How is it that I don't go follow every fucking commercial on the air then? Why don't I smoke 2 packs a day then? Why isn't EVERYBODY a fucking a fatty? Because some people have self control, and others do not.

>>8541209
>Although ideally, they should stop taxing the fuck out of/banning unhealthy shit.

Yeah, let's just give people free reign over addictive substances. Have it how they want, when they want, without the psychological barrier of heavy-tax applied. Surely it will be a huge success!

Fucking retarded if you ask me, You're basically saying "Hey! Let's let all the fatties and druggies to consume everything uninhibited and drag everyone else down with them without any kind of reparations for their reckless behaviour!"

Fucking idiot.

>>8541197
I'm not arguing for drugs to become illegal. My whole point is they need to stop banning/taxing unhealthy shit, and need to stop demonizing smokers, illegal drug users and the like. By banning/taxing some unhealthy shit and not other unhealthy shit, they are hypocrites

>>8541230
Temptation isn't something most people can resist? Know why the iPhone is a huge sucess? Protip: it isn't because it is a functionally complete piece of kit to make your life easier, but because Apple spent millions on marketing this product in a way that would make you covet it. Same thing applies for food advertisements. They do their best to make it look sooooo good so people will come and buy it. How fucking stupid are you not to see this?

>>8541240
For the vast majority of human history, most substances were not illegal, yet we're here right now.

>>8541249
Yes, but not everybody owns a fucking ipod. I don't own one, and I know many people who absolutely refuse to buy one.

>>8541248
>My whole point is they need to stop banning/taxing unhealthy shit
Okay. That's cute. Now provide an argument why. Not "hurr durr because they don't tax this other stuff they are hypocrites!" What functional benefit would we see from not taxing this stuff?

>I think we should demonize fat people like they demonized smokers.

Fat people don't make other people fat by eating fatty foods within their vicinity.

BURR HURR IM A SMOKER STOP OPPRESSING US ;___;

Talk of raising the already high tobacco taxes in autralia got thrown out.

thank god.

>>8541252
And for the majority of human history, we were disease-ridden, stupid hunter-gatherers. What's your point? That because it was acceptable then it's acceptable now? That's ridiculous.

>>8541258
Yeah, but alooooot of people do. It may not be everyone, it may not even be the majority, but it's enough to make a serious impact. Just like fatties and food advertisements.

>>8540744

i completely agree? i think people should be able to do what ever the fuck they want to

>>8541267
Well for one, a large group of people would no longer be unfairly taxed. Fuck all the programs they use the money for. I don't give a fuck about any of them, they can take a fucking lesson from it and cut their retarded overspending.

I don't think being fat is great but DO NOt say smoking is good by any stretch of the imagination. When I can get cancer from YOUR fucking addiction something is wrong there.

Being fat doesn't affect others around you in a unhealthy way.

I dont think we need to fine or tax fatties, all we need to do is properly demonise them in the media. The problem we have is shitty fat genes are being passed on to the next generation in droves. We need to make fat people look like the losers they really are, instead of giving them sympathy.

Srsly, ban gay marriage??

Ban FAT marriage!

>>8541282
If someone wants to go get addicted to meth, I believe it is their right to do so. It will let those with self control prosper, and won't be stepping on peoples rights.

>>8541313
>>8541313
Never said smoking was good for you. Also, it's entirely your fault if you get cancer from my cigarette.

Also, being fat causes more food demand, causing more food to be grown/raised, which damages the environment in a HUGE way. Fat people eat a fuckton, while there are so many starving people. Fatties have a huge effect on other people.

>>8541313
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/25/health/25cnd-fat.html?hp

Enjoy your secondhand obesity.

>>8541342
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA TAKE THAT YOU RETARDS WHO THINK SECOND-HAND SMOKING IS EVEN THAT BIG OF A PROBLEM.

>>8541298
Now how are they being unfairly taxed when they had the proper education about the pros/cons of smoking before taking the dive to do so? In elementary schools, 4th graders are shown a preserved cancerous lung, for fucks sake. People who smoke know what they are getting into going in.

And yeah, lets just cut all those programs that are funded by smoking taxes, like cures for cancers brought on by the act of smoking, military operations, new fuel alternatives, etc. Did you think all that tax money is collected and kept in a safe, dum-dum? Because in reality it's being doled out to various programs that are ment to enrich our lives.

Why don't you take a fucking lesson from your ignorance and go educate yourself before babbling on like a bleeding-heart wanker.

>>8541349
Well it kind of is a problem, that's why every developed nation has banned smoking inside public buildings.

>>8541373
Which means that it is not that big of a problem now. Now, unless you are the child of a smoker who is an asshole or something, it is entirely your own fault for being exposed to cigarette smoke in durations that could be deleterious to your health.

>>8541151
>Just think of world hunger. If these fatties would eat a normal amount of food, it would lessen the amount of food needed by highly developed nations, allowing others to have that food.
Absolutely, totally fucking wrong.
If fat fucks didn't eat that much, food producers would rage and try to put their shitty product (corn, for example - in the form of high fructose corn syrup) everywhere. It would definitely not go to starving niglets.
You know what happens with surplus food? You obviously don't, so I will tell you:
It is either burned or dumped into a hole to rot.
No food company will decrease their monetary gains to feed some starving Africans.
Not that it's a bad thing. It would just make them incredibly dependent, totally incapable of getting food themselves and "secure" enough to breed far faster than they would otherwise, thus causing another period of starvation, now with far, far more mouths to feed.

>>8540744
They don't tax it because they care for people, they tax it for money you fucking idiot.

>>8541364
It is wrong because they are taxing something just because it is unhealthy.

Also, you mind showing some links or something that show which programs it goes to? I know that tax Obama put on tobacco a while ago went towards childrens hospitals or some shit (which I DONT CARE ABOUT).

If they want funding for those programs, they can go and take it FROM OTHER SOURCES, or out of our fucking INCOME tax or some shit like that. You know, something that would come from most people, not just one minority group.

>>8541336
>Also, being fat causes more food demand,
Ever hear of the term correlation =! causation? It's not like fatties are snapping up all the healthy food around here. They buy mostly junk foods that wouldn't be deemed fit for a food bank. You goddamn better believe that they're not gonna feed excess twinkies to starving niggers in africa. Your deluded view on how fatties affect the demand for food is grossly out of proportion. Foods that are actually needed for developing countries aren't getting wasted on fatties, because fatties wouldn't eat that shit anyway.

It's the demand for junk food that's the problem.

>>8541408
>>8541392
I admit I am wrong about that point, but my other point still stands that all this food growing/raising causes environmental damage, and now I also have that second-hand fatness study that was done, showing evidence that fat people influence people around them because they are fat.

>>8541407
Who gives a flying FUCK about what your spoiled, piteous ass cares about, nancy-boy? You have no business talking about what should or shouldn't be taxed if you don't care about how the tax money is spent.

And smoking tax isn't extrapolated from minority groups you ignorant cunt. Tobacco farm and usage dates back to the founding of this country. If it wasn't for the MILLIONS of WHITES that were smoking since before all these minority groups appeared, we wouldn't be a third as powerful as we are today. To say that only minorities smoke is fucking facetious and just full retard.

Oh also, the problem is not just with taxation. If you weren't a self-hating smoker you would probably know about the BANNING of all flavored cigarettes other than menthol (and the talk about possible banning of that too), and the introduction of FSC which SUCKS BALLS at doing its job of preventing fires, and also introduces a bad taste and an additional dangerous chemical to cigarettes.

>>8541440
Actually, I'm in the wrong for implying that you were implying races, when you only thought not that many people smoke. Welp, 1/7 people in america smoke, so it's far from being a minority.

>>8541440
You are a stupid fucking nigger.

At the current time, smokers are a smaller group than the group of population that pays taxes in general. If they just put those programs things on everyone, it would be fair, and not applying to a smaller group of people. Bad choice of words I guess, I'm quite good at English but it is not my first language.

>>8541454
1/7 is right around the african-american population, which is considered a minority of the population.

>>8541183

Are you fucking retarded? Is WILLPOWER not a factor?

>>8541336

So fat people give people jobs because there is more food to be made. How dare fat people make jobs. No one wants them.

>>8541342

Your stupid, Shut the fuck up.

>>8541485
>Today, African Americans make up 14% of the population

># Among whites, 23.5 percent of men and 20.6 percent of women smoke (2008).
># Among blacks, 25.6 percent of men and 17.8 percent of women smoke.
># Among Hispanics, 20.7 percent of men and 10.7 percent of women smoke.

>The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported that 46 million U.S. adults were current smokers in 2008 (the most recent year for which numbers are available). This is 20.6% of all adults (23.1% of men, 18.3% of women) -- about 1 out of 5 people.

20% of the population isn't a minority. And taxing 1/5th of the country because of their bad habit doesn't seem unfair at all.

The government is full of old fat guys. Good luck with that.

>>8541509
Here's a dumbass using "your" instead of "you're" and calling someone else stupid. HAHAHAHA.

>>8540744

>taxing tobacco and alcohol and all sorts of other shit because its unhealthy for you.

Implying that they care about you,
Implying they dont do it for revenue
Implying you wouldnt be the first to clog up the health system when you get sick from this shit.

>>8541510
1/5th does not equal 1/7th.

>>8541522
>implying I wouldn't pay for my medical bills with THE FUCKING HEALTH INSURANCE I PAY FOR YOU STUPID NIGGER.

>>8541497
No, it's not. Because surprise surprise, not alot of people have the willpower to do what's best for them, usually only for what's easiest. The affliction of convenience, the call of the new, it can be extremely hard to resist. As evident from the popularity of unnecessary luxury items (iPhones, the newest car, newest blockbuster movie, for examples).

>>8541523
Nothing gets past you sherlock.

Now how about refuting my statement.

>>8541556
You've done the same shit to me tonight you double nigger.

The whole minority thing shit was a linguistic confusion misunderstanding thing. So I'm going to restate it so it isn't confusing:

Why have a comparatively small group of people paying a larger amount unfairly, when you could have a larger number of people paying a much smaller amount, being more fair? Why should smokers back these programs, and not just everyone?

OP here, going to bed.

>>8541581
Now, define this larger group of people. Are you saying that the population of people that don't smoke should pay a small smoking tax to help pay for the funding of medical advances to help smokers? Because that seems extremely unfair. If people want to smoke, they should pay the sales tax that goes with it. Smoking isn't a necessity, it's a luxury. And you pay for that luxury with the tax.

>>8541603
I'll answer this last one, then off to bed. Posting this to let you know answer inc.

>>8541603
I'm saying that if the government wants all these extra programs, they should get it from everyone and not just from sin taxes.

Tobacco and alcohol should just have normal level taxes going on, not absurdly huge taxes that are worth more than the fucking product is in the first place.

There are many more luxuries, but they aren't taxing them to this absurd level because they aren't unhealthy/"sinful".

What if they had a tax on diamond rings that was higher than its value? Would that be fair? Diamond rings are even more of a luxury than cigarettes and alcohol.

Would it be fair to levvy a tax on all food that is worth more than the food itself? No.

>>8541636
By normal level taxes I mean like the same sales tax that many places put on everything.

>>8541636

well we have a tax on cars that are originally worth more than 75k. This "Luxry car" tax, also increases the prices of some non-luxury vehicles, so it's pretty stupid.

>>8540895
Same here kind of but I'm struggling to get out of habbits as when I went to school I was given money to buy my lunch from the shop. Went into the shops and the cheapest thing they had was Pies and Coke so I fed up on them. I wasn't bad at School, but only in the past few years I've gotten lazier and started to get fat. I know I need to lose weight and I'm no way near as big as some people.

Healthier food needs to be more cheaper and obtainable.

Hating on people for a condition only makes people worse, of all the people you guys should realize this. Maybe in your mind, you think that being insulted and harassed will make you change but thats not true unless you have psychological issues in which case you need to go see somebody.

you guys trying to figure out how the government can take out MORE taxes on us? wtf is wrong with you?