Jobs are overrated anyway.

What is going on is established employees who have been laid off from the workforce are taking all of the lower paid, entry level jobs. They are desperate and will take any work so they can to keep up with their lifestyles.
On paper, who looks better? A 25 year old college grad with a relevant degree or a 45 year old with the same degree but with 20 years experience over the new college grad? This flood of over-qualified workers is allowing employers to hire high quality workers at exceptionally low pay leaving the youth with nothing.
Aside from that, union protected jobs are hiring "in union" workers only and laid off workers first, not giving any new younger workers a chance to start in life.
Experts are saying this trend can leave my entire generation struggling for decades to overcome a bad start in life. Our earning potential can be severely shortened preventing us from making big important purchases like homes, cars and investing in having children. One can easily see how this can effect the rest of the economy for decades to come with low earnings coupled with less investment and buying on behalf of this generation.

>>8293399

Yeah, so's money.

Idiot. Go be countercultural somewhere else.

Personally I spent seven months looking for work after college in a major American city. I sent our hundreds of applications and resumes and went door to door. I wasn't even picky, I was willing to plunge toilets and bag groceries and time and time again I was told the same thing by picky employers "Sorry, you don't have any relevant experience", which considering my resume, was a lie. I have earned less and less every year since being in college: 2007 I earned $11,000; 2008 I earned $10,000; and this year I am looking at a measly $6,000.
I've lost everything and had to move back into my parent's house after being out for 7 years. I feel like I have no future and all I have is a dead end temp job that will never cover my student loans and offers no advancement.

Here's an article on this very subject.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_42/b4151032038302.htm

Anyone else experiencing this? and please no Randriod "BOOTSTRAPS!" bullshit, I've heard enough.
>Randroidblox

Come to central Canada, we have loads of work for those who want to work. If you have a degree, all the better! It'll make your immigration papers easier. Also bring mexican soda, we think its hilarious, so its a quick way to make friends.

>>8293430
Mexican soda? like tamarind?

>>8293400

>On paper, who looks better? A 25 year old college grad with a relevant degree or a 45 year old

25 year old; they will work for far less, and as they won't have a family, they can be pressured to work long hours.

>>8293412
Yeah this is me exactly.
And every interview I go to where it looks really, really promising, I never get a call back. I even call back later and there's no reply or I didn't get hired.

This is copypasta... I've read this before on 4chan, on this particular board too I think. I wonder if it's the same fag posting it again?

>>8293448
not true. that 45 year old is going after the 25 year old's "starter job" and they will work for less. the 25 year old isn't in the middle of a mortgage and the 45 year old can't move back in with his/her parents.
the tables have turned now. it isn't how it "used" to be.

Let me summarize OP's post. The baby boomers fucked us.

>>8293498
Thank you. Exactly. We'll just leech off of them until society collapses at this point.

>>8293377
OP: i've applied to 1000 jobs in 4 years. i graduated may '06. so far, i've worked 5 months total in a relevant job. i've been on unemployment insurance for 18 months.

i just got turned down from a master's program due to lack of relevant work experience also.

>>8293412
From what school did you graduate, and what did you study?

>>8293512
you're fucked like the rest of us. how are we supposed to compete? Isn't an education (like a Masters) supposed to imply training not showing up to work educated/trained?
People are losing their minds. My friend can't get unpaid internships because he "doesn't have enough experience". It's all bullshit.

I've been interviewing a lot of people lately.

I ask a few basic technical questions, and then if they answer correctly, ask for more detail in order to see how deeply they understand the concepts.

This is all I judge people on; if they pass this simple test, I pass them on to more detailed interviews. I am basically an idiot filter.

I have only passed one person, in the past several months. Lots of people had fancy resumes, but couldn't answer the first basic question about how computers work - when applying for a systems administration position.

The question? What happens when you visit a website from home.

Baby boomers have sold our lives and futures to finance their excessive government spending.

Maybe this will encourage more of us to become entrepeneurial, to become creators, not just consumers.

>>8293505

Well, it's not like we have many other choices at this point.

I mean, when you walk into a McDonalds that posted an ad for a job opening and there's 4 other people in there filling out applications, 2 of whom look to be in their late 40's and they're wearing dress clothing, you know shit's not good.

>>8293542
That breaks my anonymous rules, sorry. Besides I don't need you or a bunch of other randroid dicks telling me how superior their degrees are to mine.

A couple of years of this and rioting and protests will kick off.

you shouldnt have majored in cultural studies

>>8293558
Al Gore retrieves the requested pages and shuttles them through the tubes into your home computer.

Government benefits + living at home = win.

>>8293542
UConn, Communications / Polititcal Science. I wanted to work in a newsroom. after applying for all those jobs, i downgraded to graphic design, marketing and advertising. then i started applying to all sorts of crazy shit like "speechwriter" for some CEO and as joseph lieberman's aide in DC. I also started using "writer" and "editor", in my job searches and opned up to PR and human resources. last summer, i got a job mowing lawns, but i got injured after a week and couldn't walk so i went back on the dole.

>>8293558
That type of question is far too vague.

What type of answer are you looking for? Whose point of view do you want: the user/software/hardware/electrical engineer/ISP/server/client/router?

>>8293558
You use a web browser to access a remote server and the data is displayed on your screen through a pretty graphic user interface? is that what you're looking for?

>>8293576
Oh what the fuck ever.

Meh, I see job shortages effecting everyone.

Older workers have a lot of trouble getting a job and keeping it, because the common thought is that they cost more to keep. Step father has not been able to get a job for two years now after losing his last one (for the same reason), despite 35+ years of good solid performance. This includes places like Barnes and Noble, which don't bother asking him what he plans on earning, and just assume that he'll want more than your average high school shit head. Then again, this is in the south, where there just aren't opportunities. :'/

>>8293558
Ya, I usually ask a question like that when I am forced to interview someone.

>>8293613

Everything, in as much detail as they can provide. I keep asking for more detail until they are unable to provide more.

Discussing how 802.11 works is a good sign, as are talking about the differences of IPv4 and IPv6, load balancing, DNS and security,

Basically I'm asking for the full set of details of what happens between typing a URL in a browser, and seeing the returned page. EVERYTHING.

1) Move to Somalia
2) Join pirates
3) ???
4) Profit!

>>8293498
They are epic trolls. They fucked the WW2 generation by destroying their retirement savings and now they'll fuck the youngun's by takin their jobs.

You kids are fucked, no doubt about it.

>>8293613
As an employer, he's looking to be as sadistic and bizarre as possible. That's my experience with interviews at this point. He wants the most qualified, submissive and terrified applicant possible and he gets his rocks off making people beg in a Charles Dickinson manner.

>>8293635
You, sir, have someone who loves you very much right now.

>>8293576
entrepreneurs don't create anything. they find a niche they can exploit, suck it dry, and pull out.

>>8293684
I'm just fucking tired of being told that being poor will make me Thomas Edison.

>>8293558
Your browser makes a DNS request (through your OS), the OS contacts your nameserver, which either gives you the A record from cache or does a recursive lookup, first hitting the root nameservers, then the tld nameservers, then the domain's authoritative nameservers.
Once your browser has an IP address it opens a connection to the remote server on port 80 (for HTTP) or port 443 (for https), the source port is of course a random port above 1024.
Your browser then makes a GET request (unless you are submitting a form), and since this is the 21st Century it's HTTP 1.1 so it looks like
GET / HTTP/1.1
Host: domain.com

It might have other stuff for cookies and what not.
If the page is found the server returns a status 200 and the content.
Your browser parses the HTML, opens separate connections for any referenced media (css, images, js, etc).
Your browser then renders the page so you can view your porn.

>>8293721
they create jobs, you fucking twit.

>>8293723
Maybe not you, but someone else. The collective can still benefit.

>>8293742
me again, I forgot to mention I'm a Linux Admin :)

floodblox

>>8293665
why the fuck would a sysadmin need to know 802.11x?

my brother has had 40 something jobs in the last few years in Oregon, with some of the highest unemployment rates in the country. he never shuts up about that fact, so here's what he said that's relevant to everyone that needs a job:

1) Lie on resumes. If you're not going to college, just say you are. If they ask, just say you are taking online classes.
2) Appear to have no better options. If you have a Masters and you're applying for a line cook job, you're doing it wrong. Look who works these jobs normally - people that NEED this job. That means they will never leave after a couple months of training.
3) A lot of people don't tell you the real reason you aren't getting fired. Discrimination lawsuits cost real money. So, they find a flaw in your resume and tell you to fuck off because you don't have experience.
4) Get entry level jobs to get better jobs. If you are working at a gas station, get a job at a supermarket. Once you have some skills, you can put that on your resume and be able to back it up.
5) Craigslist yourself. If you have a car/truck, you can help people move for dirt-cheap (especially in cities). My brother would find odd jobs to get by in the slow months.

>>8293751
Please. Just shut the fuck up. There is something called entropy. It's a fancy way of saying that bad shit happens that can't be fixed ever no matter what.
Shoganai, nigger.

>>8293723
or that being an entrepreneur has anything to do with inventing anything. Randroid morons like the fuck who suggested what you replied to just believe that you can make something out of nothing if you're not lazy. the degree to which this is bullshit is not discussable. it's like grahm's number -- you just can't describe it directly.

i've spent WEEKS drawing up products and business plans and realizing again and again that i simply don't have access to the money. I tried marketing my skills as a writer. i tried every way i could think of to make money without having a job, and all of them failed on the ground floor. this isn't a coincidence either. value is controlled by people who have it. there's a reason i can't go build a log cabin and farm what i need to live - someone would tax me. someone owns the land and i'd get sued and arrested for using it. everything belongs to someone, even markets for work.

there are people who get this and people who don't.

>>8293742

And that is a decent beginning to the answer, and what I would hope to hear.

I'd probably start digging to make sure you understand how TCP/IP works, how sockets are opened, the differences between TCP and UDP by discussing the DNS lookups, anycast routing by asking how the DNS root servers are homed, etc

But at this point, things would be looking good.

Yeah, it's a shitty state of affairs at the moment. I'm looking at getting out of the digital arts field and probably enlisting in the Army as either active duty or National Guard. I graduated in 2008 and have applied to many companies with no luck. Worked briefly as a contractor getting out of college, but lost it around the time of the economic meltdown.

I figure with the Army, I'd rather have steady employment, get trained, and receive health and education benefits (which I can use to pursue a masters degree in a subject).

>>8293856
essentially things that no sysadmin will ever need to know

great

>>8293797
No such thing as 802.11x

>>8293892

Nope - the things you need to make sure they know at such a low level that they are instinctive.

>>8293878
That's the trap of the Army. People are desperate and they'll send you to Iraq and Afghanistan and ruin you for life.

>>8293828
Man I am seriously considering finding a commune and fucking off from civilization. I don't think I could conscientiously bring children into this world.

>>8293905

I don't really care at this point, we're all going to die at one point or another.

>>8293926

By 'ruin' he means 'scarred for life, mutilated in mind as wel las body'

shit sucks, but i have a phat trust fund so i dont really have to worry

>>8293940
nice! can i borrow some cash?

>>8293898
i take it you dont know what 5x00 meant either then

>>8293936

That's very true, however, it depends on what your MOS is. Go combat, and you increase your risks of injury or death obviously. However, there are plenty of occupations where you wouldn't be put in harms way.

>>8293892
see
>>8293682
sadism.

It feels like a third world situation.

When I was a kid, all everyone said was go to college and that's your meal ticket. Everyone took that advice, now it's expected if the job makes even enough to live alone that you have a 4 year degree when doing that without lots of scholarships and government dole will land you in debt for your entire life.

This is exactly what I didn't want. I remember my parents arguing all the damn time about money, one of the reasons they divorced like fifty percent of Americans. I wanted, want, to free from financial shackles at least enough so I don't have to worry if I have to go to the hospital.

Debt collectors ringing my phone every hour during the day, living at moms house with my sister who actually just got a job after about six months of unemployment with no dole, and my 10k loan just defaulted for 13k.

Even though its this bad I don't even feel like I deserve to complain because my mom makes enough so we can live reasonably well.

>>8293828
Shitty times like these increase the chance that for every dozen, hundred, or even thousand like you, there may rise someone with the resourcefulness, ingenuity, and work ethic to make magic happen. It's often said that many (over half?) of the Fortune 500 companies were born in recessions.

>>8294067

>When I was a kid, all everyone said was go to college and that's your meal ticket. Everyone took that advice

Yeah, then the kicker, "LOL, YOU NEED WORK EXPERIENCE IN YOUR FIELD AS WELL" after seeing most entry level positions already filled.

>>8294074
those companies are created from mergers. it's just the rich gobbling each other up when times are bad. it has nothing to do with actually creating shit, it's just the rich getting richer.

>>8293498

Yes, the baby boomers have fucked us all, wait until they hit retirement and start dieing imagine the gigantic employee shortage and skill gap

How about this: Go to the library and get a book on small engine repair, appliance repair, electronics repair etc. Then, go find damaged goods which you the fix and resell. Not huge money, but it will pay the bills if you do it right.

>>8294124
how are young people supposed to ever work if every job requires experience? it's a paradox and it's cruel.

>>8294067
>When I was a kid, all everyone said was go to college and that's your meal ticket. Everyone took that advice, now it's expected if the job makes even enough to live alone that you have a 4 year degree when doing that without lots of scholarships and government dole will land you in debt for your entire life.

THIS THIS THIS

Me and my friend were talking about this the other day. I remember them singing this sweet lie into our heads. I remember working hard in school so I could live better than my family. Those fuckers lied.

>>8294147
yall niggers should have taken internships in college

Silly Americans maybe when you go to school you should have learned something useful (meaning there actually being a demand and they needs workers)

Actually the life insurance industry is always hiring.

>>8294142
so people suddenly have the time to pretend to be preteens with erector sets while desperately looking for jobs? Nothing is sadder than trying to sell garbage no one wants to buy.

College of decades ago == all the training and education you needed to be hired for a job.

College of today == no training, forced education (required core classes that are fucking, truly irrelevant to your field of study/desired work industry), equivalent of a high school diploma with the over-saturated, hyper inflated education system of college graduates

>>8294179
Why? and for what?

>>8294074
horatio alger myth

Its true that some people do gain success via hard work and fucking people over, but its a combination of natural skills and talents with the job they choose to do. Key here is some. Everyone wants to be that 'some', but thats economically impossible. The American Dream thrives on economic impossibility, no matter how much money you have it will never be enough.

Now, these times are practically Great Depression levels and this is true when things are damn good in the economy. Its a magic economic spiral that is entirely impossible to keep up on a national scale.

>>8294192

Pretty much, it's a huge pile of shit.

>>8294136

Oh yeah. In about 15 years, there's going to be shitloads of jobs opening up.

We could be the next greatest generation.

>>8294229
In 15 years those baby boomers will have killed the market since they are forced to pull a certain amount of money out of their retirement accounts.

>>8294190
Hey I do, and guess what, shit sells. Try using craigslist once in a while, and go choke on a dick.

>>8294229

OMG U FAGET WTF MAAANN

>>8294190
waaah nobody wanna buy mah compooterz ;_;

jobs_wozniak.jpg

>>8294159
internships no longer lead to jobs. it's just free labor for companies. that's why they like post-college people desperate for experience and won't question taking no income for a lot of very hard shit work.

So have baby boomers REALLY ruined everything?
I only have a very vague understandong of economics.
I'm also unemployed right now.

>>8294199
Gotta have salesmen. It is fairly transient field; they are letting agents go and hiring more all the time. It is easy to set appointments as well.

>>8294256
Yes, they've fucked us good and hard. They are probably the most selfish generation yet.

>>8294256
I'll sum it up quickly..

The Greatest Generation (lived through hell with The Great Depression and World War 2) didn't want to see their children go through the shit they went through, so they gave them everything they wanted, let them do whatever the fuck they want, just so they could be happy and not experience the shit their parents went through.. thus, the Baby Boomers developed attitudes of "I better get what I DESERVE." They are the most selfish generation spawned in the US. Who has the highest divorce rates? Who participated in all the great plunderings of the U.S. economy with ponzi schemes like Madoff or other CEOs of mega corporations? All Baby Boomers.

They're fucking assholes. And this isn't just an attitude of OH MAN I'M SO EDGY, FUCK OLDER PEOPLE! No, this is a concerned attitude of "Holy fuck, these selfish fucks are screwing me over."

>>8294229
you actually think that after 15 years of being unemployed/under-employed out of our field with no skilled work behind us we're going to be able to suddenly find success? you don't think the younger generations behind us will just step over our rotting corpses at that point? it's called a "lost generation" and we are it.

>>8294307
Every single generation has thought the same thing about the preceding one. The problem isn't baby boomers. The problem is capital.

I'm really surprised no one is blaming Alan Greenspan, the man who saw the growth of the housing bubble and did NOTHING to deflate it.

Maestro my ass.

>>8294256
There's a billion reasons why the job market is fucked right now, baby boomers are a big one but honestly in about 10-15 years you're going to see a bunch of hispanics doing everything that they did.

I don't see how anti-racism will last when soon the majority is going to be hispanics. America has pretty much been in the christian death grip since inception, so it will be fun to see some real immigrants for a change fucking shit up.

>>8294307
Yup, and now they've sold us out by leaving us with record amounts of debt and an economy that could see 9-10% unemployment for years.

>>8294256

Not deliberately, no. They can't really help it, they've basically just grabbed a monopoly on the job market. When they die off, a lot of positions will hopefully open up and we might finally be able to start picking up the pieces.

Generally though, this generation as a whole needs to bring the population down.

Our problem is that there's too many overqualified people and not enough businesses to employ them all.

>>8294307
they aren't just screwing us over, they have destroyed the future of this nation and every generation to come.

>>8294321
not all things are relative you new age hippie fuck.

I'm 21 now, working at Wal-Mart. Making 8.10$. I was unemployed for about 7 months, and ran up about 2,000 in credit card debt because I was out everyday looking for jobs. Food, gas, oil change, new tires I needed. I'm having a hard as hell time getting out of debt because everything always breaks when it looks like I'm gonna be free and then I have to run up the bills again to fix my car, or my computer, or my furnace.

When I was 15, I had three jobs. Worked maintenance at a marina, then went to a pizza shop to work there, and on the weekends I cut lawns.

The pizza shop closed because of bankruptcy. The neighbors couldn't afford to pay someone to cut their lawns anymore, and I moved away from the marina job when I went to college.

Since then my employment has been far apart and few between. All my jobs were seasonal or I'd get let go because they couldn't afford to keep me on.

I'm not even at a sophomore level in college right now because I had to keep not taking classes because I couldn't afford it, and I needed to work.

Feels bad man.

we could all do a mass suicide

Well I am getting laid off this summer. I am 1000 times more qualified than all the other employees (they got hired when there were no standards or requirements other than a pulse) But two years ago was the last time they hired people, and I was part of that group, thus they are firing based on seniority alone.

>>8294361
Lost Generation: "BAWWWW WWI was a scam perpetrated by our elders. Brb writing Ulysses"
Greatest Generation: "BAWWWW Great Depression and WWII was a racket perpetrated by our elders. Brb getting a job"
Boomers: "BAWWWWWWW Vietnam was a gyp perpetrated by our elders. Brb rockin out."
Gen X: "BAWWWWW our crisis is a lack of crisis. This is old people's fault. Brb grunge."
Millenials: "BAWWWWWW Iraq is a cruel deception perpetrated by our elders. Brb facebook"

>>8294397
They would win then. If we stick around, we'll destroy the baby boomers retirement and they will suffer harder and longer. fuck them.

1) Watch Breaking Bad
2) Make meth
3) ???
4) Profit!

>>8293377

LOL @ kids stuck with student debt and couldn't get a job.

I knew the cookie cutter life was a scam, that's why I didn't go to college and now I'm making 10k a year in COMPLETE AND UTTER PASSIVE INCOME.

Doesn't sound like much but I live in Asia. Doctors only make less then 4K USD a year in Asia.

>>8294443

Gold farming?

Our Great War's a spiritual war. Our Great Depression is our lives.

Someone once said that "The problem with making an honest buck is that the market is saturated, everyone is already doing it."

The solution is being a criminal, it's worked out pretty good so far.

Go to school if you want to become: doctor, lawyer or teacher.

For everything else, lie on your fucking resume :D

>>8294543

Until one day you land in jail. Happened to Conrad Black, might happen to you!

Try to live below your means and lay off the fucking Mc Mansion, SUV, and 2.5 kids.

>>8294560
please dont lie about being an engineer for the sake of humanity. If you finished high school with decent grades (taking honors classes) your good enough to be a teacher IMO.

Stop buying magazines, newspaper, books, CDs, DVDs, lattes, netflix, and other frilivious spendings.

Live below your means, so you don't have to work so hard.

>>8294588
Oh sorry, I didn't realize the majority of jobless 22 year old college graduates had an SUV, a mansion, and 2.5 kids.

>>8294443

How do I made passive income?

>>8294618

You will, once you climb the corporate ladder.

If you get a job, haha.

>>8294577
And until then I make 75k a year without even working up to my ceiling, completely tax free.

Not to mention making money off the money I've invested.

So yeah. Works for me. The threat of doing a dime or two ain't that bad.

>>8294637

You grow stuff. Good job my man! :D

>>8293828
>>8293828
>>8293828
explain and tell me your attempts at creating shit
I tried this too..
I don't have the funds or the resources to do shit

>>8294636
At first I thought you were an asshole, but now I see you're just brainless.

>>8294629

Have a system set in place. Or -- google "bootstrap business"

Fuck renting an office, or registering a LLC or those bull shit.

I have a Master's degree in biomedical engineering and have applied for at least 200 jobs over the past year, still unemployed

>>8294629
Set up a cardboard box fort on a sidewalk of a crowded shopping plaza. Cut a hole large enough for your penis to slide through. Make a sign that says "$1 to suck." Seal yourself in, kick back, and relax. Watch the money pile up.

I'm afraid about getting a job as a teacher when I graduate. I live in Illinois, and there's been thousands of teachers and school faculty sent packing in the past few months. Who knows if it will get any better within the next three years? I'll probably have to go out of state to find a job.

>>8294661

Yeah yeah, have fun working at Starbucks while I chill out and dick around on the computer 3 hours a week and make more monies then you.

>>8294682

Then go out of state and get a teaching job. Good luck!

>>8294588
excellent advice for the next generation after the baby boomers made out like bandits. just tell us:
"Don't start a family, buy a shitty used car, forget about owning a house and keep your head down"

>>8294686
>trolling to feel better about having no job

I feel you man.

>>8294675

I laughed, hahaha.

Oh god, the mental imaginary.

>>8294637
a dime or two? like 10-20 years? are you out of your mind?

>>8294704

True, never had a job for 3 years. LOL. But vacationed in Asia for 12+ months, gambled everyday and dicked around. Feels good man.

>>8294696

I feel you man. Fuck the baby boomers, I'm going to tip their electric scooters -- while they're sitting on them.

>>8294669
im doing mechanical engineering, people tell me to forget about doing the masters, because ill be over qualified for most jobs and never hired.

>>8294675
no one charges for a glory hole. it's like buying air.

>>8294720
Time sentenced is very, very rarely time served.

>>8293595
Y'know, everytime someone mentions rioting, the first thing I think of is where. Its not like all of the us young people (18 - 29) all live within a 20 mile radius of each other. Which now that I think about it, that might be pretty awesome to try to get away from the older generations' machinations and influence and set up our own sort of community

>>8294669

Ever considered working at Starbucks, Indigo, or other failed jobs?

Bio major here.

So far, I'm only volunteering at an NYU lab, but I got my foot in the door. When I get my Bachelors, they'll hopefully start paying me.

Problem is, I'm probably getting kicked out of the college that I'm going to, thanks to the incompetent bureaucratic jackasses that work there, not to mention the fact that I already owe $10k in student loans.

It's a fucking vicious cycle.

Go to school -> get into debt -> work job to pay it off

Have fun being a wage slave / serf.

>>8294637
>>8294637
hate when richfag anons don't explain

So what do you do>?

>>8294780

>they'll hopefully start paying me.

Why do that when they can get free labor fucking you over and stringing you along? Someone told me about working at a lab like you and they made every excuse not to hire him for two years. He was afraid of quitting because then not working and staying busy would prevent him from POSSIBLY getting another job. It's all a lie to manipulate you.

Basically put it this way
People got jobs 20-30 years ago, with no problem, and little qualification. Now the standards are much higher, chances are those people hired 20-30 years ago are now your boss, making triple your salary, OR you dont have a job even though you are more qualified than them. We have a much harder time than people before us, and maybe they should show some respect atleast

>>8294805
2 questions......

1.Is that your fucking room? lol
2.What exactly do you do.

>>8294823

Because it's Russian immigrants helping out other Russian immigrants. Besides, I personally know the guy. And I've already worked there for a year, and to be honest- I'm still somewhat underqualified for the job.

I mean, sure, I can do all the procedures and explain them, but if I'd be faced with a crisis, like say, the cells started differentiating, I'd be like "Uhhhh... I dunno. Dump the batch and start over?" Well, technically that's the proper procedure, but theoretically speaking I should have a better understanding of the shit I do.

But it doesn't matter, because I can put down on my resume that I already worked in a lab.

>>8294816
This.

myjobbloxsdfsfsdffge

>>8294805

Bro that room looks a little dangerous with the water leakage. Are you sure there ain't mold on the other side of that wall?

Just don't pay back your loans.Let this shit collapse completely. Only a matter of time now. Might as well contribute to it happening sooner rather than later.

Put it this way: you're making the jews banker rich through interest because you're been tricked, duped, and scammed into attending college.

>>8294857

Don't worry bro my wall papers cover up the molds.

>>8293595
Americans/Young people are too apathetic to care. They are unorganized and do not have the funds. The internet can help, but the US has a fucking vicegrip on its citizens.
No way you can do any of this shit

>>8294879

That's not how it works. Mold is toxic, just to let you know brotato chip. I'm sure Asia has poor health standards, but you have to know that's not safe.

>>8294827
once incompetent people are in, they don't like to hire talented people. they keep their position and hire other unqualified workers they can control and berate. the whole system is like this now.

>>1.Is that your fucking room? lol

Nah, found it on /g/

>> 2.What exactly do you do.

Sell stuff. Legally. On the Internet.

>>8294858
>>8294870

Fun fact: In order to get a job with a real degree (i.e. the sciences, mathematics, engineering, computers), you need that degree. If you don't have a degree, you don't get a job. Not paying your loans=no degree.

>>8294854
I've honestly thought about it.
I could do it, and get away with it.

Downside is I live with my parents, where the fuck could I grow and how can I make a mini 6 plan set up?

besides, in ca, this shit will get legal soon and all my profit poofs.

How can I plant somewhere/in secret or something?

>>8294805

Christ, that's a depressing image.

I might download the 4chan extension just so I can put posts by 2020 on ignore.

>>8294888

Molds are rarely toxic, or if there's alot of it.

Source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mold_health_issues#Health_issues_and_symptoms

>>8294897
not true, once you get your degree there is nothing they can do to take the qualification away. you can default on your loans and you still have a degree.

>>8294917

Go ahead you butt hurt faggot. I hit a soft spot on you, didn't I.

>>8294897
I already have an engineering degree :). They can't do much to me except ruin my credit score. It's not like I'm gonna buy a house or a car while unemployed lol so it's not a problem.

Everything just seems so insignificant for the most part. I look at myself as just a speck in the universe and nothing more. So easy just to sit on my ass on the internet all day, watching movies and playing games.

>>8294926

Well, yes. I might end up doing that. I mean, I'll have to pay cash for everything, but in a way, that can be a good thing.

>>8294805

>> Expensive figurines
>> Fairly decent computers
>> High speed internet
>> Moldy basement with leaking pipes
>> What the fuck am I looking

I have like... barely $4000 debt from 1 year of college. I'd say that's pretty good. Especially you Americans, paying... what, $20,000 a year in tuition? Ridiculous.

>>8294946

If you're content where you're at now then you're fine. Simple.

>>8294805

This is pretty much how I imagine every basement dweller's set up to look like.

>>8294903
I'm a califag too, and I will shit a brick if it goes legal.

But then I suppose I could open up a pot cafe and make up the difference by fucking tourists over.

>>8294946

You suffer from a common problem. I recommend "Buddhism isn't what you think" by Steven Hagen.

It's not religious but well thought out and down to earth. It will solve your problem, I promise you.

>>8294981

He's missing a LCD TV. not baller status yet.

>>8295002

Thanks, I'll look into it. I'm 23, and I feel pretty disillusioned like a lot of people here after remaining unemployed.

>>8295016
you must have a massive ass to be able to fit your gargantuan head in there.

>>8294805
FYI faggots, the walls in this picture aren't moldy. The white shit on the walls are minerals that were dissolved in water, leeched through the concrete walls, and then precipitated as the water dried out.

Completely harmless. But it shows that the basement walls aren't properly sealed to keep water out. Which makes it a bad idea to keep your computer in it.

>>8294934
Oh, no not at all. I just find your writing style annoying.

More battle stations baby!

>>8295098

Explain. Is it the excessive profane language, grammar technicalities, or ...?

I work a shit dead end job in fast food. On a Union waiting list for the next year. Military is my last resort. I'm gonna look into Navy shipping, truck driving, firefighting or military policing, I haven't decided yet. Military may not pay much but you can advance, and immediately out of Boot become an officer if you are a college grad. Navy, Coast Guard and Air force are for the moment noncombat. Also when you get out (from what I've heard) you get priority for hiring and promotions.

I have a friend who worked at a Museum for five years and lost a promotion to manager to an ex-military man (not-vet) who had only been there for one year and who was two years younger than him.

If you aren't a pussy like me and wouldn't mind combat; when your military service is up you can get crazy amounts of money as a military contractor for a PMC.

>>8295123
Not something you can easily put your finger on.

My dad was made redundant from ICL/Fujitsu in the early 2000's - and he's a seriously qualified man, working in R&D on various microchips.

Since then he's had several jobs, all paying far, far less that what he earned in his old career, and while still in the same field, he's essentially been doing the kind of work he was doing in his 20's.

Meanwhile, I can't get a job doing anything other than dead-end shit that any retard could do, because all of the mid and entry level jobs are taken by people with decades of experience under my belt.

Looking at job ads, there isn't a damn thing that doesn't ask for 5 years of experience in that line of work MINIMUM.

It's a catch 22: Can't get a job, need experience. Can't get experience, need a job.

>>8295146

Admit it; I made a comment and you're butt hurt. Now go away.

>>8295125

That's one of the reasons I'm considering the military: I don't want to work a dead end job just to barely sustain myself and hope that I eventually hear back from companies I apply to in my field. I feel as though it'd be an endless cycle while doing shit tier work.

I wouldn't mind a combat MOS (looking at Army), just trying to think of what specifically. At the moment, looking at Infantry, Cavalry Scout, although I'd really like to get into something more along the lines of Civil Affairs or Psy Ops. I hear those are pretty much closed and only open for those who are at least Sergeants.

>>8295171
Maybe he doesn't like your pretentious attitude despite the fact that you can't spell "a lot" or use a semicolon properly.

>>8295194

Nigger please; I don't pretend anything or self righteous.

These times, you really have to think outside of the box and take whatever jobs you can get.

Learn to minimize spending and live below your means. A lot of people do not truly realize yet how bad things are.

I have a 2 years degree right now and going to college for an engineering degree or a chemistry degree because as hard as it is to find a job with a BS and no work experience, it's even worse if you don't have a BS.

The best advice I can give you is, if you don't foresee your situation getting any better, prepare for the worse.
Buy gun, some ammo, good shoes, durable clothings for living on the street in the coming years, things you know you'll need.

It's getting bad, but sitting around and hoping the situation would get better doesn't mean it ever will. One thing I've learned about life is that it's merciless. I once saw a homeless man begging for food on the street. Both of his arms were decapitated and his eye sockets were empty.

Life is cruel and because many of us were sheltered our whole lives by society, we never stop to think the possibility of starving to death on the street. Government assistant won't always be around.

In the end, we're still playing the game of natural selection. Being human doesn't mean we're above it.

>>8295211
Thanks for proving my point.

>Both of his arms were decapitated
severed
decapitate only applies to heads

If you'll excuse me I'll go ride the nearest unicorn to grammarnazistan.

> I will buy a new laptop in 2020 !HQFYLTpGvo

Jesus fuck, dude, could you post some more in this thread?


Also: I have nothing of real substance to contribute to this thread, but I chuckle at the bitterness.

>>8295228

While you're at it, might as well learn how to live in a car or van, small game hunting, fishing and out door survival. Not to mention first AIDS, solar oven cooking, and making a impromptu shelter (AKA, hole in the ground)

I work as a dishwasher, only got the job because my mom knew all the managers. I make minimum wage and work less than part time, and I'm still content.

My friends tell me that my job sucks (it's my first), and that I should quit, try to find one where I get let out on time, etc. But I could care less, because unlike those slacker fucks, I'm actually holding down a job.

I find that a lot more of my peers fit into the "slacker fuck" category. Makes me wonder if it might be our fault as a whole.

>>8295274
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSMeUPFjQHc#t=20s

Have fun.

>>8295276

Be quiet nigger, I like typing.

>>8294987
>>8294987
>>8294987
so any ideas on how i can grow?
also good tutorials to follow?
hope your 75k fag

>>8295292
>calling me a nigger
Double nigger.

Fuck, I'm glad I got my degree in CS. I was offered a job while still in school from a company I interned with.

Eurofag btw. Is the situation described here applicable to the US only, or Europe as well?

Graduated with a degree in CS 9 months ago and walked straight into a job as a software engineer.

It's not that hard to find a job, bro.

>>8295280
There's a limit, and I tend to keep it realistic. Most people won't be playing survivorman in the woods.

But there may be a day when our parents can no longer support us and we're drifting on the street, freezing our ass off and some guy is mugging, beating us, some would dearly wished they had bought that gun when they still can.

Stop spending your money on electronic shit, useless clothing and eating out.
Really, it's down to Darwinism. A lot of people who end up having problems, don't do enough to anticipate and handle it in the first place.

>>8295331
Triple nigger. No call back.

>>8295292
>challenger appears
>must be a nigger
>OMG SHUT UP NIGGER

Lawfag here. Just giving you all a heads up: Don't try to wait out the economy in law school, its the best way to get yourself in 150k of debt and still struggle to find a job.

>>8295334
I talked with a friend of mine from germany today.
He's been job hunting for a while and so have I.
I told him how things were here and what people ask for to even consider hiring you as well as which employers were making these demands.

Even he went holy shit, that's fucked up.

Don't care if it's copypasta. Dishwasher person, are you my boyfriend?

I'm unemployed. It sucks. But it's probably because I'm lazy/depressed/unassertive/depressed-as-fuck. I have a Bachelor's degree, but it means fuck.

But really, dishwasher-guy, are you my boyfriend? That would be really funny, if you were.

I'm about to be 24. My best job was a casual-employee-type-administrative-assistant thing at my college. Right after I graduated. It was awesome.

I need to goo to grad school, but am fucking depressed.

no jobs around where I live at all, dropped out of college because I couldn't afford it. i'm fucked

>>8295382

I don't think grad school is going to help, you need to the work experience if anything else. Just keep looking for entry level positions.

>>8295123

It's that you belittle people for trying. It's that you think you've beaten the system. Furthermore, you give no significant information in helping those who might want to venture down the same path as you.

It isn't a better path. It isn't necessarily a more satisfying path. It doesn't lead in a completely opposite direction. It's just different. You are not above others. You are not beyond them.

It can be done without ego, without superiority. You are living and living deliberately, that's fine, but you create opposition when there doesn't need to be any. You talk down when you could be talking eye-to-eye, allaying both the fears some may suspect of your lifestyle as well as the difficulties they may face in pursuing that same lifestyle.

Also you say to stop buying books, and that is just absolutely terrible to encourage.

>>8295382
>>8295382

If you finish grad school, you won't find a job. Don't hope.

>>8295228
Your post gave me a a lot to think about. I'll look into preparing myself for a more bleak future.

>>8295440

Get out of NYC.

>>8295419

Very informative post. *golf clap*

I will try to not belittle people next time, thanks for reminding.

>>8295440
WHAT TEH SHIT FUCK THIS IS NOT HOW THE "BACK" BUTTON IS SUPPOSED TO WORK GODDAMMIT NOT POSTING MODE:REPLY FUCK.

FUCK YOU ROBOT, "PLEASE WAIT LONGER BEFORE DELETING YOUR POST" DAMMIT

SELF-EMPLOYMENT MOTHERFUCKERS

Stop being exploited by employers. Stop waiting around hoping for some shit-tier job to help you out. WORK FOR YOURSELF.

You fags are making me fear my future will be nothing but a constant struggle to survive and probably end up an hero.

>>8295429

Watch the movie, "The Road." That shit will immediately turn off any fantasies of living in a devastated, post-apocalyptic sort of world.

So do you all think this is just because of the recession?

Or does our generation face a fundamentally different job market in a new age of global competition?

>>8295476

Mixture of both, the recession certainly doesn't help.

>>8295461
Yeah, I read the book. I would kill myself rather than ending up as livestock for road gangs.

>>8295459
Because that is what it will be. Sucks that it took you this long to realize that.

>>8295502
Then why not just cut out the middleman and kill myself now?

>>8295491

Likewise. Everyone wishes it would be something like Fallout 3. I'd rather put a bullet in my head than try to live in The Road's world.

I feel the urge to start up a commune with other unemployed youths but there is no unclaimed land and of course the government will not take kindly to it.

Just got back from first week temp job working 1/3 of minimum wage in the roof of a rat infested warehouse. I have a bachelor's.

>>8295521

There probably is, just need to be creative in finding some.

>>8295419
You tried, Brometheus. But in reality, this is 4chan. Its filled with faggots like
>I will buy a new laptop in 2020 !HQFYLTpGvo
Take comfort in the fact that he's obviously overcompensating for something with his "writing".

lololol

I got a job as a software engineer at the age of 20 working for a startup for the same income bracket as my peers with their 4 year degrees.. but I didn't fall into the debt trap that they did, never got the damn degree, don't plan to.

I've been working for the same company now for 3 years, our growth is monumental and we are days away from being profitable and/or acquisition... I have received a pay raise once every year consistently + stock options.

I could be a jerk and say that I just scooted into the position before everything went to shit, but the reality of the matter is I am just that fucking good at what I do (code wise and networking wise)

fuckas, what now?

>>8295476

Living standards have been going down since before most of us were born. Forty years ago, a middle-class household with 2+ children could live comfortably one only one income. That income came from a job that usually required nothing more than a high school diploma, and your employer would keep you employed with the company for many decades until you retired with a pension. Additionally, health care costs were reasonable, affordable, and probably wouldn't bankrupt you.

If you do well in school, then you go immediately to Grad and get picked up by the high end of your field. Don't bitch that you can't get a job because you got through college on a "C's get degrees" mentality, drinking every weekend.

I came from a lower middle class, working class, background. I did community college until I got a credit score to get me into a state school. Then I continued to work like a motherfucker to prove myself. Graduated summa cum laude, was paid to go to Grad, and have recently embarked on a prosperous future.

I have so many friends that bitch like all of you. It's true that the baby boomers fucked us, and its true that times are awful and that they're only going to get worse. But, the fact is you could stand head and shoulders above the flood waters if you weren't a little shithead in your undergrad.

>>8295511
You are afraid of death? Fuck, IDK what your reason for not an heroing is.

>>8295567
Just what the hell happened?

>>8295427

Yeah, I know. I take your advice to heart. But I really do want at least a Masters, since my goal job requires that kind of certification. I can't really get the kind of experience I need without more certification, though maybe I could try workin for some not-for-profits

>>8295567
I guess we just live in a different world though. It's kind of exciting in a way for those of us who have time to adjust.

>>8295561
How did you get the job?

>>8295585
Massive redistribution of wealth upwards.

>>8295585

- Millions of women entered the workforce en masse and drove down the wages (not being misogynist or trolling; this is honesty true)

- Reagan, NAFTA, outsourcing, bad monetary policy from the Federal Reserve, corporate greed that's protected and encouraged by the government. Can't blame any one political party here because this happened under both the Democrats and Republicans watch.

- Employers started requiring college degrees for jobs that never required them before. Colleges got greedy and jack up the tuition every year. People are forced to go into massive debt just to get working class jobs.

>>8295585
Higher returns to education.

Also, maybe the Easterlin hypothesis.

>>8295632
>- Millions of women entered the workforce en masse and drove down the wages (not being misogynist or trolling; this is honesty true)
Sauceplz.

>>8295585
Women ruined everything as usual. God fucking damn it.

>>8295645
But who let the women have power?

Men are no better.

>>8295572
At my university, the grade system works like this:

top 5% = distinction
next 5% = credit
rest of the people who passed = Pass

I don't have the time to study anywhere near as much as the top 5%, who are mostly trust fund kiddies and haven't worked a day in their life, but take 2 hours a day to study. I can't take 2 hours off to study every day, I have to work my ass off every day to afford living within a reasonable distance to my uni, then I have to pay for my car, bills, food, everything. I maybe have 4 hours of free time total each week, which I use to study with a 15-minute break at the 2-hour mark

The thing that really pisses me off is that the trust-fund kiddies get to glide through university/college with ease, then since they got high grades they get picked up by companies the day after graduation and get to continue their family's tradition of being overpaid assholes. But that's not enough, they have to fucking rub it in your face too. "YOU DRIVE A CAR MADE IN 1995? HAHAHA YOU SUCK AT LIFE GET A JOB!" (and they don't realise the irony) Fuckers. Granted, not all of them are like that, but a great deal are. Fucking assholes.

>>8295447

Thank you.

To those thinking of joining the same path, I implore you, do your research. Homelessness is much, much easier to swallow when you have a proper idea of maintaining tolerable nutrition, sanitation, and shelter.

Research individual state laws on vagrancy. Ask /ck/ for their compilation images on frugal eating. /fit/ too, both are pretty good about their subjects.

Hell, if the opportunity arises, do some day labor, learn a trade. It's hard work, but it is tangible, and more importantly, it is work.

I also have websites bookmarked should you still be interested.

http://guide2homelessness.blogspot.com/ (guy has a bit of a victim complex, but solid information)

http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/vanish.htm (this is really more for runaways from abuse, but good tips if you need to stay low on the radar)

http://survivalrecipes.wordpress.com/2007/09/08/recipes-for-cheap/ (sometimes ingenious, sometimes disgusting, but worthwhile)

http://minnesotahillbilly.wordpress.com/ (if you wanna go full on wilderness, make damn sure you're prepped for it)

http://budgetbytes.blogspot.com/ (more for those with access to multiple kitchen utensils, but nonetheless useful)

http://www.digihitch.com/ (I've not fully researched it, but it seems that there is a lack of illustrating the difficulties one might/will face)

http://www.couchsurfing.org/about.html (valuable to an extent, don't get raped)

One of the fascinating things about people is their extraordinary ability to adapt to hardship.

Don't forget that.

>>8295677
whatisthisidonteven.jpg

>>8295665
>I can't take 2 hours off to study every day,

To be honest, 2 hours a day isn't that much. I can't see having any mastery of your field without it. Maybe take some time off and save up, then give school your all? Or take fewer classes and just take longer? You have options, please don't squander your education.

>>8293430
More on this please. What parts of Canada?
I fucking Love Vancouver, haven't been since I was a kid..
How hard is it to get in? I have a degree in my field.. yet no work experience like the rest of the people in this thread..

I love when people won't hire you because you don't have a car, but in order to buy a car you need money... so you need a job to get a car. But to have that job, you need a car. Coupled with the "prior-work-experience-in-a-field-people-fresh out-of-high-school-can't-possibly-have", it's a wonder anyone ever succeeds.

>>8295707

If an employers asks you if you have a car for a position that doesn't require one for the job, LIE YOUR ASS OFF. They have no way of knowing if own one or not.

ITT: Everyone else knows what you don't, a person who buys a laptop every ten years talks down to you, some IT nerds laugh and troll each other, and the requisite Ayn Rand fans drop by to laugh at you

Nothing useful to read here.

>>8295744
Because there are no secrets to be learned. It's just the reality of the situation. The economy still hasn't fully recovered and our generation faces a tougher job market. There is no way around this. Study hard, get internships, be lucky.

Job Standards have gone up so high it's ridiculous.

My grandfather got the same job I have with a high school education, and I had to get a BS for it.

This coupled with the fact that the entire population will do anything for work or money, means that employers can basically hire people and pay them smaller salaries because it's either very little, or nothing at all.

I don't hate capitalism and getting ahead in life. I just hate the rich who don't invest in the world around them, and just horde their jew-gold forcing the rest of us to fight over the leftover change.

>>8295665

For me it's 3.9 GPA or higher limit to 3% top to get summa
3.75 GPA or higher limit to top 5% to get magna
and 3.5 GPA or higher limit to top 10% to get cum laude

Then there are college honors, departmental distinction, and honors societies.

You have to grit your teeth and pull your hair out when you come from a poor background and try to succeed. There's no virtue in it beyond what you get out of it. In every measurable competition against the rich, you start further back than they do and have to definitively win to make it mean anything.

But if you do put yourself through hell to get the academic honors, it will carry you to higher places guaranteed. It's worth the absolute shit life you live in college to avoid the persistently shit life you'll have afterwards if you don't prove yourself.

>>8295776
I lol'd, you're saying a whole lot of nothing just like everyone else. If I don't work for shit, of course I'm going to get nothing in return. Don't console me with platitudes, my grandma's much better at that than you are.

The only purpose the dialogue of OP's "article" serves is to comfort people. Nothing more, nothing less. It might be more comforting to go jerk off in a corner, and certainly more time efficient than reading through all this crap. Let the thread end.

I haven't worked in 5 years but I just bought a condo dirt cheap in Rancho Penasquitos from a "motivated seller".

I play poker on the internet. I was pretty much in your guys shoes exactly, no work, student loans piling up. In my depression I spent a whole day just playing .25/.5 NL. I had a pretty good run, made a few hundred bucks. Then I realized, holy crap, a few hundred is what I would normally make in a week! If I just had 2 of these days per month I'd cover all my expenses.

It's not like my time was valuable, I was a WoWtard. So I just decided to try it for a week. All the time I was spending on WoW, spend it on poker instead. That week I made $1500. Even the dimmest bulb would figure it out so I did. Never looked back.

06 made about 30k
07 about 75k
08 about 40k
Last year I barely broke 100k but I did it.

For everyone with an IQ over 50 with a lot of time on your hands I dunno why you aren't out there grinding poker.

Damn guys, I don't believe in anything any more, except for multiculturalism, liberalism and globalism of course. Actually we need more of those three, they can only improve our situation.

I work two jobs, 30 and 20 hours, go to school with 19 units.
poorfag
Shit is gay and I'm unmotivated and want to kill myself now

>>8295821
Tips on consistently coming out ahead at online poker?

>>8295821
I've been interested in doing this actually, I already work from home, 4-6 hours a day. make 300-400 a week. Living with parents.. about to turn 21..
Website to do so? now I just need to learn how to play... recommend guides? books?
<3

>>8295821
Pokerstars viral marketing fag detected.

>>8295829

Yeah... I'm going to have to disagree.

>>8295829
Great post try to be more vague

You also need to use more -isms to express your thoughts instead of saying stuff

>>8295840
Read every book you can on the subject.
Play 8 hours a day.
Learn to multitask so you can play 12-24 tables at once. If you play video games, you already have this skill, you just don't know it yet.
Learn to control your emotions so you don't go on tilt (I recommend meditation, it will improve your life away from the tables also).
Talk poker with other people. I moved into a house with some guys I met on the 2+2 forums. That place turned into a grindhouse, just 6 guys who talked poker non-stop, played non-stop and gave each other shit if we didn't win enough. Shame/competitiveness is a great motivator.

>>8295853
If I was anything I would be a Full Tilt shill. Full Tilt rakeback beats PokerStars VIP program until you become a super high volume player. While Stars is better for someone like me who plays 100k hands/month, for people starting out, Stars will screw you.

>>8295864

Any books in particular that you would recommend to a noob?

I used to dress up for interviews after I got my 2 year degree from a city college, hoping to pay the rest of my way for getting my bachelors from a university and not relying solely on financial aid.

But now, after so many interviews and no return calls from any of them, I've just about given up on the job search. My suit is now just hanging in my closet, collecting dust or whatever.

Nothing make you feel less than scum that going to an interview with like 30 other people who are lifetimes more experienced than you who want the job too.

Feels bad, bros.

>>8295585
incremental increases in costs fueled by consistent inflation, the necessity to increase profits/revenue in order to be considered "healthy", monopolization/conglomeration of various corporations, vertical integration (i.e. controlling every part of the supply line), price controls, taxes...

Take your pick.

>>8295906
1st books to read.
Theory of Poker by David Sklansky
Super System 2 by Doyle Brunson (and others)
Internet Texas Hold'Em by Matthew Hilger.

These books are outdated for the games you will be playing. Almost all the action on internet sites or in casinos is NL Hold'Em, which is barely covered in these. This will teach you the nuts and bolts of poker though, the thinking behind risky plays and solid plays and teach you the basic math.

After that start reading more focused material.
Harrington on Hold'Em vol 1. + vol 2. and pieces of vol 3. Good if you play tournaments.
No Limit Holdem: Theory and Practice by David Sklansky and Ed Miller. This is basic reading, probably could be in 1st list, but is concentrated NL HE information.
Small Stakes Hold'Em by Ed Miller. Warning: the concepts in this book are obsolete. This book was designed for a simpler time when the games were easier. The conditions described in this book are rare (at best) in current environments. It's still a good read for theory, but you want to have experience under your belt before you go here.


From here, you could go in one of any number of directions depending on the shape of your game and where you want to go. Personally I think you should read almost everything on the market just to absorb the theory behind it, whether you agree with it or not. Similar to reading books on all sides of the political spectrum just so you know what the other moron is thinking.
But this is a good place to start.

This thread is depressing but the relevance has me thinking about things I should be thinking out.

>>8295956

Thanks for the info. Those are some impressive numbers in terms of how much you made yearly. I have zero interest in poker though or any card games for that matter. Not sure why, just never could get into them.

I work in childcare. All it takes is a clean record check and some experience babysitting cousins or something. I make $21.70 an hour and am getting my masters ao I can become a librarian, which is a union job I can't get fired from unless I fuck up royally. If that doesn't work right away, I can make $27 an hour as a bus driver.I fucking love living in Canada.

seriously? im an 18 year old aus fag, i graduated high school in 08. I started work 3 days after i graduated and for the past 18 months have been working in a full time logistical poistion. I quit my previous job and found a new one within 3 hours the next day, thats from searching, to calling, to interview, to being hired. anyone who cant find a job in this country that is 18 is obviously not looking hard enough. if you really serious about it go and get a license for something like forklifts, i did that when i turned 18 and its basically a license to print money (currently on 1k a week at my new job)

if you want work then look for it, dont sit around complaining because its "too hard"

Work is something you can find if you make enough efforts. It's something you can make happen, unlike looks. I didn't have a problem finding my current job, but even though it pays well, I can't find a woman so I don't enjoy much my life anyway. I barely spend any of the money I earn so I'm saving it up to travel the world someday.

fuuuuck this thread is depressing.

Lol American poverty.

>>8296472

>Implying anyone is talking about Ausfailia

See, you're an uneducated retard. People like you have no trouble getting jobs. Just start working when you're young, graduate highschool and and go do some dopey fluro shit bogan shit.

We're talking about university educated people here, people who may not have the same amount of work experience as you at this point in life. Fucking deadshit.

>>8296037

pic related?

childcareblox

I work in the IT field did not get a degree but worked awful entry level jobs (part time) for a good 3 years till I got the experience I needed. I know lots of people that got degrees that never got to work in their field of choice. Shit sucks and I only see it getting worse. If you really want the job of your dreams you will need to fight for it. I made it through and so can you guys.

I went from $8 in 2002 to $22.00 now.

I already had an AA in 2002 and going back now for a BS in Programming. I worked unloading planes and also retails part time while also doing part time IT work.

Yall niggas wanna start a revolution up in this bitch or somethin?

>>8297332
And fix things how?

The problem is that social mobility has decreased.

A dead end job didn't used to be a dead end job. You might of gone to work on a factory floor and ended up senior management twenty years later and that'd be your career. Everything's too beurocratic and shit these days.

System's keeping us down man etc etc

Live as a gypsy.

Only way to win is not to play.

Unemployment rate for people below 25 is over 25% in my area, it's ridiculous.
Anyway I've been unemployed for over a year now but start working in May. Anyway more than half of my resume is faked. My only hope is I've faked it good enough so they're not going to check it now. Anyway even if they do it doesn't matter. With my real resume I wouldn't even have gotten an interview.

>>8297332
revolutions need money/influence to succeed-other wise its just glorified rioting

depressingthreadblox

I have a degree in both economics and business. Thought I'm gonna be a CEO one day. Well, now I'm a cart pusher at wal part. Most of my co workers are high school dropouts and laugh at me and my debt. America the beautiful.

>>8297537
when you fake resume's only use businesses that are no longer in business as prior employment

>>8297631
This.
Also the shittier the jobs, the less likely they are going to check that out. The art is to find jobs that are shitty, but also got you relevant work experience for the job you want.

>>8297602
two of my aunts and one of my uncles are ceo's of very large companies. did any of the go to college? fuck no. they saved up some money and started businesses.

1. we're in a fucking recession. 10% unemployment, 20% underemployment, what do you fucking expect?
2. a college education does not entitle you to a job

>>8294324
I'm using that book as a mousepad. never read it. not even sure why it's in my house.

>>8297710
>2. a college education does not entitle you to a job

BUT THEY TOLD ME IT DOES. :(

>>8293377
Not just in America, man. I had to move 5000 miles for work.

>>8297729
What they probably told you is that it makes you more likely to get a job, not that it guarantees it.

I blame the baby boomers. I swear to god those greedy faggots are ruining the world and taking everything for themselves. There's 2 fuckers at work over 63 who are still there taking up spots because (in their own words) they really don't have much else to do. Bunch of fucking faggots.

I'm a current business undergrad, so I'm not in your situation, yet, altough I'm probably going to be unemployed the next summer. Unless there is some serious economic growth during the next few years, it's only going to get worse for graduates, as a lot of people turned to complete/ get degrees during the recession, providing the workpool with even more skilled labour, while the major age groups still remain employed.

However, altough the situation for graduates is way more frustating, I think the vast majority of the unemployed people in our age group are the uneducated, somewhat lazy and immature people who are unable to take any responsibility of their life, or as the english call them, "chavs".

Anyway, my own plan B is to go back to the army, this time hopefully as a peacekeeper or if things are really, catastrophically shit, go to military academy and start a career there (altough an hero might be a better alternative in that case).

The key thing is avoiding debt like a plague, I recommend that you don't take any debt except maybe for your studies. Being debt-free makes being unemployed so much easier and gives you a lot of freedom.

Besides the last point, I have been investing pretty much anything I have left over into shares. I've been reading a little about it since I started again last autumn and have been pretty successful with the few k's I have invested (+35% in 6m). The stock market has, for a long time, been an excellent way for acquiring financial freedom.

Don't freak out you faggots, a company will prefer a TRAINABLE, CHEAP, ENERGETIC and HUNGRY young workforce over old expensive faggots who feel they are entitled to everything

Oh fuck this, there's not a way in fuck I'm picking up the "tab" for this fuckup.

Time to sell drugs ;_;

>>8297513
More like: if you don't play, you can't lose.

>>8298259
>if you don't play, you can't lose.
Pic related, you reminded me of it.

Itt; we're all gonna be living out of a Gibson novel.

Brb loading my .45

What do you expect with an economy like this? What do you expect when all jobs require a piece of paper?