Fake and gay.

YEAH YOU LIT HIM UP

>incoming butthurt eurofags and 15 year olds in their McMansions

>>8236375

Not fake and gay.

http://www.wikileaks.com/

>>8236375
It's most definitely not fake, but whether or not it is gay is debatable.

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Well the cameras did look like guns from up there.

Very related and just posted an hour ago:

http://www.youtube.com/user/sunshinepress#p/a/u/0/BflAj2txMVQ

The children from the attack are being interviewed.

Military personnel are retarded, trigger-happy redneck rapists? I find this fact appalling!

nobody fucking cares, stop posting this shit on every board you fucking faggot.

Derp. We got sum wounded kids down here.

"Well, that's their fault for bringing their kids to a battle."

Never mind the fact that you're firing into civilian houses.

That guy did have an RPG.

I like Kyle's voice.

Well the cameras can easily be identified with context, but without that the slings could have easily been gun slings. But I definitely saw that RPG on the ground.

The shooting the wounded stuff is inexcusable though.

>>8236431

Which is exactly why drones and gunships are irreprehensibly terrible ways to conduct war.

>>8236459
Why the fuck would you bring your kids in an unmarked van to pick up the recent dead of suspected insurgents?

>>8236366

Wait wait wait, so let me get this straight, are you telling me that sometimes bad people do bad things?

Holy shit, stop the goddamn presses gentlemen.

>>8236487

He was on his way to school with his kids (this is a residential area, think about your neighborhood), and they did not know there were any Americans around. He saw a man dying on the road and nobody else around, so he picked him up to bring him to the hospital.

>>8236498

No, people do bad things all the time, but they should be brought to justice, right? So spreading these kinds of videos might actually shed some light on the fact that people are doing inexcusable things with no repercussion all the time over there.

>>8236473

Which is exactly why suicide bombers in civilian crowds and IED's are irreprehensibly terrible ways to conduct war.


just sayin'

>>8236473
"Irreprehensibly" means forgivably. Did you mean forgivably?

>>8236473

Haha no they aren't.

Who gives a fuck if some civilians die that isn't our problem, as long as it increases efficiency and minimizes troop losses it's a good idea.

>>8236515

So, in effect, you are saying we are taking the low road traveled by the terrorist extremists? Just saying...

HEY LOOK AT ME IM AN IRAQI, THERE ARE TWO APACHE HELICOPTERS AND A BUNCH OF DEAD GUYS. I BETTER GO CHECK IT OUT AND LOOK SUSPICIOUS. HURPA-DURPA-DOO

>>8236506
Yep. The sandnigs actually take care of eachother, unlike we do. And if those pilots couldn't tell a camera from an rpg using million dollar optics, they're fucking incompetent.

>>8236487

...you live there and you need to watch your kids?

>>8236506
>they did not know there were any Americans around.

Like the gunship that had just fired 4k rounds? Or the patrol that was a couple of blocks away?

Also, where did it say he was taking his kids to school? Not an aggressive question, I just want to see.

>>8236526

I'm saying that the less direct contact our troops need to have with people who see no problem with killing and maiming tens of their own countrymen to kill one or two American or foreign soldiers, the better.

>>8236542

see

>>8236439

It explains it. These kids, and probably half the kids in that man's family, and probably several of their friends are all going to, at the very best, hate America with a fiery passion, and at worst, become a terrorist.

gg America

THOSE AMERICANS ARE WORSE THAN HITLER, WE SHOULD ADD THEM TO THE AXIS OF EVIL

>>8236584
They say they were being driven to special classes.

I dunno man, that seems really vague.

>>8236465
I totally thought of Cartman at that moment.
Goddamnit Kyle, stop being such a jew.

>>8236616
they were being trained to do suicide bombings

APACHE USED PREEMPTIVE STRIKE
KID USES COVER
KID SURVIVES

without all the commentary the shooting seems to be justified to me. They could have been pretty much everything. They did not even made their presence known to the military as journalists.

welcome to a thousand years ago.

Wow, what a bunch of trigger happy yahoos. Keep fightin' the good fight America!

>>8236631
I'm not saying that they were being trained for any of that shit.

It just seems like a really good, vague excuse for being in the location of military action.

THEY EVEN SHOT UP THE REUTERS VAN THAT CAME TO PICK UP THE INJURED REPORTERS

WHY ARE AMERICANS SO RETARDED

I watched the whole thing carefully and the resolution simply isn't sufficient to identify what it is the men are carrying. Maybe the copter crew has much better resolution than wikileaks got, and those really were weapons. Maybe it's not and they're murderers.

But in any case the information is not there for us to see. As frustrating as that is.

Calling it one way or another is simply acting out your preconceptions or biases. I have mine (and they are exceedingly anti-occupation) but the facts simply aren't in this video and the result is just inflammatory.

reserve your anger for things with facts. paranoia and conspiracy are fucking boring and harmful.

>>8236632
The first engagement I can almost understand, but shredding a van full of people trying to help an injured guy? Just wow.

if you don't like war then why do you support it?

>>8236462
No, he had a camera on a tripod

This is why Murka will never defeat any insurgency at all.

I'm just waitiing for an Iraqi version of the Mai Lai Massacre.

CMON MURKA, STOP HOLDING OUT ON US. RELEASE THE VIDEO

RAMIREZ USE YOUR M230 ON THAT JOURNALISTS

>>8236649
>Reuters van
I don't think so, Tim

>>8236632

I wish I had heard that conversation.

"Hey, terrorist guys. How are you? Hold on a second while I give away your position to American gunships so they don't shoot me."

>>8236661
Normal people do not go to an area which is completely lit up by a choppa. To the guy in the chopper it could have seemed like some insurgent trying to rescue other insurgents.

>>8236632

YEH, IT COULD HAVE BEEN ANYTHING IN THEIR HANDS RIGHT

BETTER SHOOT THEM JUST IN CASE

"HEY IS THAT A CIGARETTE, I DONT KNOW, BETTER SHOOT HIM JUST IN CASE"

>>8236723

>could have been

So we kill indiscriminately based purely on hypotheticals?

>>8236723
What the shit does that even mean. It was a residential area, retard. I gues normal people don't go into residential areas right?

>>8236697
huh? The members of the press make it known when they are in an area in order to prevent shit like this. The pilot said that there was nothing in this area. It seemed like insurgents to him. He shot them. Nothing really strange or bad happened.

>>8236738
Notice how they say "5 or 6 guys with AK-47s" in the video.
Reporters often meet with insurgents to photograph them and get their story. If there are even 3 guys who actually ARE carrying weapons, it makes sense that they would assume the other things that look like weapons on slings would in fact be weapons.

>>8236761
Not when there was just 3 minutes of shooting.

MEANWHILE, NO WIKILEAKS OR ABRASIVE EUROFAG COMMENTS ABOUT OR TOWARD THE SICK AND UNJUST SHIT IRAQIS DO

>>8236723
Normal people don't try to help someone dieing on the side of the road?

No, what normal people don't do is shred up a van full of people helping an injured guy in a residential area.

So, the RPG was the cameramans telephoto lens. The weapons on two of them were some camera bags and one security guy with an AK?

Fucking hell.

>>8236780
normal people would see two apaches firing and then get the fuck away, not drive there and rescue the survivors. those dudes didnt so they were either stupid or insurgents. it was the right decision to shoot them.

This war is unjustified.

>>8236780
"normal" people in iraq are aware of the military and are fearful of their lives because they know that there are insurgents in their population and they dont want to be associated with them. People dont want to die. The people in this van forgot about that for some reason. It could be retardation, it could be comradery for their fellow insurgents. We will probably never know or hear about it from wikileaks since they are making such biased bullshit commentary.

>>8236772
>trying to defend the indefensible

Sure is Fox News in here.

Maybe those cams should have a higher resolution.

>>8236837
MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX

JEWS JEWS JEWS

BUSH = HITLER

>>8236831
you dont understand, they DROVE TOWARDS A GUNFIGHT. they didnt come there by chance. shooting them was justified

>>8236831
I know these people may not be "people" to you, but you think he's going to pass by seeing dying people in the road in all good consciousness?

>>8236831

You do realize there are like 5 lines of commentary in the whole 17 minute video, right? It is all quotes and subtitles.

>>8236831
>biased bullshit

I couldn't have summed up your comment any better if I tried.

>>8236779
That's irrelevent, cuntrag.

inb4 IQ data stratified by race etc.

Why were they so desperate to shoot the wounded guy and the guys helping him?

>>8236831
>We will probably never know or hear about it from wikileaks since they are making such biased bullshit commentary.

This. If wikileaks wanted to be fair and relevant they should have just released the video, not given a bunch of bullshit commentary

>>8236857
Yeah see, the people in those might be idiots. They might not be, because we KNOW what's happening since it happened in the past, but what pisses me off the most is that they're getting off on this shit. I don't care that that's all they have. They shouldn't have enlisted in the first place.

>>8236857
Because they are poorly-trained trigger happy rednecks.

But this actually is common for America's Army. They actually look for people that are mentally and morally void. Anyone with a brain and a conscience is behind the scenes on a computer.

>>8236857
Because they believed that the wounded guy had had a weapon in his hand before the shooting. That makes him a combatant. They want to kill combatants.

The guys helping them could have easily been insurgents who received a cell phone call about shit going down. So these guys were also considered combatants.

>>8236856
NO
IT ISNT
MOTIVE IS ALWAYS RELEVANT
YOU NEVER SEE THIS KIND OF SCRUTINY OR CRITICISM DIRECTED TOWARDS THE OTHER WIDE
ONLY TOWARDS THE WEST
ALWAYS

>>8236675
>I'm just waitiing for an Iraqi version of the Mai Lai Massacre.
>implying American forces haven't already committed similar or equivalent atrocities hundreds of times over

lol

>>8236876
It was quotes both defending and against the actions said by the military involved, along with annotations of where the bodies lay and so on.

I apologize if this video has sparked a revelation within you, friend.

the van was there within one minute of the gunfight. so it was safe to assume that they belonged to the insurgents, because they heard the gunfight and drove there to help or got a phone call.

>>8236857

If you assume the first wave of shootees were enemy, then it follows that the van is too.

"passing by [wounded] in good consciousness" wtf you think war is? This is not Times Square. It's about killing people to occupy country to achieve political ends. Good or bad ends.

>>8236846
help when your own life is in danger? People are not so noble.
>>8236848
The entire first part was a buildup in order to make the viewer feel empathy with some guy on the ground. They do the same thing in documentaries about certain subjects like climate change. Its all political bullshit.

>>8236887
People who have been through war get desensitized to this and they have to act this way in order to cope with things. You can't effectively fight a war when every time you're about to pull the trigger you think you're taking someone's son/father/brother/cousin. War has always been like this and unfortunately (or fortunately depending on the way you think about it) we have the technology today to show us just how horrible it is.

>>8236893
I didn't realize all you need to tear shit up in Iraq is the possibility that "they might be insurgents". It's no wonder they hate you.

I shouldn't go watch this I'm gonna be raging after but I can't stop myself

Its their fault for bringing their kids to a battle, I mean, their homes where we are shooting people.

>>8236939
yeah, you should just go there to the guys with ak-47 and rpgs and ask them if they are insurgents or just playing around with their guns. sounds like a fucking great idea

>>8236907

Are you a faggot? All American commentators ever do is rag on the shit the insurgents do and spackle over everything we've done.

Seriously, turn off the fucking capslock and approach our soldiers killing civilians (shock!) like a rational human being instead of some dipshit who sucks off a star spangled dildo every morning.

>>8236933
>to make the viewer feel empathy

The fact that they feel they have to MAKE the average person watching this video feel anything is an incredible metaphor for how morally reprehensible most people are these days.

>>8236939
Don't be such a nationalistic faglord. I'm trying to be objective you asshole.

The pilots saw Kalashnikovs and an RPG. These saw this as a threat. Their job is to take out threats.

>>8236956

So much of this.

Blockage sentence.

They would just be pissing all over the ROE if they were european.

>>8236966
These pilots*

>>8236933
I'm detecting fallacy.

The video was about an engagement where innocent people and 2 children were killed or seriously injured.

It is also about the attitude of the gunners of the helicopter and the way they mock their targets.

It is an example of the morals taught into the soldiers who commit the atrocities. Killing is seen as a game, death from a screen.

There will be patriots who defend the actions regardless, but at the very root, the ever changing reason for this war cannot be ignored.

First, we were there for Osama, then Sadam, who had nothing to do with 9/11, then WMDs, now iraqi freedom, and soon to be for a foothold to assault Iran to defend Israel.

And you'll still defend it.

if they showed the videos without the commentary, i would be happy to see some dead terrorists. now i just hate wikileaks for being sensationalist

>>8236981
Good lord, you are a faggot. Stop trying to make speeches.

>>8236924
If this happened in the middle of the desert I could agree with you. But it didn't, it happened in a residential area of a city. The kind of place where you often find people driving around.

>>8237008

You mad?

fingersinmyearsblox

>>8236876
They're just giving the facts. If they just released the video no one would have a clue what it was about.

Are you working for the Pentagon's psyops division by any chance?

WHO FUCKING CARES

its just a bunch of fucking iraqis that died

i dont get what the fuss is about. someone explain it to me????

funny how all day people come here talking about how useless sandniggers are, and when some are disposed of there's suddenly 50 threads with a million people weeping and crying

big woop

>>8237018
That is a good point, but I didn't see any other cars besides the van driving around.

>>8236924
What insurgents? You mean the two photographers? Those guys? What insurgents?

>>8236981
You say you detect a fallacy but you do not state which one and call me out on it. Therefore it does not exist and your point is moot.

The pilots speak in military jargon. They clearly wait for confirmation to fire from high command. They are not trigger happy. They just want to kill the bad guys while following the rules.

This video is sensationalistic bullshit

>>8237018
they heard the gunshots, saw the apaches and still drove there. if i was the gunner i would shoot them too.

and they even brought their children, fucking retards. natural selection in action.

>>8237027

Go back to your xbox, kid.
You'll develop morals when you're a little older.

ITT people who demonstrate the inherent problem with nationalism when they're willing to defend armed soldiers firing unprovoked on civilians because they happen to be wearing your team's colors.

>>8237030
the dudes with the ak-47s?

Yes unfortunately this is war. This sort of shit has been occurring since the dawn of human history and if you havent guessed it yet, it will continue to as long as there are humans. I understand how this can be seen as a tragedy for those that died, but I do not understand the crying and sense of doom as if all American soldiers do this shit all the time.

Im not defending their actions, but who knows what actually was going on and through the heads of the soldiers. Either way this sort of thing occurs on both sides, neither is evil and neither is good.

>>8236933
Some people help one another, especially when its sit all round for everyone.
I suppose it was unfortunate that the guys muilt it up like a documentry. If they didn't want to build tension they should not have staged it that way, right? OR, that is actually what happened.

>>8237035
>They ran over a body, hahah.
>Those dead bastards

>Military Jargon

>>8237030
http://images.4chan.org/k/src/1270492993120.gif

filetoolargeblox

>>8237035

In response to "I think they just drove over a dead body."

Is "Heh heh, really?" military jargon? Because to me, it just sounds like a vile redneck happy about destroying things.

even if they were complelty innocent, the amount of care it will generate on the general public :[spoiler]0[/spoiler]

Unless Oprah or Dr.Phil tells amerifags what to fell they'll just go 'hur dur sum terrorist got killed hurrah america derp'

wow jesus christ

OH BOO FUCKING HOO

IT'S A FUCKING WAR, SHIT HAPPENS

FUCK OFF

>>8237093
Oh, it will probably cause huge amounts of liberal guil

>>8237052
You mean the dude. The dude who was hanging out with the photographers, most likely their security.

>>8237080
no, to me it just sounds like someone noticing how he drives over a dead body. He even says that he tried to avoid it later on. How the fuck is he supposed to see where the bodies are? They are everyfucking where.

>>8237104
>guil
guilt, I forgot the t

Holding fire until fired upon is a sure way to get shot first.

>>8237050
True. It's just an advanced form of primitive tribalism coupled with the typical Murkan emphesis on killing brown people.

truthblox

>>8237129
>advanced form of primitive tribalism

Like islam?

>>8237110

>Those dead bastards.

Just someone noticing the dead innocents they just blew to pieces, eh?

The ignorance in here is outstanding. It costs you nothing to acknowledge what is right in-front of you.

>>8237070
>implying soldiers who are this overjoyed to be killing civilians don't do this all the time

Just because we don't have tapes of every incident doesn't mean it wasn't happening every fucking day. Every soldier I talked to who'd been on the ground said that eventually killing civilians meant less to them than killing dogs.

They pretty much had a rape and pillage free-for-all down there.

They thought they saw armed individuals, it was a sad mistake, but its not the norm of the operations in *random shithole muslim country that is backwards*

>>8237106
i saw two ak-47s. but whatever, they were armed so they were a target. they shouldnt dick around with their weapons in front of apaches

>>8237077

Alright listen, OP here. I'm not saying that there wasn't license to open fire on the group in general. I'm saying the second half, opening fire on men with no weapons trying to help the wounded, is not right no matter how you look at it.

I mean, even if everyone in the one was an "insurgent," is Tom Cruise around? Do we have a Precrime division? There wasn't a single gun in either man's hand (They admitted as much).

>>8237102
>edgy teenager

war is messy.

/thread.

>>8237080
>>8237076
but he IS a dead bastard. What do you want to call him else? A dead and possibly innocent civilian? Bastard could have meant "poor bastard" or whatever. Dont be hating linguistics.

>>8237106
see
>>8237077
>>8237077

great

>>8237141
The gunners were American. We know this.

But do we know the men on the ground were Islamic?

Tribal level intelligence.
Leader says the brown men are part of the evil cult!

>>8237150
they thought they were insurgents at that time.

war nums you man. there are no rights or wrongs. only survivors

>>8237182
Um

Are you fucking kidding?

They interviewed the children's family.

The women were wearing full towel wear.

Also, lol.

>implying that there are more than a few Iraqis who aren't muslim

>armed guys in the street
>americans shoot at them
>backup arrives
>americans shoot at them

sounds like business as usual. what the fuck is wrong with you moralfags?

>>8237008
>stop making speeches
>5 lines of text

Retard detected.

dirty fucking sand nigger propaganda trying to make war heros look like villains

>>8237232
It was the rhetoric, you waste of sperm.

>>8237224
0/10

blo0x

>>8237151

Yeah, flip through the pages of history and realize this has always been happening. Its war. War is hell and unfortunately a part of human nature. Does this make it right? No. Does this mean we should sensationalize this? Also no.

I don't care how offended your poor sensibilities are, if you think they shot insurgents or civilians, but if you don't think this video is fucking cool then you aren't a man. God damn it looks like it would be so much fun to be a gunner on a helicopter, just blasting the shit out of all those guys, they didn't even have a chance.

Oh yeah, and they did have some weapons, so I believe it's totally justified. They were justified shooting the van, too. Every time something happens over there those fuckers will swarm on the seen and take everything. For example, if someone blows up a vehicle with an IED they will come and steal all the fragments so the Americans can't figure out where it came from or how it was made. It's definitely not a matter of some dude randomly driving down the road and happening upon someone who needed help.

>>8237263

>sensationalism
>4chan
>implying that by discussing it here it is being 'sensationalised'

what

>>8237224

Our problem is that you seem to be lost.

gb2/b/

we should ddos wikileaks for this heresy of trying to stir up a shitstorm by editing the video.

>>8237182
>>8237222

>impying Muslims deserve to be killed
>realise I'm on R9K
>not surprised by retardation

>>8237160
So, they should go out with no security then?

Civilians get killed in war on their home turf? Oh mercy me what is the world coming too.

How about the 40 civies that terrorists blew up earlier today? Whats your opinion on them?

Fag.

>>8237309
>inferring I think Muslims should be killed
>450 SAT score

>>8237314
they should alert the army of their journalistic presence.

>>8237315
So the army is no better than the terrorists, is what you're saying. Cool, I can agree with that.

I wonder who got the spot assist points?

And you wonder why the rest of the world hates you?
I wish those people would be slowly tortured to death in front of their families

>implying every country doesn't do shit like this

>>8237354

Lots of people like America. We actually do help niggers from all across the world. Children HAVE been named George W. (lastname) in 3rd world countries. Get your head out of your ass you nigger.

>>8237354
>condemns death and destruction
>condones death and destruction

You seem to have the moral complexity of a 12 year old.

>>8237347

If 10 non americans die in an american war to save the life of one american, its cool.

>>8237379
so any place that has the death penalty....

>>8237397

...is an awesome place.

>>8237354
Not gonna happen because America is too awesome. I hope you get shot by a helicopter's machine gun while you are sitting on the toilet.

>>8237354

ohtheironing.jpg

>>8237370
>Implying other countries are trying as hard as Amerikka to sound like they're making the world into a better place while doing the same things they're accusing other countries of.

>>8237426
>implying other countries didn't fuck up the world before america took the helm

The real tragedy here is that the children survived. The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim.

>>8237419
If your cameras are shitty enough to make a DSLR look like a RPG then what's the possibility of one of your helicopters seeing through a small window if I take a poop?

They shouldn't have been walking around with insurgents in a fucking warzone. Jesus christ.

really? You are being butthurt because of the footage from one engagement? The americans seemed to have played a proper role. They did not disobey high command. They saw the hostiles and asked for permission to fire. In the video we can clearly see weapons. They asked the high command if those were their troops. Command said no. The only rational thing any man can think would be that they are hostile since they are such a large group going towards a convoy. The "american" military label can be replaced by "european" or even "russian". Stop being so butthurt.

>>8237440
>Implying we haven't come far since WWII.

>>8237440
Oh wow. Go read about what happened in Indonesia, or Iraq when America was supplying Saddam with weapons and support, or Iraq again when America sanctioned the shit out of it after Saddam stopped doing everything they wanted, or dozens of other instances where American and British policies crippled entire regions.

I'm not saying the rest of the western world is better, most of the big players had their hands in these things, but America certainly isn't any better.

American Air Support gives me a fucking boner. It escalates their ground forces into God Tier.

Its like when playing bad company 2, if you have a good apache pilot on your team, he'll rack up like 20 kills and take out all the tanks, love that shit.

>>8237426

>implying the U.S. is the first country to do such things

Human nature, everyone does shitty things, no one deserves less ridicule than anyone else. No one is ever going to learn this, however. Certainly not anti-military hipsterfaggots.

>>8236779

Uh, the terrorists don't try to cover it up. They release their videos themselves.

>>8237419
I hope you get eaten by a T-Rex while you're on the toilet. Fo' real.

>>8237517
I am in no way absolving America of responsibility. It just pisses me off when Eurofags go "AW MAN AMERIKKKA WAT DA FUK U DOIN"

I mean really, you fuckers set the precedents.

america is just detter than most other country, our citizens are smarter and cleaner, and we are richer and smarter. most countrys respect and look up to america, however some nigger countrys we killed

This is basically what happened "THERE IS A GUY DOWN THERE WITH A GUN HE MUST BE BAD LEMMY KILL EM LEMMY KILL EM!"
"OK SON"
"BLAM BLAM HAHAHAHA HES HURT BLAM BLAM"
"NICE ONE SON GUD SHOOTIN!"
"SOMEONE IS TRYING TO HELP EM LEMMIE KILL EM!"
"OK"
"BLAM HAHAHAHAHAHA"
"NICE ONE!"
"AHAHA LOOK AT THE TANK RUN OVER THE CORPSE!"

>>8237581

Yes because hillbillys pilot aircrafts.

Just cut off your balls now so you cant ever have children.

>>8237498
There is an RPG in the video you stupid fuck. The (extremely one-sided) commentary in the video was even forced to admit that the men were armed.

>>8237609

ITT a redneck with unwarranted self-importance thinks he's smart for getting into the chair force.

there were ARMED MEN, heading towards a US CONVOY on a BATTLEFIELD.

i dont see a problem, they should nuke those fuckers

Shitty thing, but it's an honest mistake and nothing more.

For every engagement like this there are literally hundreds where the people are in fact insurgents getting ready to attack or retreating from an attack.

Apaches crew saw a bunch of guys with what looked like weapons creeping around on the flank of a nearby infantry unit. What are they supposed to do? Let the people go so they can ambush the nearby infantry unit? Fuck no.

This is part of the risk of being a war journalist - someone might mistake you for an enemy and blow you away.

How cool would this be? You fly around in a gunship and just fucking destroy everything underneath you, with a helmet mounted remote cannon.... people are trolling all over this thread but this is what happens in war. It is impossible to avoid these situations. The people who "ran out and tried to save" the other wounded people: idiots. When you realize a gunship just nuked a bunch of people in a area, you DO NOT RUN INTO THAT AREA LOOKING AS IF YOU WERE ASSISTING YOUR FRIENDS. It's just common sense in a WARZONE

>>8237609
>implying hillbillies never pilot aircrafts

>>8237641
Looked to me like they were standing around on a street corner, walked a few yards, then stood around some more. It's not like they were running up to some American vehicles waving guns and yelling ALLAHU ACKBAR.

The only reason that evil fucker had children with him is because he thought the Americans wouldn't shoot at him. He was essentially using them as hostages. Unfortunately for him, the gunman couldn't see the kids inside the van.

>>8237641

Except for the fact their armaments were cameras.

>>8237640
A liberal faggot thinks apaches are part of the air force, clearly demonstrating his ignorance, and should just shut the fuck up and refrain from commenting on military operations.

I love how they're blaming the parents for bringing in the children. They were just trying to help some guy pretty much out of basic human kindness and got blown to bits out of the exact opposite sentimentality.

>>8237674
Except that all those cameras but one were actually RPGs and AKs.

>>8237662
so the us army should just let armed men run around the street? in what fucking world do you live in? happy rainbow unicorn world? where ak-47s shoot ice cream?

>>8237676

This is what Stormfags think is an insult.

>/r9k/
>automatically thinks of all service members as retarded hicks
>implying retarded backwood hicks could run the military as efficiently as it is being run now

Sometimes I think you dipshits are just mad because you never had the balls to join. Regardless, I'm not saying that they don't exist. The Marines and Army are loaded with them. But they're few and far between in the other branches. Not that it matters to you dipshits, you probably think that members of every branch run around in the desert with rifles killing everything they see.

For a board that tries to advertise itself as an enlightened /b/, you fuckers are ignorant on just about everything.

>>8237640

Yeah except im a civilian and a chef you tard. I actually support the troops and their motives in open combat zones. If they were chillin playing basketball and decided to shoot a guy who was staring at them, then I'd be on your side. I don't care how many muslims die, they kill more of their own civilians then we do, but unlike them our guys have the training and equipment to genocide those faggots.

All you care about in the when in the army is the safety and well being of your boys. You never want to see a guy lose a leg or an arm, that ruins peoples lives, if a guy has a plumbing tube that looks like an RPG, kill him, he should know better.

>>8237613
Looks like an RPG to me Tim

i saw one motherfucker with and rpg creeping around a corner = 30mm him and the people he stands with....period. the gun crew had good reason to fire on those people. go to iraq and suck off everyone that gives a sob story or doesnt directly attack you. you will not come home.

>>8237679
No one rushes into a battlefield with their children because they are trying to be a good Samaritan. He thought the guy was a fellow terrorist, and he was trying to help him escape before the Americans captured him.

Well they do come across as a bunch of trigger happy yahoos in the video, but I'm not gonna pass judgment on them from the comfort of my living room after seeing one 10 minute clip. I don't have to deal with situations where any dude in a crowd of civilians could just whip out an RPG or a suicide vest on a daily basis, so who am I to judge.

But this was obviously a fuckup, the least you guys could do is admit that.

>>8237730

A minimum wage worker with a fuckton of pointless nationalism? I've never seen this happen before!

>>8237690
Well, seeing as these people are going to be expected to look after themselves...yes.

You cant just "HEY WE WILL HELP YOU SET UP POLICE AND SECURITY FORCES BUT NO GUNS OR WE WILL THINK YOU ARE BADDIES AND KILL YOU ALL"

all these people saying they were not weapons, what the fuck? Honestly. Don't you think the gunship pilots that can manage to fly combat choppers can also ID extremely common and often faced weapons?

The difference between terrorists and journalists is that journalists are generally not smart enough to get the fuck out of the way of incoming fire.

HURRPANNDURPANN
LEMME SHOOT LEMME SHOOT
PLZ PLZ LEMME SHOOT PLZ
Alright, Go ahead.
FUKKK YEAA TAKE THAT SANDNIGGERS

r9k, you never disappoint.

>>8237756
>implying chef's make minimum wage

HAHAHA OH WOW

youer all libtard niggers , fuck you show some respect for american army, they keep you sage from sand niggers

>>8237744
>reuters journalists
>terrorists

Makes sense to me! RUMSFEEEEEEEEEEEEELD!

This thread is filled with bad excuses. Christ.

>>8237724

Nah these faggots are just upset because they think that what is going on in the war is a bunch of nonsense, and they don't actually see or WANT to see the progress we've made. Read some canadian newspapers, we're pulling out in 2011 but the parents of dead soldiers still want our troops out there. They understand the pros and cons of this entire war.

All these uneducated faggots say is "Herp Derp Oil" and thousands of people who don't take the time to look into the progress of the war agree with them.

>>8237744
These people live there you idiot. The battlefield is their entire fucking city, they can't exactly avoid it.

>>8237765
they were guys with ak-47s. if you walk around new york with an ak-47 you will be shot down. i dont think its that different in sandniggerville. they were most likely terrorists interviewed by those journalists. tough luck for the two journalists but thats what you get for being with terrorists near two apaches

ENEMY APACHE COMING IN!!!!

BARACK O BEEEE.

OUR UAV IS UP!

>>8237756

I dont make wage, I make salary. Thats how its always been.

Fucking learn your shit before you go talking about stuff you don't know about.

>>8237765
The US military coordinates with Iraqi military and police.

If this had been an iraqi unit, they would of known.

But it was just a bunch of unknown people with guns and cameras that look like guns.

>>8237553
>Implying 'doing shitty things in life' validly translates to 'manslaughter in a war that could have been prevented'.

Just because I'm pointing out something I'm a hipster? Then you probably don't have a very high opinion of scientists and other people that question the way things are done.

>>8237809
Yeah but the thing is, if an Iraqi helicopter shot down people in NYC...

Wait fuck this.

>>8237819

I'm sorry. It makes me feel bad when I insult someone who doesn't even have the social maturity to have an internet fight. Good luck on that Asperger's, though.

>>8237800
Actually, most of Reuter's journalists in these situations are local freelancers. And it's not uncommon for a lot of them to have dodgy backgrounds.

Reuters caught shit a couple years ago for printing photos from one of their journalists who was also a member of Hezbollah.

>>8237374

This is what Americans might actually believe

>>8237830

Scientists point out things after years of trial and study.

You just pull things out of your cum filled asshole.

>>8237830

>complain about an assumption
>make an assumption

>>8237853
>implying little nigglets don't cheer when they see an American aid helicopter

Sorry, we're not talking about Oslo, or whatever prissy pants little place you come from.

Wait, am I the only one fapping to this?

What's happened to you 4chan?

You used to be cool. :\

every time I get one kill away from getting the chopper gunner some bitch ass shoots down my Harrier. Fuckers. Anywho /v/ is back that way <<<<<< ass holes.

>>8237853

http://pewforum.org/Religion-News/President-Bush-awarded-for-fight-against-AIDS.aspx

This is fact.

I hope every one of you who is for this shit gets drafted and is the first to die.

>>8237867
I believe you're looking for /b/, it's the second one from the left.

>>8237881

We would be drafted, they only draft real men.

>>8237867
lol i actually got hard from it. seeing the pure killing power of an apache is so sexy

What I don't get is why you guys hate each other. Hate the insurgents, hate the army, but why the fuck quarrel about which side of the pond has the most retarded assholes? Somedays.

>>8237830

UH OH. LOOK OUT EVERYBODY, BIG MAN HERE QUESTIONS THE WAY THINGS ARE DONE. BACK THE FUCK UP, YOU MIGHT GET HURT.

You're not on the same tier as scientists, bro. All you do is bitch about things you don't understand.

>>8237881
First to die? This war has been going on for years, plenty have already died you ignoramus.

>>8237888
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YEA SURE

>>8237881

Witness, gentlemen, one of the last living Neanderthals.

Fuck this. I have enough to rage about in my daily life without this too. I'm gonna go watch an old James Bond flick then fap and go to bed.

>>8237857
Feel free to believe whatever you want to believe. The fact remains that the U.S. military can't keep the promises the U.S. government made. Instead of promoting democracy and fighting terrorists the only news to reach the world are civil casualities and the occasional marine being sent home in plywood coffin.

>>8237916

Actually during a draft you dont want to take a panicky little motherfucking worm with no backbone because he will not follow orders and if your forces are on the verge of being routed, all it takes is one man to run from the lines to send 20 more after him.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH SUCK MORE COCKS.

>>8237939
That seems like the only sensible opinion in this thread, I'm with you! (Not literally but you know)

US Army Aviator here.

I fly OH-58D Kiowa Warriors though.

If I had a dime for every time something like this went down, but the guys were insurgents, I'd be rich.

Also, ask me anything.

>>8237944

Because you aren't looking for real news, you can see videos and articles of individual american, british, canadian ect. forces going above and beyond to help civilians, but it doesnt sell as much papers as "40 CIVILIANS KILLED IN ACCIDENTAL AMERICAN ATTACK" on the front of a paper.

>>8237956
Have you ever killed an innocent person, and if you have, do you consider yourself a murderer?

>>8237956
whats a dime and how many do you have?

>>8237904
YOUR RAGE FUELS MY TROLLING.

I guess you know and understand everything about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan because you are the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces?

>>8237956

Do you get a lot of praise from ground forces after an operation?

Watched the whole video.

Camera equipment appears to be mistaken for weapons. (A tripod for an RPG, and varying kinds of cameras for guns. Perhaps there are some genuine guns - but I should think they were camera crew escorts), admittedly it's hard to tell. Which is to the soldiers credit.

The "callous" conversation of the servicemen is a bit jilting - but given the conditions I understand why they adopt it - to remain somewhat sane.

I suspect, if they discovered the truth of who they killed some would feel genuine penetrating remorse, others would blow it off as an easy mistake, and others would make excuses.

It's very hard to watch.

Do I think it's a mistake? Yes.
Do I think it's terrible and soul-deadening? yes.

Do I think the U.S. soldiers were malicious? No, I think they operated with false premises and erroneous suppositions - but in combat, I understand why they'd err on that side.

So, yeah, it's horrible. But... I think this illustrates the horrors of the nature of war, rather than any crime committed individually. If you find this reprehensible - it is a condemnation of the circumstances of war, the circumstances of combat, the very nature of violence itself - rather than the mistakes of servicemen. Yeah, mistakes and reprimands might need to be made but... they are not criminals, nor evil. Just human.

It's tragic. Just pure tragedy.

(Addition after reading comments while muted: If some of

>>8237949
Sure sure, cannon fodder.

>>8237975

Coming from the hipster scientist. lol.

YEA BOI GETTIN SOME KILL HIGH

LIBERAL REPORTERS AER FUCKIN WASTES OF MOLECULES ANYWAYS LETS WASTE THEIR SHIT

YEEEEEEEEEAAAAHHHHH

Does it make me gay if this video made me cry? 'Cause it did.

>>8237975

I like how when someone on this board is actually beaten in a lol4chan debate, they just say "oh I wuz trawlin"

>>8237981
I think the point of the video is not to be mean to the soldiers but to actually show that a lot of footage / documentation is being kept away from us.

Those are some pretty fucking amazing cameras they have on the Apaches... damn.

>>8238004
>implying terrorists are journalists if they carry cameras with their guns
lol

>>8237990
Better being a hipster scientist than a redneck homo. Hohoho.

>>8237981
*if some of

If some of the people in here believe the Camera equipment was weaponry - it illustrates the difficulties of identification of situations in a combat scenario. We know more afterward.

The "relaxed" situation was only because they were currently unengaged in combat - I am not sure of the ROE at the moment this was taken, so it would be unfair for any of us to pass judgment.

It's tragic. I see the soldiers point of view, and I see the civilians point of view. I my heart goes out to the civilians, but I'm also aware of what this engagement would do to the soldiers who later found out the truth.

My heart goes out to them as well.

So ... where do I go to sign up to join the army?

>>8237734
Oh wow, it's SO OBVIOUS now, I CAN'T BELIEVE I MISSED IT BEFORE

>>8238029
>my heart goes out
OH MY GOD YOU SHOULD GO TO A DOCTOR WITH THAT, ITS NOT FUNNY MY BROTHER DIED THAT WAY

>>8238031
That looks like a Camera tripod to me.

While I am sad for the children and the 2 innocent cameramen. What some people fail to realize is that the others there were in fact armed militants. Those cameramen knew that they were with militants and were clearly ready to take the risks that were involved. As for the van and the children, the fired on the van because they don't want the other militants collecting the weapons and people to fight again. Fighting their isn't some new thing, those in the van knew that they could be attacked.

>>8237962
Not that I know of. But sometimes it haunts me that it's quite possible. The OH-58 mostly does surveillance and occasionally close air support, so I don't blow shit up as much as an Apache pilot does.

>>8237977
Not a whole lot. Really depends what kind of support you give. You can hear the gratefulness over the radio when find some insurgents setting an ambush before the guys on the ground stumble into it. My bro's in the infantry tell me Kiowa pilots are very highly regarded though.

I think it's great how the soldiers on the ground acted. They are actually there, they see the suffering, ect. They see wounded/dead children and immediately grab them and start running to take them back to the Humvee and get them help. They seem much more humane then the pilots.

>>8238057
of course they are humane, they are not being threatened by guys with rpgs and ak-47. i wanna see how humane you would act if some dude with an ak-47 wants to kill you

So, what good did Iraq get out of this?

>>8238017
Army aviator guy here

They were probably a mile or two away when they shot.

>>8238057
Well, as you said - that's an issue of distance. Not humanity. Put those same men on the ground and I'd bet they'd react the same way.

War through a keyhole is the dehumanizing part. As all voyeurism is. Their 'attitudes' are a necessary result of being put in these positions constantly. One develops a thick almost callous skin - or goes crazy.

>>8237975

I wasn't raging bro. I was giving you the capslock recognition you deserved for being such a worldly, informed figure.

Good to see you pass off your loss as trolling, however. And no, but I have been overseas. Both sides are doing terrible shit, accidental or otherwise (not that there's much accidental when it comes to strapping yourself with bombs and running at a convoy), but that's war, that's humanity, and that's the way it always will be.

>>8238048
Doesn't matter what it looks like to you, if you watch the video it's actually the guy in the other helicopter that identifies the weapons. So for one thing, he had a better point of view, and for another, he's trained for this kind of shit and sees these weapons day in and day out, he's not just some dork on the internet who thinks he's an expert because he plays FPS games.

It's one thing to shoot at predicted insurgents while not absolutely sure to protect nearby allies (which is wrong because they should have to make sure), but it is a whole other story to shoot that van and the guy after he shows no other intention but to rescue a wounded person.

There was only the risk of one or two insurgents getting away with heavy wounds, while on the other hand you have the risk of killing innocent civillians just so they can not get away to survive.

And that guy was BEGGING for fire permission, while the responsible higher ups obviously cant judge the situation to its fullest. While their action may be udnerstandable, it is in no way justified.

>>8238072
When were the guys in the hellicopters threatened by those guys? As far as I can tell the people on the ground didnt even pay any attention to them, let alone point a gun at them.

LOL IF THESE GUYS LIVED IN THE SEA LIKE ME THEYD BE FINE

>>8238091
Right, and if you read what I wrote - I said the ambiguity lends itself to the soldiers credibility - because they have to operate in a hostile environment, and so therefore err on the side of caution.

>>8238091
>4 AK-47, one RPG...

Yeah very nicely spotted.

>>8238048
I was being sarcastic.

>>8238029
They were not in combat because they had cameras.

>>8238108
the one guy was peeking around the corner with something that looks like an rpg. that is a threat. if you would be flying that helicopter you would be shitting your pants

>>8238127
I realize, it's just that no one had said what else it could be. I used your post instead of the original to respond to out of laziness.

THIS IS COMRADE OBAMAS FAULT FUCK THAT SOCIALIST PIG

>>8238131
If the Camera's were instead weapons - there would be no change in their behavior. So how they behave is moot - I recognize this is all.

>>8238132
Even to me, that is not what it looked like.

i bet the terrorists in iraq will buy some cameras now LOL and drive around in vans with their children

>>8238057
Army aviator guy

Most the people in the armed forces are compassionate. We aren't looking to kill innocent people. It does invariably happen, and it fucks with people. But the brutal realities of the mission don't often allow you to express that compassion.

I had a rash moment where I volunteered to put my kiowa down to evac an iraqi kid. Backseats in a Kiowa are full of avionics and surveilance gear, so I would of had to put the kid on my lap.

I was obviously denied, and it was a stupid request. If I did that, the guys on the ground lose my eyes in the sky. And then more people probably get killed.

>>8238156
then you are obviously not fit to be in a war and shouldnt pass judgement

>>8238100
Again, these fuckers will absolutely swarm areas that have seen conflict so they can collect their wounded and take weapons and clear out anything that the Americans might use to track them down. Normal people would NOT stop to help terrorists, they knew they'd get shot at. They were moving like they had a fire lit under their asses because they knew that the Americans were closing in and would take that guy to a hospital, and keep him detained. They didn't want that to happen, they wanted to fix him up themselves so he could get back to killing and terrorizing.

>>8238172
This. Listen to this guy.

The event was tragic. But dont presume that soldiers dont understand tragedy - that is the single most insulting thing you can say to a serviceman/woman.

>>8238151

Don't be ridiculous. Sociallists don't make enough money to fire nuclear bullets.

>>8238184
Civilians would also rush to help civilians. The behavior is not indicative of the disposition of the individuals in this kind of context.

I hate the war as much as the next guy but this seems like a tragic accident. It disturbed the hell out of me but not because they were shooting civilians - I really think that was just a mistake.

This video is disturbing because it shows how brutal and cruel war really is.

inb4internet tough guys making assumptions about my age, politics, and economic background.

>>8238108
They weren't threatened.

However, the ground units operating nearby could of been.

>>8238204
they wouldnt and you know it. civilians dont run in front of an apache if they know it has just shot at terrorists.

>>8238188
Still, some of the training you have to go through really does fucked up shit to you.

>>8238204
So if you ever heard gunfire, would you rush into it, kids in tow, just in case you could help someone who is obviously a terrorist, even though you knew soldiers would be there any second to take him to a hospital?

>>8238174
The aviator guy thinks it was about 2 miles away. You think anybody can hit a moving hellicopter from 2 miles away? Even if it WAS an RPG, why would he aim it, then just spend a few minutes standing about in the poen, in front of choppers?

Also, who the fuck are you to pass judgement of what I am capeable of? Are you in charge of recruiting people?

>>8238193
fuck you liberal faggot o back to sucking obamas cock bitch

>>8238204

Yeah maybe if someone got hit by a car. Not if 30mm rounds throwing shrapnel everywhere was raining from the skies, and 10x that if you have your children in the van with you.

Every animal on the planet has the instinctive nature to protect their children. You don't go fucking around with potholes in the ground and dead/shreaded bodies everywhere.

>>8238223
Minutes passed. For all they knew the danger had also passed. They see a man dying on the street. Human compassion will kick in for civilians. Look at other tragic scenarios - common people will do extraordinary things.

Your presumptions on who acts how and why are done from the comfort of a chair - unlike those actually in the video. Extreme circumstances always elicit extreme behaviors. Ask the servicemen you know if civilians can do amazing things - watch them answer.

>>8238214
Aww wisn't that cute a baby hippie faggot cries because some sand niggers die. GTFO

>>8238052

>What some people fail to realize is that the others there were in fact armed militants. Those cameramen knew that they were with militants and were clearly ready to take the risks that were involved.

You are so naive, its not strange for international journalists to have PMC escourts in the war zone, especially since iduno insurgents kidnap them all the time. If the military shot every unidentified armed person, they'd kill every PMC and bodyguard in the country. 2-3 had rifles, and they weren't even aiming them. RoE was not not met and the group posed no threat to the copter

I don't understand what the big deal is. This was a horrible accident but it really totally looked like an insurgent situation. It sucked but it was a mistake.

Also in terms of the people in the plane being like "HURR LOOK AT THAT MOTHERFUCKER CRAWL LOLOL" . . . yeah that's a normal response to stressful-ass situations. You pretend it doesn't bother you, joke about it, etc. Same thing happens with ER nurses and cops.

you see a chopper firing at people. you have your kids in the car. do you

A) drive to the shooting site
B) OH FUCK I HAVE TO GET OUT OF HERE RIGHT FUCKING NOW

the only people answering A would be other terrorists, so its okay to shoot them

>>8238278
To be fair - we do not know what the RoE were at the moment of the video. Being armed might have been sufficient. They did radio in for permission - and got it.

>>8238278
You're naive to think it's okay to carry around weapons in a warzone and won't get shot unless you are actively aiming at someone.

>>8238223
Apaches usually fire from so far away you wouldn't even really notice it. Especially driving in a car.

>>8238278
first, the group was a threat to the convoi. second, they weren't pmc you asshat. they were terrorists.

>>8238237
*open

Who else thinks it's time we round up these anti-american cunts and just kill them all, fuck

>>8238320
they saw the dust and heard the gunshots. the driver knew there was a battle.he probably was a terrorist

>>8238295
With the chopper as far away as it was - I doubt they saw it at all. I suspect they heard shooting, and came upon an apparently "finished" battle. Not an ongoing one.

Also - why do you presume people act rationally in emergency situations? They do not.

Finally - just because it is not how you would act, does not mean it is how everyone will/should act. They wanted to help and were gunned down tragically for it.


In life, in war especially there are moments of complete injustice. Where there is nothing to be done to fix things. All attempts to blame someone are in order to alleviate the nature of tragedy. But tragedy IS tragic. There is no escaping the horrors of it. And the attempts to vilify one group or another (civvies OR soldiers) in order to exonerate the other is just a poor attempt at cleansing ourselves of the truly crushing reality and pain of such an existence.

War is hell. We just saw a terribly small piece of it.

>>8238325
They were not terrorists you fucking idiot. That is the whole problem with this.

>>8238350
Yes, let's do that.

>>8238320
Yeah and he must have thought 20 shredded corpses with weapons strewn about were... what, roadkill?

>>8238325
apparently you don't know how to read, or even know what the word 'terrorist' means.

who, were these 'terrorists' terrorizing? Which civilians were they bombing?

Oh wait...

you're a fucking idiot.

I'd also add that I absolutely would of engaged the first group of guys.

Would have followed the van though, see where they go.

That's only based on the limited knowledge of whats going on though. The situation on the ground may have dictated killing anything assumed hostile on sight.

Like most things like this, there simply isn't enough info in this video.

>>8238278
True. But they will usually get in touch with relevant commanders to make sure exactly this doesn't happen.

>>8238404
Or the result of another suicide bombing, which happens on a daily basis in that country?

>>8238424
Right. And the errors therein are why we've the term "Fog of war."

ITT: IDIOTS WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WORD TERRORIST MEANS AND THAT CAMERAS ARE CAPABLE OF TAKING DOWN A GUNSHIP

>>8238311

>You're naive to think it's okay to carry around weapons in a warzone and won't get shot unless you are actively aiming at someone.

What? First off, the entire country is a declared war zone, and that was a civilian residential neighbourhood.

Right, so by your logic american jouralists shouldn't have armed security escourts neither? Yeah, that makes perfect sense and protects their well being. Apparently self dedense in a troubled nation is illegal now

>>8238325

>the group was a threat to the convoi. second, they weren't pmc you asshat. they were terrorists.

Debatable whether they were, that convoy took 8 minutes to even reach the scene, and the behaviour of the group wasn't very typical of insurgents (8 guys bunched against a wall, of which only 2-3 were rifle armed).

Where is your source that they were insurgents? It would only make sense for reporters to have bodyguards

>>8238406

You take the risk of that van moving towards a terrorist hideout or something though, in which the pilot and gunner might of been in danger.

If these people were journalists with PMC soldiers, their location and objective would be known by the american and joint force military.

looks totally safe to me, just a guy with a baseball bat looking around a corner.

>>8238457
HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY ARE TERRORISTS

>>8238295
Yeah they would have to only be terrorists, apart from, the fact they were not.

>>8238376
I suppose it's possible that those were just passer-bys, thought they'd have to be mind bogglingly stupid- like unbelievably, sub-retard, shit for brains stupid to not have realized what was going on. When you live in a warzone, you don't just herpderp around like that if you aren't chimp-level dumb.

>>8238458
That could be his hand there.

>>8238424

We must wait until these ambiguous parts of the video are explained then

>>8238490
>>8238481
the dudes with ak-47s were terrorists, thats obvious. we dont know about the dude in the car, but its highly likely

>>8238514
if he has round hands like megaman, then yes. but if he is megaman that would be a reason to shoot him

I know enough about the army to say that they were nothing but eager to shoot to kill. Engaging a vehicle extracting wounded- isn't that a pretty severe violation of the ROE?

>>8238491
Unless you've lived in a war-zone, i suspect you should not make assumptions of how one "ought" to live in it.

I dont mean to be snide, I'm just aware of how hindsight, looking at a situation in retrospect is far easier than the moment, at which you see a man crawling on the ground, bleeding, and no signs of conflict anywhere (for several minutes).

Human compassion is powerful, and I'm rather a big fan of it - there are, horrible, sad, and tragic consequences to it sometimes. And we saw such an instance here.

People in this thread are looking for a bad guy - and they dont realize there wasnt one. War does not need bad guys. Horror and tragedy come forth without any input of evil.

This thread is just what people do - trying to excuse a scenario so that the world seems more just than it is, so things seem to make more sense, so that there is a "reason" for every ounce of pain - so that we might not be so terrified of the chaos that is reality.

War often does not permit us the luxury of these lies - and we saw that in the video.

>>8238546
no it wasnt, in the video you see the convoi with prisoners that was near the site. they had good reason to make sure they dont make it out of there alive

>>8238519
Because terrorists hang out with reuters journalists all the time.

You moron.

>>8238457
That's exactly the point. That's exactly what my mission in a Kiowa is. I'd rather not kill a bunch of guys if I can follow them back to a hideout and then kill them and the rest of their people.

>>8238519
Bodyguards also carry weapons.
What is obvious to you - turns out in the end, to be untrue. There were no insurgents in the video (as later investigations proved out). Armed? Perhaps - but no insurgents. Owning a weapon doesnt make you a criminal - but for the RoE at that moment, at that place, and in that time - it was (apparently) sufficient to get you shot at and killed.

>>8238584
lol, there have been reports of terrorists that were reuters journalists. so you can go suck on a dick.

>>8238536
Could be anything. The end of a telephoto lense, holding something in his hand, anything. From the video there was no way to even tell if it was the same guy that was holding the long thing which is meant to be an rpg.

>>8238583
Unsophisticated troll is unsophisticated. Unsophisticatedblox.