>>8189637
Logic > feelings

Is it? I don't see much in the way of abortion debates here.

>>8189645
>Implying /r9k/ is logical

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I hate children, that's why.

we like killing babies almost as much as choking women

>>8189690
We are Robots, after all.

Whores deserve to have their lives ruined by having a kid early. Kid deserves to have a shitty life because kids fucking suck and I hate them.

wait a second

>since having kids pretty much fucks over your life >shouldn't most of you be pro-life?
>having kids sucks
>pro-life

isn't this... do i... do i know the correct meaning of pro-life?

>>8189769

ok wait i reread op's post.

women haters want to ruin a woman's life, so they would be pro-life. ok, i get it now.

Because I don't want people to make the same mistake my parents did.

Because "Pro-Life" is an absence of choice.

>>8189816
how would you justify pro-choice? it's still killing someone

also, whores don't deserve any choices because they were too fucking stupid to go on the pill/use a condom. lol

>since having kids pretty much fucks over your life, shouldn't most of you be pro-life?

Since having kids pretty much fucks over your life, most of us would be pro-choice. Are you confusing the meaning of pro-choice and pro-life? Pro-choice = abortion = not having a kid to fuck up your life.

>>8189866
Reading comprehension must be a hell of a thing not to have, huh?

>>8189857

Not everyone considers an unborn child to be a someone. They haven't accomplished jack shit, and their potential to accomplish things later in life weighs against the parents' potential to accomplish things that they couldn't have while raising a child.

>>8189866
i thought the same thing, man. read this >>8189784

Because abortion pays my paycheck.

>>8189915

Is that really how women haters feel though? Having a child also fucks over the father's life since he's forced to pay 18 years of child support even if he wants nothing to do with the child.

Most of us who hate women hate them because they're illogical. Punishing a child to a life of complete shit solely because their mother "deserves punishment" for being a whore is illogical.

BOOHOO, BALL OF FLESH DOWN THE TOILET.

>>8189904
Life starts at conception. Are you saying that the parents' lifestyle should be allowed to decide if someone lives or not?

I set foot outside of /v/ in an attempt to escape that baby and god damn, here he is mugging at me on /r9k/ too.

>>8189969
>Life starts at conception.
Oh, really? I didn't realize that the scientific and religious communities had finally come together to agree on a definition of when life starts.

>>8189969
Please prove that life does in fact start at conception.


Please also prove how a fetus is more human than the millions of sperm you waste every time you masturbate.

I support govt funded abortions. The more the better, especially of niggers.

>>8190022

Prove that it doesn't start at conception.

Life starts when someone begins hating you.

>>8190051
Prove it does, faggot

Sure is GOD EXISTS PROVE ME WRONG in here

>>8189969

Under your definition life starts at conception. The sperm is a living thing so why wouldn't it be considered life at that point?

Good, productive people fuck up sometimes. Birth control can fail or they might have foolishly had unprotected sex. It doesn't mean they should be punished by having to raise a child, especially if they don't feel they are capable of taking care of one.

>>8190003
They have, you just didn't get the memo because no one likes you and you smell bad.

So there.

<3

I may hate women, but I hate religion more.

>>8190075
>The sperm is a living thing

No it isn't. They're zygotes man.

>>8190075

Conception: The entity formed by the union of the male sperm and female ovum; an embryo or zygote.

Sperm =/= conception

>>8190051
What about the sperm?
or eggs lost during menstruation?

All of these were potential people, so any man who masturbates is committing genocide and any woman who goes without a pregnancy and ends up menstruating is committing multiple murders.

Even when a man does come inside a women he is committing genocide due to millions of sperm not being part of fertilization, which also means that any woman who is pregnant is an accessory to the crime.

>>8190075
>>8190069
>>8190022
>>8190003

Yall niggers got trolled.

Life is not meaningful. Which is why sane people don't care about killing animals/plants/babies. Some people still think humans have intelligence because higher thought is too obfuscated to be recognized as predetermined/uncontrolled/non-existant. By this definition killing babies should still not matter until they are at least 2 years old.

>>8190109

No shit they're zygotes. That has nothing to do with sperm not being alive.

If a fetus could survive outside of the mother, then it's alive.

Premature births happen. Late births happen.

Aborting embryos: woop dee doo.
Aborting fetuses: nope.

>>8190122
We're taking about conception, not about whether a single sperm/egg is alive.

The sperm that made it and joined with a egg has the potential to become a human being.
How would you justify that it's not killing without saying "it ruins lives of retards who didn't use protection! " ?

I'm mostly pro-life, but politically I'm pro-choice because I think safe options should be available. I also don't feel strongly enough against abortion to think it should be outlawed.

I hate children, they are ugly, loud and they smell.
The less of them the better.

>>8190022
^ Sweet dubs by the way.

Conception being the joining of an egg and a sperm leads to a zygote with a genetic make-up that is both complete and unique. True, sperm and eggs hare living cells, but they only have 1/2 the correct number of chromosomes. When they join, they create a new cell with a complete set of chromosomes. With that, a new individual, with genes that are similar but not identical to the mother is formed within her body.

This is a living cell that is not a part of the mother and therefore a new and definite lifeform. It is a living organizm with human DNA. I believe that would constitute it as a person.

Now the argument can be made that blood cells, which could be living cells that get transplanted from one human to another could then be counted as people as well. However, unlike the blood cells, the zygote will be able to divide and develop. It is a completely different kind of cell, that in and of its own unique properties that I believe one would be able to call a unique organism.

>>8190189
But all sperm and eggs have the potential to become human so long as they are joined!

Why is it suddenly they only gain potential to become human status once they have done so!?

You are simply trying to justify wanting to enjoy masturbation and going without pregnancy for "Convenience" and "Enjoyment"

Murderer.

>>8190189

Killing, perhaps. Not that it matters. It's a lesser being that hasn't even formed into a human yet.

>>8190253

read >>8190232

conceptionblox

>>8190299
You are simply trying to avoid the issue, that if ever brought to light would reveal that 99% of the human race is participating in genocide.

>>8190299

No, I'm not. I explained it to you. Stop twisting words/read harder.

>>8190351
It seems I can't convince you, but the majority will speak on this issue soon.

Your kind will be brought forward for their crimes.

>>8190329

Implying that by not having each and every sperm and egg join, we are comitting genocide.

However, the act of allowing each and every sperm and egg to join would inevitably result in overpopulation. This in turn would cause genocide on an even grander scale, and possibly even a mass extinction event.

This isn't genocide, it's population control, and its for the best.

Carry-on.

>>8190394
You have the RIGHT TO LIFE overpopulation is lie, there is plenty of room in the world, hell you could fit half of the country into just one part of Texas

>>8190329

I'd say you're the one being hardheaded. You just want to stick to the masturbation bit because it's such a sweet burn; there's a fairly clear biological difference between a fetus' potential and the potential of a single sperm.

A fetus has the chromosomes; it's human. It may not be able to think or eat or post on the internet yet, but it's still human.

>>8190451
It has the potential to become human, it just needs to reach an egg.

Stop trying to justify your problem.

>>8190478
a fetus IS a human. fetuses can be born early and survive just fine. just because it's still inside the woman doesn't mean it's not a human yet.

being born doesn't make something human.
being born is not a biological process that changes the structure of the fetus. the only difference between it pre- and post-birth is the amount of air in its lungs.

Well, I have no idea what either term means since the last I remember they're the opposite of what I'd assume.

I just want abortions to be an option, but not forced, or banned. Having the government decide the fate of a zygote seems pretty inhuman, and if a girl is raped she should have the choice of keeping the baby or not.

>>8190499
And the amount of vagina it's getting

Spoilers

To all of you complaining about kids:
You are still one, for not being able to deal with them.

>>8190499
WRONG. A fetus doesn't not legally = a person, otherwise abortion wouldn't be legal, and partial birth abortions wouldn't be illegal.

Read a fucking case study, Christ.

>>8190451
The difference, in crowded areas, is about 2 feet.
By your logic every time I have sperm in my testicles and I'm not having sex with a fertile woman I'm killing a human. It doesn't fucking matter that a fertilized egg has all of the human genome, it can't feel.
I hope you're a vegan, by the way.

>>8190579
so man-made laws dictates natural biology.
makes sense.

>>8190579
whatabout when murdering pregnant women counts as double homicides?

forsomereasonthisisnotoriginalblox

>>8190597
So your personal opinions dictate natural biology?

See: the quickening

At least those in the Supreme Court have some wisdom and years behind their decisions, you're just a pissed off little nitwit.

>>8190439

My dear brobot, do you realize that over the average human lifetime, each male will produce well over 1 million sperm. There are roughly 6.7 billion people on the planet right now. Even if only 3.3 are male, that means that to avoid "genocide" we would have to allow 3.3 billion times 1 million new lives come into existance. Then, roughly half of this new generation would also put over 1 million new individuals into the world. The system begins to grow at an exponential rate greater than that of a bacterial collony in ideal conditions. The world would be over-run in less than two generations. (Keep in mind that becuase sperm production is constant, the population wouldn't be comming in waves, but rather in a continuous, ever increasing flow.) Demand for resouces would far surpass anything our puny little planet could ever hope to pump out. Our race would extinguish itself.

Once again, this isn't murder, its population control, and its for your own good.

>>8189637
OP, you want the /r9k/ answer? Because they don't want the bitch to claim child support.

>>8189637
Most of the disagreement isn't about "hurr durr abortion is good/bad," it's about where a human life begins.

Most pro-choicers would agree killing a person is wrong, and most pro-lifers would agree that ordinary contraception is not wrong (there are exceptions to both sides, of course, but I'm talking about normal decent folks, not the lunatics on TV). The disagreement is about whether or not a fetus qualifies as a human being.

I've found the issue interesting to think about. For me, what makes the difference is this case is at which point leaving the situation alone would result in the birth/non-birth of the child. At conception, the situation changes from "a child being born is possible" to "a child being born is the most likely event." Granted, some STDs and other diseases can affect this, as can unfortunate circumstances (miscarriage, etc), but by and large a child is most likely to be born at this point. As such, taking action *after* conception constitutes a deliberate attempt to prevent the child from being born, and is therefore (usually) immoral. That isn't always the case, if the mother is dying because of the child or something then there can be exceptions. There's almost always exceptions to issues like this.

It's strange, though. I would have next to no probems killing a child after they're... oh, say, 5-6 or so, or at least the age of reason, and certainly no qualms about killing a grown adult. I put next to no value on human life. I think it's the innocent nature of the child, that this is a person who has not yet become a corrupted, vapid, self-absorped waste of human life that appeals to me.

>>8190617
It's murder, plain and simple.

>>8190613
No, natural biology dictates natural biology.
There is no biological difference between a newborn baby and a fetus that's about to be born.

I'd rather let whores abort their fetuses and suffer the emotional damage that comes with killing their baby than let them give birth to rapists and murders and criminals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect

Abort the criminals before they commit crimes.

This shitstorm has much more potential.

>>8190938

Pro-life pretty much won here. No one has an argument beyond "it'll ruin lives! XD".

Suck it, choicefags.

>>8189637
We're not pro-choice, we're pro-abortion

>>8190996
I feel like we're not killing ENOUGH babies. Where's the thread about that?

>>8190996
>>8191066

Butthurt choicefags.

Because there are too many leaches on this earth, if an abortion will get rid of one more nigglett or white trash welfare child I'm all for it

also I think you should be able to abort 3 or 4 years after delivery depending on how far along the little shit has come

I believe we should also look more into postnatal abortion.

Anyone who thinks early embryos have a right to life is an idiot and, if they're not a vegetarian, a hypocrite. The vast majority of abortions -- like 98% -- take place before the fetus can even experience pleasure and pain, much less have thoughts and emotions. And the mother is under no obligation to allow the fetus to use her body to stay alive: even if a mature fetus has a right to life, it doesn't have a right to live inside someone else's body without their consent.

>>8190663
And that's a nice strawman, since I don't think anyone who is pro abortion thinks it should be allowed up to the time of the woman giving birth.

>>8191288

Well the fetus didn't consent to being created in the woman's body either. It's not like babies invade women's bodies at random; the people that had control over whether the baby was conceived at all are the mother and father. The baby has no opportunity or ability to make choices well into life outside the womb, much less within.

>>8191453
Nobody's blaming the fetus for being there. The point is that it doesn't have the right to be there against the mother's wishes. It's up to her whether it stays.

Fetus's are parasites, the mother is a host

KILL IT WITH FIRE

/thread

/r9k/ is pro-choice because it kills more nigger babies than white.

>>8191509

So its like a cancerous tumor. Again, the DNA is different from the mothers, and just like a fetus, it has the ability to grow and mature.

So on a purely logical level, if you say it's murder to abort a fetus, it should also be murder to remove cancer.

I'm pro-death

>>8191509

But there's no way to kick it out AND keep it alive; the decision isn't whether it stays, but whether it lives or dies. If fetuses are human, then it's effectively a window of legal murder. And given the proliferation of birth control, in most cases the woman and man had control over whether or not the fetus had a chance of forming, so they're (usually) not agent-less victims like the fetus is.

>>8191616

The fetus can't think or feel ANYTHING.

Killing a cow is more tragic than killing a fucking fetus, and I'll bet you're not even a vegetarian, you illogical faggot.

>>8191616
No, kicking it out isn't murder, not if it has no right to be there. Even if something has a right to life, that doesn't mean it has a right to be given the means of survival, much less that it has a right to use another person's body to stay alive. It's perhaps unfortunate to have to kill something that has a right to life in order to get it to stop using your body, but it's not murder.

>>8191639

Whether a fetus can feel or not, if it's human, it could still be immoral to kill it. If someone's unconscious they can't think or feel; but it wouldn't be alright to kill someone while they're knocked out, then immoral again when they woke up, right?

>>8191550
>implying niggers have abortions

>>8191723

An unconscious person isn't necessarily dependent on somebody else to live like a fetus is. An unconscious person is an independent, thinking being, and a fetus is not.

A fetus is a potential human, but it's not a human. It's a parasite and can be expelled from the body if the mother - who is giving it ALL of its life - doesn't want it to be there.

>>8191667

My problem is still that the fetus didn't choose to be there; maybe if it had somehow invaded the woman's body without her consent, I could consider it something similar to self-defense, but since it's the woman herself that (usually) enables the fetus's existence, I don't think she's justified in then acting like she has no responsibility for the consequences of those actions.

And the fetus has no possibility of surviving outside its mother; hell, it won't have the ability to survive without adult aid and supervision for years. It's not like "Well, I'll set it loose and if it doesn't live, no fault of mine," the abortion has only one possible result for the fetus; death.

>>8191769
THIS
Niggers know it's easier to have a dozen kids and live off the government than actually work.