ask /new/ bro. They love this subject.

>>8080912

Very well, will do just that.

The NHS is what they see as the inevitable outcome of the healthcare reforms. Now, I know most people think that the NHS is absolutely fantastic, but it is non-competitive and therefore horrendously inefficient. It haemorrhages tax money that even well people have to pay. People who don't smoke pay for chain smokers' operations, Christians pay for sex change operations etc...
What's more, the NHS is completely abused by foreigners who can't afford healthcare in their own countries.

But for all of its faults, it is there when you need it, ALWAYS. It's the best thing about this country.

We have an NHS in our country too. Our experience is that anything that is turned into a government function loses the efficiency of a capitalist system. Jobs are given to catch votes and a job with the government gives little incentive to work. The Americans are complaining of the least of the problems with any NHS, which are costs. What they really should worry about is a lesser service.
But few Americans understand concepts like these.

>>8081015

Personally speaking the NHS has NEVER failed me, and I can really appreciate it as someone who has lived in 3 developing countries during life, in my honest opinion every penny of tax money that goes into the NHS is worth it.

It isn't a public healthcare system, but compulsory private insurance.

republicans think it will bankrupt our government or something

please ignore them, they all need to be locked in a room and gased

I'm glad I have an NHS. Don't have to worry about a thing. Plus, I don't have to worry about getting insurance if I get injured in the EU countries either.

>>8081069
It is. But that tax money comes from people who won't necessarily be getting their money's worth.
The system is part of the unfair idea that those who work should support those who refuse to.

>>8081080
Yeah. Silly republicans keeping the economy in mind!

>>8081105

It's more humane than letting them die

it's not like they get a lot of money though

>>8081105
I'm not sure you quite understand economics.

>>8081105
what about the elderly and babies? Fuck them if they can't afford?

>>8081143
No. But I understand the health care system. I'm a doctor, and the one thing I hate about this system more than shitty pay (for which reason I give suboptimal service) is niggers, druggies and other low lifes wasting our time and resources when it could be spent on the honest taxpayers contributing to the system.
The same lowlifes have the gall to thrash expensive hospital equipment if you don't satisfy their every whim.

>>8081167
The elderly have contributed enough.
The baby is a possession of the parent, who may have contributed.

>>8081167 what about the elderly and babies? Fuck them if they can't afford?

The elderly should have the option of a lethal injection or paying for treatment with their own money. Babies are covered by their parents.

>>8081225
Oh come. Lets discuss reasonably. I know exactly what happens when you dont give the elderly very very very easy access to medications. They wont take them, then present with worse off disease that you need to treat in the emergency setting.
It's moochers I can't stand. And that's what the system caters for. Lazy good for nothings and the fools that think they're not paying out of their nose through their taxes.

>>8081179
>(for which reason I give suboptimal service)

I hope I never get scum like you for a doctor.

>>8081276
Guess what, boy. You do. We slaved for years at medical school in the hope of reaping the rewards then we get landed with a shit government job while some asshole from law rakes in big coin. And we have idiots like YOU to thank.
The pay for doctors in the public sector is shit, and the service will only improve with privatisation. Otherwise, fuck you and your socialist bullshit you think you're benefiting from.

>>8081076
This guy explained it, but you retard britfags aren't listening

I don't think British people really understand what insurance is, since they've never experienced what it is.

Basically you have to pay a monthly or yearly fee that is quite a lot of money. If you pay the monthly fee, then when you go to the doctor a portion (by no means all or even enough money to keep you from possibly having financial problems) is paid by your insurance company.

If you pay the yearly fee, then no money is paid by anyone but you.

The cost of medical procedures is so outrageous in the US that even something simple can cost you a couple thousand dollars easily. And if you get something like cancer, even if you have insurance and a decent job you can be well and truly fucked if you don't have a savings account somewhere.

>>8081322
this man understands
its not about fairness, its about competion, which obamacare will be killing.

>>8081259
I don't really give a fuck. It's just money. We've seen how worthless money is in the last two years as banks fucked up the economy.

Money isn't worth thinking about.

>>8081322
What exactly are you defining as shit pay? With what doctors make you just sound like an entitled asshole. The right of anybody to not have to worry about paying for healthcare is far more important than your right to earn absurd amounts of money. If you got into medicine to line your pockets work for a private hospital.

I'm never going to understand why as a country the USA is so opposed to universal healthcare. It's not like a private clinic is going to be better than a publicly funded private clinic (Most GB practicises fall into the latter). As for hospitals; it's pretty much the same, some will be good for cancer patients some will be good for their gynecology dept. It varies from place to place; like say private hospitals.

The price works out as lower overall because there isn't any profit needing to be made; which is the majority of any insurance policy.

>>8081329
the cost of medical procedures is high there because of the sue culture
you cant expect to put a doctor at such high risk without him wanting to make sure he can pay for damages if something goes wrong.
and something will always go wrong.

>>8081322
>Implying doctors don't make well over 150 grand a year.

OH, U.

>>8081076
>It isn't a pubIic healthcare system, but compulsory private insurance.
Only now you're paying more to cover those who won't work because you are.
Enjoy your forced charity.

Sharing is caring, guys! Oh wait, it's America.

>>8081376
Ask any doctor. The perception that doctors make big money is skewed. Only a few do while the rest of us have to settle for salary scale 9.

While I'm mostly a filthy right-winger, if there's one big leftist view I support it's that I think everyone should have free healthcare, thus I'm a supporter of the NHS. It's always been there when I've needed it, and I think to ensure the good health, safety and general well-being of a society then all, not just a select few, should have full healthcare available to them whenever they need it. Everyone uses it, so everyone should pay their way for it.

At the moment in the US, if you're seriously ill and don't have much money, ninety percent of the time you're in the shitter. The reason the Republics oppose Obama's healthcare bill, which (as said even though I'm right-wing) I've supported from the start is because they're horrible reactionaries and think it'll mean the government will have too much control over healthcare and that it'll cost too much. I can kind of understand the second point, especially with America's huge deficit, but I think in the long run the country should have universal healthcare that so many other industrialized nations do.

Doctors on the NHS are so poor they operate by tip these days.

>>8081411

*Republicans.

typobloc

>>8081406
>The perception that doctors make big money is skewed. Only a few do while the rest of us have to settle for salary scale 9
>salary scale 9

What does that even mean?

NHS website

Consultants
Consultants can earn between 74,504 to 176,242GBP, dependent on length of service and payment of additional performance related awards.

>Dear white middle class undergrads on the Internet, what are your diverse and informed opinions on health care reform?

>>8081384
>Some people choose not to work so all poor people deserve to rot

why do all arguments against helping the less fortunate come out like this?

>>8081347
lulz this guy fails to realize the intrinsic value of currency.

>>8081412
And then its shocking to think that we could care less. We perform miracles and people think we're greedy rich people. I live in a fucking hole in the wall and I do more good per day than a thousand average men will ever do in their lifetime.
Idiots still think they're benefiting from reducing competition between medics. HAHA

>>8081424
according to the NHS website at least 75,000 pounds or $111,000

>>8081426
I don't think I've ever seen a more degrading and hilariously true summary of a thread

>>8081427
I came from a poor family. So I educated myself and became a doctor. I'm not as poor as I was.
My point is that the poor these days have no excuse with all the opportunities laid out. It's laziness that the ones who stay poor have.

>>8081368
it's also high because many people can't pay for the shit to begin with

this is just making it worse, because people in a certain income bracket won't have to pay much for insurance or for their deductible. as long as private insurance exists, it will always be like this :/

I'd rather have something like the NHS than this

>>8081368
You're not going to get a sue culture if you did a simple piece of legislation that makes sense with universal health care.

You can't sue a specific doctor, you sue the hospital/clinic group (in the case of the hospital it'll vary while clinics tend to be private).
You can't sue for money if the incident is procedure based and causes minimal effect on your life.
You can't sue based on quality of service if the job is done properly. (i.e.waiting time, recovery time, procedure time, quality of hospitality).

Still though, what kind of heartless, souless fagot would sue a public hospital, in doing so would be preventing a treatment.

You could implement this in a private scheme, but the prices wouldn't go down, the profit margins would just increase to match the reductions.

if you want to see the future of America's health care, look at Massachusetts.

i cunt goot a gorl to sack ma peens h3lp plz;?;

>>8081425
Consultants are the highest grade, and also the oldest. We housemen start off with the same pay as public bus drivers and nurses. Most of our lives are spent as lowly salary scale 8 workers.

>>8081462

Sure is hypocritical samefag in here.

>>8081510
The NHS website says that is about 38,000 pounds, how much of an entitlement complex did you develop to consider that a low wage?

Under Obamacare, all doctors will transform into Dr. John Becker.
Think about it. Poor, angry, hateful and frustrated with the system. Enjoy your John Beckers.

>>8081510
You start at 25,000 a year, while in training which is 30,000 the following year until it hits 75,000. man up ffs
GBP figures

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/26/cbos-2020-vision-debt-will-rise-to-90-of-gdp/

President Obama's fiscal 2011 budget will generate nearly $10 trillion in cumulative budget deficits over the next 10 years, $1.2 trillion more than the administration projected, and raise the federal debt to 90 percent of the nation's economic output by 2020, the Congressional Budget Office reported Thursday.

>>8081493

Oooh, good call. I forgot about that.

>>8081570
This. You whining fucking prick, My ex gf lived with two (lovely) female doctors, they just qualified, lived on 30k a year with free NHS flat provided for them untill they wanted to move out.

Fuck off and get a grip.

From what i understand, Health insurance is like Brit National Insurance, in that it is a recurring payment, and therefore if similar to the NHS in that respect. And when people say it is in the public sector, and so is in-efficient, this isn't true at all. It is representing the government, and therefore if the current government want to stay head, they need to keep it running smoothly. Also if you need long term treatment, private clinics can become ridiculously expensive. The American health bill, in my opinion sounds like a great idea. People complain about the NHS now and then, but only because they can, as it is easy to highlight a single service.

I don't care if its a troll, I'm bored.

This bill is nothing like the NHS. It's what we have now, except they aren't allowed to deny you care because of preexisting conditions.
The problem most people have with it is not the bill itself, it's the cost. This thing will cost almost a trillion dollars over the next ten years.
The vast majority of people in this country have all the healthcare they need. Expecting them to pay a trillion dollars in tax money(money we don't have) for something they don't need is pretty ridiculous. That is why most people are opposed to it.

The "OMG COMMUNISM TYRANNY ABORTION!! FIGHT EVIL! BUY GUNS!" people are a minority in reality. They are more like a giant ad campaign then an actual movement.

>>8081633
also complaining about the NHS is about the only thing British people do well now, along with complaining about the weather, drinking too much, being witty and performing public enquiry after public enquiry.

>>8081080

Our government is pretty much already bankrupt. This kind of thing is just putting the final nail in the coffin.

Orthopedic surgeons make around 400,000 a year.

CRY MORE DOCTORS. CRY MORE.

>>8081322
maybe you should have chosen to study LAW then. if all you care about is the money, then you should have chased the money. DOCTORS, i feel, should generally care about those who are ill and should have a desire to help ease suffering. if that wasn't your aim, then you should have specialized in plastic surgery.

It's not being turned into NHS, at least single payer would cut costs, but we don't have a public option of any sort, just government subsidized private insurance.

>>8081793
damn straight. This dickhead slaved away in medical school and is scared he will only make enough money to buy one house instead of three.
I'd much rather know my doctor went into the profession due to an honest endeavor to help others instead of being a greedy money obsessed fuck.