>>8029322
Welcome to America, the land of freedom.
And if we don't have any left we'll take it away from other countries.

I think the problem is, it forces you pay to be alive.

I got pretty fucking mad. but now that that Bush is gone and the Republicans have had to sit in the corner, I'm sick of the Democrat's insanity at trying to run an economy, considering they were the ones that crashed it in the first place.

also you forgot No Child Left Behind and Medicare part D. and all of the money we sent to Africa when we were freakin broke (anyone that thinks that Bush didn't absolutely love black people is a fucking moron)

I laughed when all those things.

You guys have really gone downhill this past decade.

ITT: Americans still don't realise they are the bad guys.

>>8029322
actually...one amendment...what those guys in that prison went through was wrong and humiliating, but it wasn't torture.

>>8029353
>>8029353

No child left behind is just bad policy

medicare part D is alrite though

>You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.

>>8029376
if you think it's alright you obviously don't work at a hospital or a home.

Of course they didn't get mad. They're sheep.

>>8029322
uh, yeah i did get made.

bush was shit.

so is obama.

/thread

>>8029382
because hospitals will now be run like VA centers

god you're fucking thick

people are just going to "america fuck yeah" this thread

i'd still rather be in Australia or Canada

Who says no one got mad when Bush fucked up?

His approval rating 12% FFS. I see no problem with Obama's policies (nor does anyone in any civilized part of america) and would love to see further steps toward socialism. Yes, the republicans are fucktarded but the ones who appear so against the bill are a small but incredibly vocal group.

>>8029373
One word: waterboarding.

"Believe me, it's torture."

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/08/hitchens200808

>>8029441
waterboarding isn't torture. one of my friends tried it for fun.

you should read about what the iraqis were doing when they ran their own prisons.

Note quite, I didn't get mad because it's not my country. Also because it's the US.

>>8029352

Are people really this retarded or is this a troll?

>>8029322
AMERICUUUUUH FUCK YEAH, COMING TO SAAAVE THEMOTHERFUKIN DAAY-AYYY

just saw this on /fit/
it's starting to lose value now...

fuckin A OP

you already have the right to health care. you don't have the right to financial security. there's the difference.

You yanks are finally becoming what you constantly project to the world via hollywood films. You should be glad.

>>8029322
Op how easy it is to control a nation. You just need to control the information. Half the people in the nation are sure to always be on your side if you control two opposing parties none of which doesn't any benefit.

>>8029352
Food and water are tolls on living.

>>8029492
you can catch your own food and water. just like you can provide your own medical care.

>>8029390

you are right, I don't. Whats so bad about it?

Why is the health care bill extended the world over?

That's the part I don't get.

WRONG. I GOT MAD ABOUT A LOT OF THOSE THINGS.

>>8029447

If waterboarding isn't torture then there is no such thing as torture.

>>8029507
You catch your own water?

>>8029508
well theres a few issues of it but theres one major glaring one thats been fucking us over for the last few years. basically how it went was if a resident needed their drugs, medicare paid for it. done deal.

now whats happening is they go on private plans. now lets say they need drug A. there's also drug AA which is the same damn thing but a different brand. now lets say they were on plan that covers A, B, and C. and then they switch to a plan that covers AA, BB, and CC.

so normally we just get their physician to write them a prescription for AA. does the same damn thing, the insurance company pays for it, done deal.

the problem is we've had a lot of jackasses that absolutely REFUSE to write them a new prescription. but the residents still need their drugs so we have to keep giving them drug A. and guess who pays for it? we do. it's a loss, so we have to raise fees in other areas to cover for it.

the whole thing is incredibly dumb, it worked fine before, and nobody should have gone and fucked with it.

>>8029322
Americans did not got mad about the wrongs that former President Bush did because those voices were silenced by the mainstream corporate controlled media. The same mainstream corporate controlled media focused on the people voicing their opinion on the health insurance reform bill because they have an interest in the system. Remember those prescription drug ads they shove at least once an hour, especially on cable, that's why.

The same corporate controlled media allowed their voice to be aired because of the owners conservative tendency. The tea party has a conservative tendency with the corporate media owners.

>>8029927
apparently you've never heard of msnbc or cnn or almost every american newspaper ever

>>8029758

why won't the doctors write a new script for it? I mean, if there isn't a medical reason they should be using A over AA?

>>8029975
because they're fucking pricks, and there's literally nothing we can do about it.

>>8029947
MSNBC is owned by GE (Which has conservative owners). CNN is owned by Time Warner which have consevative owners. Most American newspapers have conservative owners as well.

The media is as liberal as the conservative owners allow them.

>>8029322

No, I was pretty pissed when all that shit happened. Trouble was, I was in the minority.

>>8030004

Have you tried talking to your residents? Telling them that since their doctor is refusing to write such scripts you are forced to raise prices?

Maybe the residents would ask their doctor for a new script and get one.

But that requires a rational and somewhat intelligent public. Haha that's a good one. Working in a pharmacy for 2 years taught me to fucking hate old people.

Britfag here, everyone I've seen complaining about universal healthcare seems to be a middle class white kid living in the suburbs with the mentality of 'why should I have to pay for people much worse off than me to have a better life?'.

You forgot the part where they didn't get mad when the government bailed out the banking fat cats, and then decided they would rather let the auto industry die.

>>8029322

I was mad about all of these things, cunt.

Just because I hate Obama doesn't mean I like the neoconservatives. They're basically nothing but hawkish liberals who pay lip-service to "the free market" (whatever that is).

>>8030043
yep that's basically it. it's amazing how much bullshit goes on in this industry.

what really upsets me is neither the left nor the right was addressing any of the issues that are actually raising health care costs in this country. like old people's families refusing to let them die.

i love working with the seniors here but sometimes they are just borderline vegetables...i can't imagine living like that.

there's so many issues that we have to address culturally, not legally. we're trying to have the best technology, the best medical staff, the longest lives, and the biggest cheeseburgers all at the same time. it just isn't sustainable no matter how we modify the law.

:(

>>8030071

Well to be fair, banking fat cats dying = global economic shitstorm

You know what's funny is that all your "You didn't get mad" did not cost me any money. Wiretapping? Okay, wiretap me telling my friends I'll be seeing them in 10 minutes. I guess I just find it funny how you made You didn't get mad like 15 times and not one of them means a shit to me lol. :3 I hate insurances of all kinds and this forces it on me so I can help save the niggers on welfare. k, thx america!!

>>8030088
What bothers me is that the Republicans had power during this. They were going to let an industry that employs millions of REGULAR PEOPLE die, and then had the balls to call themselves the party of the regular people.

>>8030058
You also forgot bored housewives (and, ok, househusbands, let's be equal opportunity here) who want to have some kind of drama and excitement in their lives and so will rage at any convenient straw-men their party of choice sets up for them.

The only other alternative for these poor bastards is to scrub pots and pans all day and to vacuum floors and listen to the rustle of corn until it drives them to insanity.

So really, its nice to see them becoming politically active, even if they have no fucking idea what they're talking about.

Who the fuck says we didn't get mad?,
I'm not against health care I'm against THIS SPECIFIC HEALTH CARE PLAN, how many times do I and others have to fucking repeat this you neanderthals?

>>8029451
How is that retarded?

>>8030087

Yeah. Health reform without tort reform is a joke.

I don't know how you can work with seniors and love it. The majority of the seniors that came into my pharmacy were the most disagreeable and foul people I have ever met in my life.

I got mad at all those. But I live in Canada.

>>8030128
because they're mostly sitting around and watching tv and playing cars and reading. it's when they get up and do things that they get cranky.

>>8030108
you realize that gm and chrysler are barely even american companies? the chevy aveo is made in south korea and less than 2% of the parts are made in america.

support your american auto worker and buy a honda/toyota/ford :D

>>8030128
Seniors polarize into two camps:

The absolutely adorable old people they put on greeting cards and commercials who always greet you with a smile and a wave and who like to tell you rambing stories about the good old days that end with, "Well I've taken up enough of your time, have a nice day."

Then you have the sour old cunts who behave like spoiled brats and feel entitled to be treated like kings because I'M OLD GOD DAMN IT.

>>8030164
Thanks, but I'd rather support the people I work with and buy a Chrysler.

>>8030164
i still see it as an anti-american company considering that it wasn't allowed to fail.


>>8030173
you'd be surprised at how many of these are the same people.

So is there, like, a sparknotes, back-cover version of the new bill?

Like, something that sums up all of the major points?

The government in Uzbekistan boils "politically incorrect" alive. How does that make you feel?
Am not murrikan btw.

You mad?

No I don't get mad at where the world is going. Only disappoint. That and I'm in apathy 20/7 (4 hours for my sleep)

Anybody mind summing up this health care bill? Somehow I've been kept completely in the dark about this whole thing.

What's gonna happen?

>>8030264
if you cant afford health insurance, youll be able to afford it now

if you already pay health insurance, youre going to pay more

bout it

>>8030278
And this is bad because?

>>8030278
not who you responded to but I had the same question.

if that's what it boils down to, that ain't so bad. I don't mind paying for others to have basic health care, and if I could already afford it I'm sure paying more won't affect me too badly.

>>8029322

Healthscam will ensure everyone gets to see a doctor, after a 3 hour wait and come out with a thrift bag of cheap end drugs. Or get nothing at all.

>if the last few people made a mess of the country, it'll be okay if we fuck it up even more to eleven

>>8030361
yknow i dont mind it either but we already have expensive health care in this country, and we're in the middle of a recession, it's just the wrong time.

we need to address other underlying issues first before we implement this. massachusetts did not and that's why they have the highest percentage increases in costs per year, and are in debt.

>>8030303
read above ^^^^

>>8030362
actually we wont be able to get cheap drugs even though there was something in the bill that would have allowed that until obama stopped that.

although im angry at democrats for passing this bill, im angry at republicans not letting it slide last year before the idiot democrats took out the few measures in there which would have actually cut costs (besides being able to buy across state lines thats actually still in there)

>>8030031
>conservative owners
Do you even know how ownership of publicly traded corporations works?

>>8030278
>>8030303
I've never been a fan of increasing costs for those that can already afford something. Just like a progressive tax system... but then again, I've learned in economics that progressive tax is actually better for because less income families must spend more than they can save.

However, not to be heartless, but it seems a little unjust to those that can afford it. Why should those that succeeded in life pickup those that didn't?

Like courage wolf says:
They want you to fail, because they don't want to be alone.

>>8030362
This.

>>8030278
>you're going to pay more
THIS is why I hate the bill. I hate people. I hate supporting all you worthless 4chan racists, drug users, pedophiles, addicted /s/ freaks, worthless /v/ freaks, everything. But I'm supporting you. Fuck your global community, because you - like me - only care about yourself anyway.

>>8030430
it has nothing to do with me, i dont pay for my health insurance, it has to do with the sustainability our entire economy.

>>8030428
>Why should those that succeeded in life pickup those that didn't?

Because even though its inconvenient, and even though it will be costly, and even though it will be abused and taken advantage of, and even though they may or may not deserve it, and even though it may not even work, and even though we may hate it every step of the way, we have to do it anyway because, god damn it, its the right thing to do.

Rich people fly to America for their healthcare. Why? Because of the high standard, quality of care and medical innovation offered by the current system. What this reform will do is remove everything that was good about it, and bring it down to the level more fitting of a third world country.

I'm not even American and I understand this shit.

>>8030481
i would say the right thing to do is to address aforementioned (scroll up thread) that would actually bring down the cost of health care so that everyone with a job could afford it. if you're too sick to work that's what medicaid is for (which is broke...and the bill expands it...but its still a good system that just needs some fixing)

>>8030483
oh we'll still have the best technology and the best doctors, we just wont have enough because more people are going to be casually utilizing the system. this is already happening here in mass.

>>8030481

You don't get it.

If its not going to work, its not worth doing.
If you have two options that are unacceptable by both sides involved, find an alternative third option that has a positive effect. Do what Kirk would do.

>>8030527
shatner.jpg

>>8030527
And what would that option be in this case?