No, that's stupid. What are you, high?

>>786390

thats not a theory, it's an idea supported by nothing.
this is why people say "evolution is just a theory"

That's a good analogy, but a retarded theory.
Humans have been around long before computers, how would we be able to be modeled after computers?
not sure why I'm even explaining this, 5/10

look up ect, that's probably closer to what you're thinking of.

i remain unconvinced that there is any continuity of consciousness EVER. You exist, and make a decision based on some idea of 'things that have happened' with no regard for consistency.

I think the brain just needs to process all the information you have gathered during the day, if you don't sleep your brain will be overloaded with shit and it has no idea where to put it.

I don't see much evidence to support your theory
there are much more valid theories concerning the matter, ones influenced by tests and studies and neurology and psychology. You just kind of guessed

>>786429
>mfw maybe we should start changing word culture to shift everyday use of word "theory" to "hypothesis"
>mfw too many syllables
Fuck.

How do scientists not know? I would first observe the chemicals released into the brain/throughout the body while getting no sleep. Then I would observe behavior. Then I would read a fucking book on evolution. I would see how sleeping fixes the chemical imbalances brought on from lack of sleep. I would see how the brain reacts to all of this. By then I should have a fucking theroy. Do scientists really not know?!

No, because your brain is actually more active at night than during the day.

>>786432
That's why it's an analogy.

Are you me, OP? I came up with pretty much this exact idea too.

Gee I'm sure that the countless scientists who make a living studying sleep haven't thought of that one before.

>>786432
>doesn't understand that computer were modeled after the human brain

Look into Ada Byron's work in mechanical computer programming. While you're at it read some of her father's poetry. Nothing to do with programming but it's great stuff.

>>786468
They know exactly how it happens, but they don't know why

>>786390

>you die everyday when you fall asleep

you know thats actually an interesting statement, I often think what death would feel like, to be more specific the transfer from being aware to the point where you can't feel or observe anything.
I think it's a lot like faling asleep

>>786526
Asking my autistic brother... he knows all answers to anything and everything science

Autism makes him king of all scientists

That's actually how Buddhism views consciousness.
>not OC

>>786539
I'm fascinated by the state right between consciousness and sleep. It's called hypnogogia, and you can learn to put yourself in it. It also leads to lucid dreams. If death is like this, it shall be sweet.

Because we get tired /thread

but no really our bodies/mind gets worked while processing outside information so it goes into sleep mode and fixes everything back up that's why you also grow 3 times faster while you sleep and this is why teenagers and babies sleep fucking all day everyday we're an engine and everyday we reach max on the outside information we take in may it be physical or mental when you're tired it's best you go the fuck to sleep your body is telling you it's in the red and could use some catching up, just my theroy

>>786586
Punctuation is hard.
76

>>786598
Didn't feel like it, nigger.

>your consciousness from yesterday is dead, the new one thinks it's the old one

So, it's completely redundant; it shouldn't even be considered, it's that redundant.

>>786562
I am OBSESSED with the transition from awake to asleep.

Wich is why I have insomnia.
I keep paying attention to when I will actually fall asleep.

>>786631
It's incredible. Ah, now. You need to clear your mind of concious thought, and let it wonder by itself. First words, then pictures, and finally moving images come before you hover on the bridge. The finally you will most likely slip into a lucid dream, the ultimate in heightened consciousness.
Fuck I get carried away. Might have a little nap...

OP here,but why could it be not possible?
>1. we don't know why we sleep
>2. we don't know what consciousness is

>>786484
other regions of the brain are active while the part which is responsible for your consciousness is off
>>786453
if there would be evidence, than we would probably know this since 70 years or so

>>786586
what if your body gets tired because he reached the max on information and because the body needs a rest. So the brain shuts down ( you die in this moment) , filters usefull and useless information, than boots up again ( the moment when you start living again)
also you know the moment when you wake up and for a second or two you don't know where you are and what you do until you remember?

>>786656
no your brain works much harder when you're asleep

>>786687
Wrong. Most cognition is from sensory input, of which there is none when asleep.

>>786586
Whether you study hard ot stare at a wall all day, you still need approximately the same amount of sleep at about the same time. If the mind tired out like that, you'd expect to fall asleep after a few hours of studying or after a week of staring at a wall.

>>786713
you're still processing a smiliar amount of outside information, thanks to Mr.Eyes.

>>786703
brain works much harder while asleep, do some research

>>786713
This is also wrong. Hard thought uses more energy, in a similar way to a computer getting warmer when doing more tasks.

>mfw i try to understand

>>786723
>Do some research
I got a 1st Psychology degree from York. If the brain worked harder when asleep, then being awake would be more relaxing, which is obviously not the case. Please think before insulting me.

>>786739
DO MORE RESEARCH

also, gtfo with pseudoscience...

>>786753
Oh nigger please.
>>>/b/

>>786739
dreaming/actually keeping you asleep takes about the same amount of energy as being awake does, then you have to add the body fixing everything while you're sleeping

psych degree my assssss

>>786651
I really want to learn how to lucid dream on command, usually I just realize I'm dreaming halfway through.

I just want to use it to fuck hot bitches ;_;

>>786776
That's better. Because there is no sensory input, the brain can direct attention to growth an repair. As I said before, it needs to "cool down", and so LESS ENERGY is actually used. If the same amount was used, there would be no benefit of sleep.

>>786815
You seem to misunderstand how sleeping works then. It's not letting your body catch up. It's CATCHING your body up. Imagine when you're playing a video game and you hit a speed boost, that is basically sleep.

>>786789
Google is your friend. No but seriously, it's worth doing. Lucid dreaming is one of THE most fulfilling things you could possibly do, and I'm not exaggerating.

Uh
>Implying the brain shuts off during sleep

Take psych 101, bitch nigga.

>>786831
>Catching your body up
>Implying the body can get anywhere without the brain
> Implies he knows more than me about sleep.
I don't intend to turn this nasty, I'm enjoying the discussion.

>>786838
but it shuts down regions of your brain so you aren't awake

>>786866
Your brain works at a hyperproductive state. Kay? Shit.

>>786390

No, that doesn't make any sense.

You're assuming a distinction between long and short term memory that doesn't exist in those kinds of terms. Yes, there's long-term encoding pathways, but they aren't singular, and memory isn't so neatly packaged like that. There are a lot of different types of memory to start with, and different activation patterns for skill tasks and direct factual recall, for instance.

Basically you're assuming a distinction between short and long term memory that we don't have evidence for. Yes, we study both, but that's convinient means of differentiation study positions on a continuum more than it's hard lines.

We've studied sleep a lot, and it's still unclear what the purpose of it is, that much is true. But you're actually parroting thoughts that were pretty much the first ideas about why we sleep and they've never been upheld conclusively.

>>786836
>Lucid dreaming is one of THE most fulfilling things you could possibly do, and I'm not exaggerating.

I like my dreams so much that trying lucid dreaming would feel like making a correction to a masterpiece painting. (I'm not implying my dreams are masterpieces visually or narratively, but I love them as they are).

I'd literally hate to do it.

>>786871

No, it doesn't.

Psych PhD here - you see different patterns of brainwave activity as you progress through sleep, s1-4 and then REM. At no point does the brain 'shut down'. There is no evidence for that whatsoever.

>>786937
maybe "shut down" is the wrong word
i mean something in our brains stops working when we are sleeping, because why is our mind not present when we sleep?

>>787070
I think it's not that something gets shut down, the brain just enters another state. Hence why the different wavelines, REM and all this stuff.

I recall reading or hearing somewhere that sleep is when your mind processes everything you did during the day. I have no idea how much of that is backed up by research, but I do know that after a long day of studying or working (especially if I deprive myself of sleep) I have had difficulty thinking properly. When I wake up the next day it is like my brain has been "reset" and that all of the stuff that was right at the front of my conscious thought is just a memory.

OP's theory is flawed in some ways, but I do think the idea of short term vs. long term memory does likely have something to do with a need for sleep.

interesting thread
bumpity bump

fail.

our bodies are like cars, you need food and sleep to go just like a car needs fuel and batteries

>>786390
The human brain may be a computer, but it doesn't function the in same way as traditional human-built computers.

Memory and processing occur in the same medium (generally). This contrasts with traditional computers where the CPU and RAM are completely separate.

There's still a lot more to learn about how brains function, but your idea is complete garbage unless you can support it with emperical or even theoretical evidence.

>>786836
No..not really. In the end it's just a dream. I'd rather make my waking life as awesome as possible than waste time making my dreams better.

>have actually read up on sleep-dream theory
>firm understanding of circadian rhythms
>then suddenly this thread

The best description I can put down for you guys is that it just so happened that the brain can get a lot more done when asleep. At least, in terms for a few key functions. Certain hormones aren't released at any other time than REM phase sleep, for instance. As well, I subscribe to the theory that dreams (at least originally) allowed for a problem-solving / consolidation of memory experience, by "replaying" stimulus from the waking hours and relating it to other known stimulus.

All this stuff about comparing the mind to a computer oversimplifies the brain.

I just shut down Firefox and I have plenty of RAM unused and I never have to sleep/

Also, assuming this thread isn't dying RIGHT NOW, I noticed a the "you die every day when you sleep bit". Think of a movie projected on to a screen. Each frame takes off after the other such that it appears they are the same thing- just before and after some interval of time. You'd expect it to be continuous, but you know it is segmented- an illusion.

Thus is all biological life. Except we aren't segments with clear borders, we're millions of millions of impulses and stimuli. Without the whole, no cell has consciousness, but each cell is separate. Moment to moment, these signals are different, and the framework that facilitates them has slightly altered in conformation. Accordingly, the whole is slightly different. We don't die every time our consciousness is interrupted so that we may sleep, we were never "alive" in the sense of a maintained consciousness.

>>788321
Are you actually claiming that science knows why we have to sleep?

Because it doesn't, and I have no idea how you could have missed that, considering you know all of these things.

>>788442
I never exactly claimed that, in that I never gave a REASON why. I just said life mutated such that the state existed, and the state came to facilitate other functions that give the individual an advantage. Accordingly, it became a dominant trait / phenotype / clusterfuckof100different things / whatever you want to call it.

In my opinion, which has no tenure or anything silly like that I'll admit, it came about, was good, and shit happened so that certain things now only happen during it and we need it.

>>788484
And you think science has a comprehensive overview over the function and importance of sleep?

Okay, I'll examine the plausibility of your theory.


>our brain is just a computer, a biological computer
A fairly valid statement, the interaction between neurones in the brain is similar to what goes on in a processor.

>you get tired because your RAM is full and needs a reboot
Also true, the neurotransmitter chemicals that send signals between two neurones eventually ware out, and your body needs time to reformulate them, which is partly why we sleep.


>when you wake up your brain reboots from memorys, your memory is the part of the brain who saves everyday shit, it's your HDD
Again, I would say valid, but in the case of the brain there would be much more RAM than HDD: probably more like 5 terrabytes of RAM compared to 100GB of HDD.

>your consciousness from yesterday is dead, the new one thinks it's the old one
Difficult to say, because obviously your consciousness is a combination between two things: activity and traits hardwired into you brain, and random thought, generated by the input of information into that system.
I don't think your consciousness can change completely because of how it's hardwired, but I think that it will be different to how it was the day before due to differing types of input.

>you die everyday when you fall asleep
As I discuss above, true to a certain extent, but there is the issue of hardwired behaviour. And your memories do actually SHAPE your consciousness, so I don't think you can become a completely different person overnight.

>>788550
Not all inclusive understanding, but people like William C. Dement have been putting out papers, books and studies for at least 30 or 40 years at this point. It's safe to say we know what happens where and can confirm quite a few hypothesis related.

>to this day people don't know why we need sleep

Yes we do you dense fuck, it's to organize memories and give the over-used or in your case under muscle called the brain a chance to relax.

>>788636
>>788624
>It's safe to say we know what happens
No, it's not. We know a few things, but far from all of them. We know when, say, delta/slow waves emerge, and we vaguely know what functions (declarative memory encoding) they are related to, but how?
Just as one random example.

I think it's because waking life is an incredibly intense experience. We need an escape, a place to go to relieve ourselves of this insanity that is occurring, left we kill ourselves to escape.
Imagine what life would be like if you were always awake, no rest, no stops from the moment your born till the moment you die (most likely from suicide).

http://www.jneurosci.org/content/30/26/9007.full
http://thebrain.mcgill.ca/flash/d/d_11/d_11_cr/d_11_cr_cyc/d_11_cr_cyc.html
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1690
http://www.fi.edu/learn/brain/sleep.html

We do not know why we must sleep, why people need more than others and a few do not need sleep at all. Stop saying we know, when we don't know the real reason.

Let's learn about the brain together!

Reasons why animals sleep:
>shut down muscular activity / stop moving so the body can heal more efficiently
>save energy while waiting for slower biological processes to progress or better hunting times
>brain uses that time to do maintenance stuff it can't do while awake
and, for more evolved mammals
>avoid boredom
and this is where r9k competes with sleep.