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  • Kimmo Alm aka "Sysop" from AnT has been spamming us for YEARS now, and has recently stepped it up. This shit has got to fucking stop. As promised, here are all of the e-mails he has sent me over the years (and my responses).

    We've done all we can do about him. We've banned THOUSANDS of proxies, and deleted OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND spam posts. His attacks continue though, and we've reached the limit of what we can do.
    edit: we aren't going to add captcha.

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    168 KB WAT DO Mr. Konata Izumi (¯◡◡¯·) !hKVgwdyGeM 03/11/10(Thu)04:21:30 No.7857423  
    Continuation of >>7856589

    My last post:

    >>7857389

    Wait, really? In fact, do we know the dynamics of his spambot? If he actually is running a botnet and turning AnT posters' computers into zombies, I'm pretty sure that's fucking illegal activity. Maybe Swedish lawfag can clarify that, but yeah, if he's running a botnet to spam us we need to report that shit to WIPO. That is absolutely illegal activity and he will get fucking vanned for that.

    ITT: AnT discussion. Let's get Kimmo vanned once and for all.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:23:39 No.7857439
    This thread has my approval.
    >> Mr. Konata Izumi (¯◡◡¯·) !hKVgwdyGeM 03/11/10(Thu)04:24:41 No.7857447
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    This was posted over at /b/ and in the old thread. Posting it here for resources purposes.
    >> lolrus !!5dmh0nqS7ag 03/11/10(Thu)04:25:29 No.7857452
    >>7857439
    I can't believe that made it past the filter.

    Anyway, Sysop is probably the only constant cancer that this site has had. Everything else seems to come and go with the trends, but this asshole just doesn't stop. He's also crazy. Let's get him arrested.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:25:34 No.7857454
    >>7857447
    If this is novel to you, you need to go check out the ED page on him.

    Not being rude, just saying it's got a vast amount of info on him.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:26:11 No.7857457
    What I don't get is

    >This shit has got to fucking stop
    >We've done all we can do about him
    >We've reached the limit of what we can do.


    >we aren't going to add captcha.

    We have a solution in our hands that most sane anons wouldn't oppose that would kill the spam forever.
    >> A Rather Thin Fellow !!rWeckNTN0Lw 03/11/10(Thu)04:26:52 No.7857459
    >>7857452
    Wow, come to think of it, you're right. Even bachelor frog has died down. But AT shit just keeps coming. Fuck.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:28:21 No.7857464
    >>7857457
    I oppose it, and so does moot.

    That's good enough for Anon, it's good enough for you tripfags too.
    >> Mr. Konata Izumi (¯◡◡¯·) !hKVgwdyGeM 03/11/10(Thu)04:28:31 No.7857466
    >>7857454

    I hadn't seen the social over there, and it's good to have here regardless. Just have it all right in front of us.

    >>7857452

    /r9k/ is trying to think of a logical solution to this fucking problem. The only logical solution, outside of a captcha which some people oppose for various reasons, is something that will keep this fucker away from the internet.

    Allegedly, the spambot is a botnet composed of AnT users, who are unwillingly added to the net when they post. This implies he's running a zombie network, which is against WIPO code and can and will get him fucking vanned. We need to find out the dynamics of the botnet and find out if it's actually and honest zombie network. If it is, that's all the ammo we need to take this fucking prick down.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:28:49 No.7857468
    >>7857423
    Viruses can be illegal as Malicious mischief in Sweden, but there's no case law available so it's uncertain.

    There are no Swedish laws against spamming on forums.
    >> Mr. Konata Izumi (¯◡◡¯·) !hKVgwdyGeM 03/11/10(Thu)04:30:17 No.7857476
    A reminder: here is a list of websites you can report the site as a pedophile website.

    * Norway: https://tips.kripos.no/cmssite.asp?c=1&s=6&menu=2
    * Sweden: http://www.ecpathotline.se/ also childabuse@rkp.police.se
    * Denmark: https://www.politi.dk/da/hjaelppolitiet/itkriminalitet/
    * Finland: http://www.pelastakaalapset.fi/nettivihje/fi/etusivu
    * UK:https://secure.crimestoppers-uk.org/ams.form.anonymous.asp also https://www.ceop.gov.uk/ceop_report_form.aspx
    * Poland: http://dyzurnet.pl/
    * Slovenia: https://www.spletno-oko.si/prijava/
    * Latvia: http://netsafe.lv/pub/report.php?lang=lat
    * Greece: http://www.safeline.gr/
    * Australia: http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD..PC/pc=PC_90103
    * Italy: http://www.stop-it.org/ and also http://www.hot114.it/
    * Canada: https://www.cybertip.ca/app/en/report
    * France: http://www.pointdecontact.net/
    * Belgium: http://www.stopchildporno.be/index.php?step=1&pid=4
    * Luxemburg: http://www.lisa-stopline.lu/
    * Spain: http://www.protegeles.com/
    * Czech republic: http://www.internethotline.cz/
    * Lithuania: http://www.draugiskasinternetas.lt/en/main/reports
    * Hungary: http://www.internethotline.hu/
    * Austria: http://www.stopline.at/index.php?id=231&L=9
    * Portugal: http://linhaalerta.internetsegura.pt/
    * Germany: http://www.jugendschutz.net/hotline/index.html also http://www.internet-beschwerdestelle.de/
    * Ireland: http://www.hotline.ie/
    * Netherlands: http://www.meldpunt-kinderporno.nl/melding/?lid=1
    * Turkey: http://www.ihbarweb.org.tr/ihbar.html?subject=2

    Complaints relating to the spam and child pornography AnonTalk is spewing everywhere can be sent to:

    -Domain Registrar: Complain to his main registrar at http://www.key-systems.net/index.php?id=36&L=2 and then complain to the reseller for that registrar that sold him the domain http://www.domaindiscount24.net/?page=about_contact
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:30:30 No.7857478
    Law takes too long.

    Does Kimmo rent? Would his landlord be interested?

    How about his datacentre, how can they be convinced to stop hosting his websites?

    Can his mother be irritated sufficiently to place pressure on her son?

    In other words, irritate the people and organisations around him sufficiently enough that they stop delivering physical mail, they don't want him in their stores, they don't pick up his garbage, etc. Kimmo is insane, the people around him might be sane enough to lose him as a customer if it stops potential problems.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:31:09 No.7857482
    >>7857464
    Why do you oppose it? And why does moot oppose it?
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:31:29 No.7857483
    >>7857466
    A user who is posting on Anontalk could unknownly become a zombie computer.

    Just a thought.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:31:47 No.7857485
    >>7857476

    OP from the first and second (third?) post here. Deleted the continuation thread I made for the sake of continuity. Going to bed now but thanks for reposting the report info.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:32:46 No.7857492
    >>7857478
    >Does Kimmo rent? Would his landlord be interested?

    Good idea. His landlord would not be amused about his building hosting a child pornography ring.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:32:55 No.7857495
    >>7857478
    >How about his datacentre, how can they be convinced to stop hosting his websites?

    The same datacentre hosts (or hosted) The Pirate Bay and currently hosts pedofil.se, a Swedish pedophilia site. Good luck.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:33:13 No.7857499
    >>7857468
    Since its spamming US forums, there should be long arm jurisdiction.

    Anybody know what the laws are in the US about spamming?
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:33:17 No.7857500
    >>7857482
    I don't want to type out a crappy 4 letter word every time I post. I'm fucking lazy.

    moot has some theory about it going against the spirit of the site or something, I dunno. He's made a pretty special community here, so I just trust his word in these matters.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:33:27 No.7857502
    >>7857482

    I oppose it, because it's nice to be beyond the days of logging into myspace. It's a completely defensive tactic, withdrawing from the internet when we should be dealing with the source.
    >> Mr. Konata Izumi (¯◡◡¯·) !hKVgwdyGeM 03/11/10(Thu)04:33:57 No.7857504
    >>7857468

    Swedish law doesn't apply here, bro. Botnets/zombie networks are illegal according to WIPO code. Interpol will enforce WIPO decisions. At the very least, if this shit is brought to WIPO and WIPO rules against him, if he isn't flat-out arrested he'll be brought to court and probably fined more money than he'll ever have.

    You think botnets are illegal in Nigerian law? Of course not. But they're illegal according to WIPO and Nigerian authorities have to follow WIPO decisions. That's how international authorities have any power in shutting down spam networks in other countries.

    If we get evidence that his spambot is powered by illegal forms of networking like a botnet then we can report him to WIPO.

    And, in addition, another anon mentioned that false DMCA reports are also illegal in WIPO code. False DMCA reports like the ones he's allegedly made incriminating tiny.4chan.org/Tinychan. Tinychan has absolutely no code from AnT. We can submit that as evidence to WIPO, they'll incriminate him, probably though out-the-ass fines, for submitting a false DMCA report.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:34:01 No.7857506
    >>7857492
    Ilikewherethisisgoing.swf
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:34:17 No.7857509
    >>7857495

    I'm not saying ask them pretty please to stop hosting the site because it hosts child porn and they should be morally outraged.

    I'm saying that if his business is worth less than the problems it causes them, they might let go.
    >> I HAVE A GREAT IDEA FOR A MOVIE Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:35:13 No.7857518
    Anyone in western Russia, Estonia, Finland, etc. can do it pretty easily.

    Buy a gun in a former Commie country. Black market is good times. Drive back to Sweden. Do the deed. Bleach the whole fucking thing. Maybe gasoline/natural gas from the stove his apartment in order to maximize destruction of evidence. Collect shell casings. Take gun into pieces, soak in bleach, file serial numbers off, toss into ocean.

    Go home. Sleep.

    How do you guys like my idea about a hitman movie?
    >> Mr. Konata Izumi (¯◡◡¯·) !hKVgwdyGeM 03/11/10(Thu)04:36:08 No.7857522
    >>7857499

    Once again, we need a lawfag.

    >>7857483

    That's exactly what I'm trying to say. If he's actually running a zombie net comprised of unknowing users of his website (the poor souls), then he's committing an illegal act. Period.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:37:02 No.7857526
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    >>7857504
    >Interpol
    Looks like it's up to Inspector Zenigata.
    >> Mr. Konata Izumi (¯◡◡¯·) !hKVgwdyGeM 03/11/10(Thu)04:37:26 No.7857529
    >>7857509

    Datacenter won't give a fuck. They hosted Pirate Bay, for Christ's sake. The datacenter MIGHT give a fuck, however, if evidence is found that this fucker is running a botnet.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:38:03 No.7857533
    >>7857457
    4chan isn't somebodies halfassed proboard. It's a full fledged website that should be able to stand on its own and not need captcha.

    Instead if something is done about Kimmo it makes a deterrant for other spammers to ignore here and go back to peddling their scams over email.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:38:55 No.7857538
    I like the idea of telling his mom what he's up to. I'm sure she wouldn't be happy about having raised a pedo.
    I'm not saying it'll stop him, but at the very least it would be entertaining.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:39:35 No.7857544
    >>7857499
    I guess this is relevant


    http://www.switched.com/2007/11/30/teen-botnet-leader-arrested-in-new-zealand/
    >> (っ・ω・)っDojo²¹--道場(っ・ω・)っ !21SXES.V9. 03/11/10(Thu)04:40:00 No.7857549
    ALL YOU NIGGAS.
    >>>/int/412455
    >>>/b/205613618
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:40:10 No.7857550
    >>7857529
    He's a huge liability. He's in debt, and constantly under attack. Furthering both would give them cause for dropping him. Botnet evidence would be hard to come by, and all this plan needs is more /b/tards DDoSing.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:40:21 No.7857552
    >>7857518
    The part about the three-day drive sounds rather drawn out and the villian could be a bit more evil.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:41:23 No.7857555
    >>7857552

    Some character background on his victim would be appreciated too.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:41:28 No.7857556
    >>7857538
    What with the notices posted all over her aparetment, through their letterbox and down the street, I think she knows by now.

    Read the ED page, you require more info, yes, I know it's ED, but do it for moot.
    >> Mr. Konata Izumi (¯◡◡¯·) !hKVgwdyGeM 03/11/10(Thu)04:41:35 No.7857557
    >>7857544

    >FBI

    AH-HA! Now we've got something! There IS long-arm jurisdiction, meaning we can start reporting this fucker to our authorities here in Amerikka.

    Also, this:

    http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=343

    We need to contact his ISP and give them evidence of botnet. Moot needs to give us everything single shred of information he has on the spambot, as well as testimony, if we want this shit to go anywhere.

    KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:41:41 No.7857558
    >>7857504
    He lives in Sweden so Swedish law apply. Interpol can't do shit if it's legal in Sweden.

    Sweden does not have a Extradition treaty with the US.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:42:12 No.7857561
    The exact conditions under which he adds clients is not well understood.

    I suspect he runs port scans from his server logs to look for potential victims, then adds them at some point in the future when they post.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:42:35 No.7857563
    >>7857529
    Let's try to formulate a feasible plan then.

    Personally I think we should refrain from DDOS/sitehax attacks. This could backfire on us and completely ruin our credibility if we plan on involving higher authorities. "Attacks" make this seem like a petty internet rivalry. We need to figure out a way to keep /b/ in check though.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:42:36 No.7857564
    lol@ all the ideas, from murder to calling the police...
    >> Mr. Konata Izumi (¯◡◡¯·) !hKVgwdyGeM 03/11/10(Thu)04:43:08 No.7857566
    >>7857550

    He's already been dropped by I think three other datacenters. He'll just find another. He needs to get vanned. That is the only fucking solution to this shit. Even if AnT gets taken down, Sysop as a person will still exist and will still fucking spam us because he doesn't like us and he's completely delusional.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:44:21 No.7857570
    >>7857563

    >We need to figure out a way to keep /b/ in check though.

    ...
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:44:47 No.7857572
    >>7857563
    Its... too late for /b/, they've already released the beast and summoned 888chan I'm sure the remnants of GNAA are hard at work too
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:46:24 No.7857592
    >I'm sure the remnants of GNAA are hard at work too
    I lol'd hard.
    I imagined them getting back together and imagined them as the A-Team.

    >_>

    Anyways, continue. I like where this is going.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:46:43 No.7857596
    >>7857570
    Yeah, I know. I started laughing when I realized what I had written. :| Goddamnit, I swear. I feel like /b/ is our retard brother. Sometimes he does clever shit and it's funny and we pat him on the back but when he gets mad and releases that retard strength it's like, wat do.

    >>7857557
    Approaching it from the botnet angle works. I don't think we should ease up on the pedo issue one bit though. Two pronged attack?
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:46:50 No.7857597
    >>7857563
    If you can stand /b/, get in there and keep telling them what's up, there seem to be enough people who know DDOS is stupid, but it needs to be reiterated a lot.
    >> Mr. Konata Izumi (¯◡◡¯·) !hKVgwdyGeM 03/11/10(Thu)04:47:05 No.7857601
    >>7857558

    I don't believe BOTNETS are legal in Sweden.

    And even if they are, the most feasible solution I think is reporting him for filing false DMCA claims. World Intellectual Property Organization does not fuck around when it comes to that shit.
    >> A Rather Thin Fellow !!rWeckNTN0Lw 03/11/10(Thu)04:47:52 No.7857606
    >>7857572
    Yeahh, once you get them going, it's too late.

    GNAA might actually do more than 4chan can, though. Didn't they spam 4chan back in the day?
    >> Mr. Konata Izumi (¯◡◡¯·) !hKVgwdyGeM 03/11/10(Thu)04:47:59 No.7857607
    >>7857596

    Dude, several prong attack. As I just said, the most feasible angle to work is the false DMCA angle. At the very least he'll be fined out his ass for that.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:48:59 No.7857611
    >>7857607

    DMCA? Really? Nobody of real importance is losing money over him and hence nobody else will give a shit.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:50:28 No.7857618
    Known ways of stopping him.

    1. Physical. Unable to operate a computer.

    2. Legal. In jail.

    3. Financial: Too broke to host.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:51:42 No.7857626
    >>7857618
    You can take 3 off that list.

    I don't know what funds him, but he's already broke.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:51:56 No.7857627
    >>7857618

    4. Making nobody want to associate with him ever.
    >> Mr. Konata Izumi (¯◡◡¯·) !hKVgwdyGeM 03/11/10(Thu)04:51:59 No.7857628
    >>7857611

    Regardless of any money involved, the dude apparently submitted a DMCA claim over Tinychan's alleged theft of his code. WIPO takes that shit seriously and will at least fine the fucker. Though it may go to court and that'll mean moot will have to go to court as well, which would suck for him.

    Again, regardless of money, WIPO does care about DMCA claims. Look up the whole "Glenn Beck 1990" WIPO thing. They deal with petty shit like this all the time.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:53:04 No.7857630
    >>7857626
    Make him more broke. He's probably being supported by his mother, who he lives with. Give her a reason to finally give up on him.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:53:38 No.7857635
    >>7857618
    Financial is probably the best bet. He was hit hard by the last attacks thanks to his host charging him for the extra bandwidth used.

    Get him fired by harassing the pizza takeaway, get him kicked out of his flat by telling the landlord about his website.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:54:22 No.7857639
    >>7857628

    Yeah, glenn beck, famous worldwide fox news figurehead, has access daily to thousands of thousands of viewers.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:54:39 No.7857640
    >>7857630
    Anyone know his mother's number?
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:54:49 No.7857642
    Guys I think 888chan has got the attack part covered. I think it is /r9k/ duty to think of ways to legally interfere.

    heres 888chans thread : http://888chan.org/i/res/114195.html#114195

    for those that don't go to the other chans when shit like this happens even though they dislike 4chan they always feel a need to protect the "motherboard". Sorta makes me feel warm inside.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:55:41 No.7857646
    >>7857601
    >I don't believe BOTNETS are legal in Sweden.
    No one knows for sure yet.

    As far as I know, the Glenn Beck thing had nothing to do with DMCA.
    >> Mr. Konata Izumi (¯◡◡¯·) !hKVgwdyGeM 03/11/10(Thu)04:56:39 No.7857650
    >>7857639

    Yes, but the website in question was a petty little nothing. That's the only case I can think of off the top of my head but I'm pretty sure there are other examples involving small sites that aren't tied to larger public entities.

    The only other example I can think of is South Butt/North Face, but again, smaller examples with tinier sites wouldn't be published. Besides, 4chan is one of the most popular communities in the world, and Sysop is accusing it of theft. I'm pretty sure WIPO would take that seriously.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:56:48 No.7857652
    >>7857499
    robot nigga nigga floppy chan

    >>Since its spamming US forums, there should be long arm jurisdiction

    Hi, I have a degree from Internet Law School
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:59:13 No.7857659
    I lost the address to the pizza place where he might work. I'm gonna pay a visit today.
    Anyone care to give the address?
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)04:59:16 No.7857660
    nothing drastic need be done. Some tough guys just need to have a face to face discussion with him and make him back off. When you have guys around and following and shit, you aren't so tough anymore.
    >> A Rather Thin Fellow !!rWeckNTN0Lw 03/11/10(Thu)05:01:54 No.7857667
    >>7857635
    Oh, now that's a decent angle I hadn't thought about.

    Anons living nearby, try to purposely have him serve you. When he does, try to start up some form of argument with him. Preferably, a way that makes him look REALLY pissed off and you can play it off as if you're innocent and he's being an asshole.

    Afterwards, talk with management and report him or something. Get him fired.
    >> Anonymous 03/11/10(Thu)05:02:16 No.7857669
    >>7857660

    We're 2 swedish guys(from Andromeda) and that's what we're about to do later tonight.
    I asked for his work address already, asking again.



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