Give him some weed and take him to a party with a lot of cute girls. While hes high, tell him he can never get any of them if all he does is play video games.

>>7775368
con't

Now, maybe he's in a phase or some shit, he has had a girlfriend in the past, although all they did was text. But now I think he jumped off the cliff into social retard land.

After failing English because he is a lazy fuck, he decided to not take the chance to redo a test to boost his grade. He doesn't aspire to do anything, and I doubt he thinks about his adult future.

What really angered me was he bought WoW today. Now I know I might get flamed for saying that. But I saw that WoW before and after pic with that jock kid, and I'm pretty sure that will happen to him.

So Robots,
wat do?

>>7775410
He smoked once, but he got caught by my parents since he came home with red eyes since he smoked only 30 minutes before. That's not an option unfortunately...

Also new name to keep track of my posts.

bump
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my brother was like this in high school but snapped out of it once when he went off to college. i think he just considered all the kids in his school lame and wanted nothing to do with them. i don't blame him -- our hometown was/is full of dumb hicks.

I think that WoW shit you're thinking of was just some guy keeping track of his weight loss, and reversed, and WoW had no part in it.

But yeah, your brother is setup for a shitty time. I was that kid, but I had no cool older brother, who actually wanted to do shit with me anyway.

If he keeps fucking up in school, your parents should interfere, or you should coax them into doing so. Good news though, if he's half as obsessed with WoW as he is with MW2, he'll fuck up in school. A LOT.

why does it even matter

Make him start to deal drugs and get a cut of the profits.

No but seriously, introduce him to alcohol, get some hot girl to speak to him. If things go good he'll get off his Xbox and start getting Bjs

>>7775522
My parents won't do shit because they never do. I had to drag myself out of a drug addiction, and all they did was belittle me. I'm thinking of just fucking swapping out his graphics card from a 8800GT to a 6200 LE, so he can't play, and since he doesn't know shit, I can just blame it as a virus. But I'm not sure if that will make him stop being such a fuckup.

>>7775572
How could I do that when he would rather play online than experience new things?

Give him the option of bettering himself. If he doesn't take it, let him fuck up.

It's his life he's ruining. Ten years down the line when he's sitting in mom's basement, fat, balding and greasy, and comes to you saying "Bro, my life is ruined, I have no friends, I am a loser. All I have are video games." you can look him in the eye and say "I gave you a chance, kid. You dug your own grave."

Seriously, you need to stop being a bleeding heart. Not everyone needs saved.

Besides, maybe he's happy with what he's doing and always will be, and isn't that what you want for your brother?

>>7775630
get with the times man. online is the new real-life.

going out, real people, etc etc. shit is passe. escapism in the form of fantasy is where it's at.

Go to an awesome party, talk about your exploits, then play some COD, that way he'll see you can have fun and be a casual gamer. Also, COD is shit online.

You're overreacting, which is totally understandable. You're a good older brother. But basically you have to accept that your brother is going to fuck shit up horribly just like we all do and then he will learn a lesson and man up. That basically happens to all of us.

Best you can do is try to take him to parties and shit but really he's his own person and you should stop taking so much responsibility for him/learn to put up with his faggotry because other people put up with yours (i.e. we're all faggots in some ways).

>>7775651
Very insightful. I think that's a very good idea. He's only 17, so should I give him time, or should I try that plan now?

>>7775630
>>7775607
man, my parents never stepped in either. :( I don't know then. Kids can be stubborn as fuck if they aren't kept in check.

>>7775630
Invite him to hang out with you and your friends. If he refuses, keep asking. If he continues to deny going, when hes not playing, unplug his xbox and hide it somewhere.

Tell him hes not aloud it back until he goes and hangs out with some friends, or maybe chills with you.

If your feeling more risky sell the xbox and tell him it got stolen or something.

OP, either lock up all his toys until he makes a plan for his life, or opens up to you, or destroy it. Burn the copy of WoW. Find his porn, show it to your parents. Build a case against him, make a list of grievances.

Install several viruses on his computer, then report him to steam for hacking get them to ban him.

I had a similar phase for about 4 years, I would try to have a convo with your brother soon if I were you.

>>7775674
This is the way to go. Show him how easy it is to have an active IRL social life and online social life at the same time.

Just to clarify, he is a PC gamer, not an Xbro. Also, I've found Hentai on a folder in his desktop labeled "School".

How exactly does someone "become" a social retard. I've been one since kindergarten. Has he been more social in the past, or has he always been a bit of a dweeb?

>>777575
Get him to smoke some weed.

How about you just let him do whatever the fuck he wants? I can guarantee you that he doesn't want your half-assed sympathy and does not want to go to parties with you.

>>7775677
Give him the option now.

Then in a few months, give him another chance. Don't try pushing your views of what he should be doing onto him.

Always give him the option of hanging or partying with you whenever it's available. Every time he doesn't take it, it's his fault.

Extensive online time over real person to person social interaction leads to depression which causes a lack of interest in almost everything which makes the problem worse.

>>7775763
He was actually a very happy kid up until he started going to middle school. He started particiapating less and less in school, and more gaming and he stopped watching Cartoons (Like fucking Timmy Turner or whatever it was) only after his 17th birthday.

FUCK YOU

Kid is a nerd and that's okay, you fucking dweeb. I could say a buncha words about the meaning and value of being a nerd, and the experience of being a geek, but fuck that, I don't care. Point is, stop tryin' to do whatever you're trying to do. You are the essence of everything that is not the internet, of everything that is normal. Go away.

>>7775800

Sounds like he's suffering from sexual frustration.

>>7775805
He's trying to better someones life, you're trying to hold them back. Go away.

>>7775805
Ok basement dweller. Sorry I broke your secret fort rules.

>>7775819
How so?
mutedfuck!

>>7775412
>wat do?

Drop the 'my way or my way' attitude and STFU would be a good start.

Brofist your bro for me (lolirony).

>>7775820
>implying being a generic frat boy is better than being a nerd
You go away.

>>7775839
Way to go to the extremes bud, I know you don't get out a lot but theres more than two kinds of people out there.

>>7775839
Being social is inherently better than being a recluse

If I had a brother like you, I wouldn't be just now getting a girlfriend and actual real-life friends at the age of 20.

playing a ton of games and shit was a product of nobody wanting to do shit with me.

your little brother is blessed. :(

>>7775854

it is if you are extroverted. believe it or not, but not everyone enjoys partying and drinking. holy shit, I know.

>>7775820
fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, how do you know this person is unhappy, how do you know he's bettering his life, it's possible to be a geek without being a terrible fucking shut-in loser like everybody on here, and being a geek is in fact awesome, fuck you, fuck you

in conclusion, fuck you
>>7775822
not a basement dweller, just a geek who likes geeks, not some asswipe who thinks there's only one way to be happy

>>7775839
I'm not a frat boy. I have a social life. I guess since you don't have one, you may stereotype. I actually had a pretty decent time at college, no INSANE KEG STAND parties, but I had some fun. I got my degree in Criminal Justice, and now in the Police academy.

So fuck off, Neckbeard.

Let your brother scrim with other clans, you anus.

You never know, he might become one of those "professional" gamers and earn thousands for playing a fukken video game.

>>7775805

There is a good, positive sort of abnormality that show you are a better person, and then there is negative abnormality of alterations to your life that amount to nothing coming of it. What man is a man who doesn't do something with his life?

In the very least OP, attempt to re-sterotype society for him. He sees his current situation as not being problematic.

A person may seem happy living this lifestyle in the beginning but it will quickly degrade and it makes life a lot worse in the long run.

>>7775820
While I don't agree with who you're replying to, I don't agree with you, either.

How is it bettering his brother's life? How do you know his brother isn't perfectly happy where he is? At 17 years of age, he should be doing what he wants, and if that means playing video games, let him play video games.

That doesn't mean Big Brother should let the kid piss away his education, or not give him the option of being social. But if the kid doesn't want to be social, forcing him to do so is only going to cause more damage than it'll fix.

I weep for your children if you think "DO WHAT I TELL YOU TO DO, IT'S BETTER FOR YOU" is really the right method.

>>7775899
I'm suggesting that OP have a talk with his brother not force his ideals on him.

>>7775873
I am bettering his life because in the direction he is heading, he will be fucking working at McDonald's. So you tell me how the fuck it's possible to for ME to degrade his life further than what he has done already.

>>7775923
Don't knock McDonalds. Shit is great for just starting out. :(

Guys, please read my original post. I'm not pulling red flags because he is anti-social, although it could be a problem. HE IS FAILING ALL SORTS OF CLASSES IN SCHOOL. NOT A GOOD FUTURE AHEAD HERP DERP.

>>7775942
It's not a bad job for his age, but it's not a great job to have at 25.

>>7775954
There isn't shit you can really do here, without your parents interfering. You already said your parents aren't going to do shit, and your brother doesn't want to do shit with you, so he's probably going to fuck up as far as high school goes.

>>7775954
I've gone down his path with nobody to help and it lead to 4 years of depression and seclusion until recently I had to get my life on track by myself, feels bad man.

>>7775886
lol, fucking police academy. jesus.
>>7775923
>>7775890
alright, first off, how does this shit preclude having a good life? how does this shit lead inexorably to working at mcdonalds? yeah, he needs to try in school, but that's not what you seem to be objecting to and trying to fix. You seem to want him to abandon being a geek and start partying and shit. That's a whole different issue. You want to sit him down and make him get serious about school, fine, but don't go off on this STOP PLAYING VIDEO GAMES AND PARTY IT UP WITH THE REST OF US tip. That's bull.

>>7775899

So you agree with the mindset of "he's young, let him do what he wants"? OP's brother could be getting a jumpstart on life, he could be learning things that could benefit him later on in life, or making money. Look at moot, He spent the better part of four years in the basement. At least he did something with his basement dwelling, what are the chances OP's Bro will become a professional gamer?

If I were OP, I'd have a long talk with my bro, and if he didn't want to become more involved in life, then he should at least be finding a way to sustain himself online.

>>7775923
You have a point about the not working harder on his academic stuff, but with regard to the social stuff just fuck off. Academics aside, your brother sounds just like a young version of me, and I'm now working on my PhD. Your argument is invalid.

>>7775954
Again, you're completely missing the point.

THIS IS NOT YOUR LIFE TO WORRY ABOUT.

If you clearly give him the options of bettering himself and he doesn't do dick all about it, it's HIS FAULT. If he ends up working at McDonalds when he's 25, it's HIS FAULT.

By all means say something to him. But don't corner him and tell him everything he's doing is wrong. Explain to him you're worried. Make a good point, don't hound him.

Like I keep saying, it's his choice in the end, and fucking it up now will be a pretty good learning experience for when he's older.

>>7775890
This. A lot of time people don't even realize what they are doing is ultimately hurting them, or inappropriate as the case may be.

>>7775978
I'm making over 48K in the one year I'm training there. So calm yourself.

For everyone saying his brother isn't bettering his life. You don't understand that introspection and balance are good things? His brother probably isn't trying to force him to live a social life, rather see what it's like.

The best thing you can do is just be there when he needs you, really. If you try to make him change when he doesn't want to change, or isn't ready for a change, you will do nothing but harm the family tie that you and your brother share.

Trust me, dude. My sibling hates me for the same reason.

>>7776014
I'm sure you're paid well, just like all the other idiotic assholes who join the police

If he's an introvert it's better to leave him alone.

Most introverts (myself included) can't stand being around other people, it drains us physically and mentally.

You might be helping him, but there's also a chance he prefers it like this and this is healthier for him.

Also, is it so hard to believe there are some people who don't like partying?

>>7775994
>>7775994

It's his BROTHER, damn it! Not his best friend, not someone he can ditch, but someone who he is stuck with for the rest of his life. Jesus Christ, can't you at least understand what happens to his brother greatly influences him?

>>7776035
You have a point. I can't stop you from hating the police. But you're going to love us when someone breaks into your house and we save you.

>>7776071
Don't feed tha trolls.

>>7776071
I don't hate the police. I accept that they provide a useful service for society. My point is not some FUCK THE POLICE shit. My point is that, without exception, police officers are the stupidest, angriest, most red-necky, asshole portion of whatever population they're drawn from. Police officers as people are generally shit.

Normal people are destroying 4chan.

>>7775954
>I'm not pulling red flags because he is anti-social, although it could be a problem

>5 lines about brother in OP
>4 are about social retardation
>1 is about failing school

>implying your world-view is not transparent as fuck

>>7776054
WTF? you can break brother-brother bond very fucking easily

>>7776054
>brother
>stuck with the rest of your life

Unless he lives in West Virginia, it's not someone he's stuck with for the rest of his life. He's not marrying his brother. He is not his brother's mom. He doesn't have to hold the kid's hand and make sure he does everything right.

I realize your parents and family must have coddled and held you and did everything for you, but as I can plainly see from your reaction here, it's only going to make him weak and dependent in the end.

And never once did I say he should ditch his brother. I said he should let his brother make his own decisions on life, not have other people make them for him.

It's called "growing up" and "learning."

>>7776113
This

Your OP is all about how your brother wants to play video games instead of going to a SICKTIGHT PARTY BRO

OP I think you've made the mistake of asking serious life advice on 4chan. I advise you to go and ask your friends/family.

Thanks everyone for the useful info. I'l take it into consideration. Perhaps some robots are human.

>>7776149

...Then they're not robots...

>>7776165
Thanks for pointing that out, Android bro

>>7775890

This. I was the best gamer in my BF2/BF2142 clan. I was so good, I pissed people off. I realized I didn't have a future gaming though, so I took up other things. Granted, I'm still too closed minded and my new hobbies don't have tons of ways to help a career, but it's better than having none at all.

>>7775607
>and since he doesn't know shit, I can just blame it as a virus.

he has to be very dumb to bite that, really braw.
>>7775677
he is fucking 17

I think Bro OP has the right mindset. I knew I exactly like this and I'm glad my brother stepped in for me. Keep pestering him about going out, doing well in school and shit. I eventually realized I had to work hard and do good, although I realized that a little too late. I could've gotten into some nice universities if I listened to him earlier but I was too antisocial like your bro. Keep doing what you are doing and good luck man.

This.

I would have loved for someone to make me realize what a fucking mistake I was making when I got caught up in all that nonsense. Don't let him get bogged down in that bullshit just because he finds it easier. He'll be kicking himself 3-4 years down the line when he has to start from fucking scratch.

>>7775412
Just tell him to man the fuck up. Pawn his fucking nintendo but tell him he'll get it back when he gets a girlfriend.

>>7776054

Just because someone is a family member, doesn't give them the right to meddle in your life.

OP, let your brother do what he thinks is best. If you think you need to tell him something, ask him to sit and talk with you. If he says no, then don't push it any further.

It's his life to live, not yours.

>>7776124
fucking this.

My younger brother is a drunk, diabetic (these two are a bad combination) moron, who steals shit if bored and used to go about hitting people with lead pipes for fun.
He's also a highly intelligient mamas boy, and is aware of it.
I've told him he's a retard.
That's it. He's his own person and it is his choice what he does. If me not approving doesn't change it, of fucking well.

TL;DR, piss off and let people make their own choices.
your way isn't the only way, and it probably isn't the best way.

>>7776262
Death sticks. They kill you. You want to buy any?

OP I need more info about your brother's situation.

Does he have any real friends?
Does he live in a city?
What other hobbies he may be into, or is it just video games?

Get him away from those games ASAP. I used to be social but then started playing FPS games hardcore. When friends would call I would blow them off and stuff and say that I was too sick to go out so that I could play. Eventually calls stopped and by the start of college I had no friends left.

>>7776246
>I could've gotten into some nice universities if I listened to him earlier but I was too antisocial like your bro.

>implying socialising is what is needed to get into university

What is it with normalfags and thinking that socialising is the be all and end all of everything?
Explains why there is a lower proportion of them at uni I guess :3

>>7776260
No, because he is a family member, it gives him the right to meddle in his life. His brother will go nowhere in life if no one does nothing. Would you like to see a family member become low class trash? I know I wouldn't and neither does the OP.

>>7776292
Fucking this, jesus. Solution in search of a fucking problem.

>>7776260
It's called giving someone a helping hand. I'm sorry your view of humanity is so screwed. Not everyone is a /b/tard.

>>7776253
>>7776246
Confirmed for not having an original thought in their minds.

You need other people to do everything for you? This is the point I'm making here: You didn't listen to people when they told you the first time that you were fucking up, so you kept fucking up.

It's your fault. You were given the option, but never took it. And you know who the only people who are affected by that? You. You are the only people who care that you fucked up.

I stand by my point. Give him the option to hang out/study/work whatever, but if he doesn't take it, he doesn't take it and leave it at that.

Dropping out to play videogames will make it pretty hard to get into college.

>>7776246
>socializing
>Universities
Yeah, there's not a social skills exam ot get in.

It's 100% grades, entrance essay, money, and after-school activities, the attendance of which does not imply friends or a social life.

>>7776324
Dropping out to party is 1000% improvement

>>7776336
Why don't you go "contribute" to a different thread.

>>7776357
Why don't you come up with a better argument :3

So what we learned is choosing videogames over socializing a majority of the time is a nono.

>>7776313
>>7776300
So he should help BECAUSE he's family, or he's only allowed to help because he's family? There are hundreds upon thousands of teenagers who are throwing their lives away to video games, but OP should help this one because it's his brother?

See, what you bleeding hearts don't understand is that for every problem you fix, there's hundreds more waiting. By your logic OP should be helping everyone he knows who has a problem, just because he's their "friend", or because it's "family".

I'll say it, one more time: It is not OP's job to make sure his brother does right by his life. It's OP's job to make sure his life is going in the right direction before all else, and what his brother does has absolutely zero consequence on it.

The only reason OP should forcefully step in is if his brother's lifestyle is directly harming his own life.

And one more again: How do you know his brother is not perfectly content with the way he is living? How do you know his brother doesn't have it all figured out? How do you know what OP wants for him is, in fact, the better idea?

You don't. If you even claim that you do, you are wrong.

>>7776357
why don't you cry moar in this one?

>>7776316

Yeah, it was my fault, just like its everyone's fault who does it. Because we went fucking dumb over it, get it? I turned into a little pussy and would have greatly benefited from a good kick in the ass about it. Should I have done it myself? Yeah but I didn't. OP has a chance now to stop his bro from making the same fuck up a lot of people, myself included went through. If he lets him continue like this he will just be one more that his bro will let fade into the background. I can tell you from the other goddamned side of that road you DON'T WANT IT. Anybody saying let him be is probably just an idiot apologist or stuck in the same retard rut and is trying to justify it as some form of personal choice. People like that get stuck because they are pussies and need sense smacked into them. COD and all that will be gone before you know it and he wont have a fucking credit to his name or a friend to help him through it.

>>7776045

No, you're not an introvert. You're a social retard. I'm introverted too, but I still do feel the need to hang out with my friends and socialize once in a while.

>>7776403

Also yeah, he and nobody else should be going it afuckinglone. That's the point.

>>7776403
Your argument would be more valid if you weren't such a little girl.

Op is just worried about his brother choosing games over school.

>>7776403
Not really bumping this thread because it's been done to death, but this guy is pretty much right. Digging yourself out of a hole of fucking up in school, not having a social life, and playing videogames all day when you're unhappy/depressed is a bitch. Fuck you guys who weren't supporting his older brother at least making an effort, regardless of your stance on drugs/whatever.

Kid is in for a lot of shit once he realizes he isn't all that happy when he only has videogames and people on the internet. :(

>>7776403
You're missing the point. If the kid doesn't take the hint and change by himself, there's no point in forcing him to do it, because as soon as someone STOPS forcing him to do what they want he's just going to go back to doing what it is he, himself, wants.

Get what I'm saying here? Try as hard as you want, but you can't make people do what they don't want to do. If the kid wants to fuck up, let him fuck up. It's obvious what they did with you.

Can you honestly say that if someone had intervened and started making you do shit you really didn't want to, that you wouldn't have constantly been trying to go back to the way things were when you were happy with your video games?

My point stands and has stood through every single one of the arguments in this thread: It's not up to OP to change his brother, it's up to his brother to do the changing.

>>7776470

Oh I'm a huge fucking cunt. But I got through it, and did so alone. The difference is about 4 years of wasted life. If you don't value that long a time, then by all means carry on.

>>7776461

Varying levels of introvert. Social Retards are those who can't communicate at all, or won't communicate because they lack the self confidence or they fear embarrassment from communication. It's like public speaking, but on a smaller level.

>>7776535
Good for you, I'm nearly to the top of the hole, I wish I could redo all those years :(

>>7776378

Friends, family, and acquaintances are different people. Do what good you can where you can, if you feel that there is good worth doing. Whether the concept of "good" exists at all, or whether it is worth trying to better the lives of others, are different questions.

>>7775572

Yup, from one shit hole to another. That's is what he should totally do!

>>7776527

People who get caught in these types of situations do so almost invariably NOT because its what they want to do, or because being social isn't what they want. They do it because the achievements and status earned in online gaming is an easier alternative to struggling with real world challenges. The problem being its all worth dick in the long and short run. Its a temporary solution to a long term problem that will invariably dig a huge hole he will have to dig out of.

Would I have done better if someone intervened? Moral support would go a lot further than you think. Motivating him to reach meaningful goals while making social situations less stressful would help a lot. It would have helped my dumbass a lot yea.

It's not a phase, its not a preference. Its an escape.

>>7776535
>4 years
>a long time

lol, no, talk to me when you were in a hole for 10+ years, dude. OH NO, FOUR YEARS WASTED.

You're how old? 21? Something tells me you still have time to make something of your life, considering you'll probably live until you're at least 70.

I swear to god, you young kids have no concept of time and think anything over a couple months is a long time.

>>7776641
Seeing as we only have 1 life to live and it can end at virtually any time in the future including this very second, 4 years seems pretty meaningful.

>>7775412

That pic isnt real. Its supposed to be the other way around. But that doesnt mean WoW can do that to you.

>>7776641

25, and I'm in no way saying my life is over at all. 4 years is a fucking long time. It was a mistake and I did screw away a part of my life I would have liked(looking back) to not miss. Now that I kicked that shit I'm loving every minute of my life. Kids these days right?

>>7776625
>Moral support would go a lot further than you think.

Yes. MORAL SUPPORT. That means when he makes a good decision, he gets praised for it. Not yanking him out of his comfort zone and saying "YOU DO WHAT I TELL YOU TO DO BECAUSE IT WILL MAKE YOU HAPPY."

That is not the proper way to do anything and it never was. If OP's brother is given the option to do things other than play video games, and instead takes the option to play video games, it is then OP's job to back the fuck off and let the kid do what he wants, regardless of you telling me it's "not really what he wants."

Let me tell you something: If he's making the conscious choice to play video games over going outside to socialize, IT'S WHAT HE WANTS TO DO.

>>7775412

I want to see this picture.

>>7776678
It wasn't a long time. It was a hard time. What you did was make a decision on your own and make your life better for yourself, not because someone made you do it.

What you did was LEARN and GROW, not be forced into something.

You had a learning experience and came out better for it. Well, hopefully better.

Don't you think OP's brother should have the same thing happen? Maybe he'll come out for the better, all on his own.

Give people a chance to do things on their own instead of forcing them to do what you think is better for them.

>It's not a phase, its not a preference. Its an escape.

I'd say the same about spending your time seeking validation from other people.

Long story short: Theres no 1 way to have a better life so theres no use arguing over it.

>>7776686

Yeah and I'm telling you from experience, its what i DID but not what i WANTED. Whatever actions OP makes, the only thing he really needs to do is NOT abandon his bro. Eventually the phonecalls n shit will stop, and he will just fall complacent into his world of bullshit achievements.

>>7776505
>My mother told me to drive him [to school] today as it was raining, and on the way there, I asked him if he wanted to cut and go to a party with me.

School is not the concern here.

You can skip school any time of the day any day of the week to play video games, parties are a different story.

>>7776792
it's one fucking day, isn't going to ruin his entire run at high school. quit trying to pick apart everything the OP posts on here. dude is trying to help out his little brother who is fucking up, and probably beyond help.

>>7776745
Apparently one of the things you never picked up was reading comprehension. Never once did I say he should outright abandon his brother.

I'm just saying forcing him to do anything, regardless of the intentions, is not the answer.

>>7776840
They're pointing out that OP was concerned with his brother's lack of socializing AND his failing grades.

Offering to cut classes with the kid is not going to help his failing grades.

>>7776722
There are better ways to learn I would say. I'm happy I learned it, and honestly there was some good to come from my mistakes. I would have preferred to learn it another way. Saying 4 years isn't long is wrong too. 1 year wasted is too long. You aren't getting that time back.

>>7776730
Everything you do has an ounce of this in it. So what. Unfortunately we live in a world where what people think of us matters. And the owner of a company's opinion is going to help you a lot more than your COD buddy's

>>7776840
>dude is trying to help out his little brother who is fucking up

"Stop cutting class to play games. Cut class to party!"

WOW! HELPFUL!

>>7776881
I'm sure the owner of that company will be very impressed by your long history of partying.

RL social interaction leads to connections/friends which go a long way later in life.

>>7776881
>Everything you do has an ounce of this in it.

Also, speak for yourself. How am I seeking validation through spending my time at home doing things on my own?

OP you shouldn't force him to live a lifestyle he doesn't want to live (it's been said already, I know). People think the alternative is to leave him to do his own thing. But it's really not. Here is the path I propose, you force him to go and socialize, and once he has a good idea of whatever you wanted to show him, then he can be left to decide for himself. People in this thread don't understand the difference between giving the option and actively going about giving him the choice.

>>7776919
You are avoiding people to avoid being negatively judged, same coin different side.

>>7776909
>high schooler going to a party
>making connections

>>7776951
Insecure introvert.

>>7776949
Nice straw man. I am not avoiding people, I merely engage in activities which generally don't involve other people.

>>7776904
Ehh. I should clarify that I don't actually agree with the cutting of class for partying by OP. MMOs and the like will kill his bro's grades and ultimately his qualifications in the workplace. Well, his reliance on them as an escape will. Was it wrong to assume commonsense?

>>7776855

I wasn't implying you advocated outright abandonment. At least I didn't intend to. I just sort of wanted to emphasize that regardless of OPs course of action, the only real mistake he could make is to abandon him.

>>7776959
Ad hominem argument

>>7776981
Your life situation affects your thoughts and actions, Me thinks you were just projecting.

>>7776996
And yet you still offer no counter.

>>7775368
I'm like that, except I don't have online friends and I'm 20. No clan wants me because I'm unlikeable.

>>7777012
It wasn't really meant as an insult. Just an observation.

>>7776919

While taking the time to single yourself out as not needing the validation of others? With respect, I do remember my mindset at least outwardly during my whole 'im just an introvert' run. Tell people you don't give a fuck what they think. Well sorry you do. You wouldn't have bothered to post any of the shit unrelated to OP if it were true.

OP, once my sister made me drive into NYC with her(we live on long island). It was a spontaneous thing on her part, and honestly I did not want to go at all. She tricked me into getting into the car with her(going to get ice cream, yeah, right), and then proceeded to go on a long ass drive into New Jersey(The original goal of this adventure was to go to some restaurant chain that only exists in NJ or some stupid shit). She got lost, I was pissed because I didn't want to do this. We had some emotional moments(It's a long story, but a lot of bottled up rage and misery came out during this whole thing), she kept getting lost, we wound up in the Bronx, then drove through Harlem and parked in Manhattan. I was being a little bitch throughout this whole thing, I started crying at one point(for a lot of reasons). She was very nice throughout the whole thing(never mind the fact she basically kidnapped me). She kept trying to buy me things to cheer me up, I told her not to. But still.

Anyway, we just wandered around Manhattan until 12 a clock at night when my parents called us and wondered where we were.

As depressing and crazy and stupid as the whole experience was, I'm glad she did it. I wouldn't admit it at the time, but it was actually pretty fun.

The moral of this story OP, kidnap your brother and force him to go somewhere interesting. If you don't the little bitch will do nothing with his life.

>>7777051
True, you think you will be better liked by people if you act like you don't care what people think.

CODMW2 and Battlefield BC2 are both better than any party could ever hope to be

>>7776722

Take it from somebody who knows, the kid is on a downward spiral to social oblivion. Which sounds retarded, but people really do need a social life. Loneliness will kill anybody given the right amount of time.
Solitary confinement is how they torture prisoners, you know.

>>7777051
Nothing I posted was irrelevant. I was challenging the view that spending all your time doing one thing is inherently better than spending it better doing another, when neither option is relevant to the actual problem.

As regards validation, I never said that what other people think of me doesn't matter, merely that I don't seek validation.

>>7776333
>Implying that failing classes will get him into universities
Read the damn thread before you start saying shit.

>>7777164

Now you have.

>>7777159
I'm going on year 6 of not having any friends :3

it's been maybe 3 or 4 years since I've had friends online, never had a girlfriend.

I smoke MASSIVE amounts of weed, and when I'm out of weed, I drink.

I just had 2 beers. Thank god I'm fairly small and don't need much to get buzzed.

>>7775770

Everybody in this thread saying this kid is happy being a complete and utter loser need to wake the fuck up.

You are only young once. You NEED to get out of the house and experience things in your youth. If you don't you will not be able to experience them when you are older in any capacity.

This kid needs to get the fuck outside and live an actual human existence. Not this electronic crap

>>7777202
Ah yes, any attempt at objective discussion is actually a concealed attempt at personal validation. I expected that fallacy at least a post earlier.

>>7777243

And again and again and again.
You aren't above it. We act for validation, claiming you don't is just another attempt for it. Its so fucking pointlessly inescapable I wonder why you bother. Just make the most of it but recognize when appropriate that validation will be an ingredient of every form of motivation you will ever have. People see themselves in the context of their society and find their worth in THAT. That goes for circles of anonymity too.

>>7777279
I agree that motivation and validation are tied.

>People see themselves in the context of their society and find their worth in THAT
This is nonsense, read a history book sometime.

The idea that every action seeks validation remains nonsense.

>>7776333

>Go to college
>Live in dorm
>Talk to people in dorm
>Meet people
>Ask them what they are doing that night
>They say "party"
>Ask to go
>They say sure
>Go to party
>Get drunk
>Social anxiety decreases
>Talk to people about anything because booze has made you not care
>Meet new people
>repeat process next weekend

Meeting people is easy as fuck in a dorm setting. In high school it's hard because everybody in high school tends to stick with whatever circle they have been with their whole lives. But once you get into college nobody fucking knows each other anyway, you are forced to interact with people. If you aren't an idiot you should be able to meet people pretty easy.

>>7777234
>>7777234
Fucking hit the nail on the head. Those who say a social life is not needed are fucking morons. Are you truly happy experiencing all your emotions alone? What do you have to live for? What stories do you have to tell? About an epic raid for loot with people you don't even fucking know? Get real.

>>7777349

Disproven by what exactly? Your continued efforts to separate yourself from it?

I'm not saying it is the DRIVING FORCE behind every single thing you do. It is however, present at all times, whether you like it or not.

Irrelevant discussion over now? OP is long gone.

>>7777428

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That's just fucking stupid though. People are different. Telling friends online about epic raids and awesome clan matches is the same as being social and talking about that awesome time you got really drunk one night.

What right have you got to tell other people how they have fun?

>>7777428
And you think going to parties will result in better stories? I think you mean to say, stories more to *your taste*.

What do I (taking the role as the supposed social retard) have to live for? What do *you* have to live for? All you do with your time are things which to me seem boring and pointless. We all simply live for the things we enjoy, whatever they may be.

>>7777489

Physical contact, direct eye contact, observation of body language, etc etc.

Having experienced both I can tell you its infinitely more rewarding up close and personal. Online can be meaningful but ultimately its too fragile and removed from the risk we need to make it something worth keeping.

This thread still exists? OP left ages ago, you're all retards and children, stop arguing.

>>7777547
>>7777489
When you're 50 and have nobody in the real world to talk to, are you going to make up friends, or play with bots?

>>7777571
I don't think having no-one to talk to will ever be a major problem for people who prefer to avoid socialising. I don't know about bots, I mostly play single player games.

>>7777569
I left after all the shut-ins and neckbeards started fighting about shit that wasn't relevant to the topic.

Just an update. I talked to my brother about trying to improve in school and maybe trying to make a few real friends and he told me to fuck off.

>>7777101

>CODMW2 and Battlefield BC2 are both better than any party could ever hope to be

haw haw haw haw

good show

>>7777571
d

You don't need to talk to people to live. Watch TV, play videogames, go out to pub and talk to other old people.

>>7777489

That is not friendship. That is stupidity. That is stupider and more meaningless then the conversation we are having right now.

This is not life, this is a substitute for life. Do you know why so many of us waste our time on this website for hours on end? Because this is the closest to human interaction we have. And every single one of us knows nothing on this website comes even close to actual friendship.
If you do not go out into the world and experience things, doing shit like this will be the highlight of your life. If you can even call it that.

Nobody can be happy like this. Shit like WOW fulfills the same purpose as a drug, to numb your mind and make you forget about how lonely and miserable you actually are.

>>7777608
>You don't need to talk to people to live.
>go out to pub and talk to other old people.

6/10
quite cunning

>>7777604
Good luck bro, don't take any of that shit personal. It's really hard for people to own up to being scared or being wrong. Thread = proof.
Ease off for periods of time but never totally let him be a lost cause. Leave the door open for him. Don't let him get fat either. Goddamn losing MMO weight is a bitch. Try to start a gym/running routine with him. It would be good for both of you.

>>7777604
So give him a month, ask him again, if he says fuck off, well guess what? Fuck off and let him stew.

I applaud your effort, OP, but the little prick doesn't seem to want help.

>>7777604
>I left
>still posting in thread

>>7777699
>>7777686
If /r9k/ had more people with rationale like you, there might be something besides "i hate women" and "im so ronery" threads on page 1.

Thanks you guys. Let's let this thread die, I've absorbed all the sound advice here.

>>7777755
>implying the only duration for "left" is permanently.

>>7777604
See
>>7777067

I am telling you this in all seriousness, trick him into getting into a car with you. Then FORCE him to do something interesting and interact with real people. He will bitch and he will moan, believe me he will. Worst that can happen is he makes an ass of himself. But if he isn't a complete social retard he will probably have a good time.

Force him to do something interesting and he will realize what he is missing out on. He might even thank you.

>>7777874
If you ever have children, I feel sorry for them, because the first time they ever do something you don't want them to, you'll probably have this same attitude because you think you "know better" based on one situation with your sister.

A situation that only worked by chance. Things could've gone horribly, horribly wrong any dozen number of ways and you would've been fucked.

Forcing people to do things against their will is why we have wars.

>>7777924
That is one stupid parallel. My parents made me play sports when I was little. I am not athletic and never was, but I am pretty glad they did. It's good to know how to catch a ball, don't ya think? They did the same thing with swimming lessons, it is a good thing to learn how to swim. They forced me to read a lot of shit to, I love reading, once again I'm thankful.

The little adventure I had with my sister was a very depressing experience. By the end of it both of us were in tears.
But looking back on it, what else was I doing that day? Why was I so afraid of doing this?

Worst comes to worst, OP drags his brother to a party and he acts like an awkward douchebag.
Is this really that bad? At least he is doing something, experiencing something. But just sitting on your ass? Why the fuck would you want to do that?

>>7777965
>even a bad experience at a party is a worthwhile experience
>having fun on your own is not a worthwhile experience

Pontificate more.

>>7776292

Being Hikikomori will keep you away from everything.

>>7777965
Jesus christ, COMPLETELY MISSING THE FUCKING POINT.

Apparently something they never did was force you to read and understand what people are telling you.

Those things they forced you to do? Those aren't things that you absolutely MUST DO in order to have a good life.

What if they hadn't forced you into sports? What if they handed you an instrument instead and said "Do you want to play sports, or do you want to play this instrument?"

What if they had given you a pencil and said "Do you want to play sports, or do you want to write a poem?"

You don't FORCE someone into doing something just because you want them to do it. You give them options and let them choose.

It's called letting people be their own person and do what they want with their life, not what you want them to do.

>>7777996

>Implying sitting on your ass for days on end playing wow is actual fun and not just wasting time to avoid the realization that your life is lonely and miserable.

OP's bro is using this shit as a substitute for his own shitty reality. If I had to take a guess I would say he is afraid of real people and real situations. In order to get over that fear the kid is going to have to face them head on. No matter how you phrase it, a life spent on your own is not life. That is a fucking prison. If you sit on your ass all day and play video games, you are just running from reality. Fighting the boredom and loneliness with objects. You might as well just shoot up heroin.

I am glad my sister kidnapped me and made me come out into the world. Sure, it was a long depressing trip that exposed how miserable we both were, but even that aside it was worthwhile. It was interesting, it was even kind of fun knowing I was doing something.

Did you ever see Into the wild? Happiness is only good when shared.

>WoW before and after pic with that jock kid
Anyone have this?

>>7778007
You don't know what hikki means

>>7778055
>implying I was talking about WoW
>jumping from 'WoW is a waste of time' to 'a life spent on your own is not life' as if there is any logical progression there

>>7778034

Your post made me laugh.
People are naturally inclined to want to be with other people. Parents force there kids to do things, not to make them become something they want(usually), but to teach them things. My parents never told me what I should do with my life. They just gave me the opportunity to broaden my horizons a little. My sister did the same thing. If I wanted to quit baseball they would let me(and they did).

The funny thing that you don't appear to grasp, I am not telling OP to try to turn his brother into some jock fratboy jackass.
I am stating the simple fact that the kid will probably never do anything on his own unless he is forced to, in some degree. It's like when people set each other up on blind dates. The object is not to force this person to go out with somebody, is to to introduce them. I am telling OP to do that, introduce his bro to actual people and not CGI characters. And yeah, the kid probably won't go along with it without some trickery. Why? Because he is terrified of the prospect.

Forgive me for not wanting people to waste their lives alone without any sort of human interaction.

>>7778112

No logical progression? There was plenty of logical progression in that. I said wasting your life playing video games is stupid. Is wow not a video game?

>>7778155
>a life spent on your own is not life

Is what you actually said.

>>7778139
Going so well up until the final line. Why is it that even the posts with generally good attitudes/advice must also include a condemnation of someone else's lifestyle?

>>7777353
So what if you commute??

>>7778166

If you are playing video games all day and never leaving the house, you are spending your life without any real human interaction. Hence, spending your life alone and miserable and using the game as an escape from reality.

I fail to see how this does not make sense.

>>7778186

Switch the dorm part with "talk to people in general".

Really, college is socializing on easy mode.

>>7778189
>miserable and using the game as an escape from reality

Begging the question. You correctly assert that a life spent miserable is a wasted life, but then incorrectly place yourself in the position of judging who is miserable and who is not.

>>7778055
Okay, professor, quit making fucking projections about OP's bro based on your own sad, pathetic existence.

What qualifies you to out-right try and give this kid a complete psychoanalysis, without ever having tried talking to him?

How do you know he's not just a kid who likes playing video games, and instead of helping him, you're urging his brother to rip him out of a hobby he enjoys because YOU think he's got problems?

You fucking don't. Any post you make after this is pure strawman arguments and you need to fucking stop.

>>7778139
>Forgive me for not wanting people to waste their lives alone without any sort of human interaction.

And it's COMPLETELY your view on whether or not he's wasting his life. YOU say he's wasting his life, I say he's doing fuckall and enjoying it.

How would you like it if I said you were wasting your life based solely on an activity you enjoy doing? I say you're wasting your life because you focus on socializing.

It's all retarded, don't you get it? One man's trash is another man's treasure? The grass is always greener?

Quit pretending there's some imaginary standard for living that every person agrees on, because there isn't. Face it, people are going to do things that you think are wrong, and it is not your place to try and change them otherwise.

Live and let live; that is all.

>>7778178

Why should I have respect for a lifestyle devoid of all humanity? Why should I pretend that a life with almost no human contact is worthy of living? It isn't.

Anybody who acts like they are perfectly fine without friends and playing video games all day is lying to themselves.

>>7778189
>I fail to see how this does not make sense.

Because you're a close-minded idiot who fails to realize that not everyone in the world thinks the same way you do.

>>7778227
>People don't live life how I deem it worthy? Poppycock!

>>7778225

Live and Let die

>>7778227
This is I think the problem the OP has in communicating with his brother. It isn't the intention, it's the incredibly self-righteous attitude.

You are not psychic or god. You neither know nor decide who is happy or not. And you certainly have no authority to judge whose lives are or are not worth living.

>>7778227
No, you fuckstick, you're lying to yourself if you think every person on this planet is going to fall under the same standard of living as you do, just because you think you're right.

>Why should I pretend that a life with almost no human contact is worthy of living?

BECAUSE IT ISN'T YOUR GOD DAMN LIFE.

>>7775368
> He plays COD MW2
I would disown him right there.

>>7778212
If you have no friends, never leave your house, and do nothing but play video games, I am going to assume you are a very lonely, bored, person. And for good reason, I have never met anybody like this who is happy.

>>7778213
This is where you misunderstand me, I am not telling OP to "rip his brother out of a hobby he enjoys". Hell, I play MW2 all the time. I am telling him to get him to go outside once in awhile and not waste his youth in front of a TV. You are jumping to so many extremes it is making me laugh

There are only two people who spend all day playing video games and never talking to people when given a chance. People with aspergers, and the socially awkward nerds who are afraid of social situations.
I never said there was a standard of living. I said new experiences are a good thing. I don't live my life based around socializing with people, but I understand why people do it.
A life spent by yourself is not a life, I repeat this because human beings are social creatures. Sooner or later, everybody wants somebody to talk to.

>>7778303
>If you [...] never leave your house
>I have never met anybody like this who is happy.
>implying you can meet someone who is happily gaming inside all the time

Subtle.

>>7778303
>A life spent by yourself is not a life

No, you're wrong, again. There's a pattern here, it goes like this: Someone says something smart, you say something stupid.

>A life spent by yourself is not a life
>A life spent by yourself is not a life
>A life spent by yourself is not a life

No. A life spent by yourself is not YOUR life. It's worked for hundreds upon thousands of people.

Do you not understand that there are people out there who just DON'T LIKE OTHER PEOPLE? It's a hard concept to understand, I'm sure, but it's just how some people are.

Everyone is different. Everyone wants to do their own thing. It's not your place or anyone else's place to change them no matter what you may think.

Do you not understand this? Less strawman arguments, more actually making sense, please.

My brother's the same as you, except he doesn't even play with online friends. I'm worried about him.

>>7778330

>Implying I did not go to high school and college and did not meet fuckers like this all the time

It isn't hard to find these people. They usually sit by themselves in dark corners and stare into space, and never utter a word to people.

Try talking to them, for once. Their misery creeps into their everyday speech. It's subtle, but it hits you like a brick when you see it.

Leave the kid alone ffs. I'm glad I didn't have a pushy asshole brother like you.

>>7778369
I've never encountered someone like this. And since you can apparently extend your experience to cover every such person, I will too.

>>7778343

What you are describing is an asshole. So why should I respect them? "THEY DON'T LIKE OTHER PEOPLE!". Well, they should learn to like other people because nobody likes an arrogant jackass who thinks he is better then everybody else.

It isn't my place to change anybody, you're right. That's up to them.
Ancient Chinese saying says "Teachers may open the door, but you alone must walk through it" or some shit like that.

As I already said, it's good to try new things. This kid is trying nothing and sitting on his ass. "He might be happy!". Maybe, but he could be a lot happier if he found something better.
Instead he will spend his youth in front of a TV and in ten years wish he didn't.

Pay some attention to this website for once. See all the threads about 25 year old virgins and never leaving the house and wishing for suicide? That is OP's brother in the future, unless he actually does something with his life instead of sitting around doing nothing.

>>7778400

Most people see them you silly aspie.

All the NTs here will know them. The guy in the daggy clothes who sits in the corner with his eyes down and a sour look on his face, looking like he's about to pull out his walther and lets shots fly.

I'm very aware of them personally, because I have to be careful not to be one of them. It doesn't always work.

>>7778463
You in America? All this stereotypical nonsense seems more common there. I hear they actually have cliques in high school. I ask because of the mention of school shootings, which apparently are also a reality over there.

>>7778442
>Well, they should learn to like other people because nobody likes an arrogant jackass who thinks he is better then everybody else.
>Instead he will spend his youth in front of a TV and in ten years wish he didn't.
As usual, projecting things onto the target lifestyle which are not necessarily true. Preferring to be alone doesn't necessarily mean you are arrogant, not that you will necessarily regret it.

>unless he actually does something with his life instead of sitting around doing nothing.
Not socialising does not necessarily mean you are doing nothing.

All of the above may apply to OP's brother, but trying to apply them to anyone who lives in a way you do not approve of is a load of ol' bollocks.

>>7778442
>So why should I respect them?

I never said respect them. I said leave them the fuck alone and let them do what they want. It is another human being, for Christ's sake, not a pet project for you to raise someone.

>Well, they should learn to like other people because nobody likes an arrogant jackass who thinks he is better then everybody else.

I am facepalming so hard at how stupid you are.

Let me explain this for you, moron: Someone who doesn't like people doesn't want people to like them. Why would I, if I did not like people, want people, something I do not like, to flock to me?

>See all the threads about 25 year old virgins and never leaving the house and wishing for suicide?

And how many of them do it? None. It's a cry for attention that you bleeding heart idiots give to them because I JUST WANT THEM TO CHANGE AND BE A GOOD MEMBER OF SOCIETY.

>Maybe, but he could be a lot happier if he found something better.

Conjecture. He COULD be happier, but it's not a sure thing that he will.

>Instead he will spend his youth in front of a TV and in ten years wish he didn't.

MORE CONJECTURE. How do you know? Can you see into the future? You can't.

Again, stop grasping at straws dude, you are an idiot.

Maybe if there were less people like you, there would be less people like OP's brother and other introverts who just don't get it and hate being around people. For fuck's sake, if I had to be subjected to your retardation on a regular basis, I'd want to do nothing but sit alone in my room, too.