serves you right, pedofile.

If one is decreeded insane by a jury of fellow peers and a threat to society then thought crime faggotry i'm pretty okay with. Otherwise gtfo out of my mind pricks.

where dat ACLU

>>7521299
Accused pedophiles are one group the ACLU seems to have overlooked.

>>7521130
He pleaded guilty to and was thus jailed for transporting pornographic material across statelines.

Oh look, it's Minority Report IRL

>>7521130
welcome to planet earth we are the main race of destoriers here called humans and we cant have lolicon because we are all butthurted from the c02 raep.

its not right..this is thoughtcrime.

The 40-year-old was charged under the 2003 Protect Act, which outlaws cartoons, drawings, sculptures or paintings depicting minors engaging in sexually explicit conduct, and which lack "serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value."

Dude broke the law, now he's going to jail. What's so wrong about that?

such bullshit.

i like how he gets in trouble when a postal worker illegally opens his mail

>>7521386
So if I label a lolicon drawing THOSE FUCKERS OUR SHIT I am safe?

Oh, your poor, poor Americans :(

Money is speech but art is not speech.
Thats the lesson here.
Learn it

>Plead guilty

There's your problem. Anybody with a decent lawyer would fight this case to point out the ridiculous nature of this law. He probably would have gone free if they explained how drawings are not real people.

he should be thrown in jail. That stuff is disgusting.

This guy gets aroused by japanese children getting raped and fucked by animals. Whats good about this again?

>>7522064

I can totally see the artistic merit in that.

>>7522009
Agreed. He probably could have gotten an excellent lawyer for free through the ACLU too. This sounds like a freedom of speech case to me.

>>7522114
/b/: trolling the fuck out of ronery robots since forever

>>7522114

I think most people share my sentiment when I dont like young children getting raped and bestiality.

Face it the only reason people read manga is to get off and he shouldnt be getting off on this.

The law is clear and theres no question hes violated it

90% of child abuse comes from relatives abusing relatives.
It seems 90% of attention and money goes towards catching people who aren't the problem.

And yet we aren't allowed to oppose the problem because we get drowned out by the voices of Sun readers, idiots and soccer moms telling me that all costs, freedom and logic especially, I should protect the whiny ugly children.

It's all a big fucking exaggeration of paternal instinct, and I hate the idea that I could isolate myself away from society and people, do nothing wrong, but I could still have people sent after me to throw me in jail because I have looked at a combination of ink lines or pixels, that some ignorant authority has deemed more worthy of attention than rescuing abused children, stopping murders or preventing some sort of actual degrading crime.

>>7522160
go troll somewhere else.

>>7522160

He hasn't violated any laws.
The children aren't real, you fucking idiot.

Oh, and on the record, the rate of sexual crimes and abuse is much lower in the country where this stuff is legal. Are you telling me they should still ban this stuff even though crime would increase? Are you telling me that you consider moralistic bullshit far more important and vital than the actual end result?

You're uninformed and unable to actually look at the subject without "what society sez" vision, and yet feel compelled to comment about it. You are scum.

>>7522211
Are you telling me you watch that filth?

If you call being legally able to watch children being raped "freedom" then society shouldn't be free.

>>7522325
Obvious troll, you're continuing to ignore the fact that they aren't real children.

>>7522325
you are a moron and i hope your trolling.
ITS FUCKING DRAWINGS.
None is actually being hurt or does it bother you that someone somewhere is doing somthing that you think is bad?

IT'S INK ON FUCKING PAPER.

>>7522325If you call being legally able to watch children being raped "freedom" then society shouldn't be free.
This is a landmark legal case because it does, in fact, change the standing of American law. Up till now it's been pretty strongly held that it's only recordings of real sexual acts committed on real children that are illegal, and that drawings, animations, textual descriptions, etc. are not.

Lumping everything and anything that somehow "depicts" underage sex as "kiddie porn" is the kind of well-poisoning rhetoric politicians like to indulge in, but it doesn't actually help anyone when dissecting the different issues at play here. By the definition this recent legal case is skirting toward, Nabokov's Lolita is "kiddie porn" and should be pulled off library shelves -- is it your contention that this is inevitable and will definitely happen (or, as you seem to be bizarrely claiming, has already happened and is impossible to reverse)?

>>7522487
They aren't real children, but they encourage pedophiles, which in turn increases pedophilliac behavior.

Some things simply should not be tolerated by a moral society.

>>7522211

HELLO HAVE YOU READ THE FUCKING ARTICLE

>obscene visual representations of the sexual abuse of children

This is a visual representation of a child getting raped, drawn or not. YOU ARE JACKING OFF TO THE IDEA OF SOME CHILD HAVING SEX AND GETTING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF.

>serious literary, artistic political, or scientific value

Whats the artistic value of this garbage you fuckwit? You watch cartoon children being raped for the art?

>In response, the protect act narrows the prohibition to cover only depictions that the defendants community would consider obscene

I guaranfuckingtee you that his community would be and is disgusted by his collection of manga

art is real whether you like it or not when you get to the emotions behind it. You think because they arent real children getting taken advantage of they are immune to the rules? by that logic we should allow children to buy this manga right because its not real porn after all.

fuck off troll

>>7522535
I hadn't heard about that book, but it probably shouldn't be on shelves either.

>>7522542
>they encourage pedophiles

What evidence do you have to support that?

How do you know it doesn't encourage pedos to stay inside and not touch anyone?

>>7522535

But of course, because even thinking about it is a crime...Oh whoops! Sorry, that's Minority Report...haha I get confused sometimes...

regardless of your feelings towards the material,

>>7522542
Grand theft auto encourages homicidal behavior (on a massive scale) some things society should stop being hypocrites about.

>>7522568
You are either a troll or a very, very stupid person. Please stop posting immediately.

>>7522523
>IT'S INK FUCKING PAPER.

>>7522575
That's not how porn works. Over time, it desensitizes people to just simple visual representations of child molestation, driving the addict to further lengths.

>>7522588
Exactly if we're using those sort of comparisons, the game Defcon on Steam depicts thermonuclear war. I dropped a bomb on Washington and killed some 2 or 3 million people.

>>7521386
That shit was repealed, dawg.

shit's retarded. It's better that pedophiles get of on ink fucking paper, than raping real kids.

>>7522614
Violence is generally not sexualized and does not compare to child pornography.

>>7522582

oops

regardless of your feelings towards the material, you have no right to force your moral beliefs onto someone else, especially through law, and especially if the material in question causes no harm to others.Your entire argument is pretty much based on "I don't like it, therefore it should be illegal.

Depictions of drugs, murder, rape, incest, and nearly every other form of illegal taboo are not illegal since it's not showing a real act. Why should this be any different? And no, you can't use because you think it's wrong as an excuse. Genuine argument that could hold up in court without infringing upon liberties only.

Cant' do it? Then stfu because you're a dumbass.

>>7522633
You are an idiot, looking at lolis does not encourage raping kids like the conservative retards think it does.

>>7522564
The point is that people shouldn't be punished for victimless crimes.
You think it's gross therefore other people shouldn't be able to do it.
I think faggots are fucking sick(and beating off to child-rape porn for that matter) so we better outlaw that.
Join a monastary, cunt.

>>7522542
I was a pedo before I discovered loli. Loli didn't make me a pedo.

>>7522636
Read my post >>7522611 here.

It encourages crime, which is not only a perfectly acceptable legal argument against its permission but an ethical ground that must be taken against it.

>>7522009


Maybe not...

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2008/12/08/1228584707575.html

>>7522636
even then. Child pornography is the only crime that is illegal to even have on tape.

having a library of 'normal' rape videos, provided you have not produced them is not illegal :S

which is weird to me, cause im a molestation survivor, and if that shit happened to me at this age it go batshit crazy in a hurry, as a kid you bounce right back.

i argue that adult-rape is worse, add to that that there is more of it, increasing its need to be fought

What if the drawing depicted underaged subjects, yet stated that they were, in fact, overage? What would the result of that be, moralfags?

>>7522564
I'll agree on all of your points for sake of argument. This is offensive material we an agree. However, possession of material that are mere drawings that depicts what may be considered objectional circumstances and even indulging in it amounts to a victimless crime. Imprisoning someone for possession of such material is the worst injustice.

>>7522681
people talking about their faith provokes a horrible hate crime in me.

is this a valid ethical argument to ban christianity ?

please

>>7522721
It's a loophole in the American legal system. Doesn't mean its acceptable.

I'm going to catch a lot of flak for this, but I think the new Australian obscenity laws regarding simulated child pornography are a proactive and admirable move by the Australian government, and something the US should imitate.

>>7522721

It would be banned in Australia for small breasts.

>>7522763
So then you admit that they should indeed be considered legal?

Wait so is /d/ essentially illegal?

>>7522763
yes you are gonna catch flak for this, especially on 4chan considering what has been going on lately

By this logic we should also ban all depictions of murder, theft, rape etc.

>>7522778
in australia, yes

By passing this law, the lawmakers proof that they can't dissociate fantasy from reality.

This shows that there are people out there who can't dissociate fantasy from reality.

Just to be on the safe side, jailing people for pedo manga (fantasy) is justified because they might be people who can't dissociate fantasy from reality.

>>7522788
christianity, republicans, unintelligens people, jews.

you know where this is going.

>>7522755
No, because intentions do have value. A christian is trying to save you from hell, while a Japanese cartoon child pornographer is taking advantage of a weakness in American law by depicting the rape and mutilation of children, albeit in a fictional form.

>>7522681
Harold and Kumar encourages breaking the law by engaging in smoking Marijuana.

GTA encourages murder/gang violence/drugs/theft/prostitution/etc.

The bible encourages stoning disobitient children to death, killing blasphemous, killing homosexuals, and generally killing everyone that doesn't follow it's strict moral code. And yet, I don't see christains doing all these horrible things, nor do I see GTA players commiting mass murders, and I'm certain most people that liked Harold and Kumar were already potheads.

You just have a double standard for the legality of material that encourages illegal and/or immoral behavior.

>>7522764
Oh my. So let's say that I have a girlfriend who is only 4'10 and has small breasts, would taking a nudey photo of her be considered illegal? What if I drew her?

>>7522776
No, what I said is it is a loophole in our legal system that needs to be addressed. Just because it may be legal now does not mean it should be.

>>7522793
EVERYBODY migth be a person who cant distinguis ...

that said, your sense of reality is located in the part of the brain called Gyris Singularis

you can scan it, people have.
Your argument is a banana, my hair is a hawk

also: mara says that if you must sex children, to do it safely

pic related

>>7522812
both child pornography if you post them on the internet in australia

>>7522648

The problem is that intelligent people would not do something because they see it in a piece of media. Stupid people would.
So when stupid people say things like "it just leads to this...", they're basing it on personal experience or the way that THEY think.

So to use slippery slope arguments like "fictional child porn leads to actual children being kidnapped and raped" comes from the fact they are applying their own stunted intellect to the minds of everyone else, which is illogical.

We should ignore these people, they have no concept of getting into the heads of others.
If a man spent his time watching child porn, knowing he would never harm a real child, why should we ostracise him with the law? Socially he would be unacceptable, and understandably so, but throwing him in prison doesn't make sense.

It's also why I have an issue with "child porn". Images of abuse are wrong under all circumstances, so I support the drive to get rid of them, and if you get off on those images and get arrested I have little pity.
Child erotica, where a child willingly takes part and gets paid for the efforts (a dubious one as it's more prone to corruption and genuine harm to a child), and the fictional stuff which is all imaginary - people who look at those I don't see as horrible people. They're strange people, probably I wouldn't want to meet them, but to arrest them is bad in my opinion.

>>7522816
Let's discuss why fictional drawings of objectional material according to local community standards should be illegal in the first place.

Proceed.

FFFFFFFFFFF-this censorship bullshit is getting way out of hand. Im about ready to fucking take up arms as it is.

Seriously why is everyone letting them do this shit? Pic related, you cant tell me what to think you fucking tyrants.

>>7522807

Christians are intelligent enough not to follow the bible verbatim.

But there are many children/young adults who have stolen vehicles and beaten people citing GTA as their catalyst into their actions.

>>7522812
I'd be more interested in why you were attracted to a woman with those characteristics.

Closeted pedo, maybe?

>>7522839
you meet them every day

>>7522837
we'lp, GG australia. Always seemed like a nice place, too.

>>7522840
none except actual child abuse, realdeal

>>7522857
She has a nice personality. What, is a girl like that seeking a relationship immoral?

>>7522840
Have you read one thing in this thread?

I've already explained why several times. I'm starting to get the impression you are being purposely dense.

>>7522801
The moralcunts a christian, riddle solved go back to your normal activities.

>>7522857
no trust me, if you are a pedo you KNOW, you're not hiding that from yourself.

that said, some people go for rexy chicks, some for small
he goes for both: as long as both are of the legal age in their country i see no issue

So they just passed this law not long ago right? (in Australia) so say a guy had a ton of Lolicon on his PC that was legal when he downloaded it. When the law comes out, he deletes it. Police confiscate his PC for an unrelated offense (lets say piracy) and find traces of the images.
What happens then? He wasnt doing anything illegal at the time, but he has traces of loli on his PC.

>>7522884
All I said was I'm curious what attracted you to a woman that looks like an underage girl.

Most pedophiles justify their actions by claiming "they were teasing me" or "I was in love with her personality". That's not how the male libido works.

I wouldn't date a woman that looked like that because I'm not interested in sleeping with someone that looks underaged.

>>7522910
Staking morality on an arbitrary number set by the government as an "ideal" age for having sex is foolish and immoral.

>>7522886
the problem is that your 'argument' is
1) not in line with the facts (ie: bullshit, lies)
2) unsourced with research other than what you saw on Oprah.

people smell this, ignore the bullshit, and plow on with parts of the discussion you can be reasonable/logical about.

>>7522568

Anyone who wants to ban a book, ANY book, is dangerous to the freedoms of our society. You will never be taken seriously by anyone with half a brain in their head. YOU LOSE GOOD DAY SIR

Law was there before him, its his fault for not knowing about it.

>>7522945
I've done the research. It's not exactly obscure information, a 10 minute search on google will provide with information on the correlation between pornography and sexual assualt.

>>7522943
i smell a brave New World, mr Huxley

>>7522920
somebody answer this

iwanttoknowblox

ITT: hundreds of idiots evoking slippery slope fallacies.

Banning drawn child pornography does not mean they're going to ban anything else.

>>7522972
and here is why you are not qualified to even debate the topic:

CORRELATION IS NOT CAUSATION

>>7522943

Maybe in 1000 years, but not any time soon.

CP/bestiality is disgusting, vulgar, and a is a cancer to society. It should be purged as soon as possible.

VICTIMLESS CRIMES SHOULD NOT BE CRIMES

Every single law should be evaluated like this:
First, does this action directly result in a person being victimized? If not, is there PROOF that this action indirectly leads to a person being victimized (not just conjecture that it does)?

If you can't honestly answer yes to either of those questions, the action should not be illegal, period. And the reality is that "simulated" child pornography doesn't directly victimize anybody and no reliable studies have shown that people who view it are more likely to reenact what they see.

>>7522984
they already are, see: porn of flat chested women

>>7522998

>implying anything that happens in Australia has a chance of spreading to the rest of the world.

>>7522988
With all the channers posting things like "Man, I can't even get it up anymore unless it's extreme porn", is it really that hard to miss the connection between the two?

>>7522972
you're arguing a point, YOU back it up with sources

"i read somewhere after 10 minutes of googling"

10 minutes? where were you, page 8 ? sounds credible, hurr

>>7523020
>a chance
without getting mathematical: yes

While it is pretty gay that he went to jail for this (Not even that heinous of a crime) it's double gay that he even had this shit in the first place. HURR WEEABOO PORN IS A RIGHT faggots need to die in a fire, cp/bestiality is illegal and gay, so don't have it.

>>7523028
again: correlation <> causation

if you honestly need this explained you're not qualified to debate the topic

>>7522984
Exactly, please see
>>7522837

If I took a nude photo of an overaged girl, I could be charged with cp in australia apparently.

>>7523031
I never said I spent 10 minutes researching it, I said that's all you would need to spend to get the info you're asking for.

Sorry if I'm not going to waste my time posting references on 4chan when you already know what I'm saying is true.

>>7522920

If the cops are tech-savvy enough to find the images after they've been deleted, they'll be tech-savvy enough to find the "deleted on x date" info as well.

>>7522920

Come on! What would happen? Would he be arrested?

>>7523040
>cp/bestiality is illegal and gay
Care to explain how a man engaged in coitus with an underaged girl is in any way 'gay' ?

(ill grand that hes seriously messed up, but he meets no qualification for gay)

>>7522798
i dont think people should be able to think anything,

solution: mandatory 10 joints a day. also, has to be premo weed. if you don't blaze you go to jail.

>>7523069
I agree with you that it's not gay, but i think you're stupid for pointing out the obvious. incidentally I'm probably stupid by my own definition.

>>7523045
What it sounds like is some community college dropout throwing Logic 101 class notes at me instead of rationally answering my point.

Thanks for proving me correct. Please die in a fire.

>>7523046

That has nothing to do with banning drawn child pornography, it's banned in most civilized countries yet you don't see anyone else lining up to outlaw small breasted women.

>>7523035

Australia is a fear-ridden nanny state that won't even allow you to speak down on your government. They've proven themselves to be a nation that doesn't deserve any respect. No country would follow in their stead.

>>7522886
Allow me to explain. I've narrowly framed your argument in such a way as to make your reasoning appear to be unflattering. Most people will see it, it's not important that you did not.

That is all.

>>7522920
I can't say about Australia, but in American law there is a concept of "ex post facto", or "after the fact" laws. If you did something legal three days ago that they changed to be illegal today, you can not be punished for committing a crime. However, if they make possession of something illegal and traces of it still remain on your computer, you could get in trouble for still possessing it. A half-decent lawyer should be able to get you clear of the law on that if you actually made a real attempt to rid yourself of the possession of something that became illegal.

That said, the legal system isn't computer code where the same input will always get the same output based on strictly followed rules and regulations. You could get in trouble for something legal because prosecutors intentionally stirred moral outrage, and you have to rely on the legal system to police itself on such matters.

>>7523084
It sounds more to me like you failed logic 101. Not to mention, that's moreso statistics 101.

>>7523052
No, i know for a fact that it isnt.
What correlation there is, is that you can indeed desentitise people to ... ANYTHING.

you are desensitised to everything you experience if the frequency is there.

if you've seen 50 hours of porn in the missionary position, that doesnt interest anymore.

Not look at that stuuf and you will re-sensitise again.

Same with child pornagraphy: they tested if they could desensitise a person. wow, they did.

didnt make him a permanent 'pedo', or any kind of pedo, it just made the test subjects *temporarily* desensitised to being shocked by the images.
Man returned to normal.

Real, actual Pedo's are BORN that way.

Difference, now you know it.

>>7523100
That's just it - you don't see it for now. American laws ban things obscene by a "community definition", in other words, there is no clear law in those cases. You'll notice the person I responded to immediately jumped to "so why would you be interested in a girl like that, I am not interested in a girl like that because I am not a pedo", which is precisely what a lot of christfag moralists would say. In other words, it's actually not a very big leap for it to become illegal at all, the legal framework is already in place.

>>7523103
Is that such a bad thing?

ITT - /r9k/ = Chicken Little

THE SKY IS FALLING

>>7523084
statistics 201 actually

>>7523103
America, easily and willingly.

see: patriot act for keeping dissident under control.

>>7523084
Your point isnt valid. You assume faux cp causes actual molestation of children because it falls in line with your moral agenda. You fin the thought of people beating off to drawn images of children affensive so you want it banned.
The issue if about priority. Your priority is your stodgy moral agenda, mine is freedom.
I sincerely doubt your true concern is that you really believe these kinds of images cause pedophelia, its that they offend you.
There are to many like you, god help us all if you people end up winning.

>>7523069
Pedophilia and homosexuality are both paraphilias.

There's more in common than you would like to admit.

>>7523185
When you learn to spell, you might have an opinion worth listening to.

Freakin neanderthals.

Time for a test case. too bad the fag pled guilty and didn't have the balls to fight it.

>>7523052
You obviously are willing to waste 10 minutes or more of your time on this, though, so your objections that you won't waste your time citing sources you supposedly already have are unconvincing. You won't cite sources saying that viewing depictions of crimes CAUSE reenactments of those crimes because they don't exist or are blatantly untrustworthy or faulty. Instead of admitting you are wrong or that you are arguing to have your opinion imposed upon other people's will simply because you are arrogant, you try shifting the burden of proof of YOUR arguments onto us. If we don't come up with anything in your favor you can say we are just refusing to look, and if we do come up with something in your favor and show it to be unreliable as it inevitably will be you will claim us to be purposely and purposefully picking bad sources for your argument to make ours appear stronger. Quit being a cunt.

A second, seperate study measured penis arousal levels, at several different levels of exposure.

again, non-pedo's return to reality.

Inb4 sources, cant be arsed and other debater wont listen anyway, even if god herself came down and laid down judgement.

Point is the manga isn't being functional, deemed to be not "serious literary [or] rtistic". So, CP is just cleverly disguised as a manga/comic; You can't really argue that this isn't porn.

>>7523184
The patriot act belongs to the past, unless Obama resurrects it to further his totalitarian agenda,

>>7523208
actually , it wa sone typo, one spelling mistake, and faulty Capitalisation.

if you're gonna nitpick, be precise.

inb4 ppl nitpicking on me, /care

>>7523248
he'd have to rename it though, too many red flags.
but yes, you're right (and i'm liberal, go figure)

>>7523246
Porn in general isn't functional, yet it's still protected under the first amendment. Just so long as it doesn't offend, yup.

>>7523246
We aren't trying to argue that it has serious merit or isn't porn, or even that it isn't obscene. We're arguing that it is a breech of freedom to ban something that is harmless based on moral rather than logical grounds.

>>7523262
>fin
>affensive
>if (is)

Like I said. Learn to spell.

>>7523184

LOOK AT THIS BILLBOARD, WHERE IN THE WORLD COULD YOU EVER HAVE A BILLBOARD LIKE THIS WITHOUT BEING ARRESTED/IT TAKEN DOWN

>>7523248
Sure, it belongs to the past. The very recent past. And the groundwork that allowed it to exist in the first place hasn't been changed at all.

Ignoring problems doesn't make them go away, it just lets them escalate in the direction that other people want them to while you aren't looking. Putting off righting the injustices of today just means we have bigger, tougher problems to fix tomorrow.

>>7523292

when i saw this billboard i once again had faith in free speech. shit is SO cash

>>7523246
any product depicting erotic scenes that has no "otherwise" artistic merit is considered porn.

I could argue artistic merit in drawing till cows come home, from drawing style to japanese cultural references to authority and shame over tha loss of face/honor.

i could write whole essays of the artfullness of it

tl-dr: if the story or depicted scene actually does have a story/message beyond the sex, its art.

Jab comics for example is all about the porn, But some Louis Ryu stuff i could point to is DEFINATELY artistic.

cant use blanket rule here

>>7523292
everywhere except arabia and some countries in asia.

>>7523320
Sounds like a child porn connoisseur.
You disgust me.

>>7523331

As a European, I can assure you that billboard would be taken down and the government would have you fined throughout this fine continent.

>>7523292
Many places actually.

>>7523290
meh, i inb4'd ive been on thsi damn board for 36 hours, hehe.

Anyway if you honestly need to have typo's recovered before you can understand the text, then what hope is there of you understanding afterwards ?

>>7523346
state your country, i am Dutch and call you a liar

>>7523362

Britain, good sir.

>>7523346
He's not fucking kidding.
Put it up in England, and the state will put you under camera surveilance 25/8.
Run a political ad like that in Italy and you'll just turn up missing.
France will just jail your ass.

Not Europe, but don't count on being able to express your free speech like that in Australia either.

>>7523336
google Louis ryu, some of the most adult voluptuous women you have ever seen.

You judge too fast, i believe Jezus said "judge not, lest ye be judged"

Actually, i'm an abuse survivor, which lends me some ability to take a neutral stance in this.

(Scouts leader, 3 years on a daily basis, you REALLY are not gonna 'pedo' me just because i'm arguing a point thats counter to yours.
Shame on you for being such a horrible human being, and may God ONE DAY forgive you.)

/emo harping

>>7523393
>live in England, and the state will put you under camera surveilance 25/8.

fixed

>>7523373

Ah yes, Britain, a country where BDSM porn is on the verge of being illegal

>>7523336
We're going back to bush-era logic already. Hell, we never left.

Push your agenda through fear and denounce anyone who disagrees with you as being part of the enemy.

You disgust me.

>>7523403
Actually, Jesus said "suffer the little children to cum onto me", or something like that.

>>7523415
Man, that shit's not Bush-era. It's Truman-era.

We never left. Obama is even better at it than Bushy ever was.

>>7523373
the what are you babbling on about the whole continent.

brittain isnt even mainland, hell its by sheer geological luck that you're even on the same tectonic plate

>>7523409

Exactly, and is setting the trend for the rest of the continent.

>>7523441
we're leaning more towards religious totalitarianism ourselves here, but can still mock our leaders openly.

in 25 years, shit will go horribly wrong, i tell you.

A bunch of people are offended, they complain, and he gets thrown in jail. And for what? Ordering comic books that had disturbing images? Nobody was hurt in the making of the books. This guy has never caused any other problems, he was a collector. I'm happy that he doesn't have to register as a sex offender, though.

>>7521130
He was jailed because he was on probation after abducting kids.

sucks for that guy.

>>7523472
Would you want him living next door to your children?

Funny how people are all "equal rights for sexually peverted scum" until it personally affects them.

how can you determine the age of consent of a cartoon?i'm repulsed by pedos but afaik the reason CP is banned is because we're trying to protect children from being abused, not because pedos are creepy

>>>7523500
in THOSE cases there is a precedent, and THEN the lolicon is merely an indicator, that man was already cracked.

Lolicon is never the cause of this kinda behavior, the same way Marilyn Manson isnt responsible for columbine.

It just happens that pedo's ALSO like lolicon.

and this, dear silent reader, is where Correlation VS Causation comes in.

WHAT THE HELL. If/when this happens to me, I'm going to fight it until I'm bankrupt. This shit is just wrong.

>>7523512
Would anyone want anyone they love ever near a kidnapper ?

no, but what you want doesnt always enter into it.

I feel that its aright to have abortins, and i can scream for this all i want but abortion-machines wont be on streetcorners anywhere soon.

Sometimes people dont get their wish for a reason.

there just arent enough ponies!

>>7523512
>>7523535
How the hell did you do that with the image?
Also, anyone who wants to ban loli is absolutely fuckwitted. How the hell do you think pedos are supposed to get by without raping children? CP? No, that hurts the children. Loli? Sure, that se- NO WAIT GUISE I DON'T LIKE IT JAIL TIEM LOLOLOL

>>7523512
Well, I am one of those "sexually perverted scum." I have actually ordered similar items. I would not have problems with him living next door. I have never met the man, but from the information available I can say he does not seem to be a threat to anybody. It would seem that my opinion is biased because I am similar to this man, but there's nothing I can do about that. I would never think of touching a child, and I believe he's the same way.

It's a victimless crime, and that's why it bothers me.

>>7523572
balete button , buttom right corner of the site

>>7523572
What image?

mootsucxblox

Isn't it ironic the youth of today almost seem to be wished to be treated as whores?

>>7523618
I'd post an image of Miley Cyrus's little sisters but I think that'd get me muted and I can't be assed to find it anyway.

>>7523592

scoutabusedboy here:

no its not your affinity, i was molested for years and have no problem with lolicon (or in my case shotacon then)

its just drawings:
>no animals or small children were harmed during the making of this episode

slap on that disclaimer and be done with it

nothing you will ever do will MAKE you a pedo.

>>7523652
as long as they are not purposesly nude

example: pix of your 3yo daughter naked in a swimmingpool: NOT PORN

>>7523618
cause of all those centuries of repression.

srsly: people have been saying that about 'todays youth' since Roman times.

>175posts
Goddammit, people. I already made this post >>7521335 telling you what happened, but when I come back from dinner, I find that everyone ignored it in favor of talking about pedophilia and how DA GOBURMENT IZ TAKIN AWAY ARE PRON!!!

>>7523735
I'm sorry i lost my head, it wont happen again.

>>7523765
Oh, it's fine, I guess. As long as you know.

>>7522009
no he wouldnt, legal system dont work that way
>which lack "serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value."
he had mailed porn over the state line, he'd be guilty of perjory if he denied, further exacerbating the situation.

If the law is bullcrap you have to appeal it next higher circle, SEPERATELY

>>7522064
who let you on 4chan?

>>7523935
yeah because real christians/moralfags are gonna come here...

As a guy who likes short flat chested women, I find this law very disturbing. I don't consider myself a pedophile and I've never actually dated any short flat chested women (being 250lbs and 5'8" tall has the "wtf get lost" affect on short flat chest women). I'm around kids all the time, and I'm never "turned on" by them (some of their mothers though...). I'm constantly worried of one of the laws bringing the hammer on me because I
1) have short flat chested female porn and hentai
2) work with kids
3) there is about 100 gotchya laws that would result in my arrest and conviction.

The kids wonder why I'm so stand offish compared to parents and it's because even being accused of being a pedophile would end a career I've been working very hard to build and maintain. You may wonder why I even bother since there is such a high risk? Because, our (USA) schools suck and helping kids understand advanced careers (science, engineering, mathematics, etc.) are worth preparing for long before they start considering where to send college applications. The helps keep the advanced jobs alive and well in my country. I plan on being a manager some day and want a solid team producing the goods of the future demands.

>>7524098
>This helps keep the advanced jobs alive and well in my country. I plan on being a manager some day and want a solid team producing the goods of the future demands.
fixed

>>7524149
...
Did you even change anything?

imagine if op gets jailed..

>>7524184
"The helps keep" to "This helps keep", I think.
Don't know why he quoted the entire sentence, though...

>>7524184
>the
>this

>>7522564
looks like this guy one.
I was on OP's side at first but.. now that I think of it. But it's still unfair, he bought those with his money to keep and some faggot opens his mail and gets the manga collector in trouble

>>7524098
That pisses me off.
I hope no ass hurt cunt parent goes all wierd off you. You do good.

BRB, going through my hentai folder to delete anything that looks suspicious.


Fuck.

wait wait
>Depictions of drugs, murder, rape, incest, and nearly every other form of illegal taboo are not illegal

ok this guy's right too >_>

>>7524312
Deleting it won't do much. They can still find it if they want.

>>7524098

I share your taste in small women.
How are they going to discern age of the character in a manga? Its not like you can track down the actress like in real porn....

It's a repeat offense.

He's done it more than once, and if he's stupid enough to get caught twice, I have no remorse for him.

Plus, that shit's illegal. Case closed.

>>7522695

you were molested? I am sorry.. how do you get trhough it?

>>7524345
If it looks like a little girl, it's a little girl. That nonsense about the tall, big-breasted 9 year old doesn't count, but that 1000+ year old loli vampire is CP, pedophilic scum.

>>7524374
You masturbate to pokemon, you sick fuck. A child's cartoon. You deserve to go to jail for having obscene material on 14 year old girls.

>>7524374
They are 10, you sick duck.

>>7524357
No it isn't. That act was repealed.

>>7524387
>>7524388
Wow. Why so serious?

>>7524412
/r9k/ is the normalfags.

>>7524365
Dude got caught, confessed everything, went to jail, moved out from across the street.

i wasnt beaten or anything and properly groomed, so never manhandled or forced into anything. (manipulated, yes)

Its not NEARLY as big a trauma as the media make it out to be, as long as violence and physical coersion stay out of it.

This thread has devolved into a troll-circlejerk.

>>7524412
Because you asked us to be, mootblox

>>7524424
How did he manipulate you?

>>7524425
It's like /b/, but CP still has yet to be posted!

So according to you guys, this should be illegal?
srsly...?

I'm fucking 18. Maybe if I was 55 looking at shit like this it should be a big deal. But even then, is it THAT bad?

>>7523292
why would this be taken down?

>>7524424
Did you enjoy it? Did he fuck you? What did you do together?

>>7524457
When I was younger I tried to look for porn with people around my age...take that as you will.

>>7524464
shut up ass faggot ngier

>>7524424
scouting leader and also neighbor across the street, he had an hour to and fro every saturday to mentally groom me.

i 'conveniently' could ride with him, since he was scout leader there and had to open up the place.

This translates into me being with himin an empty builduin 15 miles from civilization and at least 30 more minutes before anyone arrived, twice every saturday.

took him months to finally touch me.

>>7524371
No. I feel it is a difference.

Two people, both with the bodies of young girls. One really is a young girl. The other is someone much older, with much more experience, yet still looks like a child. People can be attracted to fucking anything it seems (and even LEARN to be attracted to things).

Someone that goes after kids, who are not fully developed physically but more important mentally are pedophiles. They seek to break that innocence, that unripened mind.

However is it really so weird to be attracted to someone with the mind of an adult, but the body of a near child?

>>7524476
That doesn't answer the question.
If anything it says that you can relate.

>>7524462
It criticizes Obama and says Bush was better, even though he was widely hated.

>>7524482
How did he groom you?

>>7524388
Why, I never-!

If you're not hurting anyone or infringing upon their rights, you're doing nothing wrong.

For those of you who insist other wise, you are the type of person that exemplifies everything that is wrong with the world.

>>7524424
Sooo you weren't really molested, but engaged in sex you could have said "no" too?
How old were you? Be honest.

>>7524494
Wasn't the whole story of that billboard that nobody knows what it is actually about? I remember hearing some people claim it was actually a pro-Obama billboard. You know, "Quit bitching so much about Obama. Remember this fuck-stick?"

>>7524464
well, its weird, you know its wrong in the same way that you know its wrong to steal candy from the supermarket.

parents tell you that stuff is wrong, but at that age they never specify HOW wrong.

as for what happened, i was 8-11 so there are certain ... physical things that wont fit. (for the record: i'm male)

so i was simply too young for teh pooper. (remember ; he didnt wanna doharm ,or he coulda just stretched me like a rubber glove, but that migth have left injury.

ill never know what his thought process was, entirely.

that said: mutual tug and blowjobs, petting that kinda thing.

(i learned at an early age that coffee and cigarettes are no combo)

ZOMG I WAS READING THIS COMIC WHERE THIS GUY MURDER THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE!!!!!!!!! AM I GOING TO JAIL?!?!?!?!?

>>7524501
lol, is this handing ammo to enemy soldiers ?

>>7524424

>Its not NEARLY as big a trauma as the media make it out to be

HELLO?!

It's not until all the police and therapists get a hold of them that they start to feel bad about the situation.

>>7524562
Ha, if anyone on 4chan actually wanted to groom a child, he wouldn't be on 4chan, but on 'other' sites, most likely with a .ru domain.

>>7523592
the guy kidnapped and raped kids previously. he was on parole for it. just how similar are you?

>>7524578
I haven't done that and have no intention to, but I still wouldn't mind being his neighbor. Of course, I have no children.

>>7524551
Huh, he wasn't a very smart pedo if he didn't know how to pooper.

How long did it last? Why did you start? Why did you stop?

>>7524578
Source on that? I seriously doubt it.

>>7524518
i was sexually molested, not 'physically abused' if thats what you mean.

i did say no, but hey, i was stuck there and its the mental weight of of an adult with leaderhip skills bearing down on you...

Also its nice and naughty in a way you only later realize is seriously fucked up.

its still a form of attention. messed up.

later, as months turned into a year and more your resistance erodes away like a statue in a desert, till its gone. till you're a resistanceless new kind of empty inside.

>>7524629
>later, as months turned into a year and more your resistance erodes away like a statue in a desert, till its gone. till you're a resistanceless new kind of empty inside.

What the fuck does this line say? Someone translate it. I think it's Farsi.

>>7524600
smart has nothing to do with it, i would have split over like pine, and if any of his 30 victims showed injury EVAR showed injury or bruises, questions would be asked

only so much you can explain as scouting activity, especially during the week.

als, i didnt start shit, smartypants. the rest i believe is already answered. (age 8 till 11, so 3 years, not long after my birthday he was arrested )

>>7524647
>slowly, my resistance was worn down.
fixed

WILL SOMEONE THINK OF THE IMAGINARY CHILDREN?!?!

>>7524665
What, you don't know? Kids can have anal sex as young as 8 with enough lube and loosening. A doctor said so, so it's true.

How did he get caught, though, if you just kept it to blowjobs? Did he try something that freaked you out? Did you get walked in on?

>>7524665
30? Damn, he was fondling the entire cub scout squad then?
Did you rat him out because you got jealous?

>>7524692
ok, more specific: no peen and pooper

and as i said: maybe he just couldnt take the risk.

One of the kids didn't groom so well and ran to the cops Day one.

>>7524724
He never touched your penis?

>>7524665
30 kids? Were they all boys? I don't think I've ever even seen 30 fuckable boys in the real world, let alone been in a position to take advantage of that many over a sustained period. Did he not have very discerning tastes? Would he even diddle uggos?

>>7524704
a few of his neices, some of the scouting kids, about 4 in my street alone.

never touched his own kid though, too young (inb4 no such thing)

>>7524741
Nah, he probably never touched his kid because it was his kid. Kinda like you can't stand making a move on your own sister or mother despite having a milf or incest fetish or something.

MY GOD

IT IS INK ON FUCKING PAPER

IT IS NOT HIS FAULT HE'S ATTRACTED TO CHILDREN, ONE CAN'T HELP A FETISH

AT LEAST HE'S NOT COLLECTING REAL PORNOGRAPHY

FUCK, IT'S LINES ON PAPER, HOW IS THIS HARMING ANYBODY, IF NOT DETERRING THE CRIME OF CHILD RAPE IN ITSELF

>>7524737
hey its not like he had a great big orgy dungeon or something :P

he did pick a predominant pattern of single-parent kids though

>>7524760
Single parent mothers or fathers?

>>7524724
He never touched your penis or stuck it in your pooper? What did he do then? Shove his dick in your mouth and tell you not to bite?

>>7524737
also, i think he just got lucky with me living across the street. i think he had access to the others a lot less, sometimes only once a month or so, i only ever saw a few of em, had some ideas but its not like he had a picture chart on the wall.

also for privacy reasons, police never told us names either.

>>7522564
>Whats the artistic value of this garbage you fuckwit?
Art is the expression of one's creativity and emotional value, regardless of subjectivity and material, to give something of essential beauty to an audience. While child rape and depictions are disgusting and should be avoided, it is an expression of the artist's desires, thought, and feelings; which in turn appeals and expresses the audience it is targeted for, even if that demographic is criminal and should be avoided. But since the drawn depiction expresses and has beauty to a certain group of people, it is art and can be defended the definition of the word.

The only real concern about child pornography is not the pedophiles and people that get off on it, but the children and victims being raped in said pornography. And I mean real children here. Pedophiles are of no real concern, honestly, but the child rapists and molesters that actually perform this acts.

>>7524754
Because the jury ruled it's obscene.
A BUNCH OF DUMB FUCKING EMOTION-DRIVEN WOMEN, 75 IQ NEGROIDS, AND WHITE TRAILER TRASH PIECE OF SHIT HICKS RULED IT WAS OBSCENE, THIS MAN IS NOW A FUCKING SEX OFFENDER.

>>7524775
>Shove his dick in your mouth and tell you not to bite?
this

also the fondling and mutual tug and blowjobs, as specified earlier.

i was from single mom, one of his neices had a recently divorced mom, cant remember the rest anymore (18 years ago, brah) i had bigger things to deal with than his other exploits.

>>7524833
You can't remember the time when you had a sexual relationship with a grown man as a young boy?

>>7524844
Protip you're replying to a shitty fucking troll

>>7524833
>mutual tug and blowjobs, as specified earlier.

So he did touch your penis? Or didn't? What?

>>7524854
Earlier when he said "no penis and pooper" I think he meant there was never any contact between the two, not that neither was ever touched. Meaning he never had a dick in his ass, but his penis and ass may have been touched otherwise.

>>7524808
most pedo's start that collect eventually produce.
very little money goes around the pedo world, its mostly done in trade for their own new 'works'

pedos who want more pix will eventually HAVE to produce to trade for new material, or end up fapping to teh same kid over and over again.

>>7524853
I'm just really bored between alt+tabbing between 4chan and this flash game. I know it is a troll, as evidenced by my rather rude and flippant dealing with it >>7524704 here

Everyone shouting "who cares you worthless pedophiles this is sick baaw baaaaw" should be round up and shot by true patriots.

Freedom of speech is in place to protect everyones' speech, especially the kinds you don't agree with, not just what you think is "good".

You are a horrible excuse for an American if you think this is a good thing. This is a fucking thoughtcrime and anyone who prosecutes a thoughtcrime is a goddamn traitor and should be treated as such.

>>7524870
Even if he did have to eventually start making his own porn to expand his collection (he wouldn't, he was paying money for his collection), so what? He specifically only collect drawn, not photographed pictures of child porn. If he started drawing his own, there would be no victims still. The article specifically mentioned that he was tried even though he had no actual pictures of children being abused.

>>7524854
what part of "mutual blowjobs" ...

yes parts were touched.

As an small kid giving an adult a blowjob is a bloody hard trick, its like tryin to swallow the head of a baseball bat or pringles can.

i remeber the first time he blasted me in the mouth (some warning would have been nice)
years later we had Asperagus for dinner the taste was similar, i spontaineously broke into tears, hehe.

that was messed up, how do you tell your inlaws their asperagus tastes like a mouth full of coffee-drinkers cum.

Not a compliment to their cooking they are used to hearing.

mootblxo
>>7524870
>most pedo's start that collect eventually produce
[citation needed]

>pedos who want more pix will eventually HAVE to produce to trade for new material, or end up fapping to teh same kid over and over again.
And you think those that start with loli porn will eventually have to start making actual child porn in order to get new loli porn? Because I can go to notfourchan right now and find quite a few doujins of loli, shota, lolixshota, lolixanimal, shotaxanimal, lolixmachine, shotaxmachine, etc, that will satisfy most porn needs for quite a few months until you could possibly get bored, in which time there will be more translated. Or you can just go to /rs/ and type in [loli] or [shota].

Or are you saying that people that masturbate to loli eventually 'graduate' to actual CP? In which case, [citation needed]

>>7524914
no if you somehow aquire 'the real deal' and want more you will either have to find a pedo who will see you in person and trade for cash, or produce your own 'real deal' CP and trade with other pedo's

all i know is they dont often use sites with creditcard transaction, most who do eventually get caught.

skillfull pedo's trade, dont buy

People that like loli's are attracted to real children!
Just like all people attracted to real women also like hentai! wait......

>>7524914
i think 2 discussions are getting confused here

>>7524933
Or you could just get on Tor and download pics and vids for free.

>>7524933
I didn't argue against your second point that they don't buy, because no idiot would leave a money trail.
Also, why would a person solely interested in 2D become interested in 3D? They don't call 3D pig disgusting for nothing.

Also, it's not that hard to get child porn, you just have to know which are honeypots from the FBI. Where do you think those non-reposts from /b/ come from? That actual /b/tards took those pictures and posted them?

>>7524951
> implying the FBI/Interpol doesnt own/control 1/3 of all the exit nodes

>>7524960
think its more the other way around.

non-practicing pedo's try to sublimate on shota/lolicon untill they cant control themselves anymore and grab their first fresh one.

from there, shit snowballs.

this is just my personal guess though.

>>7524997
So isn't shota and loli a good thing, then? I mean, it helps pedos keep from going out and "grabbing their first fresh one", for some time at least, as you say.

>>7525015
yes, thats why i'm all for it.

the same way legalised prostitution drives down rape rates.

some of them can get by with an artificial 'fix'

>>7524997
You're not the first person to guess this, and some people before you have had the guts to test this before deciding it represents reality. None have found this to be the case.

The link between people who download real child pornography and those who sexually abuse children and/or make their own CP is either not causal or is causal in the opposite direction.

Going to prison for loli manga...

Looks every 4channer is fucked.

>>7525034
Are you for the legalization of possession of child porn, then? After all, Japan and Russia do it (some other countries too, but they don't matter), and though I've not the data, surely that falls under the same principle, no? Allow possession of child porn that has been already created so as to curb pedophiles' sexual appetites, but illegalize the creation and distribution of child pornography?

anyway peeps it 04:49 here

unless there are any urgent non how-to questions i shal soon be off.

(i'm talking about you, mr. "how did he groom you, what did he say" ;)

>>7525052
the problemn is that the victims have a right to privacy, so i'm against legal CP from that standpoint.

its not cool to know ppl are still fapping to a tape make of you as a kid.

so no, against CP, but from a wildly different angle

>>7525081
4:49 ? Where do you live? Athens?

>>7525101
And if the victim of said child porn consents? If it was statuatory rape, and, after reaching 18+, the previous-child consents to the usage of his/her child sex tape, is it okay then?

1 simple rule:
The people imposing their beliefs on others are always in the wrong.

point is, before you posess, you have to aquire.

that means you either pay someone to make CP, or you raep a kid and make trade material.

This gets increasingly harder to defend in the digital age where "you wouldnt steal a car" is considered a valid argument by politicians.

when phrased as "you shouldnt rape a kid" it works a bit more

but yeah, digital copies open a new can of worms, like the 'i copied, i didnt steal'

if there was a completely harmless way opf creating fake CP (ex: really sick CGI rendering) then i'd find it distateful, but if applied therapeutically to keep the pedos off the streets, that would be grand.

but you'd first have to find out how this escalates desires in pedo's.

its a minefield and a lot of people just scream ZOMG ITS WRONG BAN EVERYHTING FOR THE CHILDREN

>>7525139
if said person is the only other victim in the tape: 1 man, 1 vote.

I personally wouldnt do it, but hey if the only person harmed says its okay, who are we to judge.

oh my god this whole thread is trolls

seriously, just forget about it

>>7525123
'mainland europe' (considering the lvl of detail ive already spewed, imma not go into location details further, this is still 4ch)

>>7525216
believe what you will, i'm not hocking a scoobydoo meme or something, and nothing ive said is remotely fappable, so i dont see who i would be trolling

Well /r9k/bots, thanks for letting me vent this shit, its been years

allowed 10 mins for new questions, so i'm gonna make leave you with this certificate, Anon

good night

>>7524968

Even if this would be trur (Protip: It's not) it wouldn't compromise your anonymity in the slightest.

LRN2TOR

I'm more disgusted at the reactions in response by my fellow /r/obots. Who cares what it is of, how does this harm anyone? Who is hurt in the process of viewing such material. The courts do not have the right to take away the freedoms of individuals who are not harming themselves or others. It's a comic, it came forth from the mind of an individual. This isn't like cp, where children are forced against their will to perform for a video, this is a manga. Nobody is at risk. Why the law was expanded is a travesty to our court system. Forgetting my outrage at relatively innocent people losing their freedom for looking at A FUCKING DRAWING, our prisons are too fucking full without putting in people who view "immoral images". You know, the prisons already full of innocent Marijuana users and "Marijuana dealers"

MOST FREE COUNTRY MY ASS, MY ASS, MY MOTHERFUCKING ASS. FUCK AMERICA AND FUCK OUR CORRUPT JUSTICE SYSTEM

FUUUUUUUUU-

THIS IS BULLSHIT

Miley Cyrus' sister started her own line of French Maid outfits. I am not kidding. Google it.
It's just so pointless. Adults are constantly biting the bullet in terms of private rights in an effort to protect children who aren't even trying to protect themselves. Kids are being sexualized at younger and younger ages, and it's gotten to the point where middle school girls wear so much makeup that it's actually difficult to tell their age.

Just looking at people like Noah Cyrus makes me rage. Perfectly good, productive citizens are arrested under the guise of keeping kids like them safe, and they reward the corrupt justice by running around in skin tight swimsuits.

If people whine about miley being a bad influence on children, then video game violence or animated rape, cp, is too.

Not that bad. She looks cool.

>>7528909

Well, kids are stupid. But really, their parents should be saving them from pop culture, not the eeeviiiil internet pedos that their children stand even less chance of getting harmed by than real pedos (and you're probably still more likely to get hit by a bus than abused by some random stranger).

>>7528961
I just can't believe that they're allowed to run around like this as much as they want, but anyone who stares is considered a sick fuck, and anyone who faps to a drawn representation of something similar is sent to court.

>>7528961
she looks like a fucking bird. hot damn that is one ugly kid.

>>7528998
a.. bird?

>>7528793

I agree for the most part. I still have a hard time feeling sorry for the fuck though. Look at all the fucking cp manga he had. He sort of brought it upon himself though by not fighting it. Who knows, maybe he could have won?

>>7529068
He wouldn't have won. I have no doubt that someone would have bribed someone else in order to take away his freedom. It's what international politics has become and that is a very, very unfortunate thing.

>>7528961
THE FUCK :O