When I visited Richmond, VA, there was southern pride everywhere. I didn't actually think you guys loved that shit so much, I just thought it was a stereotype. I mean, I didn't actually know you took pride in owning slaves and trying to destroy America...

But you all vote republican either way so it must be in your blood to hate America.

Is that it? Surely there must be more.

>>7434661
Northerner here. Southern pride was about states rights. You're just bitter.

I live in Nashville, too OP.
I feel your pain.
:<

>>7434661
>>Richmond, VA, there was southern pride everywhere.
God damn it. VaBeach-fag here and it's true. I mean, don't get me wrong, being proud of your past and your ancestors is one thing, but wearing a shirt made out of the Rebel-flag passes on an image that I don't think everyone realizes that it does.

that maps incorrect the bottom half of Kansas should be red too.

Southerner here. It sucks, and I am in an oasis among the south.

>>7434684
State's rights, to enforce slavery.

>>7434725
Also, I'm in the shit state - AL

Dear Non South,

I wasn't raised in your land. I don't like your culture. It's not you...wait, who am I kidding? It is you.

You have no values. I'm not talking about you not sharing my brand of values or anything judgmental like that, oh no, you literally have nothing that you independently believe in. Your entire life is filled with nothing but lurching from one emotional high to the other from whatever source you can get it from in one giant consumer society clusterfuck. You have no sense of history, of heritage, of pride; nothing that distinguishes you from the suburban-dweller next door. Sure, you might buy a different colored car than his, but that's as far as you can do or you'll be fined by your home owners association.

Furthermore, your entire reality is determined by whatever is popular at the current time. If it's "edgy" or mainstream, you're on it like a fly to shit. You call the South ignorant and backwards for not changing very much, but at least we can logically trace the trends in our culture from their starting point to current. Do you even know why bell-bottoms are suddenly back in style or why everyone around you goes to a Starbucks? Of course you don't.

The confederacy paraphernalia isn't a celebration of slavery, it's a celebration of individuality. Most (over 90%) of the southerners that fought in the war didn't even own slaves; they fought because people like you were trying to dictate what they should do from somewhere hundreds of miles away. Of course, you wouldn't know anything about fighting for an ideal or celebrating individuality, would you? No, you're just a dime-a-dozen cardboard cutout of a human being.

I agree with you about the women, though. Shit is wack.

We need to get these fucker out of the country.

North East, Great Lakes/rustbelt, and West Coast....we can unite and kick the fucking backwards Christian red states out! or let them have the USA...we can join Canada...I don't really care...I just want OUT of Jesusland.

http://www.fuckthesouth.com/

>>7434750
See, the OP point is valid. This is just bullshit.
What fucking VALUES does the south have? Painting the stars and bars on the top of your truck doesn't give you respect for history. And why would you possibly be proud of confederate soldiers when they were obviously in the wrong? Refusing the process of civil rights to the point of war, resulting in the death of thousands?

I'm glad we have strong Southern values to rely on. The Republicans that hail from the independent south are God's people, and they know how to stand up to the freedom hating federal government. Thank God the South is there to stand solid against DOMA! Hurrah for their progressive stance against the failed War on Drugs! God bless 'em for pushing to make English the only language of the land (oh, and for their outstanding test scores, them Southern schools know how to lern thems kids)! It takes real courage to be the red states that receive the most federal money while the blue states carry the largest tax burden! Yay! The South fucking rules, woooo!

>>7434770
THIS says it all

greatfuckinglinkblox

>>7434813
>implying the Union treated black people any better than the South
>ignoring Union treatment of Irish for decades upon decades
>claiming the moral highground

leading up to the Civil War, the north was industrializing and the south was like a 3rd world country. Have they changed at all since then?

I hate people calling the South ignorant when half our population is fucking ignorant niggers. Fuck you.

>>7434830
The South actually had a higher standard of living than the North did prior to Reconstruction. It had a higher GDP than the North since the inception of the US, too.

>>7434825
>implying i was implying any of that
The bottom line is that the union army was fighting to end slavery, whether or not they treated black people like crap otherwise.
Both sides were racist bastards, but the north was undeniably the lesser evil.

>>7434842
>the union army was fighting to end slavery
>Lincoln himself wanted to deport every black in the United States
>The Union had several slave states in it

Wow, did you never take an American History class in your life? Seriously, Northern standards of education are really slipping.

>>7434830
Really? I thought the south was sort of wealthy up-to the civil war. Sure, not as industrial, but with all the crops and renewable resources they were churning out, they were doing quite well for themselves.

It was post war where they became as poor as dirt.

But, then again, I was taught in the south so it might have some bias there.

Furthermore, I would like to complain about your cuisine. BBQ is not the greatest thing ever... I'm sorry but stop being a tard. Your cooking sucks. I mean seriously... it's BBQ grow the fuck up already.

Oh, boy. Here we go ...
blox

Think about this from a historical perspective. Southerners voting Republican. Blows your mind.

>>7434750
Talk about consumer culture. It's the south that has laws saying that corporations can do basically whatever the fuck they want. At least in north we have some environmental and labor protections. We value individual human beings, we don't see everyone as the property of the corporate police state.

I know southern whites are just too dumb to vote their working class interest and instead vote for pro-corporate politicians just because the Republicans hate gays and minorities. Your sexism and homophobia is keeping you poor and powerless dumbasses!

You talk about bland suburbs....the northeast, great lakes, and west coast have all of the major cities. The only urban areas with any culture in the south that I can think of are NOLA, Miami, and Austin....and their culture is more northern than southern. We in the north have the biggest and best art galleries, museums, zoos, theaters, clubs, office spaces, parks, etc...You have fucking trailer parks and army bases.

The north has a strong rebel history. There were anti-Lincoln riots in New York during the civil war. We condemn their racism, but appreciate people rebelling against a draft that the rich could avoid. Why don't you southerners value your real rebels? Many southerners fought against the confederacy. See...the north has a tradition of fighting against all authority....the modern anarchist and socialist movements came out of the Haymarket incident in Chicago....

>>7434750
Actually I have a respect for history and things that have happened in the past, however they do not define me.

I've lived in the south all my life and my problem with the it is the fact that everyone here is so caught up with 'the man in the sky' that they overlook what it means to actually be a progressive, good, worthwhile person. I don't even know how many churches of the same denomination of protestant christians are in my city, but they number well over 10 of each (excluding mormons).

Too much pride is self destructive, and really only feeds your hatred for others. The Nazi's (by the way I'm a grandchild of one) were the most proud people 'of (their) history, of (their) heritage, of (their) pride' but that didn't make them better than others. In fact it did just the opposite.

By cohering to 'Southern Pride' you're no different than someone who coheres to mass consumerism, with the exception that you believe in an ethereal power. Don't get me wrong, if you want to believe, thats fine, if you want to be proud of your history, go ahead, but don't loose focus on what separates you from an animal - keeping others of all ways of life in mind and heart.

>>7434848
>implying the south wasn't fighting to keep their slaves.
>implying the union victory didn't directly result in abolition.
>implying Lincoln's unacted upon personal opinions make a difference.

I agree, OP, I moved from the North and lived in the South for 2 years. Worst two years of my life. So happy I'm back. What a shithole.

Anyway, you're all retarded for thinking the Civil War was fought over slavery.

>>7434861
>we have great art

Pic related, am i rite?

>>7434878
it wasn't the root cause but it played a significant role. It was a call to arms for both sides.

>>7434866
> implying that the war was fought over slaves that only 10% of the population owned
>implying that the regular northerner would be half as gung-ho about letting blacks have rights if they had to live with them
>implying that modern, NORTHERN white-fright from the overpopulated and ignored major cities isn't just as bad as segregation

>>7434830
I lived in the south for about 5 years and moved out a couple months ago.

I wouldn't say it's anywhere near as bad as a third world country, but the average level of intelligence is at or below the average third world nation. Everyone loves to believe they're the hottest shit in the world, have zero consideration for others, most are obese and "proud", crime rates are ridiculously high, they contribute a good chunk of what makes up the US military (which is why everyone sees the military as nothing but bible-thumping, violent dumbfucks), etc.

It was hell, but still better than most of the world if only due to the fact it's still governed under federal laws. If those states had a real chance to become independent, they'd drop to third world-quality fast.

literacyblocks

if you think nashville is bad, you havn't gone deep enough down south

>>7434893
>implying the entire southern economy wasn't dependent on that 10%
>implying southerners would have to live with so many blacks if they didn't buy and breed so many to begin with.

>>7434901
The U.S. Department of Education's 2003 statistics suggest that 14% of the population -- or 32 million adults -- have very low literacy skills.[23] Of the 774 million illiterate adults worldwide, two-thirds are women.
>two-thirds are women.
Who would've thunk?

>>7434842

So the civil war wasn't fought because the south wanted to succeed and break up the United States?

>>7434936
>implying the majority of the southern economy wasn't based on independently owned farms that used no slaves
>implying that since the North freed the slaves they shouldn't keep them up there

Its pretty impossible to deny that the south has been the major opponent of civil rights every step of the way.
Abolition, desegregation, interracial marriage, blacks voting, women voting, basically everything.

>>7434959
>implying the south shouldn't deal with the own ridiculous situation they made for themselves.

>>7434960
These backward Christian fucks are an embarrassment.

>implying by the south you are not referring too most of Australia

>>7434960
...and? If you don't live here and see what kind of shit blacks do, you shouldn't be able to comment.

Imagine Chicago or DC. Okay, now, imagine that those inner-city blacks made up nearly 30% of your population, sometimes more than that. Would you want those people to have rights?

I really don't get the Confederacy thing.

We were a country for half a decade 150 years ago and we lost.

Jesus Christ let it go already. And if you're gonna fly a flag, don't fly the battle flag, fly the actual Confederate national flag.

Goddamn.

>>7434958
>implying the south wanted to secede for no reason

>>7434965
>implying the South wasn't already doing that until you guys busted up our system

>>7434976

I wasn't implying anything, I asked a question. Try putting your thoughts into sentences next time.

>>7434969
>defending the fight against civil rights
Stormfront troll detected

>>7434825
AKU wasn't a pussy like darth vader. Crying over padme like a bitch.

>>7434985
>defending the largest criminal element in America
Someone who has never lived in a racially-mixed community detected

What a big clusterfuck of ">implying".

>>7434969
Blacks are way more sane and rational than whites....look at public opinion polls and blacks are less trusting of the government, promote more peaceful foreign policy, a more stable regulated economy, etc. Blacks are more politically progressive.

Whites basically want to invade other nations. They are imperialists and state terrorists. They also want to enslave themselves to corporations. All white people think they will be rich someday, so they support the power of the rich in society. In reality most white people will remain poor or working class.

I want black people to run the country because black people are socialists, they know the score, they know how our exploitative capitalist system works.

White people are mostly dumb trailer folk who keep voting for the right wing assholes the bail out bankers and outsource our jobs.

>>7434996
If the south hadn't struggled against the inevitable tooth and nail the victim complexes that plague interracial relations would have a lot less steam to run on.

>>7435004
2/10 will probably catch someone, but in general too obvious.

>>7434958
>succeed
Way to vocabulary, bro.

>>7435004
1/10. Blew your load in the first five words.

>>7434653
>It's not you.... It's me.
>...we have this thing it's called birth control.
>Don't they realize I don't want to spend my college educated money, on blah blah blah
>Another thing... what's with the blah blah blah


Sucks to be dumb, huh? What, did you go to Space Needle Upstairs Law School or something? Everywhere in the States has its share of idiots. You just happen to be one from the North.

>>7435010

Are you saying that its wrong?

lol

>>7435020
Yes, everywhere has idiots.
The south just has more of them.
Do you deny this when all of the statistics say so?
Literacy, education, you name it.

>>7435024
Not know the difference between the words 'succeed' and 'secede'? They are two different words. You have 'succeeded' at failing.

>>7435026
That's because we have more ignorant niggers down here than you do up there.

>>7435026
Didn't say there were fewer here in the South, but I called the OP on being one from the North. Are YOU denying this? If so, there's some breaking news I'd like to share with you!

>>7435024
The word is secede.

>>7435026
https://ask.census.gov/cgi-bin/askcensus.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=784&p_created=11041
82334&p_sid=UQokKSYi&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb
3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MiwyJnBfcHJvZHM9JnBfY2F0cz0mcF9wdj0mcF9jdj0mcF9wYWdlPTEmcF9zZ
WFyY2hfdGV4dD1saXRlcmFjeQ**&p_li=&p_topview=1

> Do you have data on literacy?

> No, we have not collected data on literacy for many years.

>>7435004
lol
>lolblox cause this is too good

People from northern states complain about racism in the south, but the southern states have far greater racial diversity than the north.

I mean, if you never see black people, it's easy to be tolerant of them. I've got nothing against blacks, but you can't have division without diversity.

>>7435042
>the census is the only statistical data available in the country. lolno

>>7435041

No, it isn't.

fgbfs

>>7435056
1938tfhe4gbfoq

It's not funny anymore.

>>7435053
You think the racial breakdown in the south compared to the north is so extreme as to vastly skew people's opinions? Looks you're the ignorant one.

>>7434750
I have values, they just don't get in the way of getting stuff that I want.

I have a heritage, I choose to ignore it and forge my own path because the past is, largely, full of hatefulness and hold-me-back-o-tonic.

I celebrate my individuality, and I do it without conjuring visions of stupid shit rich people did and made my ancestors due.

Oh, and here's the kicker: I manage to do all that without the entire culture of my community being subject to the whims of its lowest common denominator.

>>7435068
It doesn't have to be extreme. You can't be racist unless you have experience with other races, and people in the south have more of that.

iudshfgvsliedhrgbvoiushdfbuhdfoi

>>7434969
Most of America was rural and bumfuck stupid at the time, not just blacks.

>>7435081
>Implying that Japanese or Chinese who have never seen a foreigner are not some of the most racist people on the planet.

>>7435127
>implying that China and Japan hadn't been dealing with most of the Asian world by the time Europeans were learning how to rub two sticks together.

When the commies try to take over the US, you'll be thankful for all of those people in the south, because they'll be the ones to save our asses.

>>7435143
>They've been anticipating it so long they're getting antsy and using up all their ammo on liberals.

move them niggers north!

>>7435143
>>7435166
Communist here...

If the Right wingers wanna kill liberals...great!....take 'em out...they are the ones keeping capitalism afloat. If it's just as far leftists vs the far right...we can win. But liberal reform does just enough to keep the system functioning.

Northerner's Guide to Living in the South:
1. Smile, nod/wave, and go about your business. Nobody is actually nice, they're just pretending to be.
2. Tea means sweet tea.
3. Sweet tea is fucking awesome, but you'll get fat if you drink it all the time.
4. GRITS = Girl Raised In The South. They're just like any other girl in the US - stupid. Put on a cowboy hat and you'll get your dick sucked.
5. Everyone has a gun, even that cute old lady living across the street.

>>7435202
Southernfag here. This is actually pretty true.

>>7435135
>Implying that that has any bearing on current opinion of foreigners in Bumfuck Nowhere, China or Sheltered Nationalist City, Japan.

Stop blaming the entire south for the sins of our Ultra Conservative Republican forefathers. Things are slowly turning around but because of NATIONAL laws we can't just kill our old people. We have to let them die comfortably. You have no one to blame here but yourselves.

>>7435300
There have been times in history when the old, the religious, the reactionary, the conservative were lined up and shot.

Up against the wall motherfuckers! We can do it again.

Wait wait wait wait. You mean to tell me there are almost no niggers up north? To hell with Alabama, Washington here I come.

>>7435341
Uhh.. I'm not sure how to tell you this ...

I'm not going to even bother finding the post, but someone made a comment about Northerners hating blacks just as much as Southerners

Fucking. Retarded. Read ANYTHING about living in the South as a black man, before or after the war.

Black Boy - Richard Wright is a good place to start.

>>7434750
Um no, it was over taxes, and only taxes. Everything else was populist sensationalism.

Personally I like the southern usa just fine and I enjoyed living there (I am a cnd, lived in SC for a yearr and GA for a year), but I dont understand why the fuck everybody flies a confederate flag and doesnt even know what the fuck it means.

Most people who fly it actually think it was some kind of southern flag, when it wasnt, it was a fucking battle standard and it was a noble one, but people dont even seem to recognize that, and when they fly it in ignorance its absolutely pointless.

Again, the civil war had NOTHING to do with slavery, and nothing to do with states rights, it had to do with the North unlawfully trying to grab taxes, and the moment they took arms against the south was the moment that the constitution of the United States of America was reverted to nothing but an old piece of paper.

And it would e great if people could get over their misty eyed pride and realize that cold hard truth.

>>7435471
Um what?
It was about culture, but slavery was a big factor.

>>7435471
Here's the thing: moralistic reasons for partaking in action, if they indeed prompt a sizable portion of the population towards that action, become a reason for that action. The bourgeois thought it was for slavery and their "way of life." It was a major rallying point, and therefore a reason why the war was fought.

Currently military stationed in Florida/Alabama.
everything in the OP is how i feel. The south is repulsive and i miss the northwest dearly.

>>7435471

Disingenuous. The Civil War of course had to do with slavery. The CSC contains provisions on slavery. It mattered.

>>No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed [by Congress]

>>7435341
setting your sights a little low with washington.

Also in b4 some kind of white house joke.

>>7434737

Also nullification of federal laws, economics, and general cultural differences.

Slavery sparked the civil war, but it was not the overall issue. Maryland was fought on the union side and was a slave state, for example.

>>7435509
I hope you are kidding?! I'm stationed in Everett, WA. The only reason I'm able to deal with this area is my 360. I can't wait to go back to Texas where the hot weather and hot women are.

>>7435471

As a History major I am telling you to go fuck yourself.

>>7435551

>Hot Women

You mean fat rednecks?

>>7435551
Texas sucks.

*awaits shitstorm*

>>7435038

>No black people in North
>I live in New York
>Half the city is not white

>>7435471
Yeah, you're totally right and completely consistent! Increased federal taxes have nothing to do with states' rights! Oh 3/10. I responded.

Yeah I live in North Carolina. Just gonna apologize for all the shit-headed fucktards that still think the "SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN!!" because it fucking wont. we lost but they still haven't gotten over it.

>>7435598
In 2000, Detroit was 80% black. I imagine it's at least 90% now.

>>7434653
>>7434653

Excuse me! *ahem* EXCUSE ME! Oklahoma was not a part of the United States' shitty ass civil war thank you. Please do not include us with the fucktard southerns. Thank you very much for your lovely time and please do have a wonderful day!

>>7435997
Oklahoma = hipsters and tornadoes

Dear OP.

Another Nashvillefag reporting in. Its pretty bad here. Rednecks, conservative Christians, Country music assholes and blacks are 97% of the population. At least its cheap to live here.

There are certain neighborhoods in Nashville which are more progressive. Hillsboro Village, 12South, West End & East Nashville are all pretty good.

Wow, OP. This is odd. I moved from TN -TO- WA.

Shit sux, bro. I feel bad for you. Seattle is the best place I've lived, and I've lived primarily in the south(TN and TX.) Besides that I've lived in CT and NY.

WA, or well Seattle is definitely better tier than the places I've lived. :/

>>7436078
Oh, by the way OP. I lived in a much worse area of TN. Memphis.

Yeah. Trust me. Where you're at is probably the better part of TN. :/

Yanks that hate the south make me laugh. What separates the south from the north, in terms of values, is the idea of local control vs national control. The American Revolution was fought over this issue, for pete's sake. Before the Rev War, British citizens living in America enjoyed lower taxes, yet the idea that they were taxed at all by an entity so far away and uncaring towards their plight was enough to spark war.

Think of it this way: If you hate southern ideals, then realize that you wouldn't have to deal with southern ideals if much more autonomy were given to individual states. Don't like Bush's "No Child Left Behind" Act? If education were completely up to the states, there wouldn't be such an act! Don't like a drinking age of 21? If federal (read: national) highway funding weren't dependent on the issue, your state could choose whatever the fuck they like, and you have a MUCH bigger say in your own state than you do on a national stage. Not to mention, if unpopular choices were made within a state, you could always go to another state, and be happy!

It's the core paradox, the only solution for yanks who hate southern ideals is to embrace southern ideals. It's so delicious, it kinda makes me want to fap.

>implying nashville is the deepest and worst part of the south

Stupid sheeple are not contained by invisible borders.They are everywhere, all over the planet. Differentiation is only for distraction.

>>7434842
Union army was fighting for the union of north and south. Lincoln could give fuckall about slaves, he was a moderate abolitionist.

>>7434653
>>7436136
>>7435166
>>7435135
>>7435127

fffffuuuuuuuuuu-.jpg

Sorry, I mean:
>implying fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu-.jpg

>>7436202
He started to change his tune towards the end of the war when it was safe for his true opinions to come out. The Union fought a righteous war. The south did not.

Southern girls WILL fuck you.

Tennessean here, northernfags suck.

>>7434661
slaves were a definite benefit to america

Richmond isn't bad at all, its only when you get to the outskirts of Henrico and Chesterfield that shit starts to go down hill.

USA regions power rankings:
1. Northwest
2. Midwest
3. West/Southwest
4. South
5. Northeast
6. Middle East

>>7436272
Do the ones on top have less power or something?

>>7436272
actual rankings:
northeast
northwest

the rest

hey OP go fuck urself we dont want ur yankee ass here to begin with and take the niggers with u

>>7436134
You fuckers keep forgetting that even the shitty quality of life you enjoy is only possible due to Northern dollars. Without our tax money, you would "self-govern" yourselves straight into third-world poverty.

history is written by the winner
the civil war was not a fight between good and evil

The genteel Southerners are of a cavalier class and can trace their ancestry back to the Norman nobility in the court of William the Conquerer. Them damn Yankees, by contrast, are mere Caucasoid mongrels, mostly of crass Anglo-Saxon stock.

Pic related: a fine Southern gentleman

>>7437695
Normans decended from Vikings. Vikings came from dirt farmers in Scandanavia. Therefore, Southerners are dirt farmers.

tho the northwest and the northeast have their small conflicts, we can band together with ease to remind the south that that part of the nation is like africa is to the rest of the world.

>>7437738
>Vikings came from awesome pagan hunter gatherers.
fixed

Hey.

Hey.

What the fuck? Delaware isn't the South.

The South Will rise again. . .through dedicated programmers like myself. :D.

>>7437755
You wish. Learn you some history son. They were impoverished farmers.

I'm English, and this whole thread makes me laugh!

>>7437788
How is The Islamic Republic of Britain doing these days?

>>7437781
The south currently stops at DC, you really could make the argument the south starts with Fredericksburg since NOVA is such a different place.

dsfsad
I live in Indiana and my neighbor has a rebel flag in his window. o_o

>>7434661
I'm from Richmond. I recently found out that we call Martin Luther King, Jr. Day Lee-Jackson-King Day or something stupid. lulz

Also, when Gilmore or someone ran for governor (or Senator), he had a Confederate flag on his car or something. YEAH, VIRGINIA, YEAH.

I dunno where I want to move to after college. I've actually explored more of Europe than America, so I don't know where to head up north. Pennsylvania, maybe?

>>7437844
>Pennsylvania
enjoy your AMISH

>>7437844

> we call Martin Luther King, Jr. Day Lee-Jackson-King Day or something stupid.

For reals? Back in my day, we called it NND.

I live in New Jersey and this place is lol

One part of Jersey is full of niggers
Another part is FARMS EVERYWHERE
Then you have the rich people
Then there's the normal people
Then you have your fucking south/rebel pride hicks/red necks with their confed flags riding around in their pick up trucks

It's like they squeezed all of the US into this tiny ass state.

Dear Yankee OP,

I'm from Louisiana. I agree with you. Halp.

Tldr

Long live the confederacy

Itt:
Everyone thinks they are the shit and because of that, anyone who is different is wrong

>implying Texas is part of "the south"

If northerners hate the south so much, STOP RETIRING HERE! Your tourists are fine, they bring revenue. But your old and usless just clog up our roads.

>>7436134
you, sir, are a scholar and a gentleman. please enjoy one bonus internet.

whoa i lived in th franklin/brentwood area for years. shit is fantastic.

ITT: liberal yankee faggots and republican redneck faggots argue over who's the biggest faggot. LONG LIVE THE SOUTHWEST

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN.
LONG LIVE THE QUEEN.