ERUDITIOUS!

But see, for me it isn't just that I don't hate to hear about the reality of their situation, it's just that when they're stinking rich and still talking about that type of situation, it loses all credibility on them.

>it's just like all the other forms of violent and hypermasculine media glamorized by white culture - think about the kind of movies you watch (Terminator) and video games you play (Call of Duty), fucktards.

Yes, but by comparison, hip-hop is utterly retarded. Enjoy your ape music.

WU TANG WU TANG

>reality of their situation
>FUCK BITCHES SMOKE TREES SHOOT PEOPLE IN DA CLUB

Some hip hop is alright. I suppose people who hate rock are racist as well?

Some people just don't like the music.

musicaltasteblox

I fucking love Del the Funkee Homosapien, and I'm as white as they come.

Eminem is a great lyricist. And the Beastie Boys are kickass and have been around for decades.

I don't hate "good" hip hop, but most of it really is garbage. And niggers that glamourise their "culture" really are scum.

What happened to people like Run DMC, singing about staying in school and working hard?

>>7232721
Here's the problem:

Terminator is science fiction. Glorifying war is a white past time, and arguably an important societal feature in an imperialist country.

BIG rapped about selling crack to kids. Other topics include glorifying gang violence, drug dealing, doing anything for money, etc

The white majority still condemns these things as moral decay. Maybe it's time to change that?

>>7232721
Terminator and Call of Duty are entertainment.
Now, is hip-hop entertainment or is it talking about the reality of the urban black situation.

The problem is most of it's the former. Well, that's not a problem except for your argument. Just as no one is racist or any other negative thing for not enjoying Terminator or Call of Duty, no one is racist or any other negative thing for not enjoying hypermasculine/violent hip-hop.

Now SOME hip-hop (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrKi8mPR494) IS about the reality of the situation. But it's also not hypermasculine or violent.

>>7232861

THEY GOT FUCKING SHOT DEAD YOU DUMBASS

>>7232766

Thanks for your contribution - "x is retarded" is not an argument.

You are retarded.

That's just a statement.

>>7232771

>or if it's some version of reality, perhaps slightly embellished, it's just like all the other forms of violent and hypermasculine media glamorized by white culture

ITT: CRACKERS WHO THINK RAP IS HIP HOP


LILWAYNE SUX COX BLOX

>>7232871
>BIG rapped about selling crack to kids. Other topics include glorifying gang violence, drug dealing, doing anything for money, etc
>The white majority still condemns these things as moral decay. Maybe it's time to change that?

Or maybe it's time to change the double standard in the proper way in condemn imperialist media as well. Because fuck you I am not approving the glorification of selling crack to kids.

>>7232878

And I'm stating you are a nigger, go eat shit and die.

I admit that I hate hip hop culture. I think it's shitty and uninteresting. I think the same about a lot of subcultures influenced heavily by certain musical styles, though I find hip hop to be the least tolerable. In particular, the slang and "ghetto" way of speaking is offensive to my ears and pisses me off to no end.

If metal music made you talk like a fucking retard I'd hate metal, too.

I've had it, Trying to explain this same formula.
Perfect paranoia.
Don't let me trust a soldier.
Thought we'd all understand now since we're older.
They pass manilla folders and 100,000 die.
They built the public schools with factory workers in their eyes.
Since we don't manufacture now they don't need men.
It's easier to start wars than it is to feed kids.
Damn we callous.
We kept off balance.


Kept off balance as i harness raw talents
Said a million times prefer bullets to ballots
Kept off balance
Ideas are valid.

Populous with no ambition
Content to tear at flesh formed somber progression.
So where's the lessons to digest within aggression?
These filthy blocks are all immersed in raw tension.
Meanwhile they act like poverty was our invention.
The meek inherent what and when is my question.
I read your weak history text that never mention
A solitary second of my people's true intentions.

I don't hate hip hop because it's made by black people, I hate hip hop because it's repetitive, annoying, and lacks any real substance.

>>7232875
lolno

stupid niggers dont even know their own culture

fucking sad if you ask me

White guy here. I actually liked hip hop, too bad you niggers don't like white people.

Fuck off.

Why's our inner streets left in shambles?
I know a niggas got to eat.... but do we got to play sambo?
Suburban copies sloppily repeat what seen on airwaves.
Completely miss gist of dimly lit stairways.
How dare they make us trivial
Made it seem we never counted
My culture's demise was more literal than it sounded
Theories well grounded, inevitably unearth skeletons of fellow men.
Pristine bones got bleached of their melanin
While they teach mere scraps of tinged truth
Corrupts youth
Views constrict these pupils.
The useful made fools with eyes that blur proofs.

lots of racist suburban whites really like hiphop, though.

also, what if i hate all of the dumb-tier hypermasculine media?

>>7232978

The entire genre, huh?

Interesting story, friend.

>>7232861
didn't sell that well, you might as well say why didnt motley crue sing about being true to your women and staying clean.

to be honest, i dont think white ppl would ever have taken to rap as well as they have if it werent for the beastie boyz and a man named Rubins ( their genius producer)

>>7233006
Uh, yes? It's practically the definition. I also don't like the entire genre of 'noise' music like Merzbow. Is it that hard to understand?

>comparing the glamorization of war and heroism to the glamorization of crime, hedonism and general depravity
Cool
Story
Bro

>>7233045

>implying all white bands are just like Motley Crue.

Niggers have a hivemind that isn't present in white culture or entertainment.

Black guy here.

I'd say if anything, the reason they are looked down upon is due to their atrocious use of english. Sure it is replicated in white culture, that is not to say i don't agree that it is utter hypocrisy to criticize Hip-hop and enjoy mainstream white culture.

With that, I will also point out that main-stream hip-hop IS crap. Its created to be crap and sold as crap, because crap sells. On top of that Wu-tang is the fucking shit, but they are not the best nor are they the best example of Hip-hop having any sophistication. If you want to argue that Hip-hop deserves a second listen, advocate for albums such as Illmatic or Doe or Die. Gym Class Heroes is a fantastic Hip-hop band. The roots are even better (especially Do you want more!?!?) . I can conclusively say that Hip-hop albeit different from conventional music due to its eccentric use of vocal rhythms and tones, is a true art form, never mind musical medium. Oh and Lauryn Hill, definitely listen to her.

>>7232721

i don't hate hip hop i just hate how terrible their grammar is. i'm not even much of a grammar nazi, hell, i'm probably using poor grammar right now, but i just can't stand hearing shit like
"you know who i be
i now who you is"

and similar shit.

I genuinely do not like hip-hop. I'm not going to rule out the possibility of liking it, but all my life, I've never heard a hip-hop song that I liked.

I used to live with a guy that liked, "good hip-hop". Listened to Wu-Tang and Aesop Rock and stuff similar to that. And I still fucking hated it. Everyone tells me, "Man, you don't like hip-hop? You've never listened to Aesop Rock!". Yes. I have, and I still don't like that shit.

>>7232899
There is no such thing as pro imperialist media. In fact, anti imperialist media is much more common, mostly because it aims either to control the opposition or shunt them into the alex jones tin foil crowd.

For everyone else, media merely promotes attributes useful to an imperialist country, like sanctioned violence (war), an exaggerated power image of the police (Cops, most people get away with their crimes), and cultural programming which sets an expected, subconcious standard for people entering such fields as the medical field, police force, educator, etc. These shows create a dramatization and an idealized picture of their fields, because nobody wants these shit jobs, or at least not nearly enough people. Sure doctors, but who wants to go to medical school to be a nurse? Not enough people.

This programming is not directly a tool for imperialist leadership. The large majority of people are not smart enough to even subconsciously pursue these lack luster advertisements. Most people end up not going to college, working some lower middle class job (see 25k a year max), and these people need to be ready to die to defend everyone else. That's why we worship war.

If you ask me, that's also why mass media also promotes sensationalist violence in black culture. It keeps these men poor, violent, and also trains them to accept authority like prison. All three of these things are essential to creating a class of expendable workers and expendable infantry.

>>7232899
Saying this is like a heroin addict pointing out everyone elses problems. A problem is a problem regardless of other problems, they should all be fixed as fast as possible.

Hip Hop and actual Rap is different

I like Hip Hop, to dance to at clubs

I hate listening to LOLNIGGERS rap about how many people they killed in the ghetto

>>7232946
>>7232960
>>7232993

who is/are the artist/s here?

I still remember when everyone was trying to be oh-so Hip Hop. White people. In Germany. It was annoying to no end. I like some rap music, I'm not sure if hip-hop culture in the US is doing all that much good but I respect people developing their own culture in difficult circumstances; but white middle-class teenagers in central Europe pretending to be hip-hop gangstas - oh no.

I like black artists like Bad Brains and Jimi Hendrix. I've just never heard any hip-hop that I liked.

hip hop has been shit for almost 15 years. and no i am not racist for not liking it. i am racist for other reasons

>>7232721

white people are the largest consumers of rap music, idiot.

I hate most hip-hop because it's derivative, bland, shallow, and disingenuous. I don't like hearing some overpaid hack TALKING over a looped drum beat about how hard his life is. It isn't hard. It probably never was. I can't imagine any mainstream hip-hop "artist" was ever in some dire situation because of the connections and wealth needed to be signed to a record label in the first place. I doubt there's a black limo driving around the gangland hood looking out for a marketable rapper.

It's phony. It's why I hate country music. I don't like some cunt trying to feign sympathy for the working class about the treachery of a 9-5 job when the guy singing never has to worry about such things. It's like Miley Cyrus plugging her stupid Wal-Mart line. She wouldn't be caught dead in Wal-Mart clothes and I don't like being encouraged to be frugal from some slutty child.

Now, if it sounds good and isn't preachy/self-promoting, then I'll give it a shot. I really have no interest in Kanye/50 Cent because neither one of them can even rap properly. They don't have the flow or lyrical prowess. They fucking rhyme words that don't rhyme or augment the words so that they do.

That's not a "wordsmith." That's a hack.

>>7232721
>comparing MF Doom to GZA and Ghostface Killah

whatthefuckamireading.jpg

J. Cole is relevant to this thread

I just hate hip-hop because no instruments and autotune out the ass? Not music.

Fuck you. You call the shit on the radio today music? None of those assholes have talent. Anybody can sing about bitches and hoes, drugs and police to a looping electronic beat.

Before hip hop became popular, people used to listen to music with feeling and talent. Real instruments were being played by truly skilled individuals. Everywhere sounds like a fucking bar nowadays, music has no class anymore. Are you saying songs like "tick tock" and "I like to fuck" are comparable to beethoven's fifth!?

You want to hear real music? Listen to something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRf-nHH_63g

Wether you like acoustic stuff or not, you have to admit, you can feel the emotion just oozing out when he plays. Nothing like the detached, mass produced autotuned shit that passes off as "music" today.

>glorification of gang culture
This seems to be a faggoty buzz-idea used by faggots. You guys probably would get pissed off if someone said video games caused you to be violent. Shut the fuck up.

Only reason to hate it

Retards
Attempting
Poetry

Enough said... :)

I like how everybody in this thread is ignoring the points I made in the OP and just saying "DURR ANYBODY CAN MAKE RAP DURR ALL ITS ABOUT IS BITCHEZ AND MONEY DURRRR"

READ THE OP AND RESPOND ACCORDINGLY OR FUCK OFF DERP.

>>7233531

You're just mad about the truth...

>>7233531
Except you're claiming we don't like it for specific reasons.

That's incorrect.

>>7233531
How's about the fact that white people buy the most rap/hip hop music?

White people hate "Hip-Hop" because songs glorifying Gang Violence, Drug Use, Drug Selling, committing Crimes and Felonies, Spousal Abuse, and Glamorizing the mistreatment of Women are generally considered wrong.

Funny how the people who don't view these subjects as acceptable seem to live a better standard of living, and experience less crime, violence, and domestic problems. But wait, I forgot, that's racist.

Music requires instruments and talent.

Rap is not music.

>>7233531

Some people dislike rap because it glorifies values they don't agree with.

These same people would also dislike the violent films or video games you mention.

Others dislike rap because it's not aesthetically to their tastes.

Still others like violent films and games, but don't like that same aesthetic in their music.

You basically tried to claim anybody who dislikes hip-hop does it for one specific reason. You're a fucking idiot, who just can't accept other people dislike things you enjoy.

Also, K'naan is the greatest rapper alive. He makes actual music, not fucking hacky garbage like most rappers.

>>7233543

Actually I'm mad that nobody (save this dude >>7233186) has posted anything worthwhile.

Morons like >>7233452 think POPULAR MUSIC is representative of an entire genre.

"herp derp simple electronic beat, no instruments" - BECAUSE ELECTRONIC MUSIC ISN'T REALLY MUSIC AT ALL RIGHT? SAMPLING ISN'T A LEGITIMATE PRODUCTION TECHNIQUE THAT TAKES SKILL AND TALENT AND WAS PRACTICALLY PIONEERED BY HIP-HOP OR ANYTHING.. I'M SURE YOU COULD COME WITH AN ILL FLOW AND GENIUS WORDPLAY AND AN AWESOME BEAT BECAUSE RAP IS A TALENTLESS ARTFORM RIGHT RETARD?

I like Sage Francis, Atmosphere, and Pigeon John.

They are far more enjoyable hip hop artists than the wannabe gangster rappers.

NIGGERS have traditionally made the best music except for composed music--what most people refer to as 'classical music'

jazz, blues, original rock & roll, hip hop etc...

most modern nigger music is shit

>>7233550

Well, considering the majority of the population is white..

Gangster rap isint all of hip hop


Listen to something good faggot

Man I don't give a fuck; i don't care what rap songs' content are, but if that shit's bumpin it's BUMPIN. All of Enta Da Stage is smokin blunts and smokin fools and it's much better than GAYSOP Rock and his shit ass beats you can't even bop yo' neck to.

>>7233644

Way to invalidate your own point you shit retarded fuck.

Most people hate rap music because they've been exposed to the generic gangster rap shit that's super popular.

They don't hate it out of any sort of 'insecurity' or racism. They hate it because it's BAD. Here enough shitty songs in a genre of music without any good ones, you become convinced that genre is shit.

>>7233550

BUY music. White people are the only ones with enough money to go out and buy CDs. black people in the hood still listen to rap/hip-hop, they just get it on bootleg

>>7232721
Hieroglyphics had some great shit. some even better then wu tang

a lot of white kids who love rap are really deeply racist.

ITT: OP is a dumb nigger whom is mad.

>>7232835
Damn straight

Goddamnbloxxx

>>7233644
>>7233186
Respond then?

Honestly, I don't think music was ever meant to express political agendas or anything more than simple morals. It is the wrong format, especially in todays modern entertainment arena. Any proper political message should be well researched, backed by primary source documents, and balanced with opposing viewpoints. Same with good philosophy, it needs to be in a proper context.

Consider that in the text on a single page of an average textbook or political writing you could fit at least four full length mainstream songs.

I think the real flaw with your original logic is that you expect a 3 minute medium to promote a 5 year plan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2JfY-nVaqg

is very relevant to conversation, but DAMN IS IT FUNNY!!!

NIGGA BE BROKE NOW!!!

>>7233767

Case in point. This song is precisely why I hate rap.

I hate Lady Gaga, I hate Li'l Wayne, I hate Ke$ha, I hate Kanye West. They're all no talent hacks who do not deserve the fame and money they have recieved. There are garage bands out there and indie bands who have ten times the talent, but because they don't have "connections" they will never be discovered. Instead we have uneducated "thug" assholes who can sing poorly written rhymes over pre-existing music and get away with it. People are so stupid, this girl thought that Flo Rida wrote "Spin Me Round", I had to explain that it was an old song he was rapping over.

Why is the music industry a popularity contest? It should be about the quality of the music, not "who you know".

Not rap, but similar problem, Simon Cowell's X-factor contestants get on the radio no matter how shitty their music is, because Simon said they would be famous. That is bullshit. Most of them don't even have original songs.

I like rap and hip hop. I like freestyle rap mostly. I even like shit about money and bitches cuz I like those things. I like metal, jazz, post-rock, dubstep, and a bunch of other types of music too. No point to this post really :)

>listen to "thros some d's"
>dad comments that the song is objectifying women and says i shouldn't listen to garbage like that
>song is about cars
>he listens to motley crue

:/