because there's a lot of pissed off conservatives in Massachusetts. something like only 2 out of 3 people wear seatbelts there. voter turnout among the right is going to be HUGE this year.

meanwhile the left is thinking "oh hey we live in Massachusetts why even bother going to the polls"

AND ITS SWEEEEEEEEET
SWEEEEEEEET
SWEET VICTORY YEAH!

People don't like "the health care plan" because it's another unaffordable handout to insurance corporations, unions, and various other politically connected interests. People are fucking sick of this corporatist shit.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/hea
lth_care_reform

There's an old saying, you liberals should get used to hearing it, because it's a truism that will be a truism for eternity:

Democrats excel at yanking defeat from the jaws of victory

Example: Barack Obama
Second, older, example: Paul Wellstone Memorial

>>7183391
this. Democrats and Republicans agree. this bill really fucking sucks.

>>7183399
....what? have you not watched the news in 16 months? Obama won the presidency, dude

>>7183315

Yes, the Democrats have a 3:1 margin, but independents are still the largest portion of the voting base. They were leaning 60:40 from the last poll I saw (yesterday). There is genuine disgust on how the healthcare reform is going. I would be pissed about all of the no media meetings concerning this.

But yeah, Democrats were lazy about this one. I am still surprised that this was even considered close.

>>7183399
Another example:Democrats lost to George W. Bush twice.

>>7183423
yes and he's now handily yanking defeat from the jaws of that victory

>typical libtard I have to spell this shit out to you even though it should be pretty fucking clear on it's face

>not like I don't expect that from people like you though

>>7183478
technically 3 times, of which the Paul Wellstone Memorial was really the grandest and most profound of the three (2002 mid term elections when Repubs should have lost pretty handily)

bitch just conceded the race

game over

so sowwy libs

>>7183478
The second time fucking astounded me. It seemed like the entire country hated him, then he wins LEGITIMATELY. How the hell did that happen?

>>7183553
Kerry and Edwards were arrogant, full of hubris, and terrible candidates who would have lost the Iraq conflict and Afghanistan too

No one wanted that, even if Bush was fucking up pretty bad and he was, he didn't lose the fucking wars

Also, read Game Change, Edwards had lost his mind by then and it showed

Bush really was the only honest choice in 2004, sorta like Obama really was the only honest choice in 08, even though he's been a fucking joke this whole year

>>7183501
what? I'm a conservative. and Obama didn't lose Coakley her seat. Coakley and idiot Democrats lost her her seat.

Thank fuck. Way to go Mass Democrats. The rest of us appreciate your loss.

America, Fuck yeah.

Also, OP... fuck you.. you are obviously a retard.

>>7183598
Obama is the symbol of incompetent Democrats like it or not

He's the figurehead

Anything that happens is on his shoulders

the buck stops here

>>7183405
word. I am with this guy.

>>7183423
That was before the healthcare bill.

The democrats should have just killed it when it was clear the public option wouldn't pass. Mandates but not public option = terrible bill that will single-handidly result in a huge republican comeback in 2010 and 2012.

>>7183315
she's hot

wowblox

>>7183315
Eh. Par for the course.

The Congressional Democrat is an inferior species. They haven't got any good survival instincts and are incapable of doing anything substantial. Turn of the millennium, during the 90's, during the 80's with conservative dixiecrats becoming Reaganists.

the Congressional Democrat hasn't had a lick of sense since... well shit since fucking LBJ's time.

lol @ harvard and mit

>>7183539

LINKS MAN!

I NEED PROOF TO SHOVE INTO MY FAMILY'S FACES!

>>7183621
he actually did a pretty good job of trying to pass it through (not saying I agree with it here)

>>7183644
well, yeah. I'm really not sure why they're still trying to get it through. I guess they don't want to look weak?

and tbh I don't think Obama ever really -wanted- the public option. he's really never supported it. don't got a great feeling about that guy.

which saddens me, because as a conservative, I'm all FOR a public option. it was the only part of the bill I liked.

public option. option. as long as a single cent of my tax dollars don't go to it, I really don't care.

The american working class has once again showed how fucking retarded it is. They actually believe the free market benefits them.

>>7183621
I would agree and I hate republicans. When things come down to it republicans can get what they want done even if it is worse off for just about everyone whereas dems are just like deer in headlights. Look at all the shit bush was able to do while most the meaningful time republicans only had a majority. Now the Dems own the presidency, house, and a fucking super majority in the senate and they cant get anything fucking done because they are pussies. Dems wasted a lot of their time trying to get bi partisan support by peeling off a couple repugs but are too blind to realize that they could shit gold and the american dream and the republicans would still fight tooth and nail against it. They bent over so much that what came out was a piece of shit nobody wanted, they managed to piss off the right and the left. At least when republicans want something they go for broke and fuck everyone else. Guess what, they tend to get it

>>7183725
he did an okay job of sitting back and letting Pelosi and Reed fuck everything up

Obama's problem man, is he simply was not ready for prime time.

He probably could have been a good President with a term and a half under his belt as Senator instead of 3 or 4 years under his belt.

He just didn't learn to temper his ideology with any common sense, and he didn't learn how to lead the Congress and Senate towards fruitful compromise

He really just....over stepped, big time, by choosing to run in 08, despite him winning the election

Shoulda let McCain catch it once then run against him in 2012 and cleaned his clock

Or Hillary but she wouldn't have won probably, just too much bad history there between her and the public

Shocker: People don't like the health care bill.

I will tell you how they lost.

You see that woman in the picture the OP posted. She felt entitled to the seat on the basis that she was a Democrat going for Ted Kennedy's seat. I hope this teaches the Democrats a lesson all over the United States. Nothing is entitled to the Democratic party, if you want the seat, you have to fight for it. You have to claw your way all the way through, not sit back and easy ride.
The democrats are going to come out strong in the 2010 November elections because of this. Tonight's disaster is the equivalent to a great nation losing a war out of lack of care. The democrats being the great nation of course. They will realize that they have to fight, and they will stop taking bullshit from the republicans completely. Stop attempting to compromise. Stop being friendly. Push all the shit you can through however you can and ignore those whose job it is to say "no".

>>7183725
>and tbh I don't think Obama ever really -wanted- the public option. he's really never supported it. don't got a great feeling about that guy.

Video footage taken at a private dinner with the AFL-CIO has Obama saying he eventually wants single-payer universal healthcare. The public option was a means to an end.

Also, if you're for a public option, you're not a conservative. Period. You can call yourself anything you want, but you will never be a real conservative with that kind of heart.

>>7183796
it just seems to me like he wanted to pass it, no matter what was in it. really weird man.

>>7183740
says the kid who's parents pay 50% in taxes because they dont believe they can manage their own cash to buy health care

>>7183725
yeah.

the fucked up thing is that even most moderate conservatives would have liked a german-style system (private non-profit insurance companies founded and regulated by the government).

Mandates + means-tested subsidies though? Man, talk about the least popular and effective thing they could have done. Maximizes corporate handouts, minimizes cost efficiency, makes things actively worse for everyone not receiving the subsidizes because mandates allow all kinds of abuse since you can't simply not buy insurance if it gets too abusive.

>>7183825
>Stop attempting to compromise. Stop being friendly. Push all the shit you can through however you can and ignore those whose job it is to say "no"

I honestly hope they do this. There will be about 10 Democrats left in Congress after 2010.

The reason passing any healthcare reform is so important is because its permanent. Note that I count China as not shifting from universal healthcare because they still subsidize it for everyone. Universal healthcare is forever.

If America adopts universal healthcare, no matter how flawed, it is eternal. It may be shrunk but it will not go away. Opinion polls in areas that adopt it show that after about a year most people support it, even in places where it clearly does not work like Brazil.

>>7183740
Listen to me, all of you.

There is no free market there never was. There never will be. The free market has never been free, because the market does not regulate itself.

I am so lolling at this

keep digging, people, KEEP FUCKING DIGGING THIS HOLE DEEPER AND DEEPER

>>7183825
This.

Martha Coakley is an arrogant asshole, and her campaign just made her look worse, if possible. Nothing but attack ads on Scott Brown. Brown is a fucknard, but he ran a smart campaign.

I voted for Coakley purely to keep a democrat in that seat, I absolutely fucking hate her.

>>7183832
how is it not conservative to have a government run insurance paid for only by those who participate in it? the part with the subsidies is what pissed me off.

as far as single-payer I'm just not sure at this point if he's a corporatist, or just really, really bad at being an incrementalist.

I thought he was an incrementalist until he told a bunch of Democrats to vote against that bill that would have allowed us to import cheap drugs.

Brown was elected on personality.

Massachusetts is one of the most liberal states in the union, the man was elected more because people are pissed off and less on actual policy.

This happens all the time, president is not Jesus, people vote for a different party, same shit as last time happens. American politics never changes, it is one reactionary vote after another.

I am not going to say the democrats are worth voting for, they aren't. But at least they have a plan worth listening to, the republicans are just bitching about communism and spreading fear in the vague hopes it will work. And like always, it does.

Our government was in a stalemate anyway, congress is so far up its own fucking ass it does not represent us and prefers to play pointless party politics. Washington is rolling in his grave.

I would rather a government that works and fucks up then a government that would rather spend all its time arguing over stupid bullshit then working.

>>7183879
i live in massachusetts, which already has the "universal" health care that you're talking about...
unsurprisingly, it's bloated and cost way more than originally anticipated -- you can read up on the polls taken from mass citizens on the boston globe (owned by ny times, so a conservative bias shouldn't be a problem)

Non Amerifag here,

Is she a red neck or a whiny faggot?

>>7183927
>>the republicans are just bitching about communism and spreading fear in the vague hopes it will work.
How very 6 years ago this all is.

Google Bush and Nazi and see what I mean.

>>7183955
She's the typical woman liberal bitch

HOPE CHANGE CHANGE HOPE CHANGE HOPE CHANGE

>>7183955
Whiny faggot.

THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST LULZWORTHY MOMENTS IN MODERN AMERICAN POLITICAL HISTORY

HUZZAH

>>7183956

I don't give a fuck what happened six years ago. Unless it is relevant I really don't.

Bush was a fucking idiot, but I never called him a Nazi. But honestly, the level of insanity and scare tactics coming from the right is sickening and destructive. Instead of working on solutions they are bitching about communism, I have yet to see or hear anything constructive come from the republicans. Not in the last 8 years and sure as fuck not now.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

lol liberals.

>>7183994
Don't forget New Jersey.

If we can win in those places, we can win anywhere.

>>7183893
The "market regulating itself" is simply an allusion to Adam Smith's invisible hand. I.e. businesses want to be successful, and have to do things the populace wants if it wants to survive and prosper. If it doesnt, no matter how big or strong it thinks it is, that business will die quicker than a democrat's hopes for a proper universal healthcare bill.

Of course businesses dont actually regulate themselves in the sense of keeping themselves "kosher" because of principle. They keep themselves kosher because they dont want to die out.

>>7183943
I know it sucks. But the last time I checked (several months ago) the majority of the population still supported it.

HAHA SUCK IT LIBFAGS WE TOLD YOU YOUR DAYS WERE COMING TO AN END FASTER THAN YOU THOUGHT! WAIT FOR THE REST OF 2010 ELECTIONS

aaaaaaaaaaaaaand that makes state number THREE obama has lost:

Virginia, New Jersey, Massachusetts

keep it up!!!

i don't even know where i'm registered to vote! oh well...

>>7184047

And then we can go back to more political stagnation and corporate cocksucking and all will be well with the world.

I am not going to say the dems are any better, but voting for any mainstream republican is retarded. End of story. You might as well vote for a lobbyist who moonlights as a preacher, and they make it painfully obvious this is the case.

Ted Kennedy's successor after his death will kill the prized health reform he worked for all his life.

Biggest political tragedy ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LCyVFFHKO4

Republicans - Fucking this country over one administration at a time. I swear you can ask any republican and they will tell you making an extra 40 cents is worth more to them than saving 1,000 American's lives they have never met.

>>7184087
The healthcare bill is a 50 billion dollar handout to the health care industries moron. No person who supports universal should support this pile of shit either way.

Anyone that wonders why she lost should google the attack ads that have been playing nonstop for weeks. Its pathetic that people are stupid enough to slurp up anything the tv vomits at them.

>>7184050
Whether or not the majority of the US population supports it or not is moot.

What's on the table is nowhere near that shit, and less than 40 percent of the nation supports the abortions they call bills from both senate and house

>>7184100

sicko?

c'mon dude.

>>7183956
You do not understand the words that you type.

Listen up.
This is the beginning of a hardcore Christian fundamentalist uprising. You think it's a mirror effect of six years ago? You are wrong. These republican and teaparty leaders are playing the Red Scare propaganda that has gotten itself stuck in the American psyche. You hear me, they are hammering a nail that has already been properly placed in the 50's and 60's. The American people are not that intelligent, especially the older generations. They have this anti communist and anti socialist mentality and all one has to due is use key trigger words and it flares up.

You know not what you type, my friend. These are the beginning of rough times.

But I thought the republican party was just a regional party now.

>>7184100
Nixon was a liberal Republican and a corporatist. Fuck him. Democrats right now are just following his footsteps in managed care.

What we need now is the market to get back into health care, not more management and bureaucracy.

>>7184138
You guys think the older generation are stupid but they aren't

And they're sick of seeing their grandkids being put in debt hundreds of thousands of dollars before they can even get a fucking job and that's where we're at, every American owes 100,000 some odd dollars towards the national debt, before they even have a job

>>7184127
It is the only fucking video I could find that had the Nixon tape on youtube. I don't give a fuck about Sicko but, that tape is real and it shows republicans being republicans.

>>7184148
Yea except Nixon took benefits away to give himself and the corporations money.

Obama wants to give benefits while giving money to them.

Ever notice that when Obama shows up to support something it fails? NJ, MA, VA, The Olympics, etc.

>>7184138

This might be jumping the gun into stupid bullshit, but this whole divide over healthcare is starting to look like slavery. One side has a plan but doesn't know how to accomplish its goals, the other is just bitching and moaning about freedom even though they are being retarded.

I swear to god this country is going to be in a civil war in 20 years, nobody in our fucking government knows how to get anything done. If the idiots in congress don't kill each other I guarantee the people in this country will.

>>7184138
I piss on churches and I still vote Republican because I like being able to afford things.

>>7184138
The great thing is there are still guns in this country and if ever something happens such as a Country wide christian uprising ...that will be the day I beat every high score combined.

>>7184167

Sad part, Nixon was the last true republican in government.

Seriously, even a corrupt asshole like Nixon was less corrupt then 90% of the senators in congress today.

Not only has Brown won, but he is winning by like 5%

>>7184138
It's funny because in Saudi Arabia during the 70's, the House of Saud could barely hold onto its monarchy and appealed to fundamentalist Wahabbi Islam, "firing up the base" for support in order to gain legitimacy in government.

Then shit got real in '95 with the Khobar Towers bombing and 9/11...
lol.

GOOD JOB, RETARDS!

>>7184237
last true Republican president was JFK imo

Liberals still think guns are the EVIL. Give me a fucking break. Also I think there are plenty of conservatives who aren't religious.

>>7184201

Wow,

Your hard core man!

>>7184047
New Jersey is only democratic because of social issues, the state is pretty moderate fiscally.

Massachusetts though is a through-and-through liberal state and a republican win there really does say a lot.

>>7184033
The point was six years ago people on the left, and this includes in the government, were playing on fear of Government increase in control and loss of freedom and ran on that for some time.

>>7184242
I honestly didn't expect him to wn, but I thought if he did, it'd be by like .5% or something

this is beyond hilarious.

>>7184201
Fuck yeah, me too. We aren't alone either. I know a lot of conservatives that aren't religious in the slightest.

>>7184192
Honestly, the country could need a little bit of a refresh, of course I'd prefer it'd be non-violent.

>>7184262
I'm a liberal, and I LOVE guns...and I'm glad Scott Brown won.

ZOMG WHERE'S YOUR GOD NOW?

>>7184263
nah dude I just like pissing outside. I'm not big on toilets. until I have to shit.

Well thats it I guess, americans would do anything the tv tells them too.

I guess expecting them to be able to crawl up from being seen as subhuman after the bush years is too much. Kinda like expecting a monkey to wipe its ass.

>>7184262
Yeah, sure there are. Brown is a tea party man. I hope you realize this. There will be more of his type taking an uprising in the United States Congress. You think things are bad now with religion, prepare to see some completely ignorant shit come out of D.C. If you think I am joking, wait until these fuckers start doing shit and there is no one to tell them no.

>>7184270

I think it just says that people are stupid and eat up propaganda like cookies.

When it comes down to it, the republicans really don't have any logical platform. Their "platform" is just to bitch and moan and put the government into a deadlock. They did it again, and now people are pissed off.

All they are good for is pissing people off, it is the only way they ever win elections.

>>7184305
>>I AM TOTALLY UNAWARE OF ANYTHING!

>>7184262
like this guy said right here >>7184290 liberals love guns once they actually shoot them

Huh. I'm from Mass and I didn't vote today. Probably should have gotten off 4chan for a little bit.

>>7184290
No you're not. You're a libertarian.

>>7184201
this. im an atheist republican. why? cause quite frankly i dont give two shits about most social issues

Lol you stupid kids and your Obama

OH GOD WE LOST IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD THIS COUNTRY IS SO STUPID AAARRRRRGGGHHHHHH!

lol liberals

I'm joining the military if there is actually a serious Christan uprising.
And there will be, I suggest you all do the same when they start their redshirt bullshit I have been hearing about in Texas.

>>7184282
70% of liberals are religious and 80% of conservatives are, or something like that.

Vocal extremists on both sides make it seem like the left is completely atheist and the right is completely christian crazy.

>>7184325
Um who gives a fuck what voters think? Doesn't change the fact Obama and all the other political morons voted for a idiot who wants to ban handguns. If he was in charge and change the democrats on issue it would be different but that isn't the case.

>>7184282
dude hi fucking five

>>7184270
can I get a citation on that? New Jersey has the highest fucking property taxes in the nation. it's not by a little, either. it's in its own fucking league.

well, i hope it makes a difference...

oh..wait...

There is no use arguing about politics anymore. Hasn't been a point in it for a long time now. This country was bought and sold a long time ago. Republicans, I admit, are the best at getting what they want out of the political system. I mean look a Bush. He was able to secure himself millions if not billions in oil simply by staging a fake terrorist attack then invading a country. The corporations with the money have much more control than a congress. A few cleverly placed bribes and you can either get a bill passed or stop a bill from getting passed.

The only thing that scares the interests that run this country are intelligent people. People like JFK. Intelligent people who can see through the lies and deception. Not a few people...a country of people who are so smart they can see the bullshit. However, this country will NEVER be collectively intelligent enough to take over.

>>7184286

I want it violent.

I want every senator and every lobbyist publicly executed for treason.

I am sick of this bullshit, our government sold itself. It can hardly be called a government anymore, it is a fucking corporation. It exists to make money for a bunch of wall street bankers. Don't believe me? Go look up the people who run the treasury department. All of them have connections to some sort of bank.

In the inevitable event that the shit hits the fan and people start actually using the right to bear arms, I will feel no sympathy.

I await your court order, Mr.FBI.

I'm glad he won, at least preventing Democrats from shoving a bloated, ineffective healthcare reform bill down our throats. Fuck them in the ass.

>>7184373
You realize that most of the military recruits are southern christians, right?

>>7184376
Bullshit statistics
>>7184290
Liberal doesn't equal democrat. And if you are a 'democrat' then you should reconsider because guns ban is fucking ridiculous. I'm talking about the one in washington dc.

>>7184373

Same. I'd love to kill some buck toothed Christfags.

>>7184427
Those fuckers commit treason against the United States, and they will know the horrors of old school military executions.

>>7184405
You really have fallen for the mythology that JFK was some kind of crusading liberal threat to the man haven't you? You know he implemented what I believe to be the biggest tax cuts ever right?

>>7184415
>implying you have any idea what the final (or current) healthcare bill is about

A country full of people who vote based on the same irrational emotions they apply to a football game will never fully be able to free themselves from the grips of men with real power behind the scenes.

Cheers!

Sure is liberals trying to act tough in here.

>>7184335
haha I love you dude. I'm not trolling, you're actually taking this quite well.

>>7184342
no he's just a liberal that likes guns. it's just one issue dude.

>>7184347
>>7184282
>>7184201
hell yeah. I DO care about social issues, but I figure the super liberal states will legalize gay marriage n shit, and eventually the rest of the country will catch up. but having out economy cut down from underneath us puts some people in serious hardship.

>>7184455

>implying you have read the 1,000+ page healthcare bill and know any better

>>7184413
If a violent revolution does happen, you can count on me to rush to D.C and make sure Ron Paul isn't hurt in all the mess.

>>7184468

>Implying American conservatives are not liberals

The tears of lib-faggots are delicious...

Liberal democrat here.

Brown winning is a good thing. The healthcare bills sitting in congress right now are just industry handouts.

We'll try again for real reform next time a libdem is president. Could take up to 24 years, though.

People in Massachusetts didn't vote to KILL HEALTH CARE.

They voted to wake Obama the fuck up!

Do
Something
About
Unemployment
You
Fucking
Retard.

>>7184483

Ron Paul will have had the brains to join us before hand.

>>7184397
don't have a citation, but I lived there for a while.

Our taxes are really high because our inner cities are pretty much the worst shitholes in America (I'd feel safer walking down the streets of Compton with 300 bucks in my waller than Camden), and the kids there unexpectedly do terrible at school. So the local courts decided they needed to get state financing because they were so terrible it was illegal, and kept saying that to the point where now we're paying over 15k/student in state taxes for those schools. they are still shit. and our taxes are really high.

Pretty hard to spin this one libs. You really fucked up this time.

>>7184506
More like his supporters kidnap him before he leaves Texas

MARY JO KOPECHNE SAYS HI.

Oh the irony!

>>7184488
*blink*
a....decent and well spoken person on r9k? and a liberal democrat at that? props to you sure.

tbh you'll probably get another chance in like 12 or 16 years or so. Clinton tried this is like what, 93?

Losing a senate seat in Massachussets is completely understandable.

Massachussets has had a form of universal health care that was implemented by Democrats. Due to bad planning and some dumb luck the universal health care system in massachussets did nothing but drive up premiums... nothing changed. Now most of the voting public is heavily against universal health care for the US. The republican candidate ran off of a platform where his main issue was to vote no for universal health care in the senate. Everyone, including the Democrats in Massachussets would like to see the health care bill shot down... and that was their only avenue to implement that kind of change.

They may be an overwhelmingly blue state, but party registration had little to do with this vote. The whole vote was the state of Massachussets attempting to stop what they saw as a drain on their pocketbooks

>>7184508
huh. the only people I've met from NJ have been fiscal conservatives as well, but I figured it was just an outlier.

I went to Camden once. yeah. never again.

and I guess I can see a fiscal conservative backlash once people realized how bad the taxes are

ITT: Democrats mad.

Massfag here. Kennedy's seat going to a Republican is going to do absolutely nothing to the massive majority the dems have in congress. The dems still won't pass a fucking thing and the republicans will keep dragging their knuckles and trying to start the next red scare.

This election doesn't change anything.

>>7184581
well, yeah. if they saw how bad it was there, I can't imagine how they'd feel about the fucking federal government running it.

I wonder'd why states like California and Illinois and Rhode Island don't adopt UHC but then I remembered that unlike Massachusetts, they're all fucking broke, and they -know- it'd bring the house of cards down.

Massachusetts must be filled with racists, homophobes, and tea-baggers.

>>7184639
...yes it does. a single senate seat is HUGE, especially since its the 41st Republican seat

Dems picked a fucking horrible candidate in the primary.

*sigh*

/sad to be a MA-fag

Better get used to it libbies.

ITT: Republicans who show how truly stupid they are.

>Lose a Senate seat
>Healthcare bill HAS ALREADY PASSED THE SENATE
>Keep saying that the loss of a Senate seat will defeat healthcare.

I thought most religionbot republicans were as intelligent as a African Tribal Shaman but I had no idea they were as intelligent as a potato.

GLENN BECK 2012

fuck yeah. my basement is full of guns. i am ready to stage a stand. i live in kentucky it will be an epic stand for against the redshirts. i shall make them appreciate the irony.

it's going to be a rough year

>>7184690
There is no way the House is going to pass the shitty Senate bill.

>>7184690
I thought the house bill was already through and they're still pending on the senate one...

>>7184690
>Implying that healthcare bill will be passed.

Hey smartguy! That bill has yet to be reconciled with the house! That means once the house and senate actually agree on a FINAL bill, they have to vote again.

Goddamn, you're a fucking moron.

>>7184690
health care bill already passed the House too you dumbfuck, it doesn't matter

They have two options, pass the Senate bill in the House which will not happen now and if it did would just destroy them even harder in the next two elections and cause Obama to lose re election or try for reconciliation which won't work because they can't break the filibuster

No matter how you cut it, Dems are done. They will not pass this bill. Just...grow a brain moran, you really don't know how politics works in this country

I know nothing about American politics (Britfag) but even I'm surprised about this.

So....now what?

>>7184713
Sure buddy. You and your fox news constituents were saying the exact same thing about the Senate bill. Enjoy your IQ slightly below the average of Zimbabwe.

Could someone shop a picture of Jimmy Carter in black face and caption it "OBAMA"?

>>7184690
in this post: liberal reveals how truly stupid he is

there's still the reconciliation and voting on the new bill

The two party system is shit, a giant excuse for corporations to run domestic policy while the CIA directs foreign policy. The tail has been wagging the dog in government for a while now.

I listened to MLK speeches on Democracy Now yesterday and it made me realize that the military-industrial complex is not a figure of speech but the real engine of American society. However, it is the consent of the people of America that has allowed this to happen.

On the bright side, nothing in this world is solid and eternal, everything changes in time. No matter how pathetic and backwards governments act, time and change will wipe them from the earth in time. Germany did not exist 200 years ago, the US may not exist in 200 years.

tl:dr; Democrats lose to continue the farce, US politics is a shell game

I bet it sucks to be a democrat senator or congressman from a conservative state right about now.

Goddammit. I used to have faith in my state of Massachusetts, but apparently we're not free from fucktards either. It's not my fault, I fucking voted for Coakley.

>>7184751
Man, I want whatever the fuck you're smoking. It must be great to be completely out of touch with reality.

>>7184751
that was before Massachusetts elected a repo based, essentially, entirely on this bill.

any dem that voted for that shit is either shitting their pants right now or not paying attention

>>7184763
over 9000 seconds in paint

>>7184748

Shut the fuck up.

In fact, all Non-American's get the fuck out of the thread. You people have proven time and time again that you have virtually no understanding of how this country works.

This is our time to bitch at each other, get lost.

>>7184778
yknow, it's posts like these that make me think that r9k is just a bunch of hipster stoners sitting in a circle passing a laptop around

but theads like these (lol Mass) remind me that it isnt.

>>7184853

The two party system really is bullshit though, and the divide it creates is destroying this country.

The democratic party is imploding way faster than I thought it would.

>>7184751
No buddy, the House is not going to pass the Senate bill because there's no way House Dems are going to pass such a watered down, piece of shit bill.

Jesus Christ, I'm going to be in my fucking thirties by the time there's another attempt at health care reform.

Demofails. Every one of them.

>>7184905
No, you're going to be in your 50s actually

It'll be two decades before anyone is stupid enough to try this shit again, if not three

>>7184731
>>7184735
>>7184713

>Create thread to troll democrats
>Get mad in your own thread when facts are pointed out

How the fuck do these republicans manage to stay so fucking stupid in this country? I have come to the conclusion that every republican was home-schooled using the bible and a small collection of "For dummies" books.

Remember when you losers said the Republican Party is dead? XD

>>7184887
That bill is shit upon shit but in all honesty, if dems want anything at all to pass under their name and try to call all the time wasted not a complete loss, they would have to vote for that trash. Any other plan is dead in the water

>>7184947

Fucking a corpse doesn't bring it back to life, faggot.

>>7184945
>didn't create thread
>not angry how can I be angry when we just shut Obama the fuck down?

>Just think you're mentally retarded

The absolute best part of all this is that it's the Democrats' fault.

I'm an Independent, and it kinda bugged me the Democrats were trying to rig the post-2004 election so that Mitt Romney couldn't appoint a successor like it's outlined in the State Constitution. Well, guess what? You just completely fucked yourselves.

Don't try to game the system, douches.

Scott Brown only won because he's a sexy bastard, and no other reason.

PEOPLE'S SEAT! PEOPLE'S SEAT! PEOPLE'S SEAT! PEOPLE'S SEAT! PEOPLE'S SEAT! PEOPLE'S SEAT! PEOPLE'S SEAT! PEOPLE'S SEAT! PEOPLE'S SEAT! PEOPLE'S SEAT! PEOPLE'S SEAT! PEOPLE'S SEAT! PEOPLE'S SEAT! PEOPLE'S SEAT! PEOPLE'S SEAT! PEOPLE'S SEAT! PEOPLE'S SEAT! PEOPLE'S SEAT! PEOPLE'S SEAT!

>Hey, let's change the rules. Wouldn't want Romney to appoint a republican if John Kerry is elected.

Way to blow libs.

>>7184748
Basically, every major policy agenda the Democrats had that's left of center is dead.

With 41 votes in the Senate, Republicans can deny quorum and extend debate forever on any bill and kill any amendment to a bill. This won't be the case on bills that a compromise can be reached on, but dividing legislation like the current health care reform bill will never pass now. It's politically toxic now to any Democrat who represents a conservative constituency to vote with the leadership now on the big issues, which includes the same health plan.

This election has basically changed the scope of our political landscape.

Are you hearing this shit? Republicans are fucking scum.

>>7184947
It is, the teaparty is rising from its ashes.

Prepare for bucktooth southern fundies everywhere

>>7184987
this. if Romney had appointed a fucking Republican senator in Mass it would have looked bad, but this...THIS. oh man.

lol.

>>7184945
if you read up earlier in this thread, there are quite a few non-religious Republicans

God she is an UGLY BITCH. That's why she lost.

>>7185034
CHRISTIAN NATIONALIST PARTY IN 2016.

DON'T LET A GODLESS FAGGOT LEAD THIS GREAT NATION

VOTE HUCKABEE.

>>7184987
I consider myself left and I agree. Democrats fuck themselves by being spineless and they fucked themselves by doing that shady shit just to spite Romney just in case he won. Guess what you demfags, the impossible just happened, a republican won the seat because you are shady, self-serving, and entitled bitches. Cockely deserves to lose because she always she would just win

I see libs are falling back on their "fundie redneck" boogeyman.

She was a horrible candidate who ran a horrible campaign because she thought this would be a piece of cake.

This woman turned a 30 point poll lead a month ago to a 5 point loss on election day, she's now politically dead.

>>7185076

I am totally OK with this. I would love seeing a political party bear that name.

>>7185086
so I guess Massachusetts is full of fundie rednecks all of a sudden?

:S

1) It would have increased our already unbearable overspending which has put the US into unrecoverable debt.
2) It did nothing to address tort reform, because the trial lawyers own the Democratic party and the people know it.
3) It did nothing to address the fact that Americans will continue to pay higher costs for good drugs than other countries because they have lower prices by law. Thus Americans pick up 90% of the R&D, and the companies forced to shrug and sell their drugs for $10 in France where they cost $120 here (i.e., we pay for the French too- but the costs have already come out, and the companies might as well sell there too).
4) The special interests in the bill were a sham. Nebraska no longer pays for medicare in order to buy their senator. Louisiana got $100 million in random money to buy their senator. The have a tax on "cadillac" health care plan (wtf is that supposed to mean? That your insurance covers *even more* drugs? Isn't that what the Dems want automatically covered in health care? As if people would still buy insurance after the gov already covers everything!), but they exempted the unions in a bald faced political maneuver. There were numerous other examples.
5) People see through the bullshit of "unity" being a moniker for left-wing change. The libs complain the conservatives won't budge: of course they won't, unity is a *two-way* street, and the libs are saying "take it exactly this like or else you're not being bipartisan".

The reason the Democrats aren't able to accomplish anything is because of their stupid fifty state strategy. Democrats love to brag how it gets Democrats elected in Republican states, but what's the fucking point if they refuse to vote with their party on such a huge issue like health-care?

Democrats either need to ditch the fifty-state strategy or take lessons from the Republicans and institute some actual party discipline.

I live in Massachusetts and me, my friends, and I have all voted for Coakley.

I don't what the FUCK happened.

>>7185136
>implying any American actually knows what's involved in this healthcare bill

>>7185136
oops almost forgot to mention
6) Telling flat-faced lies in your campaign ("I will televise this on C-SPAN") then reneging simply for political expediency: it hurts your image as the party of openness and reform.

>>7185154
You voted twice?

>>7185176
I would have if I could.

Coakley went down like Ted Kennedy's car.

>>7185154
Your parents voted for Brown, that's what happened. they are much less vocal, but they go to the polls in huge numbers.

>The have a tax on "cadillac" health care plans

This is actually the only good idea to come from the senate bill. Numerous economists have said that taxing high-cost insurance plans would help to lower health-care costs

>>7185167
I really don't care about the C-Span bullshit. The only people who do care are those looking for any excuse to bash him. It's not like a large part of his campaign was based on it. Nobody voted for him simply because he made that stupid promise.

>>7185208
>>7185196
two best posts in this thread.

I actually spit my drink over my keyboard at the first one :\

Wow, it wasn't even all that close.

>>7185208
My mother voted for Coakely, and my father said "fuck it, voting doesn't actually matter, and it doesn't matter who wins anyway, we're still going to get ass raped."

Thank you. I'm living all this liberal crying.

>>7184662
I lol'd
teabaggerblox

>>7185243

This. They mainly voted for him because he wasn't a shit tier candidate. Coakley never showed that she cared about people...REAL people. That's why Teddy got elected over and over again. No matter what one thought of his policies, people knew that he gave a shit about them. Coakley was a dead fish and it just goes to show that not even Massachusetts can be stereotyped.

Anybody else find it hilarious that all the left-ish news channels wont even talk about this yet? They are still jabbering about hati.

>>7185257
exactly, your friends all voted for Coakley, but 1 or 2 of their parents voted for Brown.

My question is: Will the Democrats finally use the Nuclear Option?

For years during the Bush Presidency, the Republicans used the fear of the nuke to keep the legislative system moving. There would be extremely long term effects to doing this, but is health care worth it? Would 50 Senators and howevermany Reps vote for it? Can't say for sure.

Basically, the nuclear option is Congress saying that the filibuster is un-Constitutional. This only takes a simple majority to resolve, not the super-majority. The fallout from doing this would be ENORMOUS though. Hence, the name.

Fuck, I always hate when the right gets anything.

Listen, Repugs. I know you hate the healthcare bill. I hate it too. However, YOU hate it because its GOVMENT and SPENDING and SOCIALISM and OBAMA. I hate it because it is ineffective.

The problem is, with a republican majority is there will be NO health care reform at all. It is going to be even WORSE if the bill is defeated. I don't fucking care about parties. I care about results. I want a fucking single-payer health care system like we have a single-payer military. jesus fucking christ...

>>7185321
I still doubt it. I know the parents of my friends are also democratic liberals. There are a LOT of aging hippies in Massachusetts. Fuck, we got gay marriage legalized. The only reason anyone voted for Brown was because they're against abortion, and therefore against the bill.
But what's really fucking strange is that the health care system in Massachusetts is universal and much more progressive than the national bill, PLUS it covers abortion costs, yet we're apparently against health care reform.

>>7185351

I don't believe that Obama will want it that bad. Sometimes, I swear he wants a repeat of the Clinton years where he became a lot more liked after the GOP took over control of Congress.

>>7185403
>Implying anyone from either side of the aisle gives a fuck what you (or their constituents want).

>>7185403
Yeah the current bill sucks nuts. And I, as a rich person (technically) was going to have to pay for it.
There has to be a better way. Fuck going half assed.

i voted for brown because i think health care is pretty cool already and i would rather see a metlife blimp at the sox game than treat an impoverished man's cancer

>>7185408
It's because they're not voting against abortion. They're voting against an ineffective bill which would hand out billions of dollars to the healthcare industry while not providing the necessary benefits to the average American.

>>7185403
The Republicans will probably pass tort reform and a law that allows people to buy health insurance across state lines. Nothing beyond that however.

Good question my good man, the answer? They were tired of the crap proposed by the fascist Barak Insane Obama and his puppets in Congress. That's why, I say anarchy in Congress, go Massachusetts!!!!

Pic is the flag of anarcho-capitalism, which sounds suspiciously like libertarianism to me, but whatever

>>7185478
That alone is a great start though. What will end up happening will be that most states will probably pass some sort of healthcare reform to take advantage of the situation.

>>7185441

I'm technically a "rich person" too, but if you look at how "rich people" in Sweden pay, they get huge benefits same as anyone. There are certain things like health care that those governments decide are important, and so everyone pays a little and it gets done. In the US, its military, subsidies for big pharma, big agribusiness, and more. In sweden, its education, health care etc...

Fuck it. Rich people in the US (who are upper middle class, not the kind who have 7 figures yearly income or assets), still pay a fuckton of taxes but they get NO benefit. Wouldn't you rather benefit, and make the TRULY RICH pay their fair share instead of dodging it and paying NOTHING?

>>7185408
what? I didn't even know Brown was against abortions. my parents didnt mention it, my friends didnt mention it, and my friends parents didnt mention it. we all voted Brown because fuck Democrats

>>7185403
no I hate the bill because its bad. I want a Republican majority so that we can actually get at least one of their reform bills through

>>7185421
yeah. I'm starting to think this too.

>>7185478

Tort reform is fine, but buying healthcare across state lines? From the same 5 companies that operate everywhere? That's like being able to buy "Near Shit" and "Far SHit" its still SHIT.

>GOVMENT and SPENDING and SOCIALISM and OBAMA.
>ineffective.
At least 2 if not 3 or 4 of the above, are, in practice synonyms for ineffective.

>>7185408
We don't want to pay for the rest of the country. We pay fr our own shit. The states should handle this shit themselves.

>>7185517
>I want a Republican majority so that we can actually get at least one of their reform bills through
>Republicans
>reform things
What are they going to do besides cut taxes? What have they done in the past 50 years besides that?

>>7185536
Forgive my ignorance, but why cant they impose limits on the insurance companies?

>>7185536
Allowing people to buy across state lines will probably break lots of monopolies, like in Georgia (or one of those southern states) which only has 1 health care company.

There are millions of Americans who are happy with their healthcare though smaller providers but end up getting screwed if/when they move to a different state.

The republicans are the status quot incarnate, they are not trying to reform anything you ignorant moron.

>>7185557
Invent the EPA.

>>7185541

Oh go to hell. You need only look to other countries, specifically Japans new Democratic party (ie. More liberal than the liberal dems!) and Scandinavia to see effective governments that have excellent plans that would be called socialism in this country.

The only reason our government is ineffective and inefficient is because the fucking handlers who own this plutocracy PAY to make it that way. For instance, the whole poisonous health insurance industry would be out of a job if we went to single payer, the very same way we pay the military, and the way the military pays for THEIR healthcare (ie. Soldier with Tricare goes to doctor > Doctor Bills Tricare > Doctor Gets Paid from Tricare) . That is it. Our government has been engineered to be ineffective, largely by Republicans who are on a shorter corporate leash than democrats. Granted, both are bad but repugs are wose.

>>7185610
fuckmonkey i was gonna say that

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPA
>Nixon administration's executive order

>>7185594

They could, but they won't, because OMG SOCIALISM. Our country won't even negotiate with drug companies like others do. Drugs that cost $25 in Japan cost $250 here. Not to mention fucking drug patents.

SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE FOR ALL LEGAL AMERICAN CITIZENS NOW!

>>7185611
Dems and repubs are equal except that the dems just pretend they care about poor people, thats their angle.

Masshole here. There are many secret Republicans in our state, especially in the west. It's a sad sad truth.

Fucking shit. We need to RAISE taxes, not cut them! We have shit to pay for!

>>7185657

True, but they actually DO want to at least legalize marijuana, let gays marry (even if just for financial reasons) and there are a couple of decent guys that are in the party like Kucinich who really don't belong there, but couldn't get elected if they weren't part one of the two big parties.

Take that you fucking islamic nigger. Happy 1 year.

>>7185711
>doesn't actually pay taxes

>>7185717
but they don't want to legalize marijuana. just some of them. hell even Obama doesn't.

>>7185646
I think I represent the majority of repubtards when I say I dont mind socialist elements, but that I just do not want direct government ownership of things. I want as much stuff to remain in the private sector as is comfortable.